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It's now only a few days until we go to the polls to vote for or against independence for Scotland. The electioneering activities of both Yes Scotland and Better Together reach a climax this weekend, with Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon calling today the "biggest campaign day in Scottish political history". As we head towards what will be a momentous day for the country, I thought we might take another poll of voting intentions*, asking the same question which will be put to the people of Scotland on 18 September 2014.

Also, please share your thoughts on why you will (or would) vote Yes or No. In posting a reply please consider your thoughts on some of the following points:
  1. What is the single most important issue?
  2. Have you been swayed by one side?
  3. Have you been impressed by any politicians?
  4. Has the media reporting of the referendum been fair?
  5. Will the result have a long term effect on how we live?
  6. Do you just want it all to be over?
I've produced a short video just to remind us all that we have a beautiful country, and that we should not let fear get in the way of what we think is best for Scotland.


This topic is not meant to replace the extensive Scottish Independence discussion topic, but is, rather, intended to capture in a non-judgemental and non-argumentative way a snapshot of members' observations, reflections and thoughts as we approach the referendum.

* Our poll is for everyone, so you can vote in the poll even though you are a Glaswegian who is currently living overseas. (The poll can't be accessed on iPads, sorry.)

Update: embedded poll stopped working on Monday! Stats then were:

Yes: 259 Votes (55%) // No: 215 Votes (45%)



GG.
Dave Grieve
Just to say that if I lived in Scotland I would vote YES, but as I don't I dont think its fair that I take part in this poll.
TeeHeeHee
I too am an ex-pat but I was also an ex-pat while serving overseas in the RAF so the term is a relative mute point for me: I can only ever be a Scotsman away from home who's nationalty has never changed.
I would love to see Scotland take the stage as a Nation on her own feet once again and have voted to that effect.
For me the single most important issue has nothing to do with politics or even England; all of my 15 decendents were born in England and likely consider themselves English born and bred more than British, but rather that we, Scotland, were always a separate nation with our own culture, ideas, and outlook. Our beautiful land is unique: it's history and geography impregnated in our hearts. We may share it with all but we cannot give it away because that would be a betrayal.
It was once handed over; lock, stock, barrel and croft to a more powerful nation than we but now with a simple "tick" in the right box our dear land can be returned to us ... even those of us who for whatever reason are not home at this great historical moment.
For me, at least, the other five questions are merely superficial.
I never left Scotland, I just wandered doon the road. Should I come back up the road I hope to come back to a Scotland which the Roman's decided to leave well enough alone. tongue.gif
Heather
I ignore all the people that have been brought up to Scotland to tell us how to vote. tongue.gif
Not only do they not live in Scotland, very few of them are Scottish. angry.gif

The NO camp are in a right panic.
carmella
I ignore politicians, actors and actresses. I particularly ignore the ones who have decided not to live in Scotland, even though I realize a lot of Scottish actors live elsewhere because they have families and have to be near the action for the careers they have, but feel they are well enough paid to make Scotland their domicile and travel to their shoots etc., or live there for a few months.

Oddly enough I include one of my favourite actors in this, he is terrific and can play almost any part, he is such a brilliant actor. I refer to Brian Cox.

Oh on the subject, has anyone noticed we have heard nothing, zilch from that famed Scottish Actor (I don't like) Sean Connery who over the years was highly vocal.
john.mcn
QUOTE (carmella @ 13th Sep 2014, 11:55am) *
Oh on the subject, has anyone noticed we have heard nothing, zilch from that famed Scottish Actor (I don't like) Sean Connery who over the years was highly vocal.

Connery became a hate figure and was often ridiculed by some of his fellow Scots because he did not stay here, those same scots are quite willing to jump on any NO requests from other famous expats and dare i say it, but others who have no link to Scotland at all. Funny that aint it.
RedSkywalker
The problem I have with the whole thing is that the question being asked "should Scotland be an independent country" is irrelevant to reality.

