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Paul Kelly
In the aftermath of the Potato Famine in Ireland, a number of the Irish immigrants who came to Scotland in the 1840s and 1850s changed their surnames and religion in order to conceal their roots and avoid discrimination. In documented cases, Sweeney was changed to Swan, O'Carroll to Charles, O'Donnell to Dodds. The Irish immigrants were viewed by the locals as undesirable, ignorant and superstitious (ie poor, uneducated and Catholic). The fact that the Irish immigrants were prepared to work for lower wages than the indigenous Scots did not help matters.
The Irish immigrants who came to Scotland from the 1860s onwards rarely changed their religion, but in many cases their surnames were recorded incorrectly by Scottish officials.
Most of the 19th century Irish immigrants to Scotland were illiterate. Several Irish surnames were often recorded as Scottish surnames. For example, the Irish surname of McCormack was often recorded in the Scottish form of McCormick. Other examples were McFadden(Irish) being recorded as McFadyen(Scottish), McLaughlin(Irish) as McLachlan(Scottish), McDonnell(Irish) as McDonald(Scottish), McCullough(I) as McCulloch(S), Duffy(Irish) as Duff(Scottish), Byrne(Irish) as Burns(Scottish).
Even some Irish surnames which had no Scottish equivalent were recorded in a Scottish manner (ie given a Scottish spelling).
For example, Gallagher was usually recorded as Gallacher,
Dougherty as Docherty.
The following Irish surnames are commonly found in Scotland, particularly in the Glasgow area:
Kelly, Docherty, Gallacher, Boyle, Coyle, Murphy, Reilly, Connor, Connolly, Donnelly, Sweeney, Rafferty, Lafferty, Devine, Devlin, Bonar, Byrne, Quinn, Molloy, Kane, Lynch, Daly, Dougan, Brennan, Dempsey, Duffy, Friel, Gillan, Healy, Ward, Sullivan, Meehan, Rooney, Mulligan, Flanagan, Carrigan, Flynn, Curran, Keenan, Scanlon, Gormley, O'Donnell, O'Neill, O'Brien, McLaughlin, McVeigh, McManus, McFadden, McCluskey, McCormick, McCabe, McCann, McGuire, McGinty, McGlinchey, McGinness, McNulty, McDaid, McBride, McMenamin, McGonigle, McMonagle, McGoldrick, McGinley, McGlynn, McFall, McGrath, McSorley, McAteer, McCarthy, McCafferty, McDonagh, McGurk, McGee, McInally, McMahon, McDermott, McMullan, McAvoy, McAuley, McCulloch, McNamee, McKenna, McShane, McGowan.
I hope I have not missed out your surname.

The 8 most common Irish surnames in Scotland, in descending order, are : Kelly, Murphy, Docherty, Boyle, Reilly, Gallacher, McLaughlin, O'Donnell.
Kelly, Murphy, Docherty, Boyle and Reilly are among the top 100 most common surnames in Scotland, with Kelly the highest at position 38.

The fact that most of the Irish immigrants to Scotland came from the northern counties of Ireland is reflected by the above surnames. Surnames like Kelly, Docherty, Boyle, Gallacher, McLaughlin, McMenamin are very common in northern and western Ulster (Donegal, Derry, Tyrone, etc). Surnames like Reilly, Murphy, McGuire, McManus, McKenna, McShane are very common in southern and eastern Ulster (Fermanagh, Monaghan, Armagh, etc).
stratson
Am afraid you did miss out mine,,,MURRAY. rolleyes.gif
rosie-k
another irish name, shawnessy, or O'shaughnessy.
Paul Kelly
Hi Rosie and Stratson.

The list of Irish surnames commonly found in Scotland which I gave the other day is far from exhaustive. There are many others such as
Conroy, Cairney (Kearney), Cairns (Kearns), Brogan, Scullion, Mulhearn, Mulgrew, Mulholland, Callaghan, Donnachy, Conaghan, Coll, Fallon, Sharkey, Toner, Moan, Heaney, Bradley, Slaven, Hegarty, Farrell, Fitzpatrick, McGuigan, McConville, McCaig, McGarry, McGlennon, McKeown, McQuade, McColgan, McRory (to name just a few more!).

