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SNP Health Secretary Nicola Sturgeon will tomorrow announce that Scotland is to adopt a 50p-per-unit minimum alcohol price. The measure is intended to tackle problem drinking by increasing the cost of cheap vodka, lager and cider. The 50p figure is higher than the original 45p proposed by ministers two years ago, and is rumoured to have caused a split within the Scottish cabinet.

The minimum pricing policy will be implemented from next year, making the cheapest bottle of wine 4.69, while a four-pack of lager would cost at least 3.52, and a two-litre bottle of strong cider 6.

While the SNP government says that the pricing policy will save the NHS money and encourage people to live better lives, opposition groups argue that the bill will penalise modest drinkers, enrich supermarkets by creating higher profit margins, and could break EU competition law.

Minimum pricing has been promoted by health campaigners, while the SNP government claims that alcohol abuse is a "brake on Scotland's social and economic growth".

Labour health spokeswoman Jackie Baillie said:
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"At a time when public finances are being squeezed, it makes no sense to hand over 100million to supermarket shareholders. We need to invest in alcohol education and treatment."

The Wine and Spirit Trade Association claim that the policy will punish even modest consumers.

Will minimum unit pricing policy help solve some of Glasgow's entrenched social and other drink-related problems? Please post your opinion...


GG.
Jupiter
Now that this is about to become a reality I cannot see the Licensed Trade and the big supermarkets just accepting this and I do expect to see legal issues being raised.No doubt the govt has done its homework and been advised this is legal but Im sure it will end up in the courts.
Supermarkets are bound to make more per bottle but will sales plummet?
Is this the beginning of cross border trips to north England towns to stock up?
Does any of our posters have knowledge of this sort of thing in other countries?
I do know that Norway has punitive taxes on alcohol.
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pumps100
I'm a convert to minimum alcohol pricing (MAP). Many countries throughout the world implement forms of MAP - for example in Canada many of the provinces have their own regulations.

It has been proven that the relative price of alcohol has a direct correlation to the amount of alcohol consumed. I looked at the practical side of this in the 'three for a tenner' thread below. I think it was post no. 68 - this was based on a notional price of 45p per unit (this is where I still think we will end up). There will be little effect if any other that to rid ourselves of the 3 litres of White Star/supermarket ciders for 1.89 - and supermarket own label spirits.

http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.ph...22193&st=60

On the subject of Cider - and I've been doing some research - do you know that 'tax breaks' introduced in 2000 for the UK cider industry means that cider including the high strength 'white' variety can be sold cheaper than fizzy water. A supermarket can make the same gross margin on two bottles of 1.89 'cider' than by selling a bottle of whisky at 12! I always wondered by these allegedly reputable supermarkets sold these alky drinks - it's all about PROFIT!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/201...ense-alcoholics

And as for the common misconception about the price of alcohol when compared to former times studies have shown that alcohol in the UK in 2012 is significantly less costly than it was for example in 1980. This also covered in one of the later posts in 'three for a tenner'.

Regarding minimum alcohol pricing, I always say to people to do the sums before rejecting - I was once a skeptic but please forget knee jerk reactions -it really does make sense, honestly.

Regards

Ian
norrie123
In my opinion this wont stop the hardened drinker but may affect the social drinker
me? I will buy what I like and stuff the SNP
I dont drink cheap vodka or cider but no doubt what I drink will rise in price
I can see the sense in raising taxes for the good of the nation but surely this price increase will only benefit the supermarkets or am I missing something

I cant see cross border trips to get cheaper drink but if there is, get me some Malt Whisky biggrin.gif

Bye for now, norrie
Jazzsaxman
Will this put a stop to a big problem or simply move the burden on to the tax payer elsewhere, as in benefits. I think big brother should stop telling everyone what to do. It is the little termites in the government departments eating away at our freedom and liberties. The countries that tried to find a solution to the people problem ended up with Stalags and Concentration Camps. Is this what we are heading for. They need to deal with trouble makers and stop punishing the decent folk in this country. Of course this is just the easy way out.
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geezwan

I think that alcohol has been too cheap for a long time. I'm miffed that most beverages will double in price but bottles of wine etc should be seen as an extravagance. Not an everyday thing.

