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JAGZ1876
QUOTE (DannyH @ 21st Aug 2016, 10:27pm) *
Hello Jagz

Bloody foreigners' as you aptly named them, spilled the blood of countless civilizations there.

Regards

Danny


Danny, stop taking things out of context, it was a humorous remark poking fun at racists.
angel
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd Aug 2016, 06:30pm) *
Danny, stop taking things out of context, it was a humorous remark poking fun at racists.


thank you jags for your explanation to him. I have been wondering how in the name a post by myself regarding bikes for refugees ended up becoming a story on the annihilation of ancient civilisations on the American continent
Shades of the funny farm , methinks.
john.mcn
Are the native Americans/First Nation peoples who complain of non indigenous migrants to their lands racist?
angel
QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd Aug 2016, 07:13pm) *
Are the native Americans/First Nation peoples who complain of non indigenous migrants to their lands racist?


I don't know , but I would think that you should ask them .
john.mcn
Do you think before typing? It is others who always do the racist name calling not the ones getting called it hence you ask those using the phrase.

If it is apparently 'racist' for people to question or object to migrants coming into their country then surely that tag should also apply to indigenous inhabitants of other countries. Instead of appeasing or showing empathy for N/S American indians, Australian aborigines, Maurois or Africans objecting to the colonisations of their lands they should treat them as the racists they obviously are ..

That is completely different of course as they didn't have a say in the matter...ohh wait!!!
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd Aug 2016, 08:30pm) *
Danny, stop taking things out of context, it was a humorous remark poking fun at racists.


Hello Jagz

I am sure you meant it as a humorous remark, however, there was no need for it. It all started after Angel brought to our attention, the generosity of the retired Canadian couple. Bilbo's comment, yours and hers were all unecessary, but it seems we can't have a discussion without racism being brought in to the topic.

All that was required from anybody was their thoughts on the Canadian couple's great effort. Not comments to score cheap pionts.

Danny
wombat
tongue.gif so we should aw dance tae your tune then ? tongue.gif
DannyH
QUOTE (wombat @ 23rd Aug 2016, 12:00am) *
:P so we should aw dance tae your tune then ? :P


I would be surprised if you could get up off your big fat backside to dance to anyone's tune.

As always, you haven't let us down. Another childish post. I wonder how many people have given up coming on the the GG forums because of the level you have brought it down to. I am referring to the 'picture', not your words. I can reply to words.

Danny Harris
angel
from post 237,

I went back in 2006 for the closing ceremony of the school I had been to. While there, I read a newspaper report. Somewhere in Canada, the 'Red Indians' had put up a road block. This was to stop 'Canadians' from getting into their houses in a newly built development. The 'Natives' claimed that this piece of land had been given to them by the British for assisting them in the war with the French.
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there was a Road block in the town of Caledonia , Ontario, during that time . It was the Six Nations People who were protesting against the building of new housing sub divisions on their land to which they have a historical claim , anyway to keep this story short as possible , the federal and provincial governments cannot come up with a negotiated agreement , because each say that the other is responsible to try and figure out this mess , and as a result , nothing has been settled yet . I guess this suits both governments just fine , if they wait long enough the native peoples just might quit ,
angel
P.S.

The land was given to the natives for their loyalty to the British Crown during the American revolution .
angel
QUOTE (DannyH @ 22nd Aug 2016, 08:59pm) *
Hello Jagz

I am sure you meant it as a humorous remark, however, there was no need for it. It all started after Angel brought to our attention, the generosity of the retired Canadian couple. Bilbo's comment, yours and hers were all unecessary, but it seems we can't have a discussion without racism being brought in to the topic.

All that was required from anybody was their thoughts on the Canadian couple's great effort. Not comments to score cheap pionts.

Danny


Show where the racism that you say exists in any of those posts , and which negative remarks are you talking about , I'm sure they are a figment of your imagination.
DannyH
QUOTE (angel @ 23rd Aug 2016, 04:21pm) *
P.S.

