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ExPOW
In today's news...

Those who have not lost property are being allowed to return between June 1st to 15th provided
that;

Air quality is acceptable and that essential services are up and running.
Electrical power, natural gas and water services are available to many areas nevertheless people will still be left with a mess. Sales of new freezers and refrigerators will probably soar over the next few months.

Those who have lost property will still be allowed to visit and rake over their rubble for anything salvageable.

Insurance premiums will escalate for everyone in Alberta because of lack of town planning and shortsightedness of those running the town.

Gee, thanks Ft McMurray Administration, we're all going to pay for your mistakes.

The fire has now breached the Saskatchewan Border and has grown exponentially for almost two months.

There's forecast rain for the area over the coming weekend. Let's hope it helps.

Is it really too early to start taking names?

john.mcn
QUOTE (ExPOW @ 19th May 2016, 07:15pm) *
Insurance premiums will escalate for everyone in Alberta because of lack of town planning and shortsightedness of those running the town.

Gee, thanks Ft McMurray Administration, we're all going to pay for your mistakes.


How many towns across Canada were prepared for something like that and how many held meetings to make sure they will be in the future.
Targer
Not many!
BillY Boil
Although they seemed to be totally unprepared for that bushfire in circumstances that have created such a conflagration can rapidly overwhelm any attempt to contain it. No where was more prepared then the southern area of Victoria (AUS.) but the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009 surrounded whole towns that were not seen to be in it's path and destroyed them including the inhabitants. The heat generated was fatal to 400m from the fire front. There was no centre. 173 people perished. This was in an area where all possible precautions were in effect.
angel
today I am hearing in the news , that, another 1,000 firefighters will be added to the fight for control of the Fort Mcmurray , Alberta wild fires that are still out of control . these firefighter will include more from North America , Alaska and South Africa + others . whom understand are already there .

Although , I have read that the harvesting of the oil in that region is not the cause of why these fires are so difficult to extinguished , I must admit , that , I have my doubts .
Billy Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 24th May 2016, 08:56pm) *
today I am hearing in the news , that, another 1,000 firefighters will be added to the fight for control of the Fort Mcmurray , Alberta wild fires that are still out of control . these firefighter will include more from North America , Alaska and South Africa + others . whom understand are already there .

Although , I have read that the harvesting of the oil in that region is not the cause of why these fires are so difficult to extinguished , I must admit , that , I have my doubts .

Oil cant on its own CATCH FIRE. Even petrol in your car requires a spark temperature of 3000deg. prior to ignition. As Alberta's oil is shale oil which requires a high degree of sophisticated effort to separate it from sand to liquefaction, setting it alight is not something that can spontaneously or accidentally occur.
angel
QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 25th May 2016, 10:22pm) *
Oil cant on its own CATCH FIRE. Even petrol in your car requires a spark temperature of 3000deg. prior to ignition. As Alberta's oil is shale oil which requires a high degree of sophisticated effort to separate it from sand to liquefaction, setting it alight is not something that can spontaneously or accidentally occur.


Thank you Billy for your lesson on Shale oil , much appreciated smile.gif
ExPOW
QUOTE
shale oil which requires a high degree of sophisticated effort to separate it from sand to liquefaction


Yep, it requires effort all right. So much effort that we (they) are polluting our aquafer and air, all in the hunt for our weakening dollar.

Air Pollution

Water Pollution

BTW, there are now over 2000 Firefighters assigned to the task of defeating the fire.
It was reported two days ago that smoke from the fire has reached parts of the U.K. and Spain.
Area devasted so far is in excess of 5,500,000 Hectares.

Who says we don't export enough?

Personally, I am getting sick to death of hearing about Ft. McMurray......everything from benefit concerts now to free pet grooming services for evacuees to get this.....yes free lap dances for
knuckle-dragging frequenters of local strip clubs.

I kid you not.

Lately, it has been announced (on the quiet) that a couple of bears have been shot and a few more captured and evacuated back to the bush for raiding the putrifying food "leftovers" from the fire.

A couple more charges have been laid on individuals scamming the system by falsely claiming to be evacuated residents.

Where does it end?
ExPOW
Update from the news tonight.....

Fire has grown to over 5,700,000 Hectares in size.

Our military are still sitting on their duffs with their 3-square meals a day doing nothing.