I should clarify that I have been refering only to Catholic Irish immigrants. As I have previously mentioned, most of the Irish immigrants to Scotland were from the northern counties of Ireland. A significant minority of these immigrants - around 25% - were in fact Protestants. The Protestant Irish - unlike their Catholic counterparts - were quickly assimilated into Scottish society. Most of the Protestant Irish immigrants had Scottish surnames. (They were largely descendants of the Scottish Plantation of Ulster in the early 1600s.) Moreover they shared the same religion as the native Scots - Presbyterianism.

I recently came across 2 terms in the Internet encyclopedia Wikipedia while browsing on the net.

Scots-Irish : Northern Irish Protestants of mainly Scottish descent

Irish-Scots : Scots of mainly Catholic Irish descent

I have heard of the Scots-Irish before, but it is my first time to come across the term 'Irish-Scots'
Paul Kelly
It has been well documented that Catholic Irish immigrants to Scotland and their descendants used to experience a lot of discrimination at the hands of the native Scots. Since the end of the 2nd World War this overt discrimination has largely disappeared. Personally, I see little sign of it these days whenever I visit Glasgow. There is now a large Catholic middle class, and Catholics can be found in every walk of life. (Only a few generations ago it was unheard of for Catholics to be employed in Scottish banking as well as several other establishment professions.) Years ago - when these things mattered - one way of figuring out a person's religion was to ask them which school they attended or even just their surname. It was widely assumed that an Irish surname indicated you were a Catholic, a Scottish surname that you were a Protestant. This of course could be very misleading.

Since the early days of Irish immigration to Glasgow, there had always been mixed marriages (Protestant and Catholic intermarriages). They were few in number at first. However, by the 1920s, around a quarter of all marriages conducted in Glasgow's Catholic churches were mixed marriages. By the 1950s it was around a third. By the 1980s it was around a half. The children of these mixed marriages were nearly always raised as Catholics. Due to the large number of mixed marriages over the past 100 or so years, a Catholic in Glasgow today is just as likely to have a Scottish surname as an Irish surname.

Recently I was reading an article about the British Cabinet Minister, John Reid, the MP for Airdrie and the current Secretary of State for Home Affairs in Tony Blair's government. Reid was born in Bellshill in 1947 and grew up in the small coal mining village of Cardowan, near Stepps, North Lanarkshire. He was raised a Catholic. While Reid's parents were Catholic, his grandparents were of mixed denomination. For example, his paternal grandfather was a Scottish Presbyterian and his paternal grandmother was an Irish Catholic. Reid's family history is a good illustration of how common mixed marriages have been in the Greater Glasgow area since the end of the 1st World War. When Reid left St Patrick's RC High School, Coatbridge in the mid 1960s he noticed that many of his schoolmates with Irish surnames had much more difficulty finding employment than those with Scottish surnames (like him!).

That brings me back to the thorny issue of government funded Catholic schools. Personally I think Catholic schools have encouraged people to discriminate against Catholics - Catholics deliberately separating themselves from the rest of society. When I was doing my teacher training practice in Easterhouse in February/March 1995 I experienced the ludicrous situation of 2 half-empty secondary schools less than a stones throw away from each other - Lochend (non-denominational and the school at which I was teaching) and St Leonard's (Catholic). A student could literally call over the fence to his/her friend at the other school. Each school had capacity for about 1000 students but each had a roll of around 400. (I understand that St Leonard's has since closed but I am not sure which school its students then went to!)

Following the Reformation in the late 1500s, Catholicism was virtually obliterated from Scotland. In the 1700s there were literally no Catholics in the Scottish Lowlands and only a few pockets of Catholics in remote parts of the Scottish Highlands in places such as Arisaig, Mallaig, South Uist and Barra.