Is the UK an independent country? NO it's not because an independent country controls its own borders which the UK is not allowed to by the EU. Does the UK control its own currency? NO because its tied to the EU and has to comply with EU budgetary requirements. Does it control the fishing rights within its waters - NO; the EU does! Does it have free access to world trade - NO it has to comply with EU tariff arrangements - the UK is deep in thrall to the EU and does not meet any definition of "independent" you want to apply.

If there is a YES vote all that will happen is we will continue to be governed by the EU as now!

Had big Eck offered us the choice of an in\out EU vote if we voted YES I'd be all for true independence but he has his eyes firmly on the EU trough and is determined to get his snout in there. So you lot vote however you want - in the end it makes no difference at all!
Dominic271
As a London-born Glasgow resident of 30 years plus (working in Kabul but heading back in time to vote), whether Scotland can earn enough to pay its way, including for the health service, schools, pensions, etc., has been for me of prime importance. On balance, the answer appears to be pretty even whether it's Yes or No, and I'm not so wedded to Sterling as to worry whether I end up paying bills in Euro, Merks or whatever (though I recognise the challenge for cross-border trade). And the EU, NATO, and Olympics stuff will sort itself out (as it will have to) if there's a Yes decision.

That said, the recent spate of negative statements from business leaders (pretty obviously co-ordinated by the No campaign) hasn't affected me: do I particularly care if a few corrupt bankers up sticks and head south? Neither the celebrity endorsements on either side nor the political messaging has thrilled me (at least, from what I have been able to read from news and other websites). On the whole, I think the BBC's analysis of the economic, social and political issues has been pretty balanced (although over-concerned with the design of a post-Yes vote flag for what's left of the UK).

Overall, the biggest thing that has concerned me has not been the economic or political effect on Scotland, but the effect on the rest of the UK, and particularly whether a Yes vote for Scotland condemns England and Wales to a generation of Cameronian (or Johnsonian) Toryism increasingly affected by UKIP's pub politics (or rather, staggering out of the pub and into the gutter). Or will a Yes vote force the non-Tory rest of the UK to establish a viable political alternative?

The more people tell me how bad everything will be if I vote Yes, the more I am persuaded to do precisely that. Braveheart or Feartie? I think I know where my vote is going on Thursday (and it will be a vote - not an avoidance of the issue by binning the ballot paper).

By the way, not enough rain in the video, and far too many blue skies!
gardenqueen
I don't live in Scotland because, at the time, there was very little work around and plenty in London. I didn't intend to stay in England but, as so often happens, I married here and had my family so ended up living here ever since. I have a lot to thank England for, to be honest, it gave me a good living and my children are, after all, English albeit with Scottish/Irish/Swiss/English heritage. My grandchidren are even more mixed by adding Welsh and Hungarian to their genes. They are proud of all of these links and probably take the best from all. How many of us are ever truly from one heritage?

That doesn't make me any less Scottish in my opinion. I still love going back to Glasgow and always will (if they'll have me, lol) but I don't feel the need to live there to have those experiences.

My father was Irish and was Irish to the end even though he had been living in Glasgow since he was a young man. I think it is the same with anyone who leaves their home country for, e.g. work.

I am not suggesting that people who no longer live in Scotland should have the vote there but I am entitled to my opinions and although these may largely be based on emotional ties, I would be voting "No" if I could. Interestingly, whenever I have spoken to family and friends still living in Glasgow, there is only one person who is voting "Yes".

My life won't change whatever the result but I can see a lot of unrest and turmoil whatever the result.
Miggymag
I am separating after 37 years, and next year relocating back home to Glasgow. Unfortunately I dont have the vote, but it would be a definite YES. For a long time I was NO/Better Together, until I listened to what the Scots had to say about independence, via social media etc. As my fellow Scots draw closer to the polling stations, the campaign may be more about emotion and passion, rather than facts and figures. Whichever way it goes, I’m looking forward to coming home.