I think it's ridiculous that alcohol has become such a plague on our society and our NHS, I'll be interested to see if this makes any difference to the percentage or drunk and disorderly callouts or A&E etc.

I have a funny feeling it will make sweet f.a of a difference.
UPYKLT
Most of the people who are drinking the cheap crap, stole the money to get it in first place, so it isn't going to make the slightest difference to them. It would have been better to provide better education on drinking starting in the schools!
Weeman
Help ma boab! Kin ah no' get any peace in ma ain country? I wish all these do-gooders would just leave us alcoholics alone!

I vote for zero % -per-unit alcohol price, that'll sort the greedy supermarkets and government out I'm sure. Why can't us 'alkies' get a decent deal like buy one and get two free? I'd vote for that in a minute!

Scotland the Brave? More like 'Scotland, one of the most politically correct wee countries in the world'.

Fortunately, I'm old and I'll be dead soon - hopefully of alcohol poisoning! (if I can afford it) thumbup.gif
droschke7
My Local Off Sales charge 4:50 for 4 cans of Tennants and 5 for a bottle of wine what exactly is the 50p unit limit supposed to do? Do these people even go to an off sales?
droschke7
QUOTE (pumps100 @ 14th May 2012, 12:01am) *
I'm a convert to minimum alcohol pricing (MAP). Many countries throughout the world implement forms of MAP - for example in Canada many of the provinces have their own regulations.

It has been proven that the relative price of alcohol has a direct correlation to the amount of alcohol consumed. I looked at the practical side of this in the 'three for a tenner' thread below. I think it was post no. 68 - this was based on a notional price of 45p per unit (this is where I still think we will end up). There will be little effect if any other that to rid ourselves of the 3 litres of White Star/supermarket ciders for 1.89 - and supermarket own label spirits. ...

Easy for you to say Ian But last time i looked Reading wasn't in Scotland,
Guest
I was born in Glasgow. Now at 56 years young live in Seattle Washington USA.

This is a crazy law. If I want to drink . . . I will drink . . . the increased cost will come from somewhere else . . . unfortunately, if I was younger the wains would have less to eat.
pumps100
Here's some sums from what was said in post 68 in the 'three for a tenner' thread. Most people have not clicked the link hence many of the responses.

Note these figures are based on 45p per alcohol unit (I still believe this is where we will end up):-
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4 cans of 440ml 5% beer. Units: 8.8 – MP cost 3.96 – Actual cost 4 so no change/effect
1 bottle wine 750ml 13%. Units: 9.75 – MP cost 4.39 – Actual cost c. 4.49 so no change/effect
1 bottle Bells 750ml 40%. . Units: 30 – MP cost 13.50 – Actual about the same so no change/effect
4 cans of 440ml 5% beer. Units: 8.8 – MP cost 3.96 – Actual cost 4 so no change/effect

4 cans of 568ml 5.3% cider. Units: 12 – MP cost 5.40 – Actual Coop cost 4 so would change
1 bottle Tesco Vodka 700ml. Units: 28 – MP cost 12.65 – Actual cost 9.29 so would change
1 bottle (2L) Tesco 'value' cider. Units: 15.2 – MP cost 6.84 – Actual cost 1.69 so would change

With regard to the comment about where I live. If people can recall it was Scotland which was one of the first to introduce the ban in smoking in public places – many other jurisdictions followed on including England. Again following the groundwork done in Scotland, David Cameron has recently announced that his government also plans to introduce Minimum Alcohol Pricing (at 45p).

