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DannyH
I have decided to start a new topic because the Brexit and Scottish Independence topic prevents discussion on issues other than these two aforementioned, from being discussed.

Prior to submitting the first post to this new topic, I will start off by saying that I have never supported any political party during my lifetime. I am a ‘floating’ voter.

One of the reasons I have for starting this topic is the question of the anti Jewish statements attributed to some Labour Party members. I note the Chief Rabbi has come out telling his people not to vote for Labour.

I would like to know what exactly every Labour Party member accused of offensive language actually said regarding this issue.

I am not suggesting for a moment that there is nothing of concern to have been said by any of them. However, did any of them say anything which sympathised with the plight of the Palestinian people?
Does this Rabbi not realise that he has just handed the UK Islamic Community vote to Labour?

If my local Islamic newsagents view is that Jeremy Corbyn is a hero, then I rest my case.

Danny
Dykejumper
The Rabbi knew that the Islamic vote has long been a given for Labour.

3 million moslems
280 thousand jews
zascot
On the info i seen here the Rabbi did not say do not vote for labour he said what was wrong in his opinion with labour and did not give any directives to the Jewish voters.
DannyH
QUOTE (zascot @ 27th Nov 2019, 08:11am) *
On the info i seen here the Rabbi did not say do not vote for labour he said what was wrong in his opinion with labour and did not give any directives to the Jewish voters.

Hi Zascot

Fair comment from you.

In your response above, you rightly say that he said what was wrong in his opinion with Labour. Your comment could give the impression that he talked on a number of issues like Nationalising the rail network for example. However his speech was a criticism of the Labour leader’s lack of rooting out anti Jewish, Labour Party members.

He made quite a long speech, regarding what is going on in the Labour Party under Corbyn’s leadership regarding Jewish people. During his speech he said, “Not my place to tell any person how they should vote”, then went on to urge them “to vote with their conscience”.

To me that means don’t vote Labour, especially after reading other comments made during his speech.

I hope you don’t feel I am being confrontational with you. I don’t want to go down that road in this topic. I welcome the views of other contributors who can debate in a r reasoned manner.

Regards

Danny
zascot
QUOTE (DannyH @ 27th Nov 2019, 11:14am) *
Hi Zascot

Fair comment from you.

In your response above, you rightly say that he said what was wrong in his opinion with Labour. Your comment could give the impression that he talked on a number of issues like Nationalising the rail network for example. However his speech was a criticism of the Labour leader’s lack of rooting out anti Jewish, Labour Party members.

He made quite a long speech, regarding what is going on in the Labour Party under Corbyn’s leadership regarding Jewish people. During his speech he said, “Not my place to tell any person how they should vote”, then went on to urge them “to vote with their conscience”.

To me that means don’t vote Labour, especially after reading other comments made during his speech.

I hope you don’t feel I am being confrontational with you. I don’t want to go down that road in this topic. I welcome the views of other contributors who can debate in a r reasoned manner.

Regards

Danny


You agree that I am right in saying he did not tell the Jewish people to not vote Labour, which is a fact. I don`t know how that statement can give people any other impression. I can not agree that if he tells people to vote with their conscience that is instructing them not to vote Labour. You welcome the views of other contributors who can debate in a reasoned manner, does that mean agree with you. I don`t know why you started the thread if you don`t want correcting of your interpretation of statements nade.
wombat
rolleyes.gif your for it now laugh.gif
DannyH
QUOTE (zascot @ 27th Nov 2019, 02:56pm) *
You agree that I am right in saying he did not tell the Jewish people to not vote Labour, which is a fact. I don`t know how that statement can give people any other impression. I can not agree that if he tells people to vote with their conscience that is instructing them not to vote Labour. You welcome the views of other contributors who can debate in a reasoned manner, does that mean agree with you. I don`t know why you started the thread if you don`t want correcting of your interpretation of statements nade.

Hello Zascot

I am genuinely sorry that you feel that my response to your post makes you feel that I only welcome the views of contributors who agree with me. I certainly do not want this topic which I started, to go the same way as the Scottish Independence and Brexit forums. I welcome the opinions of others, provided they are reasonable like yours is.

