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ktv
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It is hard to decide what was more repugnant at the Tory Party Conference recently: the sight of a packed auditorium in Birmingham applauding the prime minister's pledge to cut the benefits of 10million families, or the applause that greeted his pledge to scrap human rights legislation.

Trying to fathom the mindset of those who get their jollies at the prospect of reducing millions of their fellow citizens to destitution is quite a challenge. But, nonetheless, if we are to understand the attributes of your average Tory, it is one that has to be taken on. In this regard the legendary words of Nye Bevan in 1948 have yet to be bettered. Bevan asserted that:

No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

The 'bitter experiences' the former Labour minister for health recounts were rooted in a poverty stricken childhood in South Wales, when working class families such as his lived a precarious existence on the precipice of disaster and destitution without an NHS or welfare state to protect them. Those things arrived in Britain courtesy of the 1945 Labour government, of which he was a key member, and in 2014 are in the process of being rolled back.

The reality of Britain in 2014 is as stark as it gets. We are now a society that has been dragged back to the nineteenth century in service to a political creed which stands as living proof that not all sociopaths are behind bars. The relentless assault on people guilty of the 'crimes' of unemployment and poverty is something that social historians will record years hence in horror that such a level of injustice could even be imagined, much less countenanced.

The truism that 'We have met the enemy and they are us' applies. Never mind ISIS, terrorism, or any external threat to the British people. The real enemy lies within. It is a Conservative Party and government who have extended themselves in using the fallout from a global economic crisis, which hit these shores in the late summer of 2007 with the collapse of Northern Rock, to wage war - for war is exactly what it is - against the working poor, disabled, and the unemployed under the rubric of austerity. Despite the bluster and attempt to bamboozle, it is a project that was undertaken with the objective of affecting the transference of wealth from the poor to the rich, the very constituency the Tory Party exists to serve and represent. Up to now this project has been inordinately successful.

In September 2013 Oxfam published a report on the impact of austerity on the UK's poorest families and low wage workers. Among its findings were:

The stated aim of austerity was to reduce the deficit in the UK to give confidence to the markets and therefore deliver growth to the economy. While austerity measures have had some impact on reducing the deficit, they have delivered little growth, and public debt has risen from 56.6% of GDP in July 200911 to 90% of GDP (1.39trillion) in 2013.12 The policies have also had far-reaching impacts on the poorest people in the UK. In 2010, the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government announced the biggest cuts to state spending since the Second World War, 13 including significant cuts to social security and the planned loss of 900,000 public sector jobs between 2011 and 2018.

Since the 2008 financial crisis began, those already in poverty have seen their impoverishment worsen, and millions more have become more vulnerable.

You might think that such a damning verdict on the impact of austerity not only on millions of people but on its stated objective of returning growth to the economy would give its proponents pause for reflection. You'd be wrong. On the contrary, at this year's party conference, Chancellor George Osborne was positively glowing when he announced the plan to introduce a two-year freeze on both in work and out of work benefits, announcing:

Working age benefits in Britain will have to be frozen for two years. This is the choice Britain needs to take to protect our economic stability and to secure a better future. The fairest way to reduce welfare bills is to make sure that benefits are not rising faster than the wages of the taxpayers who are paying for them. For we will provide a welfare system that is fair to those who need it, and fair to those who pay for it too. This freeze in working age benefits saves the country over 3billion. It is a serious contribution to reducing the deficit.

In response to this fresh round of attacks on welfare and benefit claimants, charities based in Scotland came together to lambast the Tory proposals. Shelter Scotland, Citizens Advice Scotland, Shelter Scotland, the Child Poverty Action Group, SCVO, the Poverty Alliance, Positive Action in Housing, Barnardo's in Scotland, the Poverty Truth Commission, the Big Issue and the Trussell Trust have issued warnings regarding the human impact of fresh benefit cuts. They include an increasing reliance on foodbanks, pay day loans, and rising homelessness. With 3.5million children already living in poverty across the UK - surely a badge of shame in any industrialised economy - one can only ponder the warped humanity of those who consider poverty a personal failing rather than a consequence of injustice and inequality.