It is no surprise really that the Feds let Western Canada burn while in previous years, a small fall of wet (sic: heartattack-inducing) snow overnight in Ontario is enough to get them ("soldiers") out of their bunks and shovelling instantly.

Switching to another topic.....

What the news mis-reported the other day when our post-pubescent P.M. crossed the floor (a big no-no) and in so doing, elbowed a female NDP Member of Parliament, was that he was actually rescuing an opposition member (The Opposition Party Whip noless) who was being obstructed and prevented from taking his seat by his own party leader thus obstructing a crucial vote on a Parliamentary Bill before the house.
The Whip signalled our intrepid PM that he was having difficulty, so bold Sir Justin of Elbow rode in to the rescue.

On a happier note:

That slug Harper announced he was quitting politics to go into private business.
Twenty years too late for Canada.
angel
Our military are still sitting on their duffs with their 3-square meals a day doing nothing.

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The Military are there to help with natural disasters but they must be formally asked for help when it is needed , so , maybe EX POW , you should take this matter up with your provincial government .

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It is no surprise really that the Feds let Western Canada burn while in previous years, a small fall of wet (sic: heartattack-inducing) snow overnight in Ontario is enough to get them ("soldiers") out of their bunks and shovelling instantly.

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Regarding the Feds letting western Canada burn . I Think that you would do well to read more on that matter .

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Also on the Elbowgate incident . It was most surely a mistake made by the Prime minister , but in my opinion , most definitely a mountain made out of a molehill , and aggravated by the NDP leader at that time .... Mulcair !
Billy Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 25th May 2016, 11:56pm) *
Thank you Billy for your lesson on Shale oil , much appreciated smile.gif

When living in Canada I spent some time with relatives of my wife. What family I have left all live in Canada.
The person I was staying with was the father of an oil company executive who is also the owner of the oil producer. During my stay I was subjected to an endless documentary made by the gentleman's company on extraction of shale oil in Alberta. Where as I learned a lot about a subject I had no prior knowledge of. I would not wish the experience to be repeated in any shape, form or otherwise.
Billy Boil
QUOTE (ExPOW @ 26th May 2016, 08:17pm) *
Yep, it requires effort all right. So much effort that we (they) are polluting our aquafer and air, all in the hunt for our weakening dollar.

Air Pollution

Water Pollution

BTW, there are now over 2000 Firefighters assigned to the task of defeating the fire.
It was reported two days ago that smoke from the fire has reached parts of the U.K. and Spain.
Area devasted so far is in excess of 5,500,000 Hectares.

Who says we don't export enough?

Personally, I am getting sick to death of hearing about Ft. McMurray......everything from benefit concerts now to free pet grooming services for evacuees to get this.....yes free lap dances for
knuckle-dragging frequenters of local strip clubs.

I kid you not.

Lately, it has been announced (on the quiet) that a couple of bears have been shot and a few more captured and evacuated back to the bush for raiding the putrifying food "leftovers" from the fire.

A couple more charges have been laid on individuals scamming the system by falsely claiming to be evacuated residents.

Where does it end?

Look at it this way - you are complaining about the biggest, most pristine and best ordered country in the world . It is also one of the richest countries in the word with indigenous population besides, has also one of the most looked after in terms of health and social security citizen ship in the world. Most of the riches derived from mining, oil, lumber and exploitation of natural resources. Be happy you are living in a country with such obvious benefits and above all freedoms that many envy.
Billy Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 25th May 2016, 11:56pm) *
Thank you Billy for your lesson on Shale oil , much appreciated smile.gif

I am not writing this for any other reason than to answer uninformed speculation. ,When living in Canada for a period I was staying with my wife's distant relatives. The person we were staying with was the father of an oil company executive. He is also owner of the company producing oil. I was unfortunate enough to sit through hours of film made by his son's company on shale oil extraction. Where as it gave me an insight into the oil industry in Canada, I would not wish under any circumstances to repeat the process.
ExPOW
We have a history of;

Heavy metals deposits in our watershed wherever there are mines, diamond, silver, gold, uranium, platinum or whatever. Arsenic and other toxins are also present. We have radioactive Radon permeating our rock beds all over the country. Uranium mines speak for themselves. We have toxins from oilsands collecting ponds and other petroleum refineries and distillation processes. We have hydrogen sulphide (H2S) seeping from the 80,000-odd abandoned oilwells in Alberta alone and we have the unnatural air pollution in every major city from car exhausts and factory emissions.