Regards

Ian
GG
In the Scotsman today:
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SNP’s minimum pricing plans of 50p 'hands big stores 155m'

Controversial proposals for a sharp increase in plans to raise the minimum price for alcohol from 45p to 50p will hand supermarkets an extra 11 per cent multi-million pound boost in revenue from drink sales, the leader of CBI Scotland has warned.

Iain McMillan's intervention came as health secretary Nicola Sturgeon is today expected to confirm that the SNP government will set the price per unit of alcohol at 50p.

Opponents have previously claimed that the SNP's failed attempt to introduce a 45p per unit price two years ago would lead to a 140 million annual windfall for supermarkets. ...

Full story here:
http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/polit...-155m-1-2292661

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marty45
We did't have as many problems with young people getting alcohol before all these wee corner shops sold alcohol. They don't care who they sell it to as long as money is going into the tills. There are so many of them that they can't be regulated. At least in the big supermarkets staff know if they are caught they will get into bother. This government is only giving us more problems because more people will be drinking in the house, we don't have a social life any more, people can't afford it. They are not hitting the underage drinkers who will get alcohol any way. They are hitting the poor men and woman who work and like to go out at the weekend.So many pubs are closing down there will be nowhere to go so the problems will escalate. The licensing board should not be giving out more drinks licences but helping the pubs who already have one. Socialising will be a thing of the past shortly. Again it is the poor working saps who suffer.
kenb
it wouldnt bother me if it was 100 per unit , but why always do the right get cuffed by the wrong
kenb
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john fegan
I don't know if the minimum pricing will work but I do know it is a measure that must be tried. The only opposition to it is the opposition parties. Police, medical services and alcohol abuse organisations all agree that it must be tried. Other countries including England and Wales are trying a form of the same.

The Scottish Government have been consistent in saying it cannot be a stand alone policy and other measures must run parallel. That is correct.

A big play is made of the moderate drinker being hit hard, well as a moderate drinker I say the opposite. The very fact that I drink moderately means that any extra I pay will be ....well...moderate.

It is the heavy drinkers who will feel it in the pocket, it is the budding drinkers who will feel it in their pocket. These are the targets and if some inroads can be made here, especially within the younger element then it will have been successful. If not then other measures will be tried.

We live in a society where in some parts of this city people are afraid to leave their homes for fear of the groups of mostly young people who gather and drink, they are afraid of alcohol induced attack. So to sit on our hands and do nothing is not on, and anyone who advocates this is contributing to the problem. mad.gif
ashfield
This will have no impact on the problem of alcohol abuse because nothing is being done to tackle the root cause. The effect will be exactly the same as the previous, ludicrous law introduced by this government, we are denied deals being in the same stores in the rest of Britain (although we can get them by ordering on line) and I can't go shopping before 10am if I am buying any alcohol. Totally and utterly pointless.
Heather
I don't think it will make any difference to Alcoholics as they will always find the money, it's their families who will suffer with less money for food and clothing.
*BOB*
This will only hit people like myself who like a whisky or two and as a pensioner put it out of my reach.
But the young ones will still manage to get the money to buy drink.
This will not stop it.
pumps100
Jennifer Trueland wrote a detailed article in the Caledonian Mercury in January this year concerning Minimum Alcohol Pricing as part of an overall alcohol strategy.

It is really worth reading the whole article. Professor Timothy Stockwell of the University of Victoria in British Columbia at the Centre of addiction studies has advised the governments in both Scotland and England.

But here is Jennifer Trueland on why the alcohol industry does not want minimum pricing:-
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This is why the alcohol industry – much of it at any rate – is against minimum pricing. What they don’t want is a clear governmental message that their product can be harmful – and who can blame them, as that’s how they make their money? And they have a good point in many cases – minimum pricing would have no actual effect on top-of-the-range malts, for example, because they already cost more per unit than even the wildest dreams of the pricing advocates. But the message that sends out – that alcohol can cause harm – could cause sales to take a hit.

