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An historic agreement setting out the terms for a Scottish independence referendum was signed today by Prime Minister David Cameron and First Minister Alex Salmond.

The agreement, struck in Edinburgh, paves the way for a vote in autumn 2014, with a single Yes/No question on Scotland leaving the UK.

It will also allow 16 and 17-year-olds to take part in the ballot.

Rather than wait for 2014, it was suggested on the boards that we should have our own referendum today ... so here it is! Just answer the single yes/no question below.

Also, tells us your views on whether you think Scots living abroad should get a vote in the referendum in 2014?

GG.
Jennifer Hutt
I cannot see anywhere to vote.
GG
Hi Jennifer,

You should see the voting options in the first post above. However, you do need Flash installed to see the poll – this is the technology the poll runs on. If you don't have Flash, you will probably see a list of adverts.

You can download Flash for your browser here:

http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/

Hopefully, you will then be able to vote.

GG.
laura j
Not while alec salmonds involved - couldnt see extra poll re-ex pats - no they shouldnt.
GG
Thanks Laura, there's no vote for that, it was just inviting discussion on whether ex-pats should be given the right to vote in the referendum. I've changed the wording above to make it a bit clearer.

GG.
Noonan McKane
My answer to the secondary question is: No. Absolutely not. No ex pat of anywhere should be entitled to vote in elections held in their home nation. To me it's a total no-brainer; I can scarcely believe it when I hear people argue in favour of it. What right does a person who lives in Canada or New Zealand have to a say in how I get governed? I might as well say I want a vote in the next Spanish general election, so I can make sure it's all nice and tidy when I go there for my holidays.

It's even more amazing to hear recent arguments against prisoners retaining their voting rights. (usually from the same sort of folk who argue FOR Joe & Agnes of Vancouver to vote for Westminster and Holyrood..!) Prisoners are still citizens, are still certainly liable to taxation in some, probably many, of it's forms, and of course not all guilty of the crimes for which they've been convicted. If we insist on stripping prisoners of their vote, I'd insist no police officer on the South Yorkshire force be allowed to vote again, ever. Or get their bins emptied. Fair's fair.

So, it's 'no' from me.
Bonny
YESSSSSSSSSSSSS thumbup.gif

From a friend

For all those that think Scotland couldn't go it alone......

Scotland has:
1. 90% of the North Sea continental shelf under international law
2. Almost half of the entire EU renewable potential (onshore, offshore and tidal)
3. 50%+/- of the entire global subsea engineering expertise
4. A booming biomedicine, pharmaceutical and genetics industry
5. More patents per head of population than any other part of the UK, second only to Germany in the EU
6. A booming food exports market
7. A booming whisky industry
8. A booming software industry
9. A smaller population than London, but equal productivity (richest part of entire UK outside London)
10. And while the UK saw a drop in tourism in 2012, even with the Olympics, our visitor rate increased by 7%

Oh, and lets not forget - fresh water, the commodity of the future.

We could finance ourselves solely on the income we earn selling water to drought-ridden UK. Unlike parts of England, when Scots drink a glass of tap water, we know it'll be the first and last time that water will be drank. I believe the average glass of London tap water has passed through a human being and been reprocessed at least 7 times? Correct me if I'm wrong...
angel
As an Ex.Pat., I do not think that we should vote in / on this referendum , allowed or not .

Leave those domiciled in Scotland to do whatever they wish , it is they who live there , I am a Canadian with my Canadian Passport and thats enough for me .

As long as I can visit when I have the mind to do so , I'm satisfied .
RDP
We will never be truly independent; all we will do is swap control from London to the Hague. If you don't live here and pay taxes then you don't get a vote, plain and simple.
Bonny
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Bonny
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Dear Independence Supporter

As organiser of the 2012 March and Rally I am dismayed, but not at all surprised, by the utterly inaccurate reporting by several newspapers regarding the figures reported as turnout for last Saturday and also the negative headlines with which they used the March and Rally to attack the Scottish Government.