Perhaps I should have just said, that although the Chief Rabbi didn’t actually use the words, “Don’t vote Labour”, his tone and wording were equivalent to a ‘Wink Wink’ delivery. I also think the media coverage given to his speech would not have been given the prominence it received if it had not been seen as a direct criticism of the Labour Party, and an embarrassment to it.

Looks like I have got this topic off to a bad start. Sorry everyone!

Danny
DannyH
QUOTE (DannyH @ 27th Nov 2019, 10:55pm) *
Hello Zascot

I am genuinely sorry that you feel that my response to your post makes you feel that I only welcome the views of contributors who agree with me. I certainly do not want this topic which I started, to go the same way as the Scottish Independence and Brexit forums. I welcome the opinions of others, provided they are reasonable like yours is.

Perhaps I should have just said, that although the Chief Rabbi didn’t actually use the words, “Don’t vote Labour”, his tone and wording were equivalent to a ‘Wink Wink’ delivery. I also think the media coverage given to his speech would not have been given the prominence it received if it had not been seen as a direct criticism of the Labour Party, and an embarrassment to it.

Looks like I have got this topic off to a bad start. Sorry everyone!

Danny

DannyH
I am posting the following from the BBC news website, www.bbc.co.uk on 26 November 2019.

The quotation marks are the BBC’s, not mine.

Chief Rabbi is quoted as having claimed,

“The overwhelming majority of British Jews are gripped by anxiety” at the prospect of a Labour victory in 12 December’s general election,

Danny

JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 27th Nov 2019, 10:55pm) *
I certainly do not want this topic which I started, to go the same way as the Scottish Independence and Brexit forums.


And yet there is confrontation here already from the word go, and not one of the regular independence or Brexit contributors bar yourself involved.

I'll just leave that there with you Danny. wink.gif
zascot
Sorry Danny but I only deal in facts not wink wink and hearsay otherwise I could find that the chief Rabbi meant anything I wanted.
I do not get involved imuch in the other topics as I left UK nearly 50 years ago and I am not affected as the people on the other threads.
Dykejumper
Would be nice to hear from the usual Labour big names not usually slow to appear on TV

Yvette Cooper, Hillary Benn, Liz Kendall, Stephen Kinnock, Lucy Powell, Darren Jones, Jess Phillips…and Ed Miliband.
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 28th Nov 2019, 12:11pm) *
And yet there is confrontation here already from the word go, and not one of the regular independence or Brexit contributors bar yourself involved.

I'll just leave that there with you Danny. ;)


Jagz, please don’t go down that road. There is no confrontation. Zascot was correct. The Rabbi didn’t utter the words I originally posted. What I should have done in my original post, was to post the BBC report regarding this issue of the Rabbi’s statements. I then could have followed that up by expanding my post to include what else the Rabbi had said. I could have and should have said that the Rabbi went on to say, following his very critical statements about Corbyn, that the Jewish electorate should use their conscience when voting. Hardly an endorsement of The Labour Party, I would suggest.

By the way, I think you will find Wombat has ‘contributed’ to this topic. So you see, you are just human like me. We both should be more careful what we write.

Danny
wombat
[quote name='DannyH' post='3741373' date='28th Nov 2019, 06:39pm']Jagz, please don’t go down that road. There is no confrontation

rolleyes.gif c,mon danny any discussion on the worlds "religious elite"isconfrontational. laugh.gif

carmella
QUOTE (Kemedian @ 28th Nov 2019, 08:10pm) *


Kem they have no chance, however, in moving into Nbr. 10! It is very easy to be spouting your manifesto when you already know you won’t form the next UK Government😀👍

This is a good thread to move over to as we are having an election. Danny was right to open it, we can always return to the Brexit discussions later.
carmella
QUOTE (zascot @ 28th Nov 2019, 02:09pm) *
Sorry Danny but I only deal in facts not wink wink and hearsay otherwise I could find that the chief Rabbi meant anything I wanted.
I do not get involved imuch in the other topics as I left UK nearly 50 years ago and I am not affected as the people on the other threads.