When it comes to the proposal to scrap the Human Rights Act, it is chilling to consider that Nuremberg in the 1930s was probably the last time an audience in Europe cheered a leader's pledge to remove human rights protections. Such historical parallels are lost on those for whom human rights legislation is an inconvenience rather than a necessary check on untrammelled political power, however.

Amnesty International issued a statement in response:

The steady drum beat of threats to dismantle human rights protections for people in the UK reached a manic crescendo this week.
These latest reports beggar belief and, if true, reveal a plan which is both immature and ill conceived.

Cameron appears intent on rubbishing the UK's commitment to human rights and so undermining its influence as a moral authority on the world stage. He must not cast aside the reasonable arguments against this course of action.

Lest we forget we are talking about a European court which oversees governments and has previously reprimanded the UK government when it wanted to indefinitely retain the DNA of innocent people, when it placed restrictions on the freedom of the press and when it decided that it was happy to indefinitely detain terror suspects without charge or trial.
We allow Cameron to rip away this safety net at our peril.

With the next UK general election now a mere eight months away, the stakes could not be higher. The prospect of another five years of the Tories in power, and worse a Tory majority government, is a chilling one.

The time has come to consign not only this government of the rich, and by the rich to history, but also the ideology of greed, selfishness, and avarice that underpins it.


By John Wright in the Huffington Post.

some would say the best way to stop the tories is to vote for their clone party labour, however labour have very little chance of winning the next election (or the one after that) and even if they did their recent actions (or inactions) have shown there would be very little change in policy if they some how miraculously did.

the SNP now have over 100,000 members so I believe the only way to get rid of this ruling elite is to wholly vote for them at every election to either (1) get us away from them totally or (2) have enough SNP MPs in Westminster to simply filibuster their every move..

obviously I know some would rather starve to death than vote snp so if you are of that ilk could you put forward your suggestions.
Melody
Brilliant post ktv.

"no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party that inflicted those bitter experiences on me. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin."

How true, those words might have been my own. I personally, probably like most of us only have to look no further back than my wonderful grandparents to see desperate poverty and I detest those who inflicted those living conditions on them and all the other poor souls who lived and live today under such deprivation.

I could cry when I think that by a simple cross for YES in the referendum we may have eradicated the Tories and the now Red Tories from Scotland and yet those thoughtless and selfish no voters have now left us at the mercy of Westminster.

We'll keep fighting though.
ktv
well said Melody

its not over by a long shot wink.gif
ktv


says it all
Ruchazie Rat
QUOTE (Melody @ 8th Oct 2014, 11:02am) *
Brilliant post ktv.

I could cry when I think that by a simple cross for YES in the referendum we may have eradicated the Tories and the now Red Tories from Scotland and yet those thoughtless and selfish no voters have now left us at the mercy of Westminster.


I wonder if those "floating" voters, especially the "pledge" mugs, fully realised what they have truly pissed away. Now we are beyond the Party Conference Circuses, I fancy a significant number have regretted their chronic social negligence in fully considering the crossroads they stood at...

Serves them damn right. They elected to keep subscribing to the lie "we`re all in this together" so, Hell slap it in to them, as my old teacher used to crone.

Tragic that their ignorance and studipity has dragged down the rest of us with them.

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Glasgow Guest
As a chronically socially negligent person with an unusually well developed sense of social justice and an acute awareness of my social responsibilities, I am not at all regretful that my vote did not take us down the primrose path to the false haven of Scottish independence. I am even grateful that my ignorance and stupidity has spared us a country and a government that has scant regard for the democratic expression of the will of the Scottish people - 55% of whom voted to remain with the Union.
lubbock
I for one have absolutely no concerns ,remorse or regrets about my democratic right to vote whichever way I choose..In this instance I voted NO for a number of reasons ...Stability, A wish to remain part of the UK,A deep distrust of Salmond & co,the prospect of Scotland becoming a third or fourth rate nation ...I!m not going to debate the reasons why ...The vast majority of Scots rejected the idea of Independance.Lets hope we never hear about it again .....oops I forgot about the 45 ...Another reason for staying in the union ...Those misguided few who support the losers of the 45..have in effect stuck up two fingers at democracy ...we lost but wearer not accepting the result ..how could anyone want to attach themselves to a undemocratic group such as this led by malcontents and failed socialist traitors....get over it you lost big time
Melody
Och poor lubbock, don't greet, you too can have a wee 45 on your avatar if you ask nicely. you'll feel a lot better about yourself honestly. laugh.gif
lubbock
Greet!!....I'm estatic Scotland has rejected independance house prices are rising, the feel good factor is back, Salmond is offski,I'm off on holiday,so sorry I'll miss the twelfth of never ball..hope the weather remains nice though...
john.mcn