According to the 2001 Scottish census, around 1 in 6 of the Scottish population is Catholic. In Edinburgh it is around 1 in 8. In Dundee it is around 1 in 5. In Glasgow it is around 1 in 3. In the Coatbridge/Bellshill area of North Lanarkshire it is around 1 in 2. These figures alone illustrate the impact that Irish immigration has had on modern Scottish society.
Riddrieperson
QUOTE (Paul Kelly @ 29th Jul 2006, 04:50 PM)
I hope I have not missed out your surname.

Aye ye did.Miss out my surname that is.RYAN. from the Ryan clan in Killalla,County Mayo. biggrin.gif
Heather
Missed mine out too. ' Curran ' from County Waterford.
Dexter St. Clair
QUOTE
(I understand that St Leonard's has since closed but I am not sure which school its students then went to!)
St. Andrew's Secondary which is now the Top state school in Scotland and might give some reason as to why Catholic tax payers continue to choose Catholic schools when given the choice.

QUOTE
Isobel
Can you tell me anything about my maiden name..
McCloskey.......NOT McCluskey
RonD
I din't find anything about the meaning of the name but it soriginally from Derry and was connected to the larger clan O'Cahan (Kane)
stratson
rdem, Thank you for latest info. re. Irish names .
During my geneology research discovered my paternal G/G/mothers maiden name was Kane.
On discussing this last year in Gortin with a third cousin he informed me she was really named O'Kane.
hudggy
You missed Kerrigan but as you put down Carrigan I do mind too much as that is my name. As you say a lot of people changed their names my family for some reason not known to me change in the 1901 census from Kerrigan to Carrigan so from then on we were all registered as Carrigan. Also you mention not being able to get work I left school in1958 and was asked by nearly every firm I applied to which school I attended I got a few knock backs even the City Bakeries which was my first job had only started to take on Catholics when I got my start.

Hudgy
Paul Kelly
Hi Dexter.

I am very much in favour of parental choice when it comes to education as long as it is economically viable. In most cases, parents know what is best for their children. Nevertheless, educating children of different religions at separate schools from the ages of 5 to 18 has obviously not helped in the alleviation of sectarianism in Glasgow and more especially in Northern Ireland.

By the way, congratulations to St Andrew's. It is great to know that the best state school in Scotland is found in the east end of Glasgow.

Paul
Paul Kelly
If you do GOOGLE searches for

IRISH-SCOTS and CATEGORY IRISH-SCOTS

you will come across Wikipedia - the free internet encyclopedia - entries for both of the above.

Both entries make interesting reading, the latter giving a list of prominent Irish-Scots.
Paul Kelly
If you managed to do a GOOGLE search for CATEGORY IRISH-SCOTS you would have noticed that many of the prominent Irish-Scots listed are Labour Party politicians. For example, the Cabinet Minister John Reid MP, and the Speaker of the House of Commons Michael Martin MP. In fact, the Labour Party in West-Central Scotland has always enjoyed very strong support in the Irish-Scots community. Even in the 1955 General Election when the Conservative and Unionist Party won 7 of the 15 Glasgow parliamentary seats (imagine!), Glasgow's Irish-Scots community still voted overwhelmingly for the Labour Party. Most of Glasgow's Lord Provosts since the 1940s have been Irish-Scots (Patrick Dollan, Michael Kelly, Pat Lally, Peter McCann, James Shields, etc) and the Labour controlled Glasgow City Council has long been dubbed 'The Murphia'.

I should mention that the SNP's most famous supporter - actor Sean Connery - is in the list of famous Irish-Scots. A noticeable omission from the list is Dr Liam Fox MP, who narrowly missed out becoming leader of the British Conservative Party last year to David Cameron.