Oh no! You’re not old enough to have left so long ago 🤪🤪🤪🤓🐾🐾🐾🐾🐾
zascot
QUOTE (carmella @ 29th Nov 2019, 09:02am) *
Oh no! You’re not old enough to have left so long ago 🤪🤪🤪🤓🐾🐾🐾🐾🐾

Left Aug 71 to spend 6 months here on contract then possibly 6 months in Oz. Loved it here never went to Oz married an English girl from Bolton in 74 ( don`t tell the SNP biggrin.gif ) and I`m still here.Travelled the world from here on Business and pleasure but consider SA home.
Nice to see a thread started about te election, can`t imagine there will be any disagreements on here biggrin.gif
carmella
QUOTE (zascot @ 29th Nov 2019, 10:26am) *
Left Aug 71 to spend 6 months here on contract then possibly 6 months in Oz. Loved it here never went to Oz married an English girl from Bolton in 74 ( don`t tell the SNP biggrin.gif ) and I`m still here.Travelled the world from here on Business and pleasure but consider SA home.
Nice to see a thread started about te election, can`t imagine there will be any disagreements on here biggrin.gif

You did well my cousin Johnnie moved to Jo’burg 73.

Now we are both off topic LoL

Well that is a country that has been good to you.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (zascot @ 29th Nov 2019, 10:26am) *
married an English girl from Bolton in 74 ( don`t tell the SNP biggrin.gif )



There are many English people in the SNP Zascot, and many members of the SNP are married to English people (myself included) but since you have been away from Scotland so long i can understand why you're so out of touch with what is happening here. yes.gif
JAGZ1876
It's getting more and more like 1930's Germany.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/enviro...culpture-debate

Let's show the Tories what we think of them by making Scotland a Tory free zone on the 12th. wink.gif
carmella
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Nov 2019, 11:21am) *
There are many English people in the SNP Zascot, and many members of the SNP are married to English people (myself included) but since you have been away from Scotland so long i can understand why you're so out of touch with what is happening here. yes.gif

I think he has been back here many times Jagz, he was joking. Lighten up!
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (carmella @ 29th Nov 2019, 12:23pm) *
I think he has been back here many times Jagz, he was joking. Lighten up!


So it's half fun full earnest then. wink.gif
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Nov 2019, 11:21am) *
There are many English people in the SNP Zascot, and many members of the SNP are married to English people (myself included) but since you have been away from Scotland so long i can understand why you're so out of touch with what is happening here. :yes:

Jagz how about submitting a post relevant to the topic. For some reason or other you seem to consider yourself to be the controller of who says what. You could have made the above comment (directed at Zascot) to Bilbo and Wombat many times. But no, you support them at every opportunity.

This topic was started by me, only a few days ago. You are already spoiling it. We are not a one Party state yet. I genuinely would like to hear your views on why we should vote for the SNP in the forthcoming general election. At least you would be addressing the issue. So come on, get on your soap box and let’s hear it. That’s why I started this topic.

Danny.
carmella
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Nov 2019, 01:06pm) *
So it's half fun full earnest then. wink.gif

I don’t think so really Jagz.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 29th Nov 2019, 02:15pm) *
Jagz how about submitting a post relevant to the topic. For some reason or other you seem to consider yourself to be the controller of who says what. You could have made the above comment (directed at Zascot) to Bilbo and Wombat many times. But no, you support them at every opportunity.

Danny.


I was responding to a post that Zascot made Danny, surely that is relevant? unsure.gif

You've lost me with the point you're trying to make about something i may or may not say to other members.

I'm not asking you or anyone else to vote for the SNP, but if you want to know why i will be voting for them then it's simply that they are the only party who will stick up for the interests of Scotland and who will not roll over for the Tories.

Your turn now Danny, who will you be voting for and why?
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 29th Nov 2019, 02:15pm) *
We are not a one Party state yet.

Danny.


Give it time Danny, the Tory party are already working on that at the moment, in case you missed my post from earlier this morning.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/enviro...culpture-debate
wombat
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Nov 2019, 04:08pm) *
I'm not asking you or anyone else to vote for the SNP, but if you want to know why i will be voting for them then it's simply that they are the only party who will stick up for the interests of Scotland and who will not roll over for the Tories.


good enuff reason thumbup.gif
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Nov 2019, 04:13pm) *
Give it time Danny, the Tory party are already working on that at the moment, in case you missed my post from earlier this morning.