I hear you can get a good deal on Liberian holidays at the moment.
Dylan
The Tories have declared war on Scotland ?

No worse than before the Referendum.

Declare war on the Tories and not your fellow Scots.

Scotland voted NO. Get over it.

I cannot believe some on here say they will not speak to No voters and one Macho Natz, says he would not drink in same Pub as a No voter rolleyes.gif ?????
lubbock
The 45s have manipulated the gullible and the misguided into this fantasmic conspiracy of vote rigging ,the so called project fear ,and the belief that they were robbed..The truth is a lot simpler they were let down by the inability of Salmond & co to convince the Scottish people that Independance was the right choice,and the fact that the vast majority of Scots wanted to remain within the Union.Oh..and most importantly the democratic process won the day.....enjoy yourselves on the twelfth and don't be fooled by those speaking the are only trying to stay in the forever fading limelight....
Dylan
Democracy can be a bitch .

Hardly worth the dying for !
john.mcn
QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Oct 2014, 07:44pm) *
Declare war on the Tories and not your fellow Scots.


Plenty of Tories about in Scotland, or are you saying they aren't real Scots?
Dylan
Not a very good riposte ?.

Where are your Braveheart Pals when you need them .
lubbock
Talking about pubs D.. Here's some the 45 might have visited ....Bonkers ...Fiddlers....The grapes (sour)...quite sure there are many more ...Ok then you 45s you can join in as well..
john.mcn
QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Oct 2014, 08:16pm) *
Not a very good riposte ?.

Where are your Braveheart Pals when you need them .


over a 1/4 of a million people voted for the Tories at the last Scottish election, you have described them as not your fellow Scots.

QUOTE (lubbock @ 9th Oct 2014, 08:18pm) *
Talking about pubs D.. Here's some the 45 might have visited ....Bonkers ...Fiddlers....The grapes (sour)...quite sure there are many more ...Ok then you 45s you can join in as well..


Pretty sure the grapes bar is your lot.
lubbock
And how can you be pretty sure of that ?
john.mcn


Because i can!
Dylan
"over a 1/4 of a million people voted for the Tories at the last Scottish election, you have described them as not your fellow Scots.

No I did not, never would, ? I respect their right to be Scottish Tories !.

Where did you get that from ?.

Before 18th you were calling them Traitors together with the rest of the Natz.

BTW, I was also a Traitor !.

You are becoming ridiculous now.

Holyrood made a very bad decision, accept and admit it.

You know it makes sense biggrin.gif
lubbock
Because you can't .....
Dylan
Yes I can !.
lubbock
Oh no you.......
john.mcn
QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Oct 2014, 08:39pm) *
"over a 1/4 of a million people voted for the Tories at the last Scottish election, you have described them as not your fellow Scots.


No I did not, never would, ? I respect their right to be Scottish Tories !.

Where did you get that from ?.


From you!


QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Oct 2014, 07:44pm) *
Declare war on the Tories and not your fellow Scots.


If you are saying the above then you are stating your fellow Scots are not Tories, in other words you dont see Tories as Scots

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Before 18th you were calling them Traitors together with the rest of the Natz.

BTW, I was also a Traitor !.

You are becoming ridiculous now.

Holyrood made a very bad decision, accept and admit it.

You know it makes sense biggrin.gif


If i was calling you or others here traitors then you will have the link to the post backing it up wont you.