The facts are that our attendance was 9,500. That is the reality, not the extremely inaccurate and adhoc method employed by an 'official' at the Meadows. This figure was derived by a cursory glance and calculation based on that glance - from the top if our bus!

Of course the media are, by and large, only to happy to seize upon any opportunity to attack the Scottish Government and in the past few months we have witnessed the intensification of that wholly unprofessional behaviour. Previously it barely passed as journalistic reporting but now it more closely resembles the press office of the NO CAMPAIGN.

In particular the Scotsman and DC Thomson have recently thrown to the wind any attempts to cover their contempt for fair and balanced reporting.

Recently we have seen senior journalists move positions from the Scotsman to DC Thomson, etc and as a result what was once a company that rose above the gutter press in Scotland has now joined the growing band of media outlets which take their orders from the boardroom - a boardroom which invariably has connections to the Conservative party. Whilst this is no surprise to us, and of course many of yourselves, what is distasteful is the collusion of the Labour party working together with the Tories in Scotland.

Each has a different reason but essentially it is to serve their own self-interests. The debate of what independence offers Scotland is ignored as the spend all their time colluding together to release the latest scare story, often including lies.

It's inevitable that these negative and relentless attacks will intensify in their frequency and voracity - reporting the truth is not even a passing consideration for the Courier in Dundee or The Scotsman any more.

It is OUR responsibility to fight back.
Yalnig
The reason I would vote no at this time for an Independant Scotland, it purely Salmond the Grasper, He participated as an Mp for both England and Scotland purely for monetary reasons. Any decent Scotsman would have been content with Scotish Parliament only. I firmly believe that the vote and the 16 and 17 year old vote, is purely for his own benefit and his eye on a future position in Belgium where the big bucks is after he beats it from the Scottish Scene, just like Neil Kinnock.
Bonny
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Calling London - by Matt O'Neill.

What price did you pay for our nation,
When you dealt in political sleaze?
Well the price that you paid has been more than defrayed,
By the oil that you took from our seas.

How long did you think you could hold us?
How long would we play Britain’s whore?
Now we've broken the spell, sounded Liberty’s bell,
We’re the poor man of Europe no more.

The further you travel from London,
The thinner the jam will be spread,
When the border is crossed all the flavour is lost,
With the Highlanders eating dry bread.

When’s the last time you opened the window?
When’s the last time you let in the light?
Your empire is dead, get it into your head,
It went quietly into the night.

Now you’re planning to buy nuclear weapons,
An attempt to impress all your friends?
But the poor have to pay without having a say,
Maybe soon you will reach your world’s end.

You never could learn from your errors,
Never saw past your own urban sprawl,
But with Britain astern, maybe now you will learn,
Greed and ignorance was your downfall.

Now the northern shires of old England,
Look set to down tools and rebel,
How long will it take for their patience to break?
The clock’s ticking but no one can tell.
Libisa
For years, I always said no to independence as I always believed in the Union (by the way I was raised and still am a loyalist). But the way this whole country is being ruined by consecutive Westminster governments has turned me round.

I am placing a load of trust on Salmond to deliver the goods. The first thing I want back, is rights over our own oil and gas reserves. Westminster sold this to foreign powers who in turn sell it back to us at inflated prices.

We have no choice in the matter now, as things will only get worse if we remain part of the UK. As say, it is a chance we take and a big gamble at that. But we could be damned if we do, and certainly damned if we don't!
Bonny
Mc Crone Report - Top Secret

www.oilofscotland.org
Bonny
Oil Of Scotland

End poverty in Scotland - register to cast your vote in early 2014. We understand that many Scots avoid the electoral roll due to debt collection agencies etc using the electoral roll to track them down and demand they pay when they are unable to. In early 2014 it is important that all Scots register to vote as they are the people who would benefit most from Independence. As in an Independent Scotland we will have a chance to re write the way the unfair system works as it currently enforces poverty and does not make it worthwhile for low paid Scots to get a job.