What’s more, if Scotland pushes ahead with this, then she certainly won’t be alone. Other parts of the UK are already signalling pretty strongly that they are likely to follow suit, such as Northern Ireland (a fellow nation with an alcohol problem). Look at what happened with the ban on smoking in public places. Once a couple of jurisdictions introduced it, then much of the rest of the world followed like a set of dominoes.

Alcohol is different to smoking, of course – drinking in moderation can even confer health benefits, unlike the evil weed. So it’s understandable that the alcohol industry does not want to be (low) tarred with the same brush.

Link to full article which is well worth reading:

http://caledonianmercury.com/2012/01/10/co...alcohol/0027064

Regards

Ian
mlconnelly
I don't think it will make much difference. Like everything else, if they really want something they'll find the money somewhere. And as Heather says, sadly its usually the families of the drinker who suffer most. I think education from a young age is the way to go and introducing small amounts of alcohol, say some watered down wine with a meals, as they have done in Europe for centuries is 1 wat to go. We are told from a young age that we can't drink alcohol until we're 18, then once we reach 18 and think we know it all, its too late to try to teach moderation. Mary
john.mcn
Brilliant news. Anyone who picks booze over food for their weans should not only have them removed but be put in jail. Higher prices in the 'offies' and supermarkets will help the pubs, people stopped going due to low supermarket prices, now those will be higher they might as well go to the pub.

(off topic)
Anyway is it just me or does anyone else think that a Health spokesperson (shadow or otherwise) should actually look like a healthy person, not someone who loses the fight with a plate of pies every night.Maybe it's a Glasgow thing because some Glasgow council gym employees look like they've never used the facilities themselves.
annemarie_m
I hope they feel this will help out very young kids from drinking. A lot of kids have drink within the house.

Everyone in front of you at the supermarket buys alcohol. A wee bread and anything else? but beer, wine and any alcohol on offer from the supermarket.

A lot of people are drinking at home, its cheaper than going out to a pub. Maybe not drinking at home but going out maybe once a month would be good for them. No drinking with children around.
Plain Jane
Good for Nichola Sturgeon - never mind all the selfish moaners. What about all the hardship and unhappiness drink can cause - all the kids downing copious amounts of alcohol and maybe in later years wasting their lives and the lives of others and having liver damaged into the bargain - this is what it's all about - not whether all our rights are being interfered with or whether we can't afford the extra - drink a bit less and face up to life as it is, not through a happy haze! .... and by the way, I too enjoy a wee glass of wine excl.gif
aussiejimmy
Over here in Aussie (Victoria) pubs and Clubs are strictly monitored re serving alcohol to patrons who have had too much. This appears to have had some affect as the law is heavily enforced and proprieters dont want to lose their businesses. Aussies drink as much if not more than Glasgow patrons. Sounds like the corner shops need strict scrutiny as this is where our kids start drinking, the vicious circle. If the corner shops are not regulated then the problem persists and Joe Blow foots the bill for the cleanup which can last for years a lot of mazoola. Dont get me wrong I drink and learned to do so in my home town Glasgow but age gives sensability and moderation keeps me reasonably sharp.
Scotsman
Has anyone worked out if this new law will effect the price of a bottle of Buckie? Thats the drink of choice round here for the kids out on the randan.... so unless that has its price hiked sky-high then theres not going to be much difference here in the East End!!
Jupiter
The Licensing Scotland Act makes it an offence to be in,enter or attempt to enter licensed premises whilst under the influence but whether it is enforced is a different matter.I dont frequent pubs but when I did it was a rare sight indeed to see Police officers come in and I only think they do so when they are summoned.The new law as far as Im concerned is the proverbial sledgehammer to crack a nut scenario.
Scotsman how much was Buckie the last time you bought it?
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Scotsman
Hauf a shillin!! smile.gif
pumps100
QUOTE (Scotsman @ 14th May 2012, 01:46pm) *
Has anyone worked out if this new law will effect the price of a bottle of Buckie? Thats the drink of choice round here for the kids out on the randan.... so unless that has its price hiked sky-high then theres not going to be much difference here in the East End!!

