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A party in George Square immediately following the death of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has been replayed on news outlets around the world. Critics of the those who attended the 'Thatcher Death Party' claim that the celebrations were inappropriate, bringing shame on the city. In defence of the those who celebrated the death of the 'Iron Lady', other commentators highlight the massive, ongoing damage inflicted on the people of Glasgow as a direct result of the former PM's policies, which many claim directly targeted the working classes.


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DavidT
The George Square 'celebrations', like the party by Liverpool FC supporters were not spontaneous. It has been planned and publicised on social media ever since the Mogwai record and probably before that. In other locations throughout the British Isles and beyond the celebrations just sprung up. The woman forgot the rule about keeping her enemies nearer. She alienated whole sections of our communities. The deep seated hatred of the woman hasn't just appeared. A lot has been said about the age of some of the party goers. Everyone was and still is affected by what she done.
If the George Square party seemed OTT. I don't think we've seen half of it. This coming Saturday will see an anti trident demo. It may turn out to be a little busier than it would normally be. London too will see an anarchist rally on Saturday. Funeral day is unlikely to see much in the way if quiet dignified respect.
I wasn't there dancing. I won't be going to Saturday's do either. On Wednesday I will not even switch the tv on.
I can't condemn these revellers.
*Geo*
Look at the ages of those attending, in my view any excuse for demonstration. The woman did bad but she also did good. Name a PM who was all good! Death is something that should never be celebrated.
albageorgia
If these people celebrating in George square are Scotland's future then god help us, they are pathetic
donald a
I'll celebrate when all the Lab Con Thatcherites are out of power. Vote YES!
campsie
Strange how people forget the state our country was in when Margaret Thatcher over, held to ransom by the trade unions, and yes it was painful for a lot of people, but it could not continue. This country ALWAYS without exception gets into a mess EVERY time the Labour party takes control and the Tories are left to make good on all that is wrong and if not done overnight then the blame lies with them. Right now I feel saddened that people could be so undignified over someone's death no matter what they thought of her and her policies, especially those who we not even born, just goes to show that hatred is learnt.

Time for this country to get though with people who CHOOSE not to work and use the money saved for housing needs and our elderly. Because this country is a democracy they are entitled to show how they feel undignified and disrespectful though it might be.
MCSCOTTY
Not a fan of Thatcher at all she did some terrible things that deeply divided and affected people but to be fair a lot of what she did was needed (a lot was brutal) but it was done too quickly with little thought to how it affected people but the celebrations were imho out of order and attended by a large percentage of folk not even born when she was PM - If at times she showed little dignity does not mean we shouldn't respect her death if not her politics (although the TV coverage has been OTT and no need for such a lavish funeral 10m and we are all told to cut back?)
lubbock
It was a disgusting show those who attended should be ashamed one guy in his 50's said he hoped " she died in agony"what kind of man says that?

if this is an example of how socialism conducts itselfs then what chance have they of ever reaching out to the public.And those who blame Thatcher and her Goverment for evrything,remember labour has controlled Glasgow for over 70 years and we still have people living in slum property ,kids going to school hungry people in their 30's who have never worked oh yes labour can hang it's head in shame if the lefties are looking to blame anyone...
farrochie
Thatcher's impact was not restricted to Scotland or the UK. A good example was the impact on Cambodia.

Does anyone think there are "reasonable" elements in the Khmer Rouge. Does anyone believe that the UK government should have supported and trained the Khmer Rouge?

Watch the Pilger video, as Mrs Thatcher's role is discussed, Lord Brabazon is interviewed and a Foreign Office official interrupts and won't let the interview continue.

You can scroll in to the start of the interview at 31 minutes if you don't want to watch the whole video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJxUk1CFdtc

What should our attitude be to the UK leadership who supported the Khmer Rouge?
crunchiebags
I personally think the George Square revellers where celebrating the death of something far greater than the person that was Maggie Thatcher. They were celebrating the demise of an ideologist and her cronnies who ruthlessly and without compassion drove their reforms through parliament in the 1980's. Scotland, in particular, has an axe to grind with the Tories (not just Thatcher) imposing the Poll Tax upon us a whole year before the rest of Britain! Ask the people of Liverpool or Yorkshire if the George Square party was inappropriate. And if I were Campsie I wouldn't be too worried about the people who CHOOSE not to work, I'd be more anxious about the bankers lining their pockets with fat (1.5 M) pensions.
chas1937
QUOTE (albageorgia @ 12th Apr 2013, 08:29am) *
If these people celebrating in George square are Scotland's future then god help us, they are pathetic