The only way we as people will ever be given the right to vote on whether we remain part of the disfunctional EU, that costs each of us nearly 300 a year. Would be if we obtain Independence for Scotland as Westminster unlike Ireland would never give the people the respect of voting on the EU or the treaties rogues like Tony Blair signed on our behalf.

We believe that the SNP should declare that in an Independent Scotland the people of Scotland would be given a second ballot paper when they go to the polls 6 months after Independence is declared to vote on the Government who will govern Scotland. It may be a Scottish Labour, Scottish Liberal, Scottish Green, Scottish Conservative, Socialist or SNP party who win this election for who will govern an Independent Scotland. This election is something that a lot of Scots do not understand is an intergral part of post Independence SNP policy. Yes Alex Salmond is a federalist but he is only one member of the movement for Scottish Independence.

In our global economy with its global corporations, the people of this globe have become but pawns in the great scheme of things. In an Independent Scotland we as a nation of down to earth, fair level headed people could champion the Global Trade Union. A Union that would correct the balance between rich and poor. As the powerful and rich in this World are few. The threat of Global industrial action by the many, would force them into correcting the balance. Osbourne claims he will make the rich pay ... how ? The only way to correct the imbalance is by a power shift. This need not be messy as we have the networks inplace to stand up to those who ravage the earth and its people for selfish personal gain.

Scotland is a very rich nation, with abundant natural resources and a small defiant population. A population that can make a difference in the World. The UK is the fourth largest nation in the World when it comes to the defence drain. Spending 62.5 billion (that we know about?) a year. (Hey why do you not get 10 billion out of that fund Mr Osbourne) However we are only the sixth richest country in the World. Germany spends less on defence than the UK. The UK also gives some 40 billion on overseas aid, when 250,000 Children in Scotland live below the poverty line. When the people of Scotland say YES in 2014 the World will be listening.
Mrs L
Sadly, no I don't think those of us living abroad should be able to vote in the referendum
Take care Ellen (Mrs L)
PatBreslin
To Bonny's posts I would add that in the light of a growing desire for full independence the last Labour government and the present coalition have dampened down the North Sea Oil industry using tax meaures and made it look worthless to scare us away from independence.
What's needed is a promise to invest in rigourous training for everyone in Scotland.


Prisoners voting is absurd. Incarceration means society has decided you are no longer a full member. No voting rights. Unless that position is changed democratically. Not by a judge in another country.
Noonan McKane
QUOTE (Bonny @ 16th Oct 2012, 01:06am) *
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Oh, and lets not forget - fresh water, the commodity of the future.

We could finance ourselves solely on the income we earn selling water to drought-ridden UK. Unlike parts of England, when Scots drink a glass of tap water, we know it'll be the first and last time that water will be drank. I believe the average glass of London tap water has passed through a human being and been reprocessed at least 7 times? Correct me if I'm wrong...

You are, indeed. Quite wrong. Water is, sadly, finite. All our attempts to import it from other planets have thus far been unsuccessful, so we just use the same stuff over and over. (Google 'steam' or 'the water cycle' or 'the sun' or 'clouds' or something.)
Noonan McKane
QUOTE (Noonan McKane @ 16th Oct 2012, 02:09am) *
You are, indeed. Quite wrong. Water is, sadly, finite. All our attempts to import it from other planets have thus far been unsuccessful, so we just use the same stuff over and over. (Google 'steam' or 'the water cycle' or 'the sun' or 'clouds' or something.)

...wait,though: If we sell ALL our water to drought- ridden UK, wouldn't they become flood-ravaged UK, and then we'd be drought-ridden UK? I dunno if I'm more worried about being ridden or ravaged, me. I suppose they could sell us it all back (after they've drank it and pissed it out 7 times, obviously) and we could become a kind of self supporting OPEC style group of water exporters or somesuch kind of thing....
weecal
Anyone living abroad pemanently at the time of the referendum should NOT get a vote.
petunia
I have no wish to vote in any election in Scotland I am a Canadian and have lived here many years I am a duel citizen of the U.K. and Canada so as long as I retain what I have and can visit Scotland when I wish that is all I want.