Unfortunately, the ASBO's drink of choice in Scotland, Buckfast would not be affected by minimum alcohol pricing even at 50p per unit. The alcohol content is 15% so a 75 cl bottle would have 11.25 units of alcohol. At 50p a unit it would cost 5.62 under minimum pricing. As I believe it already sells for about 6-7 minimum pricing would have no effect.

Down in England we are blighted by cider - particularly the white variety (Frosty Jacks, White Star). The market leader was White Lightening but Heineken dumped it as they did not want to be associated with it.

White Cider has been compared to heroin for alcoholics. Alcohol Concern carried out a study of white cider and street drinkers - you need a strong constitution to read the report - it is simply shocking. Supermarkets should be ashamed of themselves for selling such stuff.

http://www.alcoholconcern.org.uk/publicati...street-drinkers

Regards

Ian
pumps100
QUOTE (droschke7 @ 14th May 2012, 02:00am) *
My Local Off Sales charge 4:50 for 4 cans of Tennants and 5 for a bottle of wine what exactly is the 50p unit limit supposed to do? Do these people even go to an off sales?

The above is a good example. Under minimum alcohol pricing even at 50p a unit there would be absolutely no effect on this carry-out. The prices would be exactly the same.

4 cans of Tennents assuming 440ml cans and 4% alcohol. This is a total of 7.04 units of alcohol. 7.04 X 50p = 3.52. You are already paying 4.50 so no change or effect.

1 bottle of wine 75 cl and assuming 13% alcohol. This is 9.75 units @50p = 4.87. You are already paying 5 so no change or effect.

It is not until you do the sums you see that minimum alcohol pricing makes sense as it targets cheap ciders, superlagers, & unbranded spirits.

For Norrie, Bob and others who have commented it will not effect your wee drams of whisky at home, or the cost of drink in the pub. Unless, of course some of you are partial to the likes of Frosty Jack's white cider - currently 3.15 will get you a 3 litre bottle containing 22.5 units of alcohol - almost a man's weekly recommended amount of units in one handy bottle. But I very seriously doubt whether anyone on this Board would be doing that!

Regards

Ian
enrique
angry.gif here we go again , another lame excuse for bumping up the prices , away back in the 20s and 30s when we had real poverty , those who were desperate for a drink managed to get one no matter what , its still the same in this day and age , those who are desperate will do what they can for a booze up , so look out for a big rise in muggings, shop theft, and burglaries so that means to cover this we will have price rises to cover the losses and insurance hikes for the same reason, but our politicians will not be affected they will just bang it onto the old expense sheet as usual and will anything be done , you have guessed it NOWT.
Scotsman
QUOTE (pumps100 @ 14th May 2012, 02:48pm) *
Unfortunately, the ASBO's drink of choice in Scotland, Buckfast would not be affected by minimum alcohol pricing even at 50p per unit. The alcohol content is 15% so a 75 cl bottle would have 11.25 units of alcohol. At 50p a unit it would cost 5.62 under minimum pricing. As I believe it already sells for about 6-7 minimum pricing would have no effect.

Thanks pumps100.... your arithmetic is better than mine!!

So I dont get it now because if its not going tackle the real problem drinkers in our area then what is the point of it really. I agreee with enrique. The poor and the ones who are desperate are always going to find some way of getting what they think they need. Most of them sit in their house and drink but what harm are they doing except to themselves.... and probably because they think they have nothing else better to do. If your poor and you know it in this society then what else have you got going for you but to look forward to a good cheap drink.... at least that is something you can look forward to and whose to say that this is wrong??
pumps100
QUOTE (Scotsman @ 14th May 2012, 06:11pm) *
... If your poor and you know it in this society then what else have you got going for you but to look forward to a good cheap drink.... at least that is something you can look forward to and whose to say that this is wrong??