In the early 1900s many of the founding members of the Communist Party of Great Britain were Irish-Scots from the Glasgow area who had been brought up as Catholics. Men such as Willie Gallacher, Harry McShane, Arthur McManus, John McGovern, John McGahey and Peter Kerrigan. (Catholic Communists you might say!) Arthur McManus was in fact the 1st Chairman of the Communist Party of Great Britain (1914-1919) and when he died his ashes were taken to the Kremlin in Moscow. Some Irish-Scots socialists from the Glasgow area in the early 1900s, such as John Wheatley, Patrick Dollan and James Welsh, never joined the Communists.
RonD
My first house in Auchinairn was a scheme shaped like a horseshoe, When I lived there in the 50's the Irish names of the families were in the majority in that scheme.
Dempsey, Shields, McCann, Maguire, Laverty, Cassidy, Sally, McGraw, Rooney, Carrigan, McKinstry, Macateer, Mulherne to name a few.
Paul Kelly
I recently came across a genealogy website about the North Lanarkshire town of Coatbridge just to the east of the city of Glasgow.
In order to see it, do a GOOGLE search for

COATBRIDGE IRISH GENEALOGY PROJECT
Paul Kelly
I've often wondered what effect the large number of Irish immigrants to Glasgow has had on the Glasgow accent and the famous Glasgow Patter.

Although the Scottish terms 'Maw' and 'Paw' are commonly used in Glasgow for mum and dad, the Irish terms 'Ma' and 'Da' are also commonly used and sometimes even the affectionate Irish term 'Mammy' can be heard in Glasgow's streets.
The famous Glasgow insult for a stupid person - eejit - originates in Ireland.
In most parts of Scotland the word 'floor' is pronounced 'flair'.
In Glasgow it is pronounced 'flerr'. (Irish influence?)
Most Scottish people pronounce words such as 'top', 'drop' and 'off' as
'toap', 'droap' and 'oaff'. In Glasgow they are pronounced 'tap', 'drap' and 'aff'. (Irish influence?)
The word 'ken' as in 'Dae ye ken?' is heard all over Scotland but not in Glasgow. You don't have to travel far from the Glasgow area before you start hearing people saying 'ken'. eg Ayrshire, Stirling, Edinburgh.
In fact, 'ken' was probably once used in Glasgow but its use died out in the late 1800s. (Irish influence again?) I suspect Glaswegians considered 'ken' a word for Teuchters (rural Scots).
Glaswegians use the proper English word 'know'!
Most Scots refer to Glasgow as Glezgae.
Glaswegians, however, pronounce their home city's name with a soft 's' : Glesca.

There is an interesting website on Glasgow Patter by John Walker, from which I got some of the above ideas. To see it do a GOOGLE search for GLASGOW PATTER WALKER.

Walker writes about Lallans (the dialect of English spoken in the Lowlands of Scotland) and Ullans (the dialect of English spoken in the northern counties of Ireland which developed from the English spoken by the 17th century Lowland Scottish and Northern English Protestant Planters and the adopted English spoken by the indigenous Catholic Irish whose native tongue was Irish Gaelic.)
Since most of the Irish immigrants to Glasgow came from the northern counties of Ireland, Walker discusses how Lallans and Ullans have both influenced the way modern Glaswegians speak.

Ya eejit. Get aff the flerr!
RonD
Interesting stuff Paul..I was aware of the difference in dialect from Glasgow to other nearby areas but was glad to hear why!

I remember my older sister in law from Kirkintilloch (although from Irish ancestry, that had settled in Campsie) referred a party as a "pairty". One of those things you remember from childhood.

My great aunt from Fife (married to my great uncle Neil Bonar) was different story altogether, I used to watch her slack jawed as she spoke in the Braid Fifer accent!.
valros
Once again Paul, interesting reading. I had an Irish Dad myself.

Valros
weesue
Our family names (not mentioned) I know there are many variants of the names... Are -

Casey:- From an Irish surname which was derived from Cathasaigh meaning "descendent of Cathasaigh". The name Cathasaigh means "vigilant" in Gaelic.

