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TeeHeeHee
A very astute observation, Bill.
Let's hope that the electorate come to their collective sensses this time ropund.
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (sumac @ 5th Aug 2020, 10:12am) *
OMG! I’m scared! ...

There's no point in being scared, Sumac ... unless you live somewhere in the US. Remember, it was Donald who said America First. rolleyes.gif
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 5th Aug 2020, 12:44pm) *
There have always been madmen. It's only recently that they were voted into power !



I'd have to disagree with you there Bill, history is littered with madmen who were voted into power only to become despots and dictators, Trump is only the latest in a long line.

I deliberately left out Johnson as we all know he is only a puppet for others. yes.gif
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 5th Aug 2020, 01:40pm) *