You might be right - like white cider. The new 'methadone' for alcoholics! They can just sit at home drinking from those big plastic bottles causing no harm to anybody but themselves.

Here's some stuff which is from Alcohol Concern regarding cider - huge bottles with your weekly recommended dose in one convenient bottle and all for the cost of a pint.

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It may be cheap, but white cider, the drink of choice for many homeless alcoholics, commands big profits.

A new report by the charity Alcohol Concern suggests profit margins on white cider are significantly fatter than those on other alcoholic drinks, thanks in part to tax breaks designed to help traditional British cider makers.

Cans of brands such as White Ace, Carbon White and White Star sell for as little as 59p. "It's because it's so cheap and it has a very quick effect on you," said Gordon Cowper, 52, a recovering alcoholic who now works for the homelessness charity Thames Reach in London.

"Most drinks are quite hard to drink, like whisky and stuff like that. With cider, you put a little bit of lemonade in it with the first one and then you can start knocking it back."

Many said they believed the drink produced far more stomach problems than other forms of alcohol. Several described a burning sensation as they drank the cider.

Jeremy Swain, chief executive of Thames Reach, said: "You see techniques like when they [white cider drinkers] drink out of a can, they'll pierce a hole in the end to release the gas and down it very quickly as the lack of bubbles means a quicker hit to the brain. It bears a likeness to that of a heroin addict who will inject into the groin because it produces the fastest effect."

Full article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/201...ense-alcoholics

regards

Ian
GG
Minimum alcohol pricing was widely covered in the English press today, partly because David Cameron is looking at it for the rest of Britain (the Tories and Lib Dems support the SNP policy in Scotland), and, if you believe the Daily Mail, because the English expect marauding hordes of Jocks to storm over the border in search of cheap cider!

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Independent: Sam Bowman, head of research at economic think tank the Adam Smith Institute, was scathing of the charge, branding it "a miserable, Victorian-era measure that explicitly targets the poor and the frugal, leaving the more expensive drinks of the middle classes untouched".

He said: "It's regressive and paternalistic, treating people as if they're children to be nannied by the Government."

Britons "drink less than we did 10 years ago, less than we did 100 years ago and far less than we did in the 19th century".

Mr Bowman said: "Hysteria about drinking alcohol is a red herring invented by the health lobby. Health fascism is back with a vengeance and minimum alcohol pricing is just another brick in the wall."

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Guardian: While the Scottish pub trade and some brewers who specialise in premium brands support minimum pricing, the measure is opposed by the large retailers and the spirits industry. The Scotch Whisky Association again warned that minimum pricing was likely to be illegal, breaching European and global rules on free trade and competition. The SWA said it would push the cost of one litre bottle of Scotch up by 22% to 20, and a standard bottle up by 11% to 14.

Gavin Hewitt, the SWA's chief executive, said: "The Scotch whisky industry remains opposed to the principle of minimum unit pricing. It will be ineffective in tackling alcohol misuse. It has consistently been ruled to be illegal in Europe. It will damage the industry."

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Daily Mail: This minimum price meddling by politicians is futile. Northern Europeans are prone to binge-drinking in a way that southern Europeans are not. Ask the Scandinavians! Alcohol is massively expensive there, yet alcoholism remains a serious problem. It's part of a culture that also - as a useful sideline - gives us gloomy but engrossing detective series, such as The Killing, Wallender and The Bridge. If minimum pricing of alcohol can help Scotland create a better contribution to the detective TV series genre than Taggart, all well and good, but I doubt it'll have any other effect than to make life more difficult for the poor, give a boost to smuggling and lead to a drunken invasion of England which will do the reputation of Scots and Scotland no good at all.