Cummiskey:- Spelling variations include: Cumiskey, Comisky, Cumisky, Comiskey, MacCumiskey, MacComiskey, Cumiskie etc.
First found in Monaghan where they were anciently seated but more recently in Longford, Cavan and Westmeath.

These are the other names in my family tree:- (I don't know how many are Irish).
Carr, Cartmill, Chalmers, Clark, Conly, Connelly, Cook, Croal, Dingwall, Duffy,Gardner, Gilliland, Gordon, Hart, Holmes, Kelso, Livingston, McConnell, McKean, Marshall, Morrison, Roache, Sproul, Turbitt, Williamson and Young.

Does anyone have any interesting info to report on any of these names?
Paul Kelly
Hi Wee Sue.

Casey and Cummiskey are certainly Irish surnames as are Carr, Conly, Connelly, Croal, Duffy, Hart and Roach.
I would say most of the other surnames you have listed are of Lowland Scots origins. Of these Scots surnames, I know Holmes, Morrison, Sproul, McKean and McConnell are commonly found in Ulster, as are possibly a couple of the others.

Sue, you have a 'mix' of surnames that are probably shared by most Glaswegians.

Cheers,

Paul
RonD
Young is also well established in Ulster. but like so many names can be very much Scottish.
Rabbie
Fascinating! Noo, heers a wee place ye might enjoy taking a gander at.

Name Origins and Meanings

Kent ah hud a few droaps o Irish blood in me, but never kent wan oh my ancesters might huv been a Bishop in Ireland!
weesue
Wow Paul thanks... I kinda guessed that most of them originated in Ireland... But haven't checked them all out yet... Will look in detail soon to add info to my family tree.
Thanks rdem and Rabbie

Cheers guys
Paul Kelly
The last time I was home in Glasgow, I spent some time at the Mitchell Library looking through the 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901 Glasgow census records. I was particularly interested in those areas of Glasgow which had large numbers of Irish immigrants such as Royston (formerly Garngad), Townhead, Gorbals, Hutchesontown, Bridgeton, Calton, Cowcaddens, Garscube and Anderston. If a person had been born in Ireland, then the actual county of birth was usually not recorded. The place of birth was simply stated as Ireland. However, in some streets, the actual Irish county of birth was given (thankfully!)

In those census returns where the Irish county of birth was given, I would say that around 90% of them mentioned a county from the ancient Province of Ulster:- Antrim, Armagh, Cavan, Derry, Donegal, Down, Fermanagh, Monaghan and Tyrone. Undoubtedly, the county which appeared the most was County Donegal, followed by probably County Down. There were also a few non-Ulster counties mentioned such as Mayo, Sligo, Louth and Wexford.

I think most of the 19th century Irish immigrants to Britain from the southern counties of Ireland went to places such as Liverpool via Dublin. Most of the Irish immigrants to Britain from the northern counties of Ireland settled in the Glasgow area via Belfast and Derry. There was a famous boat that used to bring many Irish immigrants to Glasgow called the Derry Boat.
stratson
Hi Paul, am wondering if "The Derry Boat" would have passenger lists, as my g/parents came to Glasgow after marraige 1873.from Co. Tyrone. wub.gif
Paul Kelly
Stratson,

I think the Derry Boat was actually a cattle boat that used to operate between Derry and Glasgow. It would also transport some 'human' cargo! I doubt there were any passenger lists.

Paul
Paul Kelly
There was another area of Glasgow in which many of the early Irish immigrants - those that came in the immediate aftermath of the Irish Potato Famine - settled in the late 1840s and early 1850s. It was an inner city area known simply at the time as District 14.

District 14 was enclosed on the north by the Trongate, on the south by Clyde Street, on the west by Stockwell Street and on the east by the Saltmarket. It was basically the inner city area between Glasgow Cross and the River Clyde and contained places such as the Briggait - Bridgegate - and Paddy's Market.

