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Anyone shopping in Glasgow city centre over the last month may have witnessed an increase in the number of beggars soliciting money from passers-by walking along the city's pedestrianised thoroughfares. The situation has been aggravated by a new type of beggar who has introduced new high-profile begging techniques.

One of the most controversial of the new cadging techniques is the advent of 'barefoot begging', where a shoe-less – and often apparently distressed – beggar takes up a prominent position in a city centre street. Barefoot begging has been described as a "scam" by Chief Inspector Alan Porte, the police officer in charge of Glasgow's city centre policing.
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Despite the controversy around the new begging techniques, the the city's police and community support officers remain unable to stop the contentious practice because, unlike in England, passive street begging is not illegal on Scottish streets. In response to the lack of effective police powers over street begging in Scotland, Tory MSP Bill Aitken has urged Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill to bring in legislation to "get a grip" of what he says is a growing in Glasgow. However, Mr MacAskill has responded by saying that the Scottish Government would continue to pursue a policy of "multi-agency engagement" rather than "criminalising individuals with complex social needs".

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Stuart Patrick, chief executive of Glasgow Chamber of Commerce said:
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"We welcome any proposals which recognise begging as a persistent problem within the city. It is a continuing nuisance and undermines confidence in the attractiveness of the city centre especially.

Whilst of course the root causes behind the issue need to be tackled, we support activities which seek to reduce the incidence of begging. Many businesses have expressed strong opinions at the damage it can do to trade with members of the public irritated and occasionally intimidated by beggars repeatedly asking them for money.

We have also been made aware of evidence which confirms the existence of ‘organised begging’ carried out by criminals for profit. This is entirely unacceptable and should be a major priority for any proposed legislation.

Overall, we need to continue the focus on ensuring the city centre is a welcoming destination which attracts people from all over the world."

Grant Campbell, the chief executive of the charity Glasgow City Mission, said councils should be looking at measures to reduce poverty if they wanted to reduce the number of street beggars. He added that "a ban on begging would do little to address the reasons people are begging in the first place – no one eagerly chooses to become a beggar".

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GEORGE MCGEACHIE
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"Overall, we need to continue the focus on ensuring the city centre is a welcoming destination which attracts people from all over the world."

Begging should be made illegal throughout Scotland.

GMCGEACHIE.
mlconnelly
A few years ago my cousin saw a guy begging on Sauchiehall St. Feeling sorry for him, she when to MacDonalds and bought him a meal which he thank her for. Still not happy, she went into Watt Brothers and bought him a fleece. When she went back to find him, she found him in the lane at Watt Bros. changing into his designer jacket and trainers. Needless to say she read him the riot act. I couldn't believe how gullible she'd been. Mary wacko.gif rolleyes.gif
margie
Mlconnelly, My daughter did the same. Went into a store in Sauchiehall St purchased a jacket and gave it to a poor looking soul who was wearing a short sleeved tee shirt in the bitter cold. Needless to say next day there he was back on the street begging with no sign of the jacket. Who's kidding who?
mlconnelly
I'd bet it was the same guy, Margie. laugh.gif Mary
mlconnelly
The guy she tried to help was as Glaswegian as I am. I'm all for criminalising begging, regardless of nationality. Mary
big les glasgow
Another thing that should be banned is selling "The BIG ISSUE" outside supermarkets in Clydebank we have a Romanian woman and her son doing Lidl's and Aldi's every week and IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THE TROLLEYS, both well dressed and a car probably parked nearby.It is most annoying them looking for your pound from your trolley lets give ourselfs space let them sell by all means but not with in 25 metres of a store door, there preying on the OAP's and I find it to be honest A BLOODY PAIN IN THE ASS!!!