1. What is the single most important issue?
::: The opportunity for Scotland to govern her own land.

2. Have you been swayed by one side?
::: The No/Better Together swayed me towards Yes.

3. Have you been impressed by any politicians?
::: Impressed by Sturgeon and Salmond.

4. Has the media reporting of the referendum been fair?
::: With the exception of the BBC, yes.

5. Will the result have a long term effect on how we live?
::: I don’t know.

6. Do you just want it all to be over?
::: Yes. Yes. Yes.
*greta*
Of course I am going to vote yes for the country I love,was born in and have always lived in. No more chattels from London dictating to us, our votes will count in the future, wonder what Bruce and Wallace would think about us even considering anything else.

As for the no campaign ,they should be ashamed of theirselves. They have brought in every kind of threat possible from calling in debts from banks to having threatened us with supermarket chains,all of which is just bloating and badgering. As the large economists agree it will never happen,they could not afford to put prices up, Tesco are already in trouble and Asda have backed down. As for the BBC they are a joke, any institution that threatens in the run up to an independent referendum should be ashamed, looked into and boycotted. We will never have another opportunity to put our families future securely in their hands.

Come on Scotland the Brave.
lawrence duff
I vote yes!
carmella
QUOTE (john.mcn @ 13th Sep 2014, 01:14pm) *
Connery became a hate figure and was often ridiculed by some of his fellow Scots because he did not stay here, those same scots are quite willing to jump on any NO requests from other famous expats and dare i say it, but others who have no link to Scotland at all. Funny that aint it.

Oh it truly is John. I know he became a hate figure. Don't know currently where he lives, but I know he did not get on with his neighbours in his New York apartment building.

I don't mind anyone having an opinion on this subject, what I do object to is that they and others, think their opinions will sway the Scottish vote. I am my own master (mistress) I decide on my own with no-one's help.

I've enjoyed both the yes and no sides of the arguments on here, and the characters - because the GG certainly has a few of them.
Heather
I have been waiting half my lifetime to vote YES.

I did Scottish History at School, and we were quite literally bought and sold for English gold.

I was speaking to a young woman a few days ago and she did not know that the Scottish people had no say in the Union with England, she thought our ancestors voted for it.
I told her to find a Scottish History book and she will find out that when we the common people found out how we had been sold out, there were riots all over Scotland.

She was un-decided which way to vote, but I think she will now be voting YES.
*Sumac*
Long time no speak! Sorry!

I have, for many years, been pro-Independence. However, when the Referendum Debate gained momentum, I became really uncertain about which way to vote. The main contributor to my uncertainty was the first live TV debate between Alex and Alistair. It was so bad that I watched for only 15 minutes and changed channels. I couldn't believe how unprepared and lacklustre Alex Salmond was. I have never seen Alex so badly prepared. It was awful. However, he has redeemed himself in my view, with the help of wee Nicola. The one thing I keep telling people is that we are not voting for a party or politician, we are voting for Independence, and will be able to vote in to power our own party choice if we gain it, not the choice of England.

Next week I have to vote YES. Scotland is my much-loved home and we CAN make it.
Alex Saville
I have waited all my life for September the 18th.
I will vote 'YES'.
'No' has never been considered.

My reasons for voting 'Yes' are these:-

1/ Never again will Scottish Servicemen/women be brought home in body-bags so that Westminster politicians can posture on world stages and pretend they are a force in the world.

2/ This is my country, and just as Glasgow is my city, I'm proud of them.

3/ I believe, with all my heart, that we will prosper as masters of our own destiny.

4/ The more these Unionist politicians and their puppet business leaders talk down Scots and their country, the more I want to be rid of them.

The 'YES' side have had a raw deal from the press all along the line. When I was at school, the History Teacher said that all through time, the victor has written history.
The press and the media have considered it their duty to tell one side of the story (NO) and ignored the other (YES), only reluctantly had to alter that since last weekend when the 'YES' campaign was in the lead. Now that 'NO' is very slightly in the lead they are back to their old one-sided tricks.
In their arrogance they consider Scots are too stupid to know which way to vote and they consider that they should instruct us on, in their opinion, the correct decision.
Vote 'YES' and damn them all!