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/enviro...culpture-debate

Jagz, I didn’t miss your post. I didn’t bother reading it. However, I have just looked it up. So Johnson didn’t go on the Channel 4 programme, but asked if Gove could take his place. Channel 4 refused this request, so now a Conservative source is reported to have said that Channel 4’s license could be looked at sometime in the future. Wow!

Let’s compare that to Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to support a Labour Government, provided Corbyn agrees to another Scotland Independence referendum next year. Tell me which of the two scenarios is the more likely to become a reality?

That was a rhetorical question by the way.

Danny
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Nov 2019, 04:08pm) *
I was responding to a post that Zascot made Danny, surely that is relevant? :unsure:

You've lost me with the point you're trying to make about something i may or may not say to other members.

I'm not asking you or anyone else to vote for the SNP, but if you want to know why i will be voting for them then it's simply that they are the only party who will stick up for the interests of Scotland and who will not roll over for the Tories.

Your turn now Danny, who will you be voting for and why?

Hi Jagz, it’s me back again.

You say I have lost you regarding the point I am trying to make about what you may or may not say to other members.

Okay. In your response to Zascot you said, “—————since you have been away from Scotland so long I can understand why you are so out of touch with what is happening here”.

Your other two Amigos fall into that category. Bilbo lives in Spain, Wombat lives in Australia. I can’t recall you ever saying that to them.

Regarding who I will vote for, all I have to tell you is that I will not be voting for the SNP or the Lib Dem’s. This is a General Election. I want to leave the EU, if for no other reason that I am opposed to Open Borders. I haven’t seen anything on this forum about the 39 young people who were found dead in a truck, or the number of young women who have been brought to this country legally from Slovakia. They were promised a better quality of life in Scotland. Where did they finish up? In brothels in Nicola Sturgeon’s constituency, or sold on into forced marriages. She says we need freedom of movement, on the grounds we have an ageing population.

Danny
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 29th Nov 2019, 11:25pm) *
Jagz, I didn’t miss your post. I didn’t bother reading it. However, I have just looked it up. So Johnson didn’t go on the Channel 4 programme, but asked if Gove could take his place. Channel 4 refused this request, so now a Conservative source is reported to have said that Channel 4’s license could be looked at sometime in the future. Wow!

Let’s compare that to Nicola Sturgeon’s plan to support a Labour Government, provided Corbyn agrees to another Scotland Independence referendum next year. Tell me which of the two scenarios is the more likely to become a reality?

That was a rhetorical question by the way.

Danny


That's not a rhetorical question at all Danny, Labour have no chance of forming the next Westminster government, so your first scenario is the most likely to happen.

Just out of curiosity, why do you not read links? unsure.gif
JAGZ1876
Danny, If bilbo or Wombat were to casually throw a false accusation of racism against others while trying to pass it off as a joke by adding a laughing Emoji then yes, i would point out the error of their ways.

So you won't tell us who you'll vote for and why?

Do you honestly think that being out of the EU will stop human trafficking?
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Nov 2019, 11:42am) *
That's not a rhetorical question at all Danny, Labour have no chance of forming the next Westminster government, so your first scenario is the most likely to happen.

Just out of curiosity, why do you not read links? :unsure:

Hi Jagz, good of you to stay on the topic.

Based on the media coverage of this General Election, I agree with you that Labour has no chance of forming the next Westminster Government. For the same reason, I also think that no political Party has a chance of forming a Westminster Government. So it looks like it is going to be a hung Parliament once again. In other words, we are back to square one.

This means that neither the Tories or Labour will be held to account for the promises they made during the run up to the election. I think it is ironical that the Scottish electorate, including EU Nationals, voted to stay in the UK during the Scotland Independence referendum, and now the future of the whole of the UK is being held to ransom by the SNP. That is of course based on the assumption that the SNP will obtain a significant number of Parliamentary Constituencies.


Regarding me reading the links, I didn’t know it was compulsory to do so. I have other things to attend to.