The SG made the decision awarding the contract to the best tender, we are part of the EU and as such any company from a fellow EU member can put forward their proposal, your obvious bigotry against foreigners is not reason enough not to award the contract to the Dutch, who i have always found to be pleasant and welcoming. You might take lessons from them, once you've mastered the art of ctrl/c and ctrl/v .


wombat
tongue.gif oh yes I can, yes I can ,oh yes I can, tongue.gif
Dylan
I can , but I have now lost the will to do so biggrin.gif
Melody
Ah'm losing the will to live reading these no voters posts. Is that lubbock away on holiday? Hope it's a very, very, very long holiday. laugh.gif Pity it wisnae a group holiday for the 'misguided and bewildered' (polite words) no voters. laugh.gif There must be a home for the bewildered that would be ideal for them somewhere very, very far away.

lubbock
What's up.. Is it all getting to you...
Melody
QUOTE (lubbock @ 10th Oct 2014, 09:05am) *
What's up.. Is it all getting to you...


Not me, ah'm not the one who's going on holiday. laugh.gif Mind and take yer mask in case anyone talks tae ye about the result because they think yer crazy just as us 45'ers do. laugh.gif
ktv
so what the no voters grand scheme to rid all of Scotland the rues of the tory party was the question.

so house prices have gone up....meaning poorer people cant buy them...great.
no much stability for those feeling the further effects of tory policy in hammering the poorest in society while continuing to cut tax for the wealthy.

what is the plan?...just live with it?

does anyone else get the overwhelming impression of im alright jack from the no voters on here?
Dylan
House prices have gone up all over Britain

There are poor folk all over Britain.

Stop being so insular, unite to fight the Tories or is your hatred of " Sharing " to great tongue.gif
bilbo.s
Stop being so insular - stop complaining about fellow Europeans winning rail contracts . laugh.gif
ktv
QUOTE (Dylan @ 10th Oct 2014, 11:07am) *
House prices have gone up all over Britain

There are poor folk all over Britain.

Stop being so insular, unite to fight the Tories or is your hatred of " Sharing " to great tongue.gif


none of that answers my question though does it.

unite with who to fight the tories?

surely not their clone party known as labour?

so who....what your grand plan to rid us of them?
Dylan
I am not and have never a member of the Labour Party but I have been on countless Demos. with
like minded people from all factions of left wing Polics .

That's who , don't ask them to show their SNP Memebership Card.

Unite !.
Dave Grieve
QUOTE (Dylan @ 10th Oct 2014, 12:07pm) *
Stop being so insular, unite to fight the Tories or is your hatred of " Sharing " to great tongue.gif


Your a man of unfathomable ideas Dylan you had your chance to get rid of the Tories forever, you had your chance to get rid of Nuclear weapons forever yet you chose to vote to keep them. wink.gif
ktv
so Dylan pray tell how your going to unite the left wing factions and get THEM to unite for a single vote to get rid of the tories.

your left wing factions arent known for their coming together now are they.

Dylan
Fingers in ears.

LALALALALALA
Melody
QUOTE (ktv @ 10th Oct 2014, 12:16pm) *
so Dylan pray tell how your going to unite the left wing factions and get THEM to unite for a single vote to get rid of the tories.

your left wing factions arent known for their coming together now are they.



They sure aren't ktv, sadly. By the way there's a wean just posted after you making funny noises with his fingers in his ears. huh.gif
Dylan
QUOTE (Melody @ 10th Oct 2014, 12:57pm) *
They sure aren't ktv, sadly. By the way there's a wean just posted after you making funny noises with his fingers in his ears. huh.gif



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Betsy2009
More family jewels being sold off for short term gain? Is this going to be another Royal Mail disaster?


"Chancellor George Osborne has said the Government is seeking bidders for its 40% stake in the Eurostar rail service to help reduce Britain's public sector debt pile.

Potential buyers have until the end of the month to make expressions of interests.

The Government said it expects to reach "definitive agreements" in the first quarter of 2015.

The sale forms part of the Government's plan to sell 20bn of corporate and financial asset sales by 2020.

Mr Osborne said: "I am determined that we go on making the decisions to reform the British economy and tackle our debts. So we will proceed with the potential sale of the UK's shareholding in Eurostar today.