Reason being is that their not getting proper education and therefore most of these idiots are on benefits of one kind or another.Do you think if they were too lose a days pay if they worked they would have been there. DEFINITELY NOT
Scottish Anna
I agree with Campsie, the behaviour in George Square was appalling. Other countries must be shaking their heads in disbelief. I wonder how many of those celebrating would cope with the conditions we had to in the seventies? Queuing for bread while the bakers couldn't churn it out fast enough, no heat or lighting unless you had a coal fire IF you could get coal (we lived near an old railway line and would dig to try and find fossils to burn) candles were scarce, but my brother was a butcher so we used lard to make candles, so dangerous and the smell, ugh. As for the rats? everywhere! The country needed a strong Prime Minister and we got one. I wonder how this bunch of leaders would cope with these conditions? They just want to be everyone's friend. What we need is someone with balls, oh, she's dead.
Old Sail
Her policies were feudal and she bore no shame for her statement that "the people in Liverpool and Bradford relish their lives in squalor" and her contribution to Britains poverty.
jimmystreet
Regardless of your political affiliations or beliefs, in death as in illness, a person should be capable of compassion and behaving with dignity. I would think many of those involved would not have been either born or able to vote during the Thatcher years therefore may be reliant on the information and bias of others. Whilst I personally have no belief or confidence in any political figures regardless of their party, I certainly would not wish to be represented or associated with people who were not capable of behaving themselves in an appropriate manner. The people of Glasgow must be mindful that they have been governed as a city by the same group for many years and issues of prosperity, wellbeing, education and good housing for everyone is not always in the best interests of those who are reliant on the votes an oppressed and downtrodden society. Perhaps self interest is served before any public interest. There are plenty of celebrity do-gooders making a nice living on the backs of the poor and needy. Where would they be in a thriving, vibrant society without a cause to take up on the suffering of others?
Ayeyuya
Illegal Republican march outside the Barrowlands to 'celebrate' her passing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1egw0XxyA
Eddie McFadyen
Express your revulsion at Thatcherism and Conservatism at the ballot box. Even this opponent of Thatcher is uncomfortable at the glee being expressed by people who have not examined the issues.
Guest
Their behaviour is totally disrespectful and it makes me ashamed to be Scottish. Most of these troublemakers didn't look old enough to even know who MT was! Just another pathetic excuse to behave appallingly and I don't think the media should keep going on about it as this is just what these morons want!

I'm not an MT fan but I certainly would not behave in this way and show myself up like
amclpreston
QUOTE (Scottish Anna @ 12th Apr 2013, 09:38am) *
I agree with Campsie, the behaviour in George Square was appalling. Other countries must be shaking their heads in disbelief. I wonder how many of those celebrating would cope with the conditions we had to in the seventies? Queuing for bread while the bakers couldn't churn it out fast enough, no heat or lighting unless you had a coal fire IF you could get coal (we lived near an old railway line and would dig to try and find fossils to burn) candles were scarce, but my brother was a butcher so we used lard to make candles, so dangerous and the smell, ugh. As for the rats? everywhere! The country needed a strong Prime Minister and we got one. I wonder how this bunch of leaders would cope with these conditions? They just want to be everyone's friend. What we need is someone with balls, oh, she's dead.

I remember the 3 day week early in the 70's. I wasn't a striker, but recall it all as a bit of an adventure. With no real hardship, because it was for a rather limited time and people helped each other out.

I also remember the "Every man for yourself" attitude that Thatcher brought, and the very direct effect her policies had on my working life.

I agree that celebrating the decline of an elderly woman would have been inappropriate. However, upon her death I cannot in any way condemn celebrations, or parties. Thatcher didn't give two hoots about the communities she just about destroyed. Celebration of her death is completely right.
*rab hay*
Absolutely disgraceful, also why are there Irish republican flags there, still hurting after the 9 prisoners killed themselves and blamed Maggie?
shugie
They look a bit young and also they should show a bit of respect for some one that the people voted for.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (crunchiebags @ 12th Apr 2013, 09:23am) *
I personally think the George Square revellers where celebrating the death of something far greater than the person that was Maggie Thatcher. They were celebrating the demise of an ideologist and her cronnies who ruthlessly and without compassion drove their reforms through parliament in the 1980's.

But her ideology is still alive and kicking, Blair and Brown's governments embraced Thatcherism, it was the basis for New Labour, to appeal and become electable to the voters of middle England, and Cameron and Osborne are going to make the Thatcher years look like a Golden age, the only way to protect Scotland from the ravages of Tory rule whether that be from the Tories themselves or Tory Lite (New Labour) is to take control of our own affairs, vote YES next year.