PS. ITS THE SAME IS SPAIN BUT LOCALLY THERE BEGGING HAS NOW BEEN STOPPED.
TeeHeeHee
What folks don't seem to realise is that street begging is an organised Business with the bosses creaming off a lucrative living. I have seen; in far eastern lands, mothers with crippled children begging and was saddened to learn that the childrens deformaties; twisted feet or legs, were induced by their own mothers.
Whether we'll eventually see that in GB or not at some time to come remains to be seen.
The end result for me was that I stopped carrying lots of loose Change for beggars when I came into town.
Here where I live the favoured spots are outside of the Banks or supermarkets like Lydl or Aldi.
Another scam is when you roll into the Aldi carpark and a woman waves you and Points out a free slot to you. When you get out the car she Hands you a note in German and French language explaining that her husband is too ill to work and she has 4 Young children to feed.
These scams are Europe wide now.
DavidT
I feel for any person who has nothing. It's a shame that scammers take advantage of of this side of human nature. It does not alter the fact that some people have nothing. Jail the scammers not the destitute.
Yogihughes
There is no reason for ANYONE to be "begging " on the streets of any city in the UK. The UK has one of the best welfare states anywhere in the world and the money AND support provided is enough for people to live without begging.
I know the incoming "flak" will be from those who say " there but for the grace of god" and all that but that is nonsense!
I took steps to ensure that I would NOT require any welfare handouts other than those that I had already paid into, eg. State pension.
I still pay tax on my annual income although retired and rely on no-one but myself and wife to manage our affairs.
tarheels
people beg because there hungry or need a few dollars out of the cold , i am 76 years young, when i was a lad i was down an out an had to beg , then i went into the military an earned my engineers degree from 1954 thru 1962 , well not all that long , but 4 years it took me , you don't have to be-leave all beggars , some just do not have a choice , i have worked for the defense office at a military base , DOD for 20 years , an other fine jobs , i am proud of what i have accomplished, Clarence,. tarheels, Rielly !! thumbup.gif
garthmacgirr
I live in Toronto, Canada. While we do have a few "street people" who wander around and sometimes sleep on the street (even in winter), their begging is very subtle. If they do anything, it is to hold out a hand or a cup but rarely to say anything.

It is widely believed that most of these people have mental problems. Accordingly, they are often shown sympathy in tangible form (money, clothes, blankets, etc.).

Most people would like to see the beggars off the streets but the beggars refuse food and shelter when offered. You get the impression that the beggars want to be on the streets.
angel
The province of Ontario introduced its Safe Streets Act in 1999 to restrict specific kinds of begging, particularly certain narrowly-defined cases of "aggressive" or abusive begging.[9] In 2001 this law survived a court challenge under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.[10] The law was further upheld by the Court of Appeal for Ontario in January 2007.[11]

One response to the anti-panhandling laws which were passed was the creation of the Ottawa Panhandlers Union which fights for the political rights of panhandlers. The union is a shop of the Industrial Workers of the World.

Not sure if this applies to Scotland ..

United Kingdom ..... Begging is illegal under the Vagrancy Act of 1824. However it does not carry a jail sentence and is not well enforced in many cities,[15] although since the Act applies in all public places it is enforced more frequently on public transport.

Seen in Toronto ...... A man begging on the street , and on his card It says , " I need money for more weed " and his tray was pretty full with cash .. laugh.gif
UPYKLT
The first thing that comes to my mind, is what about the people who really need help? But then it occurs to me, that Britain, has one of the most generous welfare/social systems in the world. It seems to me that nobody, but nobody in the UK needs go without help. Unless I'm missing something, begging in the UK is a scam.
*Billy*
QUOTE (garthmacgirr @ 22nd Jan 2014, 01:32am) *
I live in Toronto, Canada. While we do have a few "street people" who wander around and sometimes sleep on the street (even in winter), their begging is very subtle. If they do anything, it is to hold out a hand or a cup but rarely to say anything.

It is widely believed that most of these people have mental problems. Accordingly, they are often shown sympathy in tangible form (money, clothes, blankets, etc.).

Most people would like to see the beggars off the streets but the beggars refuse food and shelter when offered. You get the impression that the beggars want to be on the streets.

I was house sitting in Sannich for a while and was amazed to see the amount off begging in the streets. This I was told was due to the fact that Victoria was the warmest city in Canada and most were itinerant beggars from other parts of Canada. I was also saddened to see the amount of "First Nation" beggars. I was also annoyed to note that a majority of beggars, far from being mentally challenged, were far fitter and much more robust than myself.