"Ensuring that we can deliver the best quality infrastructure for Britain and the best value for money for the taxpayer are key parts of our long term economic plan.

"As part of our aim to achieve 20bn from assets sales by 2020, the sale proceeds would make an important contribution to the task of reducing the public sector debt.""

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/osbor...sale/ar-BB8Ztym
irrie
Another asset going abroad no doubt.
ktv
QUOTE (Dylan @ 10th Oct 2014, 12:41pm) *
Fingers in ears.

LALALALALALA


a typical response from some one who doesn't know what to say because they cannot justify their own replies/lies

another pathetic unionist who cant see the reality of the situation we are left in because of their own selfishness.

pathetic.
Dylan
Fingers in ears.

LALALALALALA

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ktv
pathetic illiterate trolling.
Betsy2009
For heaven's sake will you ALL grow up.
Generally speaking on this site you are friendly, interesting, funny and worth reading but when it comes to politics you go straight back to the school playground.
What's wrong with you?
ktv
some people cant hold a simple conversation without spitting their dummy out the pram when they get called out for the utter rubbish they post.
Dylan
QUOTE (irrie @ 13th Oct 2014, 08:44am) *
Another asset going abroad no doubt.


Same as Scotrail !
Scotsman
Heres another one of these truly disgusting Tory muppets let loose with sickening views that show that they have declared war on society.

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Welfare reform minister Lord Freud is to remain in his job after issuing a “full and unreserved apology” for suggesting that some disabled people are “not worth” the minimum wage, Downing Street has indicated.

Labour demanded the Conservative minister’s resignation over the remark, which sparked anger from disability charities and trade unions.

But David Cameron’s spokesman said the Prime Minister has full confidence in the minister in the light of his apology.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/health/freud-...-wage-1-3573935
Ruchazie Rat
And yet still he holds on to his "job"...

And this was the guy who was pimped by New Labour as an "advisor". It would seem he`s still telling both colours of the Tory Mantra, red and blue, that he`s very much "on form" if they still fancy throwing some homers, another "advisory" role, his way.

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GG
More evidence that Labour's Better Together chums are targeting some of the most vulnerable in society, many of whom suffer problems as a direct result of the psychological and idealogical attack the Tories have inflicted on the working classes for decades:

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Cameron warns obese, alcoholics and drugs addicts: get treatment or lose your benefits

Unemployed obese people would have to diet or lose their benefits under Tory proposals.

Alcoholics, drug addicts and others with "treatable conditions" could also face being stripped of their sickness payments.

Prime Minister David Cameron said it was "not fair" that taxpayers were being asked to fund welfare for those who refused help.

However former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell, who had a well-publicised battle with booze and is an Alcohol Concern ambassador, said the proposal was a "stupid little stunt," said the Prime Minister was "pathetic" and was not taking the problem of addiction seriously.

Around 100,000 with treatable conditions are receiving sickness benefits and there is currently no requirement for them to undertake treatment.

The Prime Minister said: "Too many people are stuck on sickness benefits because of issues that could be addressed but instead are not.

"Some have drug or alcohol problems, but refuse treatment. In other cases people have problems with their weight that could be addressed, but instead a life on benefits rather than work becomes the choice.

"It is not fair to ask hard-working taxpayers to fund the benefits of people who refuse to accept the support and treatment that could help them get back to a life of work.

"The next Conservative government is determined to make sure that the hardest to help get the support they need to get them back to a fulfilling life. That is why I have asked Professor Dame Carol Black to undertake a rapid review in to how best to support those suffering from long-term yet treatable conditions back in to work.

"In particular, I have asked her to consider whether people should face the threat of a reduction in benefits if they refuse to engage with a recommended treatment plan - it is vital that people who would benefit from treatment get the medical help they need."

Dame Carol, an adviser to the English Department of Health, said: "I am deeply interested in trying to overcome the challenges these types of benefit claimants pose.

"These people, in addition to their long-term conditions and lifestyle issues, suffer the great disadvantage of not being engaged in the world of work, such an important feature of society." ...

Full article here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-ne...fits.1423875860

GG.
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