The land was given to the natives for their loyalty to the British Crown during the American revolution .


Hello again Angel

Two comments to make regarding your post.

1 - The land wasn't given to the natives. The land was given back to the natives. Think about what you are saying. The people are the NATIVES. They were there first!

2 - You should contact the 'natives' and point out to them that they weren't rewarded for assisting the British against the French.

It looks like it doesn't matter why they were given the land. It was taken off them again in 2006. I guess they are at a disadvantage. Who cares?

Danny
DannyH
QUOTE (angel @ 23rd Aug 2016, 08:48pm) *
Show where the racism that you say exists in any of those posts ,
and which negative remarks are you talking about ,
I'm sure they are a figment of your imagination.


Angel you have been away from Scotland too long.

Here is Bilbo's response (Post #235) to your post which told us about the kind hearted Canadian couple.

"Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove".

Do you think that we who still live in Scotland are so thick that we don't recognise that someone is making a jibe at people in Scotland who are concerned about the lack of CONTROLLED immigration into Scotland?

Then your response to him (Post #237)

"Yes life is good, it is just those negatives we come across".

So who are the negatives you are referring to ?

The answer has to be the people in Scotland who are concerned about the lack of CONTROLLED immigration.

We have been branded as racists by some people using this forum.

You could always of course come back and define who the "negatives" are, and why they are negatives in your opinion.

Regarding my figment of imagination, you must have missed Bilbo's post where he said I dislike people from a number of countries. There were so many I have forgotten them all. The only thing I do remember is that I have made friends with people of all the countries he mentioned.

Danny Harris
angel
QUOTE (DannyH @ 23rd Aug 2016, 08:49pm) *
Angel you have been away from Scotland too long.

Here is Bilbo's response (Post #235) to your post which told us about the kind hearted Canadian couple.

"Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove".

Do you think that we who still live in Scotland are so thick that we don't recognise that someone is making a jibe at people in Scotland who are concerned about the lack of CONTROLLED immigration into Scotland?

Then your response to him (Post #237)

"Yes life is good, it is just those negatives we come across".

So who are the negatives you are referring to ?

The answer has to be the people in Scotland who are concerned about the lack of CONTROLLED immigration.

We have been branded as racists by some people using this forum.

You could always of course come back and define who the "negatives" are, and why they are negatives in your opinion.

Regarding my figment of imagination, you must have missed Bilbo's post where he said I dislike people from a number of countries. There were so many I have forgotten them all. The only thing I do remember is that I have made friends with people of all the countries he mentioned.

Danny Harris

angel
YOU can interpret Bilbo's post anyway you fancy but you cannot read minds, and when it comes to my post you are most definitely 100% wrong as a matter of fact you have become one nasty little person . The post is about bikes and refugees and a couple who gave the bikes to them , nothing to do with you or Scotland but you have made it an issue from the demented thoughts in your mind . by the way this will be the last time that I will reply to you on this board , because you are not worth the time and regarding explaining my post to you about negatives , Don't Hold Your Breath .
DannyH
QUOTE (angel @ 24th Aug 2016, 02:19am) *
YOU can interpret Bilbo's post anyway you fancy but you cannot read minds, and when it comes to my post you are most definitely 100% wrong as a matter of fact you have become one nasty little person . The post is about bikes and refugees and a couple who gave the bikes to them , nothing to do with you or Scotland but you have made it an issue from the demented thoughts in your mind . by the way this will be the last time that I will reply to you on this board , because you are not worth the time and regarding explaining my post to you about negatives , Don't Hold Your Breath .


Hello Angel

I have to agree with you. I thought the post was supposed to be about bikes and refugees and a couple who gave bikes to them. However, other people, not me turned the topic into 'negativity'. I can't read their minds, but I can read what they write.

You are now one of a number of people who won't reply to me. I am not holding my breath.