You have been warned.
Mathieson
Even posing the question as to whether it was inappropriate was inappropriate in my humble opinion.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (Ayeyuya @ 12th Apr 2013, 09:57am) *
Illegal Republican march outside the Barrowlands to 'celebrate' her passing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1egw0XxyA

Yes, and the majority of them will be voting NO next year along with their fellow unionist flute blowing Irish brothers in the Orange lodge.

Morons.
marion L
Power makes one so evil and I believe she was a driadhful snob miles away from reality. She is gone and well despised by so many.... Can't believe she has had the support from the others who walk in her shoes... We have to fight for justice for many follow her.....
john.mcn
Jagz i have had discussions with people who want a United Ireland, even if the people there vote against it but talk about Scotland and they are as Unionist as the DUP.. Only in Scotland rolleyes.gif
stratson
Do not agree with "PARTY" .

Instead, use your vote wisely next year and vote "YES. for Scottish Independance thumbup.gif
DavidT
QUOTE (stratson @ 12th Apr 2013, 11:36am) *
Do not agree with "PARTY" .

Instead, use your vote wisely next year and vote "YES. for Scottish Independance thumbup.gif

I agree. I only found two unnecessary words in this post.."not" and "instead" thumbup.gif
Harrymc
As a Glaswegian who has lived for many years on Merseyside I am thoroughly DISGUSTED by the antics of the so called protests/celebrations many of whom were not even born when Maggie Thatcher was in power.The decent folks in both these great cities would not wish to be in any way associated with these morons.

That said,I endorse what CAMPSIE and others have said previously and would just like to ask ; if what she did was so bad why did Blair,Brown and the rest of what poses as the Labour Party these days spend 13 years in power changing nothing?
john.mcn
Maybe people want to go back to the days of no choice Harry, no choice in electricity or gas supplier, if you wanted a phone line you had to go with BT who would also control the internet and mobile phone signals.
The sell offs did go too far though, bus de-regulation and the Trains privatisation was wrong imho, they should be a trust and run on the behalf of the public, not shareholders or the people working there.
My first home i bought was an ex council property, something myself and hundreds of thousands of people couldn't do without her, many of us once on the property ladder then went on to other properties creating jobs for the industry and plenty of money for the council/tax man through tax, tax and more tax. Thatcher was wrong on a lot of things and some of her policies were too harsh and quick, for that i think blame can also sit at a certain union leaders feet, but she did change some things for the better.
Guest
I would not celebrate this woman's death but I will not be sorry. She caused a lot of the problems that we are facing today with her selfish far right policies that put 95% of our wealth into the pockets of a privileged 5%.
Ryasco
In view of the harm that she done not only to Scotland but the working class people of England, Scotland and Wales, she ruined the lives of many working class people, some never to work again as their livelihood was destroyed. Not only that she turned Britain into a greedy grasping country that it is today.

Ryasco
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (john.mcn @ 12th Apr 2013, 12:13pm) *
Maybe people want to go back to the days of no choice Harry, no choice in electricity or gas supplier, if you wanted a phone line you had to go with BT

Don't forget you were put on a waiting list when you applied for a telephone to be installed.

Your experience in post #24 mirrors mine John, as i mentioned on a previous thread......Go figure wacko.gif
tarheels
I MAY LIVE IN OJAI CALIF. BUT WHO AMONG YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER , CHEER'S MS THATCHER.

I MAY LIVE IN OJAI CALIF. BUT WHO AMONG YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER , CHEER'S MS THATCHER.
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (Mathieson @ 12th Apr 2013, 11:16am) *
Even posing the question as to whether it was inappropriate was inappropriate in my humble opinion.

Don't humble yourself ... you are right.
D. H.
Totally disgusted by this behaviour. Even when opinions are polarised, politics should be conducted in a reasoned and civilised manner. I notice that most of the people attending these "parties" would not even have been born when Mrs. Thatcher was PM... they are just malcontents who have no place in a civilised society. However, if this is the behaviour to be expected by some Glaswegians then my wife and I shall re-consider whether to continue our frequent visits for extended weekends in Glasgow. These yobs bring shame upon the city of Glasgow.
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (Ayeyuya @ 12th Apr 2013, 09:57am) *
Illegal Republican march outside the Barrowlands to 'celebrate' her passing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1egw0XxyA

Pity the cameraman didn't have much of an idea either. rolleyes.gif
Jimmuck
We have the same 'scum' over here, demonstrating for every socialist cause, I figure they get slipped a few bob for attendance, pity they didn't put in more attendance at school they might have picked up an education and mebbe a wee job or two??