Danny
Dykejumper
Danny, the Bookies think the Conservatives will have a majority of circa 50, they also reckon
the Gnats will get around 44 seats.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 30th Nov 2019, 12:18pm) *
Hi Jagz, good of you to stay on the topic.

and now the future of the whole of the UK is being held to ransom by the SNP. That is of course based on the assumption that the SNP will obtain a significant number of Parliamentary Constituencies.


Regarding me reading the links, I didn’t know it was compulsory to do so. I have other things to attend to.

Danny


Nice of you to say so Danny, but i rarely go off topic, i was replying to Zascot who had gone off topic but you seem ok with that.

Can you explain how you think the SNP will hold the whole of the UK to ransom?

You're right it's not compulsory to read links, but when you're having a discussion with someone it's courteous to understand their viewpoint.
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Nov 2019, 02:30pm) *
Nice of you to say so Danny, but i rarely go off topic, i was replying to Zascot who had gone off topic but you seem ok with that.

Can you explain how you think the SNP will hold the whole of the UK to ransom?

You're right it's not compulsory to read links, but when you're having a discussion with someone it's courteous to understand their viewpoint.

I will ignore your claim that you rarely go off topic. I will leave others to have their own opinions about that.

Jagz, if you need me to explain why I think the SNP will hold the country to ransom, then we live on different planets. The language she has used on TV debates is straightforward. She is shooting from the hip.

She won’t support a Tory Government. She will only support Labour if Corbyn agrees to a second referendum. She expects the SNP to have the third largest number of Parliamentary seats, as they do now. Need I say more?

Regarding your comment that when you are having a discussion with someone it is courteous to understand their viewpoint, I think you are correct. From my perspective it would be helpful to me as a reader if you would give readers your viewpoint. In some cases you give one liners, then give the link.

Danny
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 30th Nov 2019, 11:54am) *
Danny, If bilbo or Wombat were to casually throw a false accusation of racism against others while trying to pass it off as a joke by adding a laughing Emoji then yes, i would point out the error of their ways.

So you won't tell us who you'll vote for and why?

Do you honestly think that being out of the EU will stop human trafficking?

Jagz this is becoming a full time job for us.

I won’t tell you who I am voting for, the simple reason is, I am waiting for public meetings to take place. You know, in the days before Social media, we could question the candidates of the various Parties.

Three leaflets came through our letterbox today.

1 The Green Party.

Heading

THE GREENS HAVE A PLAN

Our Scottish Green New Deal would transform the economy, create hundreds of thousands of new jobs in green industries and slash emissions.
————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Are they going to give everybody a manual lawnmower? I am all for saving the planet, but until we know from the Green Party how they are going to develop the technology which would create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, they don’t get my vote.

Danny
DannyH
QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 30th Nov 2019, 01:28pm) *
Danny, the Bookies think the Conservatives will have a majority of circa 50, they also reckon
the Gnats will get around 44 seats.

Hi Dykejumper

I haven’t forgotten you!

I keep thinking back to the night the Brexit results finally came in. I seem to recall that up until almost the last minute, the odds were on the UK remaining in the EU.

The one that really stands out is the night Neil Kinnock thought he had won the General Election. I clearly remember him raising his hand in triumph, shouting something like, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. He lost.

His punishment, and I seem to remember his wife being punished in the same way, was to be banished to the EU as a COMMISSIONER! The people who have the last say.

So it has dawned on me that Nicola Sturgeon, has her personal agenda.

Step 1. Become the first ever Prime Minister of Scotland, and will be remembered for ever In Scottish history.

Step 2 She fails to get that office even although Scotland does become Independent. She is appointed as an EU Commissioner for her services to Scotland.

Step3 She awakens from her dreams. Scotland got its Independence, but the EU rejected Scotland’s application for membership. The SNP didn’t win a majority in the first Scottish General Election. She is out of a job.

Don’t laugh. It could happen. If Scotland gets Independence, the SNP can’t survive if all they can come up with is blaming other people for what happened in the past.

Sorry Dykejumper, hope I haven’t kept you up late!


Regards

Danny
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 30th Nov 2019, 11:55pm) *
Jagz this is becoming a full time job for us.