Danny Harris
Scotsman
You should be grateful Danny as all I can see is your are getting spiteful replies from Angel so its no loss not to get them. Its the same old stuff.... talk about controlled immigration and you get shouted down by the bigoted mob who have no experience of whats been going on in Glasgow these last few years!!
Betsy2009
Of course we need controlled immigration but based on skills rather than skin colour or religion.
DannyH
QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 24th Aug 2016, 06:08pm) *
Of course we need controlled immigration but based on skills rather than skin colour or religion.


Hello Betsy

I totally agree with you.

I had a successful cataract operation performed on my right eye last year by a surgeon from the Middle East, and a cataract operation done on my left eye by another surgeon from the Middle East this year. In both cases I sent them a Thank You card.

I think I have also mentioned in previous posts that I have worked here and in other countries, with people who came from different countries across the world.

As this topic is entitled, 'Changes to Canada' I went to school there with children who had either come from all over Europe, or their parents had. Foreigners don't 'frighten' me. I have learned that from an early age. What frightens me is that we haven't learned from history. Opening up your arms to welcome everybody can have a devastation impact on future generations of the host countries' children. I use the American continents as evidence to support my belief. If that makes me a racist, so be it. How many Incas, Aztecs, or 'Red Indians' did we see performing at the Olympics 2016?

By the way, to avoid any misunderstanding, I am not suggesting that you look on me as being a racist.

Regards

Danny
angel
QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 24th Aug 2016, 05:08pm) *
Of course we need controlled immigration but based on skills rather than skin colour or religion.



Betsy I think here in Canada , it is controlled immigration and it is done on a points system
but as I hav'nt check that out recently it may have changed a bit .
But would be immigrants might do well to give there hopes of migration here second
thoughts as or economy isn't doing to well at this time .

Also regarding the refugees who came to Canada this year , they probably went through
a different process as security was top of the list and also it was a humanitarian act
by the government which still continues dealing with them . and I do hope that it will continue

Also in the news today , Muslim women who are officers in the RCMP
and for future recruits , they will now be allowed to wear their Hijab
as part of there uniform , and I think this is excellent news .
wombat
QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 24th Aug 2016, 05:08pm) *
Of course we need controlled immigration but based on skills rather than skin colour or religion.


rolleyes.gif or SPORTING ability they seem to rush 'them'through when needed yes.gif
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (wombat @ 24th Aug 2016, 10:36pm) *
rolleyes.gif or SPORTING ability they seem to rush 'them'through when needed yes.gif


Spot on Wombat. thumbup.gif
angel
Today I am hearing that the Ceta talks between Canada and the E.U are back on track again , I do hope that an agreement will be reached because , from what I have read about the pros and cons regarding these talks which have taken 7years to get to this point, will surely be beneficial for both Canada and the EU .
Betsy2009
I read this this morning, Angel. Must be very frustrating for Canada.

''The EU is "impossible" to do deals with, the Canadian government said as a major trade agreement appeared to be on the brink of collapse.
In a sign of how difficult Britain's Brexit negotiations will be, the Canadians walked out of talks on Friday after a major trade deal was put on hold because of a tiny region in Belgium.
The region of Wallonia, population 3.5 million, is blocking the Canada-EU trade deal, which was due to be signed next week after seven years of talks.
Under the Belgian political system, major international deals need to be signed off by regional parliaments.
Wallonian farmers are opposed to the deal because they fear that the country will be flooded with cheap agricultural imports.
It raises the prospect of a tiny region like Wallonia attempting to block whatever deal Britain emerges with during Brexit talks .''

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/eu-is-...ocid=spartandhp
bilbo.s
Under the Belgian political system, major international deals need to be signed off by regional parliaments.

Wouldst that the UK had such a system. We would not be in this mess now!
angel
Hi Betsy , It does seem an impossible task to reach an agreement for Ceta and as you know our trade minister did walk out of the talks , but I think , although nothing was said about her walkout except that it happened I think she was told to walk back in by the Canadian government and keep talking .