In Australia though begging does exist but not to a grand scale. There is also no need to beg in the streets. When it was allowed by a politically correct state government in Melbourne we had begging with menace. As in Scotland there are state and federal welfare conditions. In London at the turn of the century there were orginized beggar gangs recouping massive amounts of money to enable them middle class living. This would appear to be on the way to becoming the situation in Scotland. The Glasgow council would no doubt to be seen to be "bleeding hearted socialists" and retaining the status quo. Dont let them.
Guvin Jimm
QUOTE (DavidT @ 21st Jan 2014, 11:59pm) *
I feel for any person who has nothing. It's a shame that scammers take advantage of of this side of human nature. It does not alter the fact that some people have nothing. Jail the scammers not the destitute.

The destitute can turn to the churches, welfare agencies and others ready to "save" people from the streets. This is not a country like many others that see destitution as a common factor in their version civilization. The scammers are what they are; criminals who should be treated as such.
Ban begging now before it becomes institutionalzed as part of the economy. The only beggars I remember in Govan were men who had their legs blown off in foreign wars. And even at that they would play the harmonica or do chalk drawings on the pavement to retain a semblance of pride.
jcjamieson
Let's face facts. The whole of Britain has became a dumping ground for bums, terrorists and all the dross that the so called government has landed us with.
The longer we put up with it the worse it will get.
These people do not give a toss for us or our way of life or the standards we USED to live up to.
If we complain we are racist and when we don't they slowly, but surely, take over bit by bit.
At first I felt sorry for them but found out,like many others, I was being conned.
The city center looks like a third world country some days with beggars on most corners.
The tourist buses at George Square are a favorite place for these people.
God knows what our visitors think of the place !
ARu-999
I think I am with the majority of people here in feeling that it should be illegal, I have witnessed a few of these 'poor souls' in Glasgow centre on their mobile phones.
My thinking is that if you can afford a phone, you can afford a pair of shoes.

I now never give money to beggars, and my opinion has changed over the years on the validity of the boy or girl down on their luck, to the feeling that it is more of an organised scam.

I feel it is a pathetic situation that we have allowed beggars from overseas to come here, we have as a country enough beggars / spongers, we really cannot absorb any more.
Ossie
QUOTE (DavidT @ 21st Jan 2014, 11:59pm) *
I feel for any person who has nothing. It's a shame that scammers take advantage of of this side of human nature. It does not alter the fact that some people have nothing. Jail the scammers not the destitute.

My feelings exactly . Must be a Govan thing !

Ossie.
Old Sailor
Begging is the product of a disrupted society so before "punishing" beggars we should "punish" the society which engenders begging. To quote Anatole France, "The rich ad the poor alike should be free to beg in the streets and sleep under bridges". I live in West Vancouver, an affluent area, where begging is virtually unseen, however across the bridge in the City of Vancouver a nimber of homeless persons share the streets.
Freda
Todays begging should be illegal, it is a scam. I live in San Jose, California and people stand at the shopping centers, entrances to the freeways and anywhere else a group of people would assemble, whether it be in cars or on foot. There are many agencies that are equipped to assist those who a less fortunate than you and I and for those of us who want to help, make a donation to the Agency. I have offered to buy food but they refuse because of one thing of another, not all can be allergic, they don't want food, they want money so that they can select what they buy.
gordonmarr
I am subjected to aggressive begging by Roma people on a regular basis but when I complained to the police they accused me of being racist, so much for the protection of the law.
ARu-999
Gordon,

If your policeman thinks being hacked off at the beggars you describe is being racist, then I would estimate 99% of the population are racist.

ARU
Dave Grieve
My son in-law has a 100 percent cure for begging, whenever he is stopped by a beggar he tells them to "wait right there I will be back in five minutes I have a job for you" works like a charm they are never there when he returns laugh.gif
gardenqueen
Apart from the occasional Big Issue seller, we don't really have many people begging here, in this part of Hertfordshire. I don't really consider Big Issue selling to be begging, not it its original way anyway. Things do seem to have changed but who am I to judge? I don't know what the criteria is to get hold of them.