I don't think people who do not reside in a country and pay taxes should have a say in the running of it.

What about Scots who live in England, Ireland, Wales or parts of Europe??
Noonan McKane
Exact same thing, Petunia. You wouldn't expect to get to vote in the council elections for North Ayrshire if you lived in East Sussex, for example, so I suppose people who live in England shouldn't expect to get a say in what happens to Scotland, however much they feel they ought to.

Having said that, this referendum will decide whether or not the UK is broken up, and the UK has 4 parts (even though they are all essentially 'regions' now, and only people born before 1707 can remember them as 'nation states') so one might wonder why wouldn't people in Wales, NI and England be consulted over whether or not they want a part of "Great Britain And Northern Ireland" (to give the UK it's Sunday name!) removed? If Wales, or England were planning a referendum in 2014, proposing this exact same thing, I'd want to vote. I'd want to vote no, because an independent England or an independent Wales is just as potty a notion as an independent Scotland, obviously.
Isobel
I have lived in Canada since 1973, I have a Canadian passport , and I am a Canadian citizen.. I would still like to be able to have a vote about what is going on in Scotland. However I do realize that I no longer have the right to a vote.I honestly believe that's how it should be. Once I became the citizen of another country I gave up all my rights.
Elma
You took the words right out of my mouth Isobel. I have been in Canada since 1967 and a Canadian citizen since 1972. I would love to see Scotland as an independent country and voted 'yes' in the GG poll but realize that is an emotional reaction although if I still lived in Scotland I would vote YES...YES...YES thumbup.gif
Noonan McKane
Elma, for goodness sake...why? Why would you 'love to see Scotland as an independent country'?

This isn't a rhetorical question. I honestly want you to tell me why you would love Scotland to be an independent country.

(PS I've lived in Scotland for as long as you've lived in Canada. Since the day I was born in 1967. I will die here. This is Scotland and this is Britain.)
Catarina
As a Scot, I have lived,and became a Canadian Citizen years ago..However. I would like to point out that it took me many years of residence in Canada to convince myself to become a Canadian Citizen.I am soo proud to be a Scot,from Glasgow.

As to your survey,re the question should Scotland seperate from England...I without hesitation,
voted...NO...then I thought to myself..."hey,you are not now,or in the future will be residing in Scotland,soo why should you even be given the privilege to vote?.

The answer to the above,is we face the same situation here in Canada....There is,and always has been,even violently,a Political force to declare Quebec a seperate Nation...

Look...My husband and I, have just arrived 'home in New Brunswick, after having visited family in Quebec, they,being in their early 40s,with young kids to offer an opinion as to..."seperation"....It was a resounding...NO.....Keep Quebec within Canada...

A UNITED KINGDOM,MUST BE AS THE WORD SAYS....UNITED...

PLEASE SCOTLAND .....STAY UNITED WITH ENGLAND.
Oldsmiddy
I did not vote, & my reason is, that although I'm still a Scot at heart, I left Scotland almost 50 years ago next month, & I'm now a Canadian Citizen, & I really don't think I now have the right to tell anyone who still calls Scotland home what to do. I personally think it's great for Scotland to have independance from England, & to have a say in their future, but I sincerely hope it would be beneficial financially & economically, but because of my absence for so long, I could not possibly offer a valid yes or no to a vote of independance. I still love the country of my birth, & my town of Coatbridge, which I haven't seen in a very long time, but still holds many pleasant & happy memories for me. Good luck for the future.
ScotsmanfraeItaly
Though now I'm far away, I'm still both Scottish AND British, I still feel being a Scotsman as one of the main reasons building up a true British citizenship, no mystery I've always been a unionist, a Labour unionist, and even if you told me a republic would be somewhat more democratic and "left-winged" I'd reply quickly: I live in a republic now and let me tell you... the UK's the more open-minded place I've ever been... Italy is no democracy, political parties rule over the people here, I don't want this to happen to Scotland, so I'd stick to the Kingdom and let the Queen be allowed not to pay taxes: it's always better than letting someone else do that (i.e. the Pope) and hence ruin your country's liberal and progressive attitudes...