I know that Walloonia is the problem but it is amazing that a small region of Belgium with a population of 3miilion or so , can stop the whole of the EU from signing an agreement but at this point it is now up to the EU to allay Wallonias' fears and hopefully something can be salvaged . " Maybe ".
angel
Good news today , Canada and the EU have reached an agreement on Ceta , Hopefully ! smile.gif
john.mcn
I see Greenpeace is against CETA
QUOTE
“The EU-Canada trade deal is irreparable and must be stopped. If ministers sign the deal today, they do so against major public opposition. Trade relations between the EU and other countries should adhere to basic democratic principles and help our countries reach climate, environmental, social as well as economic goals. But CETA will put the interests of multinationals above people and the planet.”


Trade deals should be about reducing, or removing tariffs, not giving foreign bodies the right to take 'sovereign' governments to court.
angel
Ceta has not been finalized yet, there are still some changes to be made , I am sure !.. but I do hope that it will be a trade deal that will benefit both Canada and the EU .

I don't know enough about the ICS in this deal but whatever problems would come up in the future , I think that they will be dealt with in a fair and honest manner .
Talisman
QUOTE (angel @ 22nd Oct 2016, 10:09pm) *
Hi Betsy , It does seem an impossible task to reach an agreement for Ceta and as you know our trade minister did walk out of the talks , but I think , although nothing was said about her walkout except that it happened I think she was told to walk back in by the Canadian government and keep talking .

I know that Walloonia is the problem but it is amazing that a small region of Belgium with a population of 3miilion or so , can stop the whole of the EU from signing an agreement but at this point it is now up to the EU to allay Wallonias' fears and hopefully something can be salvaged . " Maybe ".

This is the "dictatorship" of minority interest. It would not have occurred had not the rulers of the Brussels consortium been in full agreement with their stand on the issue. It will as like all dictatorships collapse in on itself. Free trade is a fearful and undesirable concept to the unelected and answerable to none commanders of the E.U. They could never compete on an equal footing with states dedicated to free and fair trade. Canada's loss; I think not.
GG
There's a good article in the Guardian about the so-called 'trade' agreement, CETA. As the introduction mentions: CETA has nothing to do with generating trade, but everything to do with furthering the rampant corpratisation that is destroying the quality of peoples' lives on both sides of the Atlantic. A very sad day indeed... let's hope it can still be stopped.

QUOTE
People power is ending TTIP and other unpopular EU free-trade deals

As the great powers gathered in Japan for last week’s G7 summit, a series of massive trade deals were under attack from all sides. And yet, from Donald Trump to Jeremy Corbyn, there is a recognition that “trade” has become little more than a synonym for big business to take ever more control of society.

The US-Europe deal TTIP (the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) is the best known of these so-called “new generation” trade deals and has inspired a movement. More than 3 million Europeans have signed Europe’s biggest petition to oppose TTIP, while 250,000 Germans took to the streets of Berlin last autumn to try to bring this deal down. A new opinion poll shows only 18% of Americans and 17% of Germans support TTIP, down from 53% and 55% just two years ago.

But TTIP is not alone. Its smaller sister deal between the EU and Canada is called Ceta (the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement). Ceta is just as dangerous as TTIP; indeed it’s in the vanguard of TTIP-style deals, because it’s already been signed by the European commission and the Canadian government. It now awaits ratification over the next 12 months.

The one positive thing about Ceta is that it has already been signed and that means that we’re allowed to see it. Its 1,500 pages show us that it’s a threat to not only our food standards, but also the battle against climate change, our ability to regulate big banks to prevent another crash and our power to renationalise industries.

Like the US deal, Ceta contains a new legal system, open only to foreign corporations and investors. Should the British government make a decision, say, to outlaw dangerous chemicals, improve food safety or put cigarettes in plain packaging, a Canadian company can sue the British government for “unfairness”. And by unfairness this simply means they can’t make as much profit as they expected. The “trial” would be held as a special tribunal, overseen by corporate lawyers. [...]