In London, of course, they are everywhere and Londoners just tend to ignore them. It is the tourists who seem to give to them.

I have been known to give but usually to Big Issue sellers although I recognise that some may not be as needy as they seem. Obviously there are lots of tales of posh cars parked round the corner but I am not too sure about the truth in that.

When in Glasgow recently, early one Sunday morning we were walking down Buchanan St on our way to have breakfast at Cafe Gandolfi and there was a young man selling the Big Issue. He was being "got at" by a group of youths who appeared drunk to me. They moved on when they saw us. A lovely young girl went over and gave him a fiver as we also did. I asked him about the youths (who were not Glaswegian) and he said that he gets a lot of that but just ignores them as it will get him into bother. The lad had what I would describe as moderate learning difficulties and I thought it was enterprising of him to be out there so early on a Sunday morning. I don't always give to Big Issue sellers, I am quite selective but like to think I am a good judge of character.

As long as the beggers don't harass me, I ignore them. Last time I was in Rome, they were much more worrying and (I think) a lot more cunning.

Ancara
I don't give money to beggars with cups held out in their hands I have in the past bought gloves for beggars but no more after the comments I have read here. I do sometimes give money to people who are busking as at least they are trying to entertain but mostly nowadays I give to the Salvation Army as they are the people who mostly look after street people and god bless every on of them as they are out in all weathers truly helping the unfortunate. Ann
Jupiter
My words to describe them? Skanky Chancers who sit there putting on the poor mouth in the hope that gullibles give them money for nothing. And that is the big issue,MONEY FOR NOTHING.
Tug at the heart strings of the many who feel guilt at the sight of a barefoot person.
If there were acting awards for beggars Im sure many of Glasgows finest would be up for The Beggars Oscar.
They say its illegal and I know it is but I recall a time when no self respecting beat patrol officer would suffer these chancers on his beat.He would resort to the old Glasgow Ways and Means Act.
"Your no begging here son! Know what I mean?/ now on your way"
If the chancer failed to desist and be on his way a Breach of the Peace would ensue.Clearly the police are now so PC that the old act has been repealed.
Dylan
Begging in Scotland is not illegal.

We have no Vagrancy Act.
George Brown
At the risk of ''sweeping a short fall of care in our in society under the carpet'' it should be made illegal. But then again by observation of the individuals and music some opt to play and in some cases try to play they are not of this country, and whether by accident or design they chose to come here
I would also like to see in general all begging stopped , by this I refer to many that I would be of professional ability who impose over amplified raucous woodwinds audible from streets away virtually seven days a week, I for one do not like this sort of music or its imposition on me, I stopped visiting the city centre just for this reason but now I find that the group have fragmented and are now playing in various locations that I tend to visit
Karidian
I think a lot of folk here are unaware of how little support there is for the homeless in the short term. A friend of ours ended up homeless last year after a disagreement with his wife. He was flung out with no money, no bank cards and just the clothes he was wearing which were totally unsuitable even for light rain. There are homeless shelters available in Glasgow but they have limited capacity and come on a first come first served basis. He struggled just to get by in those two weeks while trying to get into the benefits system. Luckily he reconciled with his wife and even more luckily his job was still available when he got back although he did have to accept a final warning.
That said i would be firmly behind any effort to send foreign beggars back to whatever country they originated from. Let them beg there. My wife and mother in law have spoken to Scottish big issue sellers and they have been told that a lot of Scottish vendors are being forced off their patches by foreign gangs who use the big issue as a money making scam. As such i would never buy one from a foreigner.
So, there are two sided to the story. Yes there are a lot of scammers there but there are also those who are genuinely needy. Can you tell the difference Just by looking at them? I had no idea what a poor state of affairs existed for the homeless in this modern Britain with its benefits system until i had to confront it while trying to find and help my pal. I just hadnt thought about it and assumed all those on the streets were alkies or junkies or some such.
Making begging illegal may get them off the streets but wont help those that need it.
ARu-999
Yes the 'music' dimension!!