District 14 was described by newspapers of the time as a human cesspit and it was certainly Glasgow's worst slum area in the mid to late 19th century. However, by the late 19th and early 20th centuries, it had been superseded by the more famous Glasgow Irish ghettoes - the Gorbals and the Garngad.
Paul Kelly
A number of the mid 19th century Irish immigrants to Glasgow (and Liverpool) did not spend a long time in Britain. They only used Britain as a stepping stone before moving on to the United States. For example, there is a large Docherty family in the United States, descended from Irish immigrants who passed through Scotland. These American descendants are still using the incorrect spelling - Docherty - of the Irish surname Dogherty/Dougherty that their illiterate ancestors were given when they first arrived in Scotland (from mainly Donegal.)

A few years ago, I read the introduction to a biography of the famous American actor/dancer Gene Kelly - Eugene Curran Kelly (born 1912, died 1996) - of 'Singing in the Rain' fame. The biography said Gene Kelly's (great)grandfather emigrated from Ireland (possibly Donegal) via Derry to Scotland in the mid 19th century and spent a short time working in the Dunfermline area - if I am recalling correctly - before moving on to Pittsburgh in the United States.

I mentioned in an earlier post that Kelly and Docherty are the 1st and 3rd most commonly found Irish surnames in Scotland respectively. Most of the Dochertys in Scotland originate from the Inishowen Peninsula in northeast Donegal. Many of the Kellys in Scotland originate from southeast Donegal (around Ballybofey) and west Tyrone (around Strabane).
valros
Thanks again Paul for very interesting reading

Valros smile.gif
Paul Kelly
Yesterday I mentioned under the 'Family Research' topic that the small mining village of Croy in the Kilsyth area used to be known as a 'Little Ireland' due to the origins of most of its inhabitants. The mining theme also reminded me of the Blantyre Explosion or Blantyre Disaster, the worst ever mine disaster in Scottish history.

In October 1877, 207 men and boys - 11 were actually under the age of 14 - lost their lives in an explosion at Pit No.2 in the Dixon mine at High Blantyre. Of the 233 men and boys who had gone to work that October morning at Pit No.2, only 26 survived the explosion, most of them very badly injured. Incredibly, in 1879, there was another explosion at Pit No.1 in High Blantyre, in which a further 28 men and boys died. Around half of the workforce at the High Blantyre pits were Irish and this is reflected in the surnames of many of the deceased in the 2 explosions.

The following 60 Irish surnames appeared amongst the dead at Blantyre:- Berry, Boyle, Brannigan, Brannan, Bryson (Breslin), Brown (Browne), Burns (Byrne), Cairns (Kearns), Carlin, Cox, Coyle, Cosgrove (Cosgrave), Conaghan, Crowe, Conlan, Campbell (Irish), Connelly, Dolan, Divers, Duffy, Gilmour (Irish), Gribben, Hanlon, Kavanagh (Cavanagh), Kelly, Kenny, Lynch, Lafferty, Larkin, Martin, Mullan, Murray (Irish), Moore, Murphy, Malone, Meechan, McCue (McHugh), McGowan, McFadden, McGarry, McGarvey, McLaughlin, McKelvie, McCusker, McCulloch, McGhee, McMullen, McAnulty, McGuigan, O'Brien, O'Donnell, O'Neil, Owens, Roper, Smith (Smyth), Tonner, Traynor, Vallelly, Welsh (Walsh) and Ward.
Many of these surnames appeared more than once as fathers, sons and brothers died together. For example, there were 4 Kellys who died in the large explosion of 1877.

The 19th century Irish labourers who constructed the canals, tunnels, bridges and railway lines, and who worked in the factories and mines throughout Scotland (and England) were very brave and hard working and some paid the ultimate penalty for their courage. The Irish navvies provided the sweat and muscle without which much of Scotland, as we know it, would never have been built.
RonD
We have to acknowledge the migrant agricultural labourers ( listed ag lab on reports) who came each from Ireland to bring in the harvest. There was an unfortunate incident where a number of Irish migrants were working on a farm in the Kirkintilloch area about 1931. At night the farmer used to lock them in a byre since he didn't trust hem to be wandering around at night. The horrific outcome was that a fire started in the byre and they couldn't get out and I believe all lost their lives.
Paul Kelly
Hi rdem.