We import radioactive junk from America for disposal in some eastern dumpsites.

Our fishing industry went out of business largely because our offshore stocks of cod were vacuumed up almost to a single shoal.

Naturally, we have our share of problems with infestation. Dutch Elm Disease and the Pine Beetle are decimating large tracts of forests and our eastern lakes are being invaded by foreign carp. Our winters are nolonger cold or long enough to kill off the malicious insects.

Residents of Ft. Mac have been warned that deposited fire ash contains toxic contaminants.

It is unfortunate that you were subjected to professional propaganda that resulted in some incorrect assertions. Who best to paint a rosier picture of the oil industry than someone directly filming it from the inside?

We have manmade disasters where pipelines rupture more than seldom or trains carrying oil explode in builtup centres. We scar the land with pipeling laying and electricity grid expansion (often through populated centres) lines.

Even in our National Parks, fish caught at the source of natural springs and glacial flows are found to contain deadly dioxins. We have an advised limit on Salmon consumption for all and more for expectant mothers from the mercury in the fish. We now have to face airborne threats from virus carrying mosquitos.

Our ice shield and glaciers are receeding due to global warming.
It is you who is uninformed and no, we DON"T have a pristine environment.
I'd love to own a pair of rose-coloured glasses too.
I'd wear them every day.
wombat
laugh.gif laugh.gif
Billy Boil
QUOTE (ExPOW @ 5th Jun 2016, 10:05pm) *
We have a history of;

Heavy metals deposits in our watershed wherever there are mines, diamond, silver, gold, uranium, platinum or whatever. Arsenic and other toxins are also present. We have radioactive Radon permeating our rock beds all over the country. Uranium mines speak for themselves. We have toxins from oilsands collecting ponds and other petroleum refineries and distillation processes. We have hydrogen sulphide (H2S) seeping from the 80,000-odd abandoned oilwells in Alberta alone and we have the unnatural air pollution in every major city from car exhausts and factory emissions.

We import radioactive junk from America for disposal in some eastern dumpsites.

Our fishing industry went out of business largely because our offshore stocks of cod were vacuumed up almost to a single shoal.

Naturally, we have our share of problems with infestation. Dutch Elm Disease and the Pine Beetle are decimating large tracts of forests and our eastern lakes are being invaded by foreign carp. Our winters are nolonger cold or long enough to kill off the malicious insects.

Residents of Ft. Mac have been warned that deposited fire ash contains toxic contaminants.

It is unfortunate that you were subjected to professional propaganda that resulted in some incorrect assertions. Who best to paint a rosier picture of the oil industry than someone directly filming it from the inside?

We have manmade disasters where pipelines rupture more than seldom or trains carrying oil explode in builtup centres. We scar the land with pipeling laying and electricity grid expansion (often through populated centres) lines.

Even in our National Parks, fish caught at the source of natural springs and glacial flows are found to contain deadly dioxins. We have an advised limit on Salmon consumption for all and more for expectant mothers from the mercury in the fish. We now have to face airborne threats from virus carrying mosquitos.

Our ice shield and glaciers are receeding due to global warming.
It is you who is uninformed and no, we DON"T have a pristine environment.
I'd love to own a pair of rose-coloured glasses too.
I'd wear them every day.

I had no idea ( even having lived there Nakusp, Surrey, East Burnaby Sannich) that Canada was such an ecological disaster area and third world in terms of exploitation of people and resources. I can't imagine why you would want to live your life. In such a destructive environment. Should you not apply to emigrate to Europe or Asia with it's perfection of blissfully appointed and unpolluted states.
angel
This is the full text of President Obama's speech to the Canadian Parliament that took place today , Wed. 29- 6- 2016 in Ottawa after the trade talks between , Mexico , Canada and the U.S.A.

I thought some just might be interested .

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/president-...ament-1.3659229
Billy Boil
Breaking news yesterday. Canada second after Finland (some say Norway) as the most contented and comfortable country to live in. It would have been world best but for a trivial technicality.