There is a Roma (I'm guessing she is, I don't know for sure that she is) woman who hammers away on a guitar on Rosemount in Aberdeen most days, simply awful noise. I asked the adjacent shopkeeper (a Curry's electrical shop) if they didn't find the noise a bit tiresome. Seems they had asked repeatedly for the woman to be moved on, but nothing was done as the authorities did not want to appear to be vindictive or non PC.

If this attitude does not change, it will I feel get worse in years to come, so I think there should be an action on the government to curtail these activities.

Introduce ID cards for everyone, and if you are a foreign vagrant you are escorted to the border. Why?, we cant afford them

Immigration from other parts of Europe is to be welcomed if the immigrants come and work and pay tax, if you are here to be a vagrant you should not be made welcome, we have enough indigenous vagrants to support, we shouldn't be supporting anyone else's underclass.

On a lighter note (pun), there was a bus parked outside the Buchanan St shopping mall during the days leading up to Xmas playing the most appalling Cliff Richard dirge, I think it was a Catholic hospice??, that noise was equally as bad as the Roma woman with the guitar!
amclpreston
If someone begs in bare feet on a freezing cold day, then rather them than me.

I do give to people who beg.

Not every time.

And do you know, I generally feel quite good about it.

I don't take my attitudes from this or that businessman who doesn't want some scruffy person sullying his lovely doorstep. Nor from some Tory MP.

*droschke7*
QUOTE (Yogihughes @ 22nd Jan 2014, 12:27am) *
There is no reason for ANYONE to be "begging " on the streets of any city in the UK. The UK has one of the best welfare states anywhere in the world and the money AND support provided is enough for people to live without begging.
I know the incoming "flak" will be from those who say " there but for the grace of god" and all that but that is nonsense!
I took steps to ensure that I would NOT require any welfare handouts other than those that I had already paid into, eg. State pension.
I still pay tax on my annual income although retired and rely on no-one but myself and wife to manage our affairs.

All due respect but you obviously haven't seen some of the latest news from Ian Duncan Smith, he wants to send terminally ill people on "work experience" or he will stop their benefits, we may soon be seeing them on the streets as well, so the "Welfare System" so here in the UK isn't as good as it used to be or as people believe it to be. That being said begging in the streets should be banned especially those that follow you down the street asking for change. I once saw a bloke outside Greggs in Partick, holding a sign saying "Haven't eaten in 4 days" as I was going into Greggs for a Chicken and Mushroom slice I thought I'd get 2 and give the guy one of them. Luckily they were doing 2 for the price of 1, I took 1 out of the bag and handed the bag, with the other chicken and mushroom slice, to the beggar and walked away. The next thing I know I got hit on the back of the head by the chicken and mushroom slice and heard the beggar cursing at me, as I'm disabled there wasn't much I could do about it, but since then I have ignored all beggars and big issue sellers.
Guest
I'm a bit disappointed to read some of the less charitable opinions expressed by some posters in this topic. To my mind, all of the beggars that I encounter (on a daily basis) fall into 1 of 3 categories, and my thoughts on each are quite different.

1. Obviously immigrant origin, usually regular as clockwork, and have no place begging on the streets of Glasgow. Whether they are attached to organised "gangs" I have no idea, but there will have been at least a minimum of Social Work input in order to house them etc., and to provide a channel for them to express their needs and rights. To be begging on a daily basis is just ripping the pish. angry.gif

2. Non-immigrant regulars, who don't appear to be distressed, other than the fact that they'd like a hand out from anybody who is intimidated or stupid enough to put their hand in their pocket. Chancers and wasters angry.gif

3. Anybody who appears to be genuinely distressed, whether immigrant or not, who look as if they really have no other choice (at that point) than to be hoping for spare change from people who wouldn't miss it in a month of Sundays. I have no issues with this "category" of people. And let's remember, they are people, however low they appear to have sunk, not necessarily through their own actions. I would include Big Issue sellers and buskers in this category, as they are at least trying to do something to help themselves, rather than just sticking a hand out and asking strangers for money.

The government led media in this country would like all unemployed and disabled people lumped under the one heading of scroungers, which makes their benefits easier to attack. Don't be fooled, there are a lot of people now suffering genuine hardship because the fat cats screwed up and ordinary tax payers had to bail them out.