I have just been reading about the 1937 Kirkintilloch barn fire on the net. The 10 young Irishmen - aged between 16 and 24 - who died in the fire all came from Achill Island in County Mayo. It was a horrific incident.

Paul.
Paul Kelly
I recently received an email about the Donegal surname Carr. The email informed me that most of the 19th century Irish Carr immigrants to Scotland had their surnames recorded incorrectly as Kerr, which of course is a Scottish surname.

As a result, a significant minority of the Kerrs in Scotland today are actually of Catholic Irish descent, particularly in the Glasgow and North Lanarkshire areas. The same thing can be said of several other Scottish surnames such as Burns, Duff, McCulloch, McCormick and others. (See my introduction to this topic.)
Paul Kelly
The other day when I was discussing the Dougherty/Dogherty/Docherty surname, I meant to add that the usual spelling of this surname today in its country of origin - Ireland - is just simply Doherty.
Riddrieperson
QUOTE (Paul Kelly @ 19th Sep 2006, 09:37 AM)
District 14 was enclosed on the north by the Trongate, on the south by Clyde Street, on the west by Stockwell Street and on the east by the Saltmarket. It was basically the inner city area between Glasgow Cross and the River Clyde and contained places such as the Briggait - Bridgegate - and Paddy's Market.



I read a book last year which mentioned district 14 and I posted an enquiry on the Glasgow Boards about it,but no one seemed to have heard of it.This is the first time I have seen anybody else mention it.It is ironic that the area to the north of district 14 was the most affluent area,Merchant City,where many of the tobacco barons had their residences.
Paul Kelly
Campbell, Murray, Morrison and Patton/Patten are Scottish surnames and there are people in Ulster today with these surnames who are descendants of 17th century Scottish Protestant Planters.

However, there were native Catholic Irish families in west Ulster - Donegal, Derry and Tyrone - who adopted these 4 surnames as the Anglicized versions of their Gaelic surnames shortly after the Plantation. Today, there are famous Catholic Irish families in Donegal and Tyrone with these surnames. In addition, some of the Catholic Campbells in Donegal are descendants of 14th century Scottish Gallowglasses. Campbell is a very common surname in County Donegal.
(See my discussion of Gallowglass families under the topic 'Are the Scots Really Irish?' in this 'Family History' forum.)

As a result, a significant minority of the Campbells, Murrays, Morrisons and Pattons in Scotland today are descendants of 19th century Catholic Irish immigrants from west Ulster, particularly in the Glasgow area.
Paul Kelly
Hi Kenny.

It is certainly true that the Merchant City and Blythswood areas were the most affluent parts of inner city Glasgow in the early to mid 19th century. There were very few Irish people staying in these areas, if any at all! Moreover, as inner city Glasgow became more and more 'swamped' by Irish immigrants, many of Glasgow's wealthier inhabitants relocated to the West End and South Side.

Paul.
Paul Kelly
Another Scottish Plantation surname that was adopted by some of the native Catholic Irish families of West Ulster was Huston/Houston, particularly in County Donegal.
Paul Kelly
3 other British Planter surnames that were adopted by some of the native Catholic Irish families of Ulster were Hughes, Woods and Rogers/Rodgers. For example, Rogers was often adopted as the Anglicised version of the Ulster Gaelic surname MacRory.

Most people in the Glasgow area today with these 3 surnames - Hughes, Rodgers and Woods - are descendants of 19th century Irish immigrants.
gardenqueen
I was born with an Irish (NI I think) name. Dad came from Belfast to Glasgow in the early forties.