Being a unionist does NOT mean being conservative at all, it doesn't even mean I'm Protestant (I may be Catholic, I wouldn't change my point of view), it doesn't mean "I'm in love with the English", oh not at all... Scottish and proud tae be, but if we do part company we're gonnae get intae troubled times, let alone I care for the Jack and that's enough fae me.
angel
As I have said before on this subject , make your government and politicians find ways to keep the United Kingdom together and not be looking for ways to break up the country .
Guest
You should have to be a citizen and on the voter's list in your district in Scotland- I don't think anyone else should have a say. j. macnab, canada
beth
I do not believe ex-pats of any country should be allowed to vote in the country they left. We chose to leave, for whatever reason, and any political decisions made will not affect us. We do not pay taxes in Britain and except for paying our pension, cos we always thought and still do think, that we would move back home, have had no input whatsoever. So, what right do we have in the decision making.

As for 16 and 17 year olds being able to vote, I do not agree with that. At that age I think their vote would be based on emotions and that is not a good thing. When I was 16 and 17 I was standing out in the rain handing out SNP posters cos I was in love with the idea of a free Scotland. It was nothing to do with politics or what would be good for Scotland, it was just a romantic idea and I loved being part of that scene
weebren3
I an for,all of Scotland,and yes I say ex pats have choices too.I live in Canada I am still A scot,s too. I will never change my status,give up my country it is my right,I payed Taxes and never took my pension,it will stay there all for Bonnie Scotland, it helps children who need funds for A better education wisdom for A better future.Adults too in need.So you see there maybe seats for Scottish Independence.This is my choice.I do hope for many more to keep fighting YEEEEEEEES
gordymac
No, expats should not be allowed to vote. Registered voters only.
Heat
No, only those who reside in Scotland should vote. Btw does anyone know big Sean Connery still has a home here(I can see a great big home coming for 2014 rolleyes.gif )?
runningrocker
As a proud nation, we the Scots need to stop and think for a minute,
whyis London so set against Scotland becoming an independant counrty?

Sure;y is Scotland was such the liability and drain on the resources of Great Britain as it is made out to be by the press, the media and the so called government itself, then surely London and the rest of GB would want to get rid of us as quickly as possible.

The reason they dont want to get rid of us is because Scotland has to much to of GB in the way of Electricity, Water, Gas, Oil, Petrolium Spirit and its derivitives, income from Whisky sales IRN BRU exports (yes its only a soft drink but exports to other countries is on the rise and not just for the ex-pats living there), good fishing grounds wheremuch of GB's exported fish derives (If London lose that again they lose income) and thats only th ones I know about ther is bount to be other industries bring in much income which at the moment is going to purse GB but purse Scotland doesnt benefit from.

Another reason is defence, London is dis-arming all of the scottish regiments in favour of keeping the english regements, if Scotland were independant then we would be able to keep all of our own historic and great military regements as wellas one of the best military fighting forces in the world.

Cpme on Scotland be a nation again, cme together and rise to the challenge in front of us so that we may continue the fight that Wallace and Bruce started many years ago rather than let london strip us, rape us and throw us to the side lines.

If the Isle of Mann can be independant (Yes they are independant you need to get a work permit etc to work in IOM, or permission to go and live there etc, they are in the strictest sence of the word independnat making all their own laws, having their own banks:different entierly from the way Scotland has its own banks as they are still governed by the bank of enngland IOM banks are not.). If they can we can.