Those demonstrators are just malcontents who sit on their duff all day yapping about 'how they'd change the world' Ha! Ha! go change your diapers ya eejits!

Somebody posted that people 'live in squalor because of Maggie's policies' BULLSHIT! that's just the way they choose to live china, like bloody pigs ... remember your 'clatty neighbours'?? sure you do!

I've been 'down' a few times in my life, but mainly because of mental illness, alcohol and drug abuse, but my good Scots examples (my Dad never missed a day of work in his puff!) I picked myself up and got back into The Dance!

The Unions over here in Canada are bringing this country to the same state the U.K. was in when Maggie took them on.

Can you imagine having 'Sick Days' in your Contract, then, if you don't get sick?? you can Bank those days and GET PAID FOR THEM?? Socialism in Extreme or Effin Madness! OH! and these are the laziest bazzas (J.M.O.) in the world, Teachers ... Joe Taxpayer pays for their luxuries, scumbags.

Ah'm awa tae feed the wee burds!
D.H.
QUOTE (Ryasco @ 12th Apr 2013, 12:54pm) *
In view of the harm that she done not only to Scotland but the working class people of England, Scotland and Wales, she ruined the lives of many working class people, some never to work again as their livelihood was destroyed. Not only that she turned Britain into a greedy grasping country that it is today.

Ryasco

Mrs. Thatcher achieved much for the whole of the UK...EEC Rebate, defending the Falklands, curbing the power of marxist-led unions out to destroy Britain, extending home ownership via council house sales (thereby reducing the number of families needing subsidised council owned homes) etc. Like anyone, she also made mistakes but on balance she was a force for much needed change. It is true that some communities suffered the consequences of change, but this was inevitable...eg mines have a finite life...and in any event the more proactive vibrant communities have long since recovered. Only the die-hard modern-day Luddites still moan about their lot instead of doing something to improve it. There have been many governments in power since Mrs. Thatcher resigned (including the Blair/Brown governments) and it is ludicrous to keep claiming that any of today's ills are down to Mrs. Thatcher. Mrs. Thatcher did not "make" people greedy or grasping...that is down to individual morals which have been in steady decline since the 60's.
Moderate
Even after over a decade of Labour government, the dogmatic dyed-in-the-wool hard left continue to blame Margaret Thatcher for any and every problem in today's society. They would do well to make a long hard study of the facts, but no doubt they are so brain-washed that they see every Coalition action as outrageous and every Labour action as commendable. Those who publicly danced and rejoiced at the death of an old lady who had dedicated her life to improving Britain bring shame to our country (and also the City of Glasgow) in the eyes of the world.

I really hope that most of the demonstrators can be shown to be simply embittered political agitators and not typical of the vast majority of Glaswegians. The city should dissociate itself from such tasteless actions which only serve to demonstrate the true vile nature of those who took part. Regrettably, I suppose this is the unacceptable face that must be endured by decent citizens in a free society.

Many of these vile "party-goers" were simply anarchists and subversive far left groups. Most of them are callow youths who know nothing of the Thatcher years or her real achievements, but simply gormlessly use anti-Thatcher rhetoric. They are the professional protesters who turn out to support any anti-authority cause. They fail to appreciate the country they live in which gives them the freedom to conduct their tasteless and pathetic behaviour.

I trust that the watching world recognises them for what they are and does not associate them with the folk of Glasgow.
Makem
QUOTE (tarheels @ 12th Apr 2013, 02:49pm) *
I MAY LIVE IN OJAI CALIF. BUT WHO AMONG YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER , CHEER'S MS THATCHER.

I MAY LIVE IN OJAI CALIF. BUT WHO AMONG YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER , CHEER'S MS THATCHER.

Sadly, Mrs. Thatcher was much more appreciated and respected by people abroad (where she ranks as a towering figure in modern politics) than by many of her fellow countrymen. History will bring a truer and kinder appreciation of her achievements.
Irene Maltman
I havent lived in Scotland for many years although I have not become an American citizen so I feel my loyalties are still with the country of my birth however I think that the young people who danced in the streets did for the wrong reasons. I wish they would use their energy in protesting injustices that are happening at this very moment in other parts of the world. It seems to me that they were just out there wanting attention, like little children "being bad". It saddens me to hear that Glasgow is still a very cruel place, when I return to Scotland, I doubt that Glasgow wii see me.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (tarheels @ 12th Apr 2013, 02:49pm) *
I MAY LIVE IN OJAI CALIF. BUT WHO AMONG YOU COULD HAVE DONE BETTER , CHEER'S MS THATCHER.