My first married name was of German origin I think (possibly Swiss German) but now I am back with an Irish surname in my second marriage, it is a variant of de Burgh I believe.

GQ
Heather
GQ, the second wife of Robert the Bruce was Elizabeth de Burgh. Her father was the Earl of Ulster. Your husband should check out his ancestors. wink.gif
Paul Kelly
Another Scottish Planter surname that was adopted by some of the native Irish of West Ulster was Gillespie, particularly in County Donegal.
Paul Kelly
Many Irish Gaelic surnames were Anglicised in the years following the Plantations. In some cases the Anglicised versions were completely different from the original Gaelic forms. For example, the County Donegal surname of Crampsey (O'Craimhsighe) meaning 'bone' was usually Anglicised to Bonar or Bonner. The County Armagh surname of MacGirr (MacAnGhearr) meaning 'short' was usually Anglicised to Short or Shortt. The surnames of Crampsey and McGirr can still be found, though Bonar and Short are much more common.
buntyq
Dear Paul, I was browsing through areas of the GG I rarely read and came across your post. I went to Garnethill Convent School for three years until the war interupted my schooling and I went to look for work. When asked what school I had attended and said Garnethill Convent I was told by one firm that I need not apply. This was back in 1939. I was puzzled because I had earned the right to attend the Convent after the Qualifying Exams. There was another Garnethill School (Protestant)and my mother advised me to tell them that was where I had gone. Sad that one had to lie to get a job. I am glad that this is no longer the case. My maiden name was Quinn and I believe the grandparents came from Co. Tyrone. I would have liked to know more about them but they seem to have disappeared after the 1900 census.
RonD
Hi Bunty: what is the oldest record you have for the Quinns in Scotland?
Paul Kelly
I have been reading through the list of Irish surnames commonly found in Scotland given by me and others. I want to add a few more that come to mind that have not already been mentioned:

Brady, Neeson, Dunn, Moran, Hamill, Higgins, Cannon, Canavan, Harkin, Muldoon, Bannon, Crossan, Mallon, Devenney, Treanor, Tinney, Toal, Tierney, Ferry, Diamond, Rice, Sheridan, Quigley, Herron, O'Hara, O'Hagan, McCarron, McCollum (usually recorded in the Scottish form of McCallum), McQuillan, McCallion, McCrudden, McCready, McPeake, McKeever, McKelvey, McElroy, McEnroe, McArdle, McStay, McSherry, McGlone, McGinn, McGettigan, McGreal, McCahill, McAlindon, McCool, McDevitt, McNelis, McBrearty, McGroarty, McCourt


I recently came across a website which lists the number and location of households in Ireland between 1848 and 1864 for any given surname.

http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/surname

It is a invaluable website. If you are interested in such things, you should check it out.
Tom
Do not forget FLATLEY
Paul Kelly
McNeill and McIntyre are Scottish surnames, NOT Irish surnames.
(The Scottish surname McNeill should not be confused with the Irish surname O'Neill.)

Nevertheless, McNeill and McIntyre are quite common surnames in the north of Ireland. (McNeill in the northeast, McIntyre in the northwest.)

Some of the Irish McNeills and McIntyres are Catholics and are descendants of 15th century Scottish Gallowglasses.
(See my discussion of Galloglass settlers in Ireland under the topic
'Are the Scots Really Irish?' in this 'Family History' forum.)

The other Irish McNeills and McIntyres are Protestants and are descended from 17th century Scottish Planters.

In addition, McAteer is an Irish surname and is commonly found throughout the north of Ireland. In the years following the 17th century Scottish Plantation of Ulster, some McAteers adopted the Scottish surname McIntyre, particularly in Derry/Donegal.

Consequently, Catholic McIntyres from the northwest of Ireland are of mixed ancestry: some are of indigenous Irish McAteer descent, while others are of Scottish Gallowglass descent.

Finally, a significant minority of the McNeills and McIntyres in the Glasgow area today are descended from these 'Irish' McNeill and McIntyre families.
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