Just think about what I said, why does Londan wanht to hang on to Scotland so much if we are the supposed bain, drain and pain in their econemy? Its not because they feel sorry for us its because we offer so much to the econemy in return we become the GB wasteland.
bilbo.s
While I am in general agreement with your post, I question why you are making a point (wrongly) about the spelling of whisky. Scotch (and usually Canadian whisky) is spelt without an "e", but Irish (and normally American) whiskey has the "e". unsure.gif
runningrocker
QUOTE (beth @ 16th Oct 2012, 06:19am) *
As for 16 and 17 year olds being able to vote, I do not agree with that. At that age I think their vote would be based on emotions and that is not a good thing. When I was 16 and 17 I was standing out in the rain handing out SNP posters cos I was in love with the idea of a free Scotland. It was nothing to do with politics or what would be good for Scotland, it was just a romantic idea and I loved being part of that scene

I have to disagree with you there and all who say that those at 16 and 17 should not get the vote, after all at 16 you can go into the armed forces and be trained to start defending the country in which you live, at 17 you after basic training, which can be anything from 8 weeks to months depending upon the regiment you join, go to war, why should these people defend a country in which they have no say in how it is run?

So at 16 and above you can legaly get married (parents concent neede)
at 17 married no consent needed own choice
at 16 you can drive certain vehicle both on and off the road with the proper licience
at 17 drive a car and in the military an HGV or LGV as they are called now
at 16 leave school get a job and pay taxes to help the country run

So at 16 and 17 people have to make a legal contribution and effort to help sustain as well as even protect the country they live in but they cant have a say in how its run, wrong,

You talk about emotional voting, their are many out there at years past 16 and 17 who vot emotionally, or vote the way they did years ago which was based on the way their family voted.
I at 16 and 17 they are being treated as adults for crime, driving and armed forces etc they they must be treated like adults for voting rights as well, equality is what we are after and through independance that is what we will get, not the narrow minded thinking of London.

we need to stop treating them like children for one thing and adults for another its no wonder children/young adults are so pissed off with the world these days, we tell you to do this, we tell you to do that, but you aint getting a say, thats the way your parents and teachers brought you up through your young childhood years, like a child.

Allow votes for 16 and 17 year olds or raise the age for joining the militry to 18, the age for paying taxes to 18, the age for driving to 18 and continue to pay out child benefit till they are 18 and legal to vote.
we cant have it both ways.....
farrochie
Is Scotland unique in the world in being a country unable to make its own decisions and manage its own affairs? The natural state for any country is Independence. Otherwise we are continuously subject to the governments elected by the larger constituency of another country. This consistently gives us a cycle of Tory and Labour administrations, both vying for the middle England vote, and Tory administrations are thereby guaranteed for Scotland in the future. Labour proposes that Tory 50% of the time is better than Scotland making its own decisions.

All of our Corporation tax, VAT, income tax and NI flows to Westminster. There, following the deduction of transaction costs (expenses and commissions included), decisions are made in London about how our money will be spent (take Trident, don't want London as a target, come and fight in Iraq too, 35 billion black hole in the defence budget!). Then some of our tax is returned to Scotland for our disposal. This is completeley inefficient and a waste of our money.

As we create our own economic and administrative arrangements, the big companies will invest heavily in Scotland to get a share of the big infrastructure projects that the Scottish government will be free to pursue, and our capital will be a real international capital.

Just some of the reasons I'll be voting YES to Scotland's Independence.
runningrocker
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 16th Oct 2012, 09:27am) *
While I am in general agreement with your post, I question why you are making a point (wrongly) about the spelling of whisky. Scotch (and usually Canadian whisky ) is spelt without an "e", but Irish (and normally American ) whiskey has the "e". unsure.gif

Sorrry my mistake sad.gif, I know I was in mid conversation about whiskey spelling with an American friend and actually typed what I was sayin to them. I have gone back and corrected this terrible mistake and I thank you for correcting me.

I also thank you for your support and agreement smile.gif

RR
Jupiter
I was just sitting reading, Rob Roy (1817) by Sir Walter Scott when I came across this incredible quote,"When we had a Scotch Parliament,Pate,says I, (AND DEIL RAX THEIR THRAPPLES THAT REFT US O`T) they sat dousely down and made laws for a haill country and kinrick.
I think I know how Sir Walter would vote in the referendum although I think his view on the Parcel of Rogues is a bit extreme. rolleyes.gif
Tam O'Shafter
Most of us paid our dues and taxes probably before many younger voters were born. Most probably lived in Scotland longer than you. Our fathers and many of us served in the armed forces of the country. Many were in proud Scottish regiments. Does it make us any less Scottish that many like myself lived in other countries. Does a person who has made their life south of the border have any less right to vote for independence. England is to my mind, always has been a foreign country. Or is it that posterity has granted to you a special dispensation to be more Scottish than the rest of us?