All I'm saying is try to look at the whole subject, and not just whether begging should be legal or illegal - it's just not that simple.
peterdroper
This is something I do feel strongly about. I believe we should help those who cannot help themselves but do nothing for those who will not help themselves, the problem is differentiating between those individuals. For anyone who is truly homeless or hungry there is a welfare system and safety nets in place. Of course there will always be those who fall through the cracks of these systems (mental health, alcoholism, drug addiction etc) but we have to attack this by working with, supporting and improving the agencies and charities that try to manage poverty. If we continue to give money to beggars, then we are sending a message that it is acceptable to sit barefoot in the street and expect strangers to pass their wages and benefits over to you.

Do not give to beggars. If you are tempted then put some money in a charity box instead. Even better, set up a standing order to Shelter, Crisis or the Salvation Army who are better placed to ensure that your contribution makes a difference.
mustard
Personally I find beggards in any City pretty intimidating. I was in New York when they banned (pan handling) and I for one was glad. You would come out of a bank and they would (courteously) hold open the door and most people would then tip them. I never I could not get past them quick enough smile.gif - Sam
Doug1
Aggressive, annoying, pestering or gangs of beggars should be knocked on the head but as for the odd character with his cloth cap I'm not so bothered about!
Scotsman
There have been a few stories about this in the Evening Times over the last few weeks and I was thinking it was to do with the Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games because no doubt the cooncil is going to want to get rid of the beggars in time for that.... did they not do something like that in the last games in India when they rounded up the street beggars and put them in jail during the games?? Delhi I think it was.
Heather
I used to give to those begging in the street, but now I rarely do except for the Nun who usually stands near M&S or Debenhams with a tin to drop the money in and I always get a smile and a thank you.

I stopped buying the Big Issue as it usually Immigrants who sell it now, plus it has become a load of rubbish.
Jimmuck
Having been a 'beggar' on the streets of Toronto, back in the late '70's, I have compassion for some and none for others. The pissed up drunk gets nothing, unless he's a better fighter than me and the ones who 'do that little extra? are rewarded for their ingenuity!
When I was down on Skid Row in T.O. I would buy a bag of 'Coloured Combs' from "Honest Ed's" and when I saw a young 'lovey couple' coming towards me? I'd select a comb as near to the colour of her coat as possible and 'give it to his lovely sweetheart' I was usually rewarded with a Dollar, on the girls bidding.
I also sang in the doorways of Burger King/The Book Store at Yonge and Dundas where I earned a few bucks for singing "Me and Bobby McGee" 8-9 times over .. I'd make enough for a packet of Rothman's a Hamburger and Fries and HOT Coffee.
So, "There But For The Grace of God" can apply closer than you might think.
I celebrated my 34th year of continious sobriety last August 22nd. and expect to reach 35 this August "One Day at a Time"

Donna and I went on a trip to Halifax, Nova Scotia, last week (we moved to her home province in November last year) and while walking down Spring Garden Rd? I met a young fella about 23-25 with a cardboard sign on his chest which said "HUGS are FREE!" well, imagine Donna's face when I grabbed that youing fella and gave him a BIG Hug (along with a $5.00 bill) and further down, outside Tim Horton's, a rip roaring drunk, waving a stale Glazed Donut, telling the world he was 'hungry' not starving ... so! I took him into Timmy's and bought him a roast beef sandwich, along with my own cheese. He ate it with gratitude, commented on Donna's 'beauty' and went on his merry way ... so, my fellow Glaswegians, use your discretion and you might just make a difference and 'my gestures' did more for MY SOBRIETY than they did for those two 'fallen brothers' just as it was for my fellow poster, amclpreston
john donaldson
I live in Toronto Canada there are many people begging on the streets here, this is because of the unemployment situation and the lack of decent welfare rates why would we make this a criminal act when it is the authorities who have caused the problem.
Jimmuck
I noticed someone mentiones "The Big Issue" sellors?? well, I have a story to share with you all and if it doesn't tug at your heart strings, "Yurr noa fae Glesga' for we never looked doon oor noses at emday in Springburn!