Full story here:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...-ceta-eu-canada

And here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...rade-deals-ceta

GG.
angel
Multinationals do bring good jobs to host countries .

http://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk...ries-here-s-why
Billy7 Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 27th Oct 2016, 10:56pm) *
Multinationals do bring good jobs to host countries .

http://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk...ries-here-s-why

Unlike the pseudo socialists, the Neo Communist and the post Stalinist economic basket cases of the former and reviving (in Russia) Soviet Socialist Republics. Look around and see how many "exports" have reached the homes and communities from the East European greater co-prosperity sphere. Couldn't even produce an electric drill between 10 of them.
angel
The CETA trade deal has now been ratified , which means many challenges for Canada with competition ahead dealing with the EU and making this deal successful for both countries , but this sure beats stagnating inside a country's own borders , anyway, we won't see much of a change anytime soon , maybe in the next couple of years. smile.gif
Billy Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 30th Oct 2016, 03:35pm) *
The CETA trade deal has now been ratified , which means many challenges for Canada with competition ahead dealing with the EU and making this deal successful for both countries , but this sure beats stagnating inside a country's own borders , anyway, we won't see much of a change anytime soon , maybe in the next couple of years. smile.gif

We have a free trade agreement with the U.S.A. They are free to sell us what they want and we are free to buy what they tell us.
TAlisman
QUOTE (petunia @ 5th Nov 2015, 01:26pm) *
Subject: Changes to Canada

Below is an excellent FB post that ALL people should read. This fellow is an Historian who offers an accurate assessment of the root of the problem the world faces today and more so well into the future.

Total hysteria. The Quotation of the Quran reminds me of that anti Jewish publication, so beloved by Nazis the world over, "The Protocols of the Electors of Zion". No we have anti Moslem sentiment sharing the same lying stage as that spurious publication. It is obvious the racist making up the "death sentences" ascribed to the Quran has in no way ever had contact with the book. In the Quran there are rules set out about how Muslims should interact with other creeds. Call for death are in the imagination of the "righteous haters" of all that is not White Anglo- Saxon and Protestant. Historians???? My A&%$@!!!
angel
QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 4th Nov 2016, 09:53pm) *
We have a free trade agreement with the U.S.A. They are free to sell us what they want and we are free to buy what they tell us.


Billy, We also have a free trade agreement with the USA , it is called NAFTA , but if Trump should win the election he has said that he will get rid of it .
angel
Also Last week on the news I heard that Canada is no longer Americas' #1 trading partner that #1 spot now belongs to China . yes.gif
Billy Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 4th Nov 2016, 11:50pm) *
Billy, We also have a free trade agreement with the USA , it is called NAFTA , but if Trump should win the election he has said that he will get rid of it .

He will be getting rid of Mexico, all Muslims, China trade. He will reopen coal mines in Pennsylvania (even if all coalhas been removed). Americans will all be granted free fire arms ( no excuses for not having a gun; besides trumps followers dictum "what's the use of having a gun if you don't use it to kill"). No more overseas alliances with American forces. Russia will finally be free to conquer any little nation it can bully into submission. And last but not least this dangerous buffoon will have his manic hand on the nuclear trigger.
angel
QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 5th Nov 2016, 09:15am) *
He will be getting rid of Mexico, all Muslims, China trade. He will reopen coal mines in Pennsylvania (even if all coalhas been removed). Americans will all be granted free fire arms ( no excuses for not having a gun; besides trumps followers dictum "what's the use of having a gun if you don't use it to kill"). No more overseas alliances with American forces. Russia will finally be free to conquer any little nation it can bully into submission. And last but not least this dangerous buffoon will have his manic hand on the nuclear trigger.


Exactly ! and we will no longer have to worry about terrorism , it will be firmly planted in the white house ,run by a dictator.
angel
I see that Justin Trudeau is in the hot seat regarding his comments on the death of Fidel Castro which seems to me , " much ado but nothing " but the opposition parties , Tory and NDP have jumped on the political bandwagon and making a mountain out of a molehill and saying that Trudeau should not attend Castro's funeral , personally , I hope he does .

Cuba has been governed by totalitarian leaders including Batista who was supported by the USA plus a few well known gangsters and just maybe Castro was the best of A bad bunch .