GG.
droschke7
just been watching the news, apparently the price increase is not a tax and wont be going to the Government it will be going to the retailers. So the SNP are taking a leaf out of the Conservatives Book and helping the Rich Drinks Companies increase their profits and shafting the poor, disabled and pensioners who are on a fixed income and can hardly afford alcohol as it is. Just reported on reporting Scotland, 2 liters of Cider, now 1.89 to be 5.00. Vodka now 14.63 for a liter to be 18.75
Wine 2.98 a bottle to be 4.50 a Bottle. Buckfast no change and reporting Scotland said No Change for Gin or Whisky. Three guesses what they drink in Hollyrood?. I do hope that when the SNP realise that the amount of muggings rises drastically that it's their fault as the "alcokids" will be out there getting money for their alcohol needs. WTG SNP shafted the poor again caused a high probability iof an increase in crime and now just as bad as the Conservatives.
pumps100
QUOTE (droschke7 @ 14th May 2012, 07:41pm) *
... no change and reporting Scotland said No Change for Gin or Whisky. Three guesses what they drink in Hollyrood?. .

I watched Reporting Scotland as well. It was no change for branded spirits such as Gordon's gin and Famous Grouse whisky. And no change for the price of drink in the pubs as drinks in a pub exceed the 50p a unit cost.

Supermarket own label spirits such as Tesco Value Vodka at 9.29 will disappear from the shelves.

With regard to the 2.98 wine ex Asda, currently the duty is 1.90 on a bottle of wine (under 15% ABV) and you pay 20% VAT on the selling price. So, in this example there is 48p left to cover the cost of the wine, the bottle, shipping, profit - it makes you wonder what sort of wine it is!

Regards

Ian
Jupiter
Some commentators have put forward the view that due to the vast number of unpopular policies implemented by the Coalition that one term is all it will run and I think there is a lot of credence in this.Re the SNP Ive got a feeling that this minimum unit price may well do for them because it appears that the people who are going to be hit are responsible drinkers ,probably voters who will not forget.My personal view is that the SNP have done well for Scotland and will continue to do so but I think this policy will backfire.
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Dylan
It will not affect me.

It will not affect any of my friends.

I knew of a wee woman who told me she had saved up for a wee quarter bottle of Supermarket, own brand whisky as a treat for her husband who had been workng hard.

It will affect her .!!
Jupiter
Dylan this may well be the type of lady who ,when she next votes,will think that the SNP with this policy is the cause of her hubby not getting his treat when he finished work.
nan mcdonald
QUOTE (GG @ 13th May 2012, 10:04pm) *
SNP Health Secretary Nicola Sturgeon will tomorrow announce that Scotland is to adopt a 50p-per-unit minimum alcohol price. The measure is intended to tackle problem drinking by increasing the cost of cheap vodka, lager and cider. The 50p figure is higher than the original 45p proposed by ministers two years ago, and is rumoured to have caused a split within the Scottish cabinet. ...

The only way I see to curb the Alcohol Drinking Is to take the sale of it away from the Supermarkets and corner shops and let the Publicans have the say who can buy.
Jupiter
Nan you cant be serious.
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Guest
I think this is fantastic news. Why should I, as a tax payer, plough a fortune into the treatment of those who choose to abuse alcohol? Or why should I be afraid to walk down a city centre street of an evening because of tanked-up neds who are out of their minds on cheap swally?
pumps100
QUOTE (Jupiter @ 14th May 2012, 08:31pm) *
Some commentators have put forward the view that due to the vast number of unpopular policies implemented by the Coalition that one term is all it will run and I think there is a lot of credence in this.Re the SNP Ive got a feeling that this minimum unit price may well do for them because it appears that the people who are going to be hit are responsible drinkers ,probably voters who will not forget.My personal view is that the SNP have done well for Scotland and will continue to do so but I think this policy will backfire.
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Hi Jupiter,

I was surprised at the Scottish Government coming at this with the Minimum Alcohol Price (MAP) set at 50p. Most people believed that 45p per unit was in the right order. Cameron's government were looking at 40-45p.