"Stuart" the "Big Issue" sellor ....

I saw him nearly every week
He had no claim to fame
I spoke with him and I laughed with him
But I never knew his name

He thanked me for the pound I gave
For I always gave the same
And I said you're very welcome son
For I didn't know his name

He shared with me his housing plights
And I thought it was a shame
And he said how bad he felt sometimes
Though he told me not his name

His legs were bad for many weeks
He hobbled and was lame
And he had to sit for it hurt to stand
This young man with no name

At Christmas time he wore a hat
Likr Santa when he came
And I wondered if he would come to him
The guy without a name

And I never heard him curse or swear
His words were always tame
I respected him; he respected me
So did I really need his name?

He was part of life, and now he's dead
And I know I'm not to blame
But I kinda wish when I had the chance
That I'd asked that boy his name

But there's one who sits in the Holy place
The eternal Holy flame
And he's greeted him and he's welcomed him
And it matters not his name

For the Bible says at the foot of Christ
Is the victory we can claim
And the first and last, and the last and first
Shall be called by a NEW name

When I see him next, in that lovely place
And that surely is my aim
Then I''ll say; hey lad, remember me?
And at last I'll know his name
wombat
QUOTE (Jimmuck @ 22nd Jan 2014, 07:35pm) *
Having been a 'beggar' on the streets of Toronto, back in the late '70's, I have compassion for some and none for others.
I also sang in the doorways of Burger King/The Book Store at Yonge and Dundas where I earned a few bucks for singing "Me and Bobby McGee" 8-9 times over ..

laugh.gif jimmuck laugh.gif
Jimmuck
And your point is??? ya scabby wee vermin ye tongue.gif
Mac Yavelli
QUOTE (Scotsman @ 22nd Jan 2014, 03:23pm) *
There have been a few stories about this in the Evening Times over the last few weeks and I was thinking it was to do with the Glasgow 2014 Commonwealth Games because no doubt the cooncil is going to want to get rid of the beggars in time for that.... did they not do something like that in the last games in India when they rounded up the street beggars and put them in jail during the games?? Delhi I think it was.

Take the Sydney Olympics; all the nongs and dysfunctionals were offered moves to the costal holiday areas to keep them quiet about P.C. Wrights interference. Some of these once pristine areas became crime and violence ridden, the schools filled with profesional morons and bikies moved en masse in just a few years after. Send the problem away! What about the good people they are foisted on?
carmella
Am I missing something here?

Heather I'm intrigued as to why a Nun would be begging in Glasgow City Centre?

Is she really a Nun, or is she pretending to be one to get the money?

I've never heard of this before or seen it.
gardenqueen
If I remember correctly, when I was in Glasgow in November, there was a nun sitting just inside Dunnes store in Sauchihall Street. She was collecting for something, possibly the hospice. She looked like a genuine nun to me and was very friendly.

No different to the local hospice here in Hertfordshire having a charity shop really. In an ideal world these wonderful places would be get more funding as they do a fantastic job in times of need.

When I was young and living in Glasgow, I would regularly be seen selling flags for the St Vincent de Paul. That couldn't be seen as begging. These days maybe not so many people volunteer to collect donations so the nuns themselves get out there and do it.
ashfield
QUOTE (carmella @ 23rd Jan 2014, 12:25am) *
Am I missing something here?

Heather I'm intrigued as to why a Nun would be begging in Glasgow City Centre?

Is she really a Nun, or is she pretending to be one to get the money?

I've never heard of this before or seen it.

Carmella, there have been Nuns collecting, for their order, outside M&S in Argyll St for as long as I can remember. In fact they would often be collecting along side someone doing the same on behalf of the Salvation Army. Funnily enough, on my last few visits into town (including yesterday) there was nobody there except the big issue seller.
Heather
Carmella, If I remember correctly, the Nun's are from the ' Little Sisters of the Poor'.

Gardenqueen, I also sold flags for the St. Vincent De Paul.
We usually ended up in St. Aloysius Garnethill Hall where they gave the Collectors tea and scones for free.
gardenqueen
That's right, Heather, I remember now. Not the hospice this time.
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