I also see in the USA that the Trudeau remarks have not gone down to well but then , those political critics are catering to the Cuban exiles in America and especially Miami ." it's votes that count!

Trump is also shouting off his mouth about how evil Castro was . and will try to breakup the progress that Obama had made between the USA and Cuba .

Anyway these are just my thoughts and I heard that we should not be surprised if we hear that the Trump organization is building a hotel on the Bay of Pigs . huh.gif .
Billy Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 27th Nov 2016, 09:32pm) *
I see that Justin Trudeau is in the hot seat regarding his comments on the death of Fidel Castro which seems to me , " much ado but nothing " but the opposition parties , Tory and NDP have jumped on the political bandwagon and making a mountain out of a molehill and saying that Trudeau should not attend Castro's funeral , personally , I hope he does .

Cuba has been governed by totalitarian leaders including Batista who was supported by the USA plus a few well known gangsters and just maybe Castro was the best of A bad bunch .

I also see in the USA that the Trudeau remarks have not gone down to well but then , those political critics are catering to the Cuban exiles in America and especially Miami ." it's votes that count!

Trump is also shouting off his mouth about how evil Castro was . and will try to breakup the progress that Obama had made between the USA and Cuba .

Anyway these are just my thoughts and I heard that we should not be surprised if we hear that the Trump organization is building a hotel on the Bay of Pigs . huh.gif .

Much as I have feelings of hostility towards a person of Trumps mind set, I am inclined to agree with him on his opinion of Castro. Castro was a thuggish and brutal dictator who surrounded himself with an aura of invincibility and personality orientated propaganda, which appealed to the bourgeois romanticist pseudo socialist of the sixties.

He well betrayed them, his own people and brought the world to the brink of a nuclear holocaust. The full aftermath story of the "Missile Crisis" showed the even commanders of lesser warships had the where for all to launch a nuclear attack on the United States and subsequently the world. This was down to the holy grail of socialism; Fidel.

If you think the people crying in the streets of Havana an indication of his popularity, observe how the brain washed citizens of Kim Jong Ill's concentration camp kingdom, weep with joy every time the mention the "Dear Leaders" name. Not to do so would require long periods of torture and re education.

A fascist dictator as were ALL socialist dictators preceding him.
Samjohn
Billy Boil:

I have been a member of the club for a long time, using the names “Dugald” and ”Samjohn”, but I don’t think I have ever had the pleasure of exchanging emails with you. I don’t post these days, but I always read what is posted.

I have just finished reading your recent post about Fidel Castro, and I must say I disagree very strongly with what you say, especially the following part”:

“He [Castro] well betrayed them, his own people and brought the world to the brink of a nuclear holocaust. The full aftermath story of the "Missile Crisis" showed the even commanders of lesser warships had the where for all to launch a nuclear attack on the United States and subsequently the world. This was down to the holy grail of socialism; Fidel.”

Might I suggest Billy, that you ask yourself the following questions:

(1) Why was the Soviet Union placing nuclear weapons in Cuba?
(2) Were these warships that you mention any more threatening to the USA than the variety of American nuclear weapons, already in place surrounding the USSR, were to the Soviet Union?

This nuclear holocaust which you mention, was averted just in time. Whom would you praise with an “Attaboy” for averting this holocaust… Kennedy or Kruschov?

Cheers, Dugald
john.mcn


I never quite understood the hero like status bestowed to people like Castro or Che Guevara, they didn't want to free people, they wanted to control them..
Samjohn
John, you say:

“I never quite understood the hero like status bestowed to people like Castro or Che Guevara, they didn't want to free people, they wanted to control them..”

The hero-like status which you mention with regard to Castro, I submit, was simply because to the vast majority of Cubans, he was a hero. He had after all, got rid of the Chicago gangsters who were running the country during Batista’s reign. His rag-tag army fought and successfully defended their island against a USA-sponsored CSA attempt to invade the island.