How about the 5.2 million who presently live in Scotland?
gracebarrett
I also hated the Thatcher years but its history and we should leave it at that what she did can't be mended but we can hold our heads up and say we got through it ,some loved her more hated her but we should never be anything but dignified so it made me angry to see Glasgow on tv for all the wrong reasons and most of the so called party were out to shame us and at what cost ( give Glaswegians a bad name ) mud sticks . I for one say don't buy the papers don't put on the tv let them bury the woman and get it over with we have more than that to worry about these days ,so to all you Glaswegians lets move on and to those who held the party ,shame on you it did Glasgow no favours at all .
droschke7
All these complaints about the party in George Square, what about the parties in Bristol, London and Liverpool to mention just a few. People should stop with the Mia Culpa and realise that the majority of people didn't like her or what she stood for, and they should also realise that David Cameron is carrying on her policies.
Guest
Mrs. Thatcher was an inspiration to the women of this country, ignoring glass ceilings and prejudice and achieving the highest position in the land. She is acknowledged as one of our all-time great PM's. She trounced the hopeless hard-line left wing marxists and communists who infested our unions and they have never forgiven her. They could not resist her in life and so now, in death they seek mindless "revenge".

Mrs. Thatcher imposed desperately needed reform on these dinosaurs for the sake of our country...and if they seek to return to their old ways they will rightly become extinct. We need fair and sensible unions, not bigoted hard left prejudice and political clap-trap. Mrs. Thatcher laid firm foundations to curb destructive and non-democratic union power and ensure that the country cannot again be held to ransom by self-serving union barons with marxist tendencies masquerading as champions of the people.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (droschke7 @ 12th Apr 2013, 07:24pm) *
People should stop with the Mia Culpa and realise that the majority of people didn't like her or what she stood for, and they should also realise that David Cameron is carrying on her policies.

And of course you will vote NO next year droschke7 giving Cameron a mandate to do just that.

Is it just me?
Guest
No coal miners dockers steel workers amonst them. The ones thats supposed to hate her. They where all just rent a mobs looking for excuses to offendpeople and get on the telly. and just beacuase it happened in England to dont make it right!
Alex Saville
Good for them! Thatcher deserves all the vitrol she gets.
Respect for her is not compulsary, it has to be earned. She didn't earn any here or in any working class area.
Isn't this a Democrecy?
Are people to bow down to those think she should not be judged on her performance?
If any of you want to kiss her bahookie, thats up to you. Thats your choice, other's though, like those in George Square, are entitled to their's.

She introduced choice in the sale of Gas & Electricity? Funny how my gas is still delivered by Scottish Gas although I pay Scottish Power. So how much of that is creamed off by S/Gas before they sell it to S/Pr?
They dont cream off some? I dont think so!
Same with electricity, so S/Pr dont cream off some when they sell to E-on and others? Do me a favour!
The railways are supposed to be 'Free Enterprise'. So how come the taxpayer pays for the trains?
Made abroad, of course.

Those abroad who look on Thatcher with Rose Tinted Glass's didn't have the misfortune to be here when she was in action. If they were, how come they left?
As to the poster who referred to the George Square party goers as "Scum", by your own admission you had drug & alchohol problems. Maybe those in George Square think your "Scum".
I you dont like Canada, leave! dont think you'll be missed!
vic123
if the tories thought that much of thatcher they would have not stab her in the back to get rid of her and be afraid to say her name. you would think they would pay for her funeral as the have all the money from ripping of the poor. who said these people were socialist as they may come from well of family's who's mother and father have retired early and who are know ripping the rest of us of by claiming for things they don't need.
farrochie
Was Thatcher's support for the Khmer Rouge lead us to sorrow for her, or should our sympathy go to the Cambodians who continued to suffer as a result of Westminster policy.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-thatcher-...pol-pot/5330873

QUOTE:
"In 1991, I interviewed a member of “R” (reserve) Squadron of the SAS, who had served on the border. “We trained the KR in a lot of technical stuff – a lot about mines,” he said. “We used mines that came originally from Royal Ordnance in Britain, which we got by way of Egypt with marking changed . . . We even gave them psychological training. At first, they wanted to go into the villages and just chop people up. We told them how to go easy . . .”"


Pilger's video should be watched by those interested in recent history and the part played by the UK government of the time under Thatcher.
http://vimeo.com/16496040
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