Best cities to live in (quality of life) 1. Melbourne. 2 Vienna . 3. Vancouver. 4. Toronto. 5. Calgary.
angel
QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 1st Jul 2016, 07:57am) *
Breaking news yesterday. Canada second after Finland (some say Norway) as the most contented and comfortable country to live in. It would have been world best but for a trivial technicality.

Best cities to live in (quality of life) 1. Melbourne. 2 Vienna . 3. Vancouver. 4. Toronto. 5. Calgary.


Well Billy we nearly made it to Melbourne yes.gif but I literally reneged at the last moment , that caused trouble in our marriage but we did weather the storm and ended up in Canada , and not unhappy about that decision ,especially my husband , he was happy with that move so that was good . biggrin.gif
Billy Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 1st Jul 2016, 09:06pm) *
Well Billy we nearly made it to Melbourne yes.gif but I literally reneged at the last moment , that caused trouble in our marriage but we did weather the storm and ended up in Canada , and not unhappy about that decision ,especially my husband , he was happy with that move so that was good . biggrin.gif

I wrote that article mainly in reply to one of your fellow expats who seemed to gratuitously denigrate all things Canadian from government to environment. Likewise I have seen some here denigrating Australia while living here and obviously not enjoying the experience. I have flown from Canada to the U.K. and it took a very short time and not for a great deal of money. Landing in Australia with $60 in my pocket, after seven weeks I had made enough, had I wished to, buy my fare back to U.K. Canada may have faults, but then there are those who would find fault with "Shangrila".
angel
You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.”
angel
Billy , I see that Australia just had an Election so what will happen now , concerning those results .
Dykejumper
PIlot's song in praise of Canada

Canada, you got an open door
You got so many things
I swear, I never saw them before
So much more, you got a world in store
You got a home from home, got a hold so strong
Can't seem to ignore

These things I do
I do for nobody else but me

A look out California
Ooo-ooo, I gotta warn ya
Here comes Canada

Canada, you proved your worth

You got snow peaked mountains tumbling down
You had them from birth
Say it clear, so the world can hear
I swear I never left you
Without shedding a tear
Billy Boil
QUOTE (angel @ 3rd Jul 2016, 05:29pm) *
Billy , I see that Australia just had an Election so what will happen now , concerning those results .

Shock result the trade union controlled Labor (that's the spelling here) part have not gained enough seats to form a government but will continue to disrupt all attempts by the majority Liberal government to govern. The trade unionists make up 13% of the working population and when compulsory enforced unionism is taken into account, this figure would be less than 8%;they make up 90% of the Labor party seats in parliament shadow cabinet. Democracy in action. Because we have proportional representation in Australia, parties such as The prostitutes party, the car enthusiasts party, extreme American style fundamentalist Christians, Racist based parties (was anti Asian now anti Muslim) the shooters party and a plethora of Independents who represent their salaries and little else.

Being a pseudo socialist party their extreme members and their Green party allies will. as they did in their last stint allow the surge of illegal boat arrivals allow unfettered access to Australian welfare. In their last stint illegal arrivals amounted to 39000 still out there somewhere and living a life of Riley.

Their local arm in Victoria forced members of the Country Fire Authority to join the fire fighters union and pay their dues. These people were coerced, forced to join a union. Here's the point they the C.F.A. are all unpaid volunteers! Next the Pensioners Union?

We will be having a long period of disruption and instability. Labor's proportion of primary votes 37%.
angel
well Billy it looks from here that Australia is still counting to determine who will be your Prime minister , I hope that you will be satisfied with the result ,

I must admit that you lost me after you had named all those other parties , but is not variety the spice of life biggrin.gif anyway I do hope that the new government will have an decent number of seats and be able to govern the country .

I'm thinking that A Pensioners Union ain't a bad idea cool3.gif we could do with that in Canada .
angel
Well !.. in this morning's news the body of a young 5yr old child whose mother was murdered this week in their home , has been found somewhere out in the boonies of northern Calgary , however for what it is worth , the police are saying that she too was murdered in their family home but the sicko dropped the little girls body off , outside of the City, he is of course in custody , " He is not co'operating with the police "

I am well aware that these horrors occur in most countries but it seems to me , all to often these day's , ........ this has been going on forever. " probably ! " .