I am speaking as a direct descendant of Ian McKean of the McDonald. And this I must add gives me no special status than those Scots of Saxon, Norwegian, Norman, Irish or even Pakistani origin
Les
I think it is important to remember that the vote is to be cast based on the voter's residential status rather than birth. So, 'Scottishness' doesn't come in to it. Anyone eligible to vote in a UK election can get a vote in the referendum simply by moving to Scotland. Any ex-pat can make use of this trick if they can afford to. I wonder how your poll will reflect the fact that anyone with access can take part; even ex-pats like me living in England. Of course it is clear that most English based voters would vote to eject the Scots from the Union.
Rab
Dormant Members - ARISE! (Even if only to vote) thumbup.gif
DavidT
INDEPENDENCE v's DEPENDENCE. The yes vote is the only way for me.

Scotland would have a great future in renewable energies if only the fossil fuel energy companies would allow it. They are the ones who stand to lose out if we choose to take our power from the wind, the sea, hydro or the seldom seen sun. There has to be middle ground where we can use oil, gas and renewables. That only leaves the outmoded nuclear power industry out in the cold.
Jupiter
In the Union of the four countries I have always had the feeling for as long as I remember ,no facts data or figures to prove it,that England is number one two three and four in the pecking order and then there is the other three.Im in my early 60s and this is the last opportunity I will ever have to call myself a Scot,part of an independant stand alone nation and equal with all .Thats why I vote yes,call it heart over head but for me thats how it is.
Re ex pats who have made their lives abroad,good luck to them, but no vote.
16-17 year olds for the vote? Most certainly.This is as big a decision for them as anyone.They are the nations future and at present Scottish law gives them many voting rights at this age so it should be with the referenum.
alex smillie
Scotland has lost most of its manufacturig industries thanks to Maggie.
How many firms of any size are run from a Scottish headquarters, Halls of Broxburn are a prime exsample of Scottish compasnies being closed down, how many more if we go it alone.
mlconnelly
I'm still very undecided about Scottish independence, my heart says go for it but my head says no. Everyone has made very good arguments for independence but I'm just not conviced yet. Can anyone actually tell me what the practicalities of being independent are going to be. How will things like our health service be structured, how much will we have to pay in income tax and how will that money be spent, will there be jobs and if so were are thes jobs going to come from. Its things like these, among other things, that I want to know about. Without the relevent information, how can anyone make an informed choice?
As far as 16/17 year olds being allowed to vote, why not? If they are old enough to pay tax, if they're lucky enough to find a job, then they are old enough to decide how that money should be spent.
And at the risk of offending all expats, no, you shouldn't be allowed to vote. You don't live here so why would you be allowed to vote?
Out of curiosity, how many expats would be prepared to come back and live here if Scotland did gain indepenence?

Jupiter
I think that 16-17 year old will play a big part in deciding the outcome.
*Peter*
QUOTE (Libisa @ 16th Oct 2012, 01:27am) *
For years, I always said no to independence as I always believed in the Union (by the way I was raised and still am a loyalist). But the way this whole country is being ruined by consecutive Westminster governments has turned me round.

I am placing a load of trust on Salmond to deliver the goods. The first thing I want back, is rights over our own oil and gas reserves. Westminster sold this to foreign powers who in turn sell it back to us at inflated prices.

We have no choice in the matter now, as things will only get worse if we remain part of the UK. As say, it is a chance we take and a big gamble at that. But we could be damned if we do, and certainly damned if we don't!

I am from pretty much the same background and held the same views, and now? I am again aligned with your views. I am now firmly on the YES side as it is the only way forward for Scotland.
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