Just a thought. They say it will not be implemented until the summer of 2013. By that time we will have most probably had excise duty in the budget plus retail price inflation. So the prices in 2013 will be higher anyway. They'll be getting everyone used to the idea of the 50p minimum alcohol price. Then nearer the time, I would put a small wager on the Scottish Government trying to play the good guy, especially at politically sensitive times - by announcing that 'they have listened to the people', and with all due fanfare state that the 50p minimum alcohol unit price is being decreased to 45p. Party on!

Regards

Ian
Billbhein
Its better than doing nothing, alcohol abuse is much worse than it has ever been, especially with teenagers and young adults. It can distroy their lives before they have even started, anyone who has been in our city and town centres at closing time can see results of cheap booze. It doesn't have to be this way, so up the price, increase health education, and set good examples to the young..

Bill
GG
In the interests of fairness, I should like to highlight the following paragraph from the Guardian article mentioned above:

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[...] After resisting it for four years, Scottish Labour is also preparing to support the [Minimum Alcohol Price] policy if Alex Salmond's government presses on with plans for a 130m "health levy" on supermarkets to claw back the 125m increase in their revenues from a 50p minimum price. [...]

Just what the supermarket lobby will have to say about the combined 'health levy' and 'Tesco Tax' denting their huge profits is easy to guess ... expect headlines of '10,000 Supermarket Job Losses' tomorrow! rolleyes.gif

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Off topic: Note how the Guardian routinely refers to the democratically-elected government of Scotland as "Alex Salmond's government" ... do these journalists really think we are daft?

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john.mcn
Health levvy, lmao. How about working with the supermarkets to promote a healthy lifestyle and lower prices on fruit and veg.Taxing them more and more will just make them weary of opening stores and creating jobs. Profit is not a dirty word!
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QUOTE (Guest @ 14th May 2012, 09:18pm) *
I think this is fantastic news. Why should I, as a tax payer, plough a fortune into the treatment of those who choose to abuse alcohol? Or why should I be afraid to walk down a city centre street of an evening because of tanked-up neds who are out of their minds on cheap swally?

Fair point. Although, I can't see either of those scenereos slowing down anytime soon.
It's a well known fact that no matter how tough things get, the street jerkoffs always find a way to fill the tank and then get nasty.
What's that tired old saying? I think it goes something like, "By hook or by crook".

As long as they don't bring in prohibition I think I can just about make it.
Here's looking at you kid.
lenmar123
Well the old ladies who want a game of bridge or a chat with a bottle of wine are to be penalised No promotions for Joe Soap or anybody else -----and yet in the house of commons with its seven bars you get a glass of wine and the barman then asks you if you would like a TOP UP ---well theres a thing ive never had that in a club or pub And seven pubs at your work ---no wonder fights break out
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QUOTE (GG @ 13th May 2012, 10:04pm) *
... Minimum pricing has been promoted by health campaigners, while the SNP government claims that alcohol abuse is a "brake on Scotland's social and economic growth". ...

Quoting myself ... what's the world coming to!?!

Anyway, has anyone been able to work out how those who purchase copious amounts of cheap vodka, lager or cider – i.e. the only ones whom the new pricing policy will affect, according to the pundits on the telly – are somehow curtailing the "economic growth" of Scotland?

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I just checked ... and I think the minimum pricing policy is actually going to have a bigger impact than has been told in the media. Here's how:

Last week I bought 12 bottles of Miller lager for 7 from the local supermarket – don't worry, most are still in the box. Quick division shows that the price of each bottle worked out at 59p. When I looked on the bottle I found that each one has an alcohol unit value of 1.6; this means that, under the new minimum pricing, a bottle will not sell below 80p. Therefore, that 7 will need to rise to almost 10 to keep to the new pricing policy! sad.gif

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