Just yesterday in the States , a halfwitted S.O.B tried to blow up his home , but luckily his family was able to run to safety . and of course those 5 policemen who where gunned down , and the other two men who where gunned down by police before those 5 policemen where shot . " Tit For Tat .

YES , it's a great world ! does anyone on this board have solutions to all of these problems including the latest massacre in France . instead of bitching about them

I might add that here in Ontario, the provincial government has given the first nations people the chance to buy shares in ,

Hydro 1 " which is a public utility but also partially owned by the provincial government . I do hope that this works out .
GG
QUOTE (angel @ 15th Jul 2016, 05:37pm) *
YES , it's a great world ! does anyone on this board have solutions to all of these problems including the latest massacre in France . instead of bitching about them

Angel, people on the boards are discussing, not bitching.

The solution is perfectly simply: have politicians in a position of real power, where they are willing to act in the best collective interest of the people, rather than for themselves or for their corporate/ideological sponsors.

GG.
angel
QUOTE (GG @ 15th Jul 2016, 05:12pm) *
Angel, people on the boards are discussing, not bitching.

The solution is perfectly simply: have politicians in a position of real power, where they are willing to act in the best collective interest of the people, rather than for themselves or for their corporate/ideological sponsors.

GG.


As far as I am concerned , it is so very simple for posters to come up
with negative opinions under the guise of discussion , and in this instance not very much brain power involved , negativity coming from others in my mind is simply opposition without any thought of ,, ,, "can we truly fix these horrors that are occurring all over the planet "

Regarding your words on , Having politicians in a position of real power , now how is that done .
GG
Angel, in my opinion, it's about dismantling the centralised structures of power – the parliamentary, regulatory, tax and education systems – that create and protect huge wealth for a very tiny percentage of the population. Destroy the obscene excesses that privilege brings and that would be a start to wider opportunity and empowerment.... then devolve real power away from Westminster and into metropolitan, regional and national assemblies, so that dispersed power can serve the needs of the people, closer to where that need resides. These assemblies in a federal system would have wide-ranging powers that, at the same time, would be more transparent and accountable to the people. It might also be the last chance to save the Union!

GG.
angel
QUOTE (GG @ 15th Jul 2016, 07:09pm) *
Angel, in my opinion, it's about dismantling the centralised structures of power – the parliamentary, regulatory, tax and education systems – that create and protect huge wealth for a very tiny percentage of the population. Destroy the obscene excesses that privilege brings and that would be a start to wider opportunity and empowerment.... then devolve real power away from Westminster and into metropolitan, regional and national assemblies, so that dispersed power can serve the needs of the people, closer to where that need resides. These assemblies in a federal system would have wide-ranging powers that, at the same time, would be more transparent and accountable to the people. It might also be the last chance to save the Union!

GG.


GG. , I thought that Scotland had power over her own tax system and was given more responsibility over it , this year

I also understand that Scotland runs it's own education system but when it comes to the rich living off the middle classes, maybe it's time Hollyrood should up the taxes of the rich but then they the rich would probably leave the country .

I do agree that Scotland should be given more real power as you say ,

However , I don't think that any of your suggestion's would put a stop to corruption ,it goes on in all levels of government no matter the country .
Billy Boil
QUOTE (GG @ 15th Jul 2016, 06:12pm) *
Angel, people on the boards are discussing, not bitching.

The solution is perfectly simply: have politicians in a position of real power, where they are willing to act in the best collective interest of the people, rather than for themselves or for their corporate/ideological sponsors.

GG.

C'mon G.G.! Hus youse been readin' Mary Poppins again'???
angel
As the drain cover in the basement shower at home had broken, I took the time to go into our local hardware store ,hoping that they would have what I needed , but no such luck ! ... that type of drain cover in no longer manufactured , " It's ancient biggrin.gif " which left me with a couple of options , I either had the basement pulled apart or move house . I wasn't going to shower over a hole in the shower floor tongue.gif , anyway , the person who was dealing with me , said " not to worry and bring the cover back onMonday and he would make a new one .

Now ! is that not service or is that not service , !!!!!!!!

probably wouldn't GET that sort of service from , Home Depot or others in the same business .

IT'S JUST BEEN SUCH A GREAT DAY , TO BE REMINDED HOW GREAT IT IS TO BE A CONSUMER IN THE REGION IN WHICH I LIVE , and I HOPE THIS SITUATION WILL CONTINUE . AS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN .
Billy Boil
QUOTE (GG @ 15th Jul 2016, 08:09pm) *
Angel, in my opinion, it's about dismantling the centralised structures of power – the parliamentary, regulatory, tax and education systems – that create and protect huge wealth for a very tiny percentage of the population. Destroy the obscene excesses that privilege brings and that would be a start to wider opportunity and empowerment.... then devolve real power away from Westminster and into metropolitan, regional and national assemblies, so that dispersed power can serve the needs of the people, closer to where that need resides. These assemblies in a federal system would have wide-ranging powers that, at the same time, would be more transparent and accountable to the people. It might also be the last chance to save the Union!

GG.

You have read "Animal Farm" and "1984" ???
angel
Today in the news , I heard such a nice story about a retired couple in Winnipeg who bought 100 used bikes , some in better condition than others
and the husband spent his time repairing them and when he was satisfied that all were in good condition he gave them to the refugee children in his area . Such happy Children and parents . clap.gif
bilbo.s
Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove. ˇAsí es la vida!
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 21st Aug 2016, 08:41am) *
Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove. ˇAsí es la vida!


Bloody foreigners.........They come over ere' and clog up our cycle paths like they own the bleedin' place. wink.gif
angel
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 21st Aug 2016, 07:41am) *
Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove. ˇAsí es la vida!


Yes, life is good , its just those negatives we come across.
C'est la vie .
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 21st Aug 2016, 10:25am) *
Bloody foreigners.........They come over ere' and clog up our cycle paths like they own the bleedin' place. ;)


When I read Angel's post #234, telling us that a retired Winnipeg couple had bought and repaired 100 bikes to give to refugee children, my reaction was,"That was great, well done". However this was spoiled for me by the subsequent posts made by Bilbo and Jagz. It was also depressing that Angel came back with another post, #237, supporting Bilbo's negative post.

What I also find confusing, is that Angel posted prior to this, in her post#228, said

"As far as I am concerened, it is very simple for posters to come up with negative opinions under the guise of discussion"

What she is really saying, as is Bilbo, "If you don't agree with me, then don't bother posting".

Regarding the quote from Jagz above, there is one point he has overlooked. Are the couple from Winnipeg, direct descendants of the original people who once lived in what is now Canada, long before Europeans arrived and stole the land from them? If they are fine. If not, then they are descendants of the Europeans who stole the land from the indigenous people. In other words, they are descendants of the 'bloody foreigners'

One of the things that dismays me is that some people feel so good about themselves, when it comes to people like Nelson Mandela. "We have named a street after him in Glasgow. We showed these White rascists in South Africa that apartheid has no support from Scotland".

Ask anybody and everybody you know in Scotland, if they are aware that 'apartheid' has existed in Canada since the arrival of the 'White Man' and they will probably look at you in disbelief.

The dictionary definition of apartheid, is "The system of racial segregation and discrimination formerly in force in South Africa". I have had to apply this term to Canada because when I went to school there, the indigenous people were never given a mention during history classes. It was all about the European explorers, and how rivers were given the names of some of them, like 'Fraser'. All we were taught about the 'Red Indians' was that they carried the canoes and supplies overland for the Explorers; sorry, I should have said, "Bloody Foreigners'. We were never told the 'Bloody Foreigners' actually stole the land.

In one of her latest posts Angel says that "First Nations People' will be allowed to by shares in a public utility. Isn't that a wonderful gesture by the Canadians! The year is 2016, nearly 400 years after the White Man came, they can buy shares. Wow.

I went back in 2006 for the closing ceremony of the school I had been to. While there, I read a newspaper report. Somewhere in Canada, the 'Red Indians' had put up a road block. This was to stop 'Canadians' from getting into their houses in a newly built development. The 'Natives' claimed that this piece of land had been given to them by the British for assisting them in the war with the French.

One reader had a letter published. he said, " This is Canada, It is our laws that apply". Now these were not his exact words, but they explain the sentiment of his letter.

Finally, about one month ago, there was a TV programme giving an historical account about how Europeans decimated the indigenous population of the Western side of Canada and the North Western side of the USA. Rather than go into detail suffice to say, that we, the 'Bloody Foreigners' were just as bad as ISIS is today.

Danny Harris
JAGZ1876
Wow, you're in a right mood today Danny, what happened, did your Sunday Post not arrive? laugh.gif
angel
There has been many governments in Canada over the year's long before confederation and afterwards , but not one has done a decent job regarding our First Nations , but I for one hope that our present government will do a better job than has been done in the past and give our indigenous peoples the human right to look forward to a better future .

However I would suggest that Danny take up his cause with the Canadian government and who knows I might even be deported . LOL
DannyH
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 21st Aug 2016, 07:24pm) *
Wow, you're in a right mood today Danny, what happened, did your Sunday Post not arrive? :lol:


Hello Jagz

No, I am not in any mood. I thought this was a forum for debate, and not for one-liners of negativity. I am of the opinion that we should learn from history. Look at a map of the world, especially the American continents. 'Bloody foreigners' as you aptly named them, spilled the blood of countless civilizations there. The problem is that those civilizations are gone forever.

The world is millions of years old. So in a relatively short period of time, Europeans changed the world forever. I was told at school that the natives welcomed the Europeans. Look where that got them!

Regards

Danny
DannyH
QUOTE (angel @ 21st Aug 2016, 08:15pm) *
There has been many governments in Canada over the year's long before confederation and afterwards , but not one has done a decent job regarding our First Nations , but I for one hope that our present government will do a better job than has been done in the past and give our indigenous peoples the human right to look forward to a better future .

However I would suggest that Danny take up his cause with the Canadian government and who knows I might even be deported . LOL



Hello Angel

All I can say is that your first paragraph above gave me hope that you were posting a reasoned reply. However, your closing sentence just made me shake my head in despair.

Danny Harris
Betsy2009
A step forward is better than a step backwards.
wombat
laugh.gif laugh.gif its aw yon Bilbo's fault rolleyes.gif yes.gif
Billy Boil
QUOTE (DannyH @ 21st Aug 2016, 09:27pm) *
Hello Jagz

No, I am not in any mood. I thought this was a forum for debate, and not for one-liners of negativity. I am of the opinion that we should learn from history. Look at a map of the world, especially the American continents. 'Bloody foreigners' as you aptly named them, spilled the blood of countless civilizations there. The problem is that those civilizations are gone forever.

The world is millions of years old. So in a relatively short period of time, Europeans changed the world forever. I was told at school that the natives welcomed the Europeans. Look where that got them!

Regards

Danny

Your grasp of history (world) starts with European violence extended to native peoples the world over. What it does not acknowledge is the progress engendered by this 'White Invaders evil personified mentality". Most if not all lands prior to European incursion, existed in states of constant warfare, and if not warfare, fear of conflict and dispossession. Native American tribes were in states of territorial disputation leading to annihilation of some tribal groupings EG. Yelloknives tribe in Canada wiped out by Dogrib tribe. Only 13% of natives of the Americas did not engage in some form of warfare against their neighbours. This Pre Columbian. Before making assertions and bleeding heart observations about what the "terrible awful" whiteys did to the poor natives read what they did to each other. Crow Creek Dakota a century before Columbus a mass grave of 500 men and children was excavated. Young women were not in evidence in the grave. Guess where they went. As Hobbs stated in " Leviathan " the situation without government was chaotic and terrifying" (1651).

There are innumerable examples of pre European internecine warfare world wide. To make an unemotive and often inaccurate appraisal of historical precedent it may be in order to make a small effort at establishing fact over fantasy; no matter how appealing those fantasies me seem when presenting spurious arguments.

Most of above examples:
Myth of the Peaceful Savage.
Lawrence H. Keely ( archaeologist University of .Illinois)
Pub. Oxford University Press.;
Bill Boil
QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 21st Aug 2016, 09:41pm) *
A step forward is better than a step backwards.

Not if you are stepping over a precipice.
angel
I see that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will be visiting western Canada in Sept. and bringing their children with them , that will be very nice smile.gif
angel
An Ontario teenager 15yrs of age was reprimanded by police officers after calling 911 , saying that she was forced to go on vacation with her parents .
Betsy2009
Oh the poor wee lass. No wonder she called the police. laugh.gif
Such terrible parents.
angel



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