I won’t tell you who I am voting for, the simple reason is, I am waiting for public meetings to take place. You know, in the days before Social media, we could question the candidates of the various Parties.

Three leaflets came through our letterbox today.

1 The Green Party.

Heading

THE GREENS HAVE A PLAN

Our Scottish Green New Deal would transform the economy, create hundreds of thousands of new jobs in green industries and slash emissions.
————————————————————————————————————————————————————
Are they going to give everybody a manual lawnmower? I am all for saving the planet, but until we know from the Green Party how they are going to develop the technology which would create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, they don’t get my vote.

Danny



What's becoming a full time job for us?

Yes i remember public meetings, when and where are they being held in your area?

So you won't be voting SNP, Lib Dem and now the Greens, so will you throw your vote away voting Labour, or are you honestly saying that you would seriously consider voting Tory?
ashfield
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 1st Dec 2019, 01:08pm) *
What's becoming a full time job for us?

Yes i remember public meetings, when and where are they being held in your area?

So you won't be voting SNP, Lib Dem and now the Greens, so will you throw your vote away voting Labour, or are you honestly saying that you would seriously consider voting Tory?


Don't forget there are other choices including the rebranded UKIP party that is the Brexit party rolleyes.gif
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (ashfield @ 1st Dec 2019, 01:12pm) *
Don't forget there are other choices including the rebranded UKIP party that is the Brexit party rolleyes.gif


I'm pretty sure even Danny wouldn't vote for them. unsure.gif
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 1st Dec 2019, 01:08pm) *
What's becoming a full time job for us?

Yes i remember public meetings, when and where are they being held in your area?

So you won't be voting SNP, Lib Dem and now the Greens, so will you throw your vote away voting Labour, or are you honestly saying that you would seriously consider voting Tory?

Posting on this forum is becoming a full time job.

So far I have not seen any notification of proposed public meetings in my area.

Jagz, as far as I am concerned I would be throwing my vote away for any Party which doesn’t support the outcome of the EU referendum. The outcome of that referendum was a democratically achieved result.

I was made redundant by a Tory Government, so I have no love of them. I just want out of the EU, okay?
If we get out of the EU, then it is mission accomplished for me. Then we will get back to some sort of normality, and hopefully we can all get back to normality when it comes to General Elections. That is, we can stop resorting to tactical voting. I am not alone in doing this. I have seen a number of working class people, on TV, who were lifelong Labour supporters, but will vote Tory in this election.

Danny
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 1st Dec 2019, 06:47pm) *
Posting on this forum is becoming a full time job.

So far I have not seen any notification of proposed public meetings in my area.

Jagz, as far as I am concerned I would be throwing my vote away for any Party which doesn’t support the outcome of the EU referendum. The outcome of that referendum was a democratically achieved result.

I was made redundant by a Tory Government, so I have no love of them. I just want out of the EU, okay?
If we get out of the EU, then it is mission accomplished for me. Then we will get back to some sort of normality, and hopefully we can all get back to normality when it comes to General Elections. That is, we can stop resorting to tactical voting. I am not alone in doing this. I have seen a number of working class people, on TV, who were lifelong Labour supporters, but will vote Tory in this election.

Danny


Take it easy if you think it's becoming a bit too much for you.

They're leaving it a bit late, the election is a week on Thursday.

Can't see you voting Labour as they don't know what their stand in Brexit is, so you were always going to vote Tory so no need to pretend you want to hear the candidates speak at the local hall anymore.

If you can vote for the party of greed austerity and the enemy of the poor, sick elderly and disabled then i honestly don't know how you can sleep at night?
wombat
QUOTE (DannyH @ 1st Dec 2019, 12:16am) *
Don’t laugh. It could happen. If Scotland gets Independence, the SNP can’t survive if all they can come up with is blaming other people for what happened in the past.

Danny


laugh.gif
next thing youll be telling us Britain was the worlds benefactor. laugh.gif


DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 1st Dec 2019, 07:22pm) *
Take it easy if you think it's becoming a bit too much for you.

They're leaving it a bit late, the election is a week on Thursday.

Can't see you voting Labour as they don't know what their stand in Brexit is, so you were always going to vote Tory so no need to pretend you want to hear the candidates speak at the local hall anymore.

If you can vote for the party of greed austerity and the enemy of the poor, sick elderly and disabled then i honestly don't know how you can sleep at night?



Jagz, I will just respond to your closing statement above. It is sick! It is a clear indication that you are someone who cannot debate civilly. It is pointless trying to have a reasoned discussion with you. How low can you sink!

Danny
DannyH
QUOTE (ashfield @ 1st Dec 2019, 01:12pm) *
Don't forget there are other choices including the rebranded UKIP party that is the Brexit party :rolleyes:

Hi Ashfield

Yes there are. However when you vote tactically you don’t vote for a Party that has no chance of getting a majority of Parliamentary seats.

I thought this was supposed to be a democratic forum. It appears I was wrong. No point of contributing if you want to leave the EU.

Danny
ashfield
QUOTE (DannyH @ 1st Dec 2019, 08:46pm) *
Hi Ashfield

Yes there are. However when you vote tactically you don’t vote for a Party that has no chance of getting a majority of Parliamentary seats.

I thought this was supposed to be a democratic forum. It appears I was wrong. No point of contributing if you want to leave the EU.

Danny


If leaving the EU is an election issue for you then there are no problems about contributing, plenty of problems if we want a straight answer to the negative Implications of such a thing happening. I've asked you about the forecasted hole in the UK finances (I've repeated this several times but you just do a body swerve), where is the trade deal to remotely rival that we have currently, who will fill the thousands of vacancies in the NHS, care sector, hospitality sector, food processors, what will happen to workers rights, what will happen to border security when we get thrown out of Europol and Eurojust. The EU has brought us, for the longest period ever, freedom from serious conflict and relative peace in Europe. What price do you put on that? The EU is not perfect, and there are immigration to address, but overall I believe the benefits of being in far outweigh those of leaving.

Yes, the country voted in (an advisory) referendum to leave but we were lied to by those who were, and still are, in a position of trust. If we were dealing with it as a review of a court case , the outcome would be described as "unsafe". The same thing happened during the Independence referendum. Just before the vote, on a bus in East Kilbride, I overheard an older woman saying she was voting against independence because her daughter told her she would lose her free bus pass. I will not give my vote to to any of these lying, self serving cheats.

DannyH
QUOTE (ashfield @ 2nd Dec 2019, 08:49am) *
If leaving the EU is an election issue for you then there are no problems about contributing, plenty of problems if we want a straight answer to the negative Implications of such a thing happening. I've asked you about the forecasted hole in the UK finances (I've repeated this several times but you just do a body swerve), where is the trade deal to remotely rival that we have currently, who will fill the thousands of vacancies in the NHS, care sector, hospitality sector, food processors, what will happen to workers rights, what will happen to border security when we get thrown out of Europol and Eurojust. The EU has brought us, for the longest period ever, freedom from serious conflict and relative peace in Europe. What price do you put on that? The EU is not perfect, and there are immigration to address, but overall I believe the benefits of being in far outweigh those of leaving.

Yes, the country voted in (an advisory) referendum to leave but we were lied to by those who were, and still are, in a position of trust. If we were dealing with it as a review of a court case , the outcome would be described as "unsafe". The same thing happened during the Independence referendum. Just before the vote, on a bus in East Kilbride, I overheard an older woman saying she was voting against independence because her daughter told her she would lose her free bus pass. I will not give my vote to to any of these lying, self serving cheats.

Ashfield

Thank you, thank you, thank you. At last I have received a post which I consider to have been well thought out. Unfortunately I have a busy schedule all day today. It will probably be tomorrow before I can reply.

Regards

Danny
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 1st Dec 2019, 08:31pm) *
Jagz, I will just respond to your closing statement above. It is sick! It is a clear indication that you are someone who cannot debate civilly. It is pointless trying to have a reasoned discussion with you. How low can you sink!

Danny



Are you saying that i have lied and none of what i said was true, if so which part was false and how can you justify calling it "sick"?
zascot
Don`t worry Danny. my post in answer to Carmella was interpreted by jagz in his normal way which now explains a lot to me about the person,
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