Alex

chas1937
My mind was always going to be a NO vote for simple reason that I think we are much better off sharing between 69 million people rather than just under 5 million here is Scotland.
Then when it comes too currency Salmond/Sturgeon can't give a straight answer and saying it will be ok is just a joke.That's like saying to me "here is a bag and there might be something expensive in it or not" so if you give me 10 I will let you see.When you do that the bag is empty so that's what YES campaign is asking.
Then when it comes too all the Crown Properties and Estates where is money going to come too fund either buying them or leasing them back.I will tell you answer too that and it's YOU and ME who will foot the bill and be losers.That's and that's just for starters.Have a read at this and make your mind up.
tl.gd/n_1s9ddc9
chas1937
Might be good idea too read this also as very important as to which way you vote

http://www.cityam.com/1410483959/boost-no-...plan-torn-apart
john.mcn
Might just be as important to google institute for fiscal studies political bias before taking their view as impartial.
jintyg
I've lived here all of my 66 years
though not in Glasgow I'm from Port Glasgow
I thought about emigrating when my family were young I didn't have the courage back then and couldny leave my wee Mum & Dad
so I stayed now I think my courage has grown through the years and we do need change so I'm voting YES !!!!
petunia
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 13th Sep 2014, 12:41pm) *
I too am an ex-pat but I was also an ex-pat while serving overseas in the RAF so the term is a relative mute point for me: I can only ever be a Scotsman away from home who's nationalty has never changed.
I would love to see Scotland take the stage as a Nation on her own feet once again and have voted to that effect.
For me the single most important issue has nothing to do with politics or even England; all of my 15 decendents were born in England and likely consider themselves English born and bred more than British, but rather that we, Scotland, were always a separate nation with our own culture, ideas, and outlook. Our beautiful land is unique: it's history and geography impregnated in our hearts. We may share it with all but we cannot give it away because that would be a betrayal.
It was once handed over; lock, stock, barrel and croft to a more powerful nation than we but now with a simple "tick" in the right box our dear land can be returned to us ... even those of us who for whatever reason are not home at this great historical moment.
For me, at least, the other five questions are merely superficial.
I never left Scotland, I just wandered doon the road. Should I come back up the road I hope to come back to a Scotland which the Roman's decided to leave well enough alone. tongue.gif

I am also born and bred Glasgow and proud to tell anyone that asks so think you put my perspective on the referendum into the forefront for me, thanks.
ElliotShinwell
QUOTE (RedSkywalker @ 13th Sep 2014, 12:32pm) *
The problem I have with the whole thing is that the question being asked "should Scotland be an independent country" is irrelevant to reality.

Is the UK an independent country? NO it's not because an independent country controls its own borders which the UK is not allowed to by the EU. Does the UK control its own currency? NO because its tied to the EU and has to comply with EU budgetary requirements. Does it control the fishing rights within its waters - NO; the EU does! Does it have free access to world trade - NO it has to comply with EU tariff arrangements - the UK is deep in thrall to the EU and does not meet any definition of "independent" you want to apply.

If there is a YES vote all that will happen is we will continue to be governed by the EU as now!

Had big Eck offered us the choice of an in\out EU vote if we voted YES I'd be all for true independence but he has his eyes firmly on the EU trough and is determined to get his snout in there. So you lot vote however you want - in the end it makes no difference at all!

I think you are absolutely correct, The UK as a whole should remove itself from the EU Then we can be a truly independent nation.
carmella
I have agreed with Red too, but over on the Scottish Independence thread.

As long as we are in the EU there is no independence, for me independence means being totally independent of another country's rules and regulations imposed upon us.
Hutchieclan
I have already voted NO by postal vote.

I have listened to all the debates, read the white paper and came to the following conclusion.

lThe SNP have one reason for existence, to gain independence for the Scottish nation. Why then, in a white paper of 150 pages, did they only devote one page of figures outlining the financial case for independence. Could it be that they were unprepared, or is it that even they cannot come up with a reasonable business case for separation? The few figures they did produce were based on oil revenues at an inflated price per barrel. No real explanation was given on how Scotland would raise revenues to fund the Health Service, free university tuition, pensions etc. The only fiscal policy they have outlined is a reduction in business tax.

Alex Salmond asks us to trust him. He states that a vote for Yes is the only way we can ensure that we get a government we elect. This from the man who joined forces with the Tories and consigned Scotland to 18 years of Thatcherism. If he cared about the "Sovereign Will of the Scottish People" he would have supported the party that the vast majority of Scots voted for in that election, i.e. the Labour Party. Instead he chose to support the party which best suited his interests.

How can we trust the future of our nation to such a man?

The yes campaign has degenerated to bullying tactics and asking people to vote with the heart,. rather than presenting a solid case to encourage voters to their view.If this is the best they can come up with, the proposition is fundamentally flawed.


Guest
Saor Alba!

*Kenny Hill*
I will vote YES. I have never been happy that we here in Scotland are dictated to by successive Tory AND Labour goverments who have no real grasp of the issues important to the Scottish people.

The more I see of Cameron..Clegg and Milliband scurrying around Scotland pleading and begging for us to vote no......the more I know I have made the correct decision.Have they no shame at all?

The three of them together could not make one decent leader of a country. It is little wonder the UK is in the state it is currently in.

I also think the bully boy tactics of the NO campaign is nothing short of evil......trying to scare the people of Scotland into thinking that if the YES vote were to win this referendum life as we know it in Scotland will end. If the No's do get the vote...look out for knighthoods being granted to the top men in Asda UK...Scottish Widows and Weir pumps for services rendered.

If things are Better Together...then why arent we "better" now? We have been "together" 300 years.

John Lewis tell us prices may go up....?....Memo to John Lewis....most of us cant afford to shop there anyway...so do your worst.

Cameron misses the point entirely......this is not some rash decisioning based on a love of our Scottish heritage and a wish to live in a tartan clad utopia.....it's case of gradually being ground down and dismissed by westminster on every issue important to the every day people of Scotland. It's a case of enough is enough. Bob Dylan said it best....When you got nuthin...You got nothin to lose.....and we are there now....we have "nuthin".....and the only thing a NO vote will bring us is more of the same. Enough is enough.
The Bankie
OK
Let’s get the pub quiz out of the way and see what kind of replies I can generate.

First the background.
I am Scottish, no doubt, no If or but, although since I was born in Old Kilpatrick district on March 17th I MIGHT just get dual nationality.
At the age of 15 I joined the Royal Navy and set off on my grand tour. At the age of 20 I married a Yorkshire girl and on my discharge from the R.N. we settled in Bradford as we were guaranteed a council house there and there was plenty of work.
Had there been any work in Scotland it would have been the choice for both of us. Over the years family developments mean that resettlement would be difficult but not out of the question.

So on to the questions:-
1) Single most important issue?
Why are the Westminster politicians so opposed to Scottish independence if we are such a lame duck as the No campaign claim us to be. Have you EVER heard of a politician doing something for altruistic reasons? Ask the locals round here, many are jealous of the opportunity Scotland has and some even think independence should start at the southernmost border of Yorkshire. They are even willing to take Lancashire with them.
2) Have I been swayed by one side?
No! Both sides are populated by raging political bigots trying to arrange things to their advantage. The only hope we have is that if there is a yes vote the SNP disintegrates into various parties to reflect the various views of the voters.
3) Have I been impressed by any politician?
Only negatively. See above.
Has the media reporting been fair?
4) By swallowing ALL the propaganda and hysterically and rabidly regurgitating it as “news” it has managed to cover everything from Westminster threats to alien abduction without saying ANYTHING informative. So yes it has been fair.
5) Will it have any long term affects on how we live?
Of course it will! But we will need to wait till about 2024 to see what they were.
6) Do I just want it to be over?
7) Yes, Yes! YES! Regardless of the outcome it will be the will of the people and should be adhered to. Although in the case of a no vote Salmond and Co will start making plans for the 2024 independence campaign.

Westminster really has no idea that this will not go away. The devolution vote came back and bit them and has led to this situation and in the event of a no vote the same will happen again, and again and again. Anyway I see it as giving England their independence.

Probably not how you see it but the opinions asked for were mine and you are free to examine them and judge them on how you see their merits. Please note: no scare or bullying tactics in the entire message.

Regards
The Bankie

john.mcn
QUOTE (Hutchieclan @ 13th Sep 2014, 03:20pm) *
Alex Salmond asks us to trust him. He states that a vote for Yes is the only way we can ensure that we get a government we elect. This from the man who joined forces with the Tories and consigned Scotland to 18 years of Thatcherism. If he cared about the "Sovereign Will of the Scottish People" he would have supported the party that the vast majority of Scots voted for in that election, i.e. the Labour Party. Instead he chose to support the party which best suited his interests.

How can we trust the future of our nation to such a man?

Alex salmond became an MP in 1985, that is some years after Thatcher was voted into power. As for the vote of no confidence in 1979 i would recommend actually reading up on it because frankly it's getting tiresome the amount of ignorance around this issue.
The Tories were voted in democratically, largely by those people elsewhere in the UK that you think we should be in a political union with.
Through the years i have heard Labour supporters pile hatred and all sorts on Salmond, my response to them was you hate him simply because he is bloody good at what he does and that he is not a member of the Labour party...shuts them right up because it's true.

PS i dont trust the future of the nation to him, i trust the future of the Nation to the people here voting..
Guest
Being of Scottish origin, I will be extremely saddened if Salmond gets his wishes and Scotland vote for independence.
As has been mentioned in previous posts, anyone that disagrees with Salmond is being shouted down, and in some cases facing abuse or vandalism of their property, which is a sad state of affairs, and, whoever wins, almost half the nation will lose, which sort of defeats Salmond's argument that Scots don't get the government that they voted for!
Whichever way it goes, almost half of Scotland will have voted the other way, based on current polls!!!
I have watched the debates (more like shouting matches) with interest, and have yet to hear the Plan A and Plan B monetary policies that Alex Salmond keeps referring to, has anyone else got a clue?
In most of the interviews and debates, he has been making snide and sarcastic comments whilst his opponent has been trying to answer his questions, and not actually allowing those responses to be heard, and also inferring that anyone that disagrees with him is "anti-Scottish".
The man is a disgrace, and if he gets his way, I'm afraid that Scotland will be in big trouble.
He wants independence from England, but will happily use the pound, which is controlled by, let me think, er, The Bank of England!
That means quite simply that England will still have total control over Scotland's money.
If, however, he applies for, and by some miracle gains. mem,bership of the EU, then Scotland will not be independent, as Brussels will control not only the financial affairs of Scotland, but also it's laws and employment/human rights regulations.
He talks in one moment about creating jobs for the 8,000 or so on the Clyde submarine base, and in the next, he is saying that he is going to encourage economic immigration by basically throwing open the border to foreigners.
Now, forgive me if I sound stupid, but surely it would be a better option to create and fill those jobs from within the Scottish population first, or, as in other parts of Europe, the migrants will get the jobs as they are more prepared to work on the absolute minimum wage?
If he does open the door to increased immigration, then that would be contrary to existing plans for the UK, and would require some kind of border control between Scotland and England, or they will simply all come in via the open back door!
I really hope that people see sense and forget their Bravehearts and listen to their Brave Heads!
Guest
QUOTE
As for the vote of no confidence in 1979 i would recommend actually reading up on it because frankly it's getting tiresome the amount of ignorance around this issue.

I certainly feel no need to read up on the circumstances leading up to the election of Margaret Thatcher in 1979 as I am well aware of them, having been a taxpayer and a voter in Scotland at the time.

The vote of no confidence in Callaghan's Labour Government was a cynical betrayal of the Scottish working class by the Nationalists in their ruthless and single-minded pursuit of their political ambition. No Nationalist attempt to rewrite history can change or even sanitise that plain fact.
pumps100
I am a Yes. Brought up with Labour instilled anti-nationalist position. Irvine Welch explains much better than I am capable of writing.

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2014/09/08/la...labour-of-love/

Regards

Ian

bilbo.s
Judging by how the poll is going, there must be a lot of GG YES supporters out on the streets of Glasgow today. unsure.gif
carmella
Anyone who knows me in my personal life, and anyone who knows me just through my posts here on the GG, will know that I'm not into celebrities, and particularly with the few who have come to Scotland to share with us how they think we should vote - I don't pay attention to them, and it wouldn't matter to me what they thought I should do, or for the most part what their opinions are.

I am, however, a big Brian Cox fan, he is a superb actor and spends a great deal of his time in Scotland, its a place he visits a lot, not only for work and documentaries.

He is a very intelligent man, apart from a great actor who seems to be able to do a great job of any part he undertakes.

I stumbled upon this video and watched it this afternoon. It only enforces for me what a deep thinker the man is.

Hope you enjoy.

john.mcn
QUOTE (Guest @ 13th Sep 2014, 04:27pm) *
I certainly feel no need to read up on the circumstances leading up to the election of Margaret Thatcher in 1979 as I am well aware of them, having been a taxpayer and a voter in Scotland at the time.

The vote of no confidence in Callaghan's Labour Government was a cynical betrayal of the Scottish working class by the Nationalists in their ruthless and single-minded pursuit of their political ambition. No Nationalist attempt to rewrite history can change or even sanitise that plain fact.


Nothing to do with Labour going against the working class of Scotland by not enacting the Scotland act that the majority of electorate voted for then..No rewriting of the history books there, the facts are the SNP did what they did because of Labours betrayal to the people of Scotland... simple fact and not my opinion.

Of course as being around at that time you would also know that the labour government had been in power since 1974 and would have needed to call for a general election, so the vote of no confidence probably just sped up their removal by a few months.. ahh but you say, they could have turned around public opinion and saved their skins...err not after the winter of discontent, this caused labour to be in opposition and not the apparent brainwashing of the English public by the SNP to vote against labour.. Labour has NO ONE to blame for their 18 years in the wilderness but themselves.
mustard
Scotland cannot and must not lose their nerve now and vote YES. We have already been warned by the deviants in Westminster what penalties they will impose on us for having our own thoughts and voice in the event of a NO vote. Think we got it bad now? YES is the only way forward. Sam
wilma McDonald
There is no doubt in my mind that Scotland CAN and should be an independent nation. This is our one opportunity. It will never happen again. Fear should never prevent you from making a decision. In this case there is little to fear.
carmella
I don't think anyone has yet answered my question about the currency issue - very very important.

bilbo.s
QUOTE (mustard @ 13th Sep 2014, 08:15pm) *
Scotland cannot and must not lose their nerve now and vote YES. We have already been warned by the deviants in Westminster what penalties they will impose on us for having our own thoughts and voice in the event of a NO vote. Think we got it bad now? YES is the only way forward. Sam


Hi, Sam ! Whereabouts in Spain are you ?
Guest
QUOTE
Nothing to do with Labour going against the working class of Scotland by not enacting the Scotland act that the majority of electorate voted for then..No rewriting of the history books there, the facts are the SNP did what they did because of Labours betrayal to the people of Scotland... simple fact and not my opinion.

The Scottish MPs representing the SNP at Westminster in 1979 were not compelled to vote with the Tories. Was it done in a fit of pique?
hillfoot
For over three hundred years we have been part of something which has suppressed and repressed our talents and cultural qualities..it is now time to let our light shine.

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesss!
bilbo.s
Hmm ?
petunia
QUOTE (Guest @ 13th Sep 2014, 04:21pm) *
Being of Scottish origin, I will be extremely saddened if Salmond gets his wishes and Scotland vote for independencesting plans for the UK, and would require some kind of border control between Scotland and England, or they will simply all come in via the open back door! ...

There is that GUEST again, if you are going to give your opinion and advice to the people of Scotland the very least you could do it let them know who you are GUEST
bilbo.s
Jeez, Petunia, I nearly had a fit there. I didn't realise that the bulk of your post was a quote ! ohmy.gif
hillfoot
No amount of rhetoric and passion will take us into the future to give us a glimpse of what life will really be like in an Independent Scotland. Having stated the bleeding obvious, this is a brilliant opportunity to shape our future and establish values that reflect our culture and aspirations based on our self belief.

A 'Yes' will start us on this fantastic journey and free us from the dead-weight that lies south of the border that we have been dragging behind us for the last 300 years!
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farrochie
QUOTE (carmella @ 13th Sep 2014, 03:46pm) *
I have agreed with Red too, but over on the Scottish Independence thread.

As long as we are in the EU there is no independence, for me independence means being totally independent of another country's rules and regulations imposed upon us.

There's a very significant difference in relationship Scotland/UK and UK/EU.

UK Treasury takes ALL Scotland's revenues: corporation tax, VAT, income tax, NICS, fuel, alcohol, tobacco & vehicle duties. In return, Scotland gets a "grant" [Barnett Formula] to run education, NHS, justice, etc.

In the EU, member countries pay a subsciption.
*Paulie*
I hope the "NO" vote wins. It's not about financial gain, it's about breaking up
a small country that has fought two world wars together, suffered through the Blitz
and made a mark on the world. My heart is in Scotland, it's also in the British Isles,
GREAT BRITAIN Forever.
MD
I am German born and have been married to a Scot for 14 years, am a British Citizen since 2002 and lived in Scotland for the past 8 years. I will vote YES as I think it is an opportunity for our country to become something great. All this scaremongering of the NO campaign is tiresome and I am just fed up with it. Apparently independence is a huge jump into the unknown and uncertain but then so would be a NO vote...Who knows what Westminster has in store for us if we vote NO. Plus, we would be the laughing stock of the world if we pass up this opportunity.

To get to the questions asked:

1. What is the single most important issue?
::: To be ruled by a government that the majority elected IN Scotland.

2. Have you been swayed by one side?
::: Every statement of the NO campaign just reinforces my YES decision

3. Have you been impressed by any politicians?
::: I have been impressed by Alex Salmond

4. Has the media reporting of the referendum been fair?
::: The BBC seems to be very bias in this but in general I think it has been quite fair.

5. Will the result have a long term effect on how we live?
::: I would hope so, for the better.

6. Do you just want it all to be over?
::: Cannot wait to cast my vote. YES all the way!
taurus
I wouldn`t dream of trying to nominate a yes or no since I left a long time ago,but I do agree wholeheartedly with what Brian Cox said in his interview. London is a whole other country on it`s own,the big joke is England finishes at Watford,it`s not a joke,it`s a reality. I have spent half a lifetime travelling to the South to visit my daughter and family,and then on to Glasgow to visit my remaining relatives there. I ALWAYS return to England depressed,when I compare the standard of living between the 2.It`s not fair,never has been,and I can well imagine how the yes vote is needed from an emotional point of view if nothing else.All the economics and logistics aside,Scotland deserves better,and if the yes vote wins it,well I hope with all my heart that Scotland will get to enjoy at least a little of the lavish luxury enjoyed by the minority in that 'other country' London.

And by the way,my new British passport is arriving by courier tomorrow I am informed,ironical ,if by Thursday it will be obsolescent.
carmella
My passport expred in August 2013, I didn't renew because I don't intend going outside the UK again, in fact probably not even outside Scotland.

It's handy for other reasons to have a passport to I'll have it renewed, but it won't be in time for the 18th, so I suppose I'll just bide my time.

London is a bubble it's almost as if the city had a glass wall right around it because I swear most of the inhabitants don't live in the real world, they think only in terms of London and the south-east - that's a fact.
gormac
I'm a Scot living in Australia. I'd take a chance and vote YES if I were given the vote.
But I haven't lived in Scotland for 50 years so wouldn't realistically expect to be counted.
It does seem strange though that Poles and Germans who may just have settled there recently get to vote.
I must say that I don't believe the YES campaign is likely to win given the recent news that the banks are threatening to pull out of Scotland. Do I sense the hand of Tory England behind that tactic?
Anyway guid luck to you all. Here's hoping......
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