I wonder if you ever visited Cuba after Castro’s victory over the invaders. If you did, I cannot imagine that you came across many local Cubans who would have preferred to be controlled by the Chicago gangsters rather than Fidel.

Anyway, cheers, Dugald.
bilbo.s
QUOTE (Samjohn @ 1st Dec 2016, 02:53am) *
John, you say:

“I never quite understood the hero like status bestowed to people like Castro or Che Guevara, they didn't want to free people, they wanted to control them..”

The hero-like status which you mention with regard to Castro, I submit, was simply because to the vast majority of Cubans, he was a hero. He had after all, got rid of the Chicago gangsters who were running the country during Batista’s reign. His rag-tag army fought and successfully defended their island against a USA-sponsored CSA attempt to invade the island.

I wonder if you ever visited Cuba after Castro’s victory over the invaders. If you did, I cannot imagine that you came across many local Cubans who would have preferred to be controlled by the Chicago gangsters rather than Fidel.

Anyway, cheers, Dugald.


Hi Dugald. Not often we agree but on this occasion I certainly do, having been to Cuba twice this century. Sure, people were still poor, but nobody starved, had excellent education and healthcare, and were some of the cheeriest people I have met, despite the iniquitous US embargo. Contrast this with the enormous casino/brothel under Batista and the Mob. Apart from my visits, I have read widely about the history of the island and the Americans (US) do not come out well.
john.mcn
I have never spoken to Cubans or visited the place so have no idea if they see him as a saviour. I was referring those those who live in the western democracies who see them as heroes.
Billy Boil
QUOTE (Samjohn @ 29th Nov 2016, 06:46pm) *
Billy Boil:

I have been a member of the club for a long time, using the names “Dugald” and ”Samjohn”, but I don’t think I have ever had the pleasure of exchanging emails with you. I don’t post these days, but I always read what is posted.

I have just finished reading your recent post about Fidel Castro, and I must say I disagree very strongly with what you say, especially the following part”:

“He [Castro] well betrayed them, his own people and brought the world to the brink of a nuclear holocaust. The full aftermath story of the "Missile Crisis" showed the even commanders of lesser warships had the where for all to launch a nuclear attack on the United States and subsequently the world. This was down to the holy grail of socialism; Fidel.”

Might I suggest Billy, that you ask yourself the following questions:

(1) Why was the Soviet Union placing nuclear weapons in Cuba?
(2) Were these warships that you mention any more threatening to the USA than the variety of American nuclear weapons, already in place surrounding the USSR, were to the Soviet Union?

This nuclear holocaust which you mention, was averted just in time. Whom would you praise with an “Attaboy” for averting this holocaust… Kennedy or Kruschov?

Cheers, Dugald

Still a murdering, torturing, fascist ( yes they come in red and black ) egomaniac dictator.
Still, keep that red flag flying high and roll on the socialist millennia.

Great socialist leaders of the 20th century. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Kin Jong Ill and all his mentally antecedents, (notice how they hand down their empires to their families; Raul ?) Eric Honecker, Ceausescu and Fidel Castro. All heads of socialist dictatorships, no free press, no free vote, no free assembly and unparalleled corruption. Where there is no vote life has no value and yet those "socialists in the West still long for the day they can also suffer under the heels of obnoxious and worthless dictators.
Dugald
Billy, in my Post #293 I posted the following:

Might I suggest Billy, that you ask yourself the following questions:

(1) Why was the Soviet Union placing nuclear weapons in Cuba?
(2) Were these warships that you mention any more threatening to the USA than the variety of American nuclear weapons, already in place surrounding the USSR, were to the Soviet Union?

This nuclear holocaust which you mention, was averted just in time. Whom would you praise with an “Attaboy” for averting this holocaust… Kennedy or Kruschov?

Could I please have an answer or at least a comment with regard to what I wrote here?

Cheers, Dugald.
ExPOW
How is this part of the discussion in any way related to "Changes to Canada" ladies and gentlemen? unsure.gif

Perhaps it deserves a dedicated topic by itself.
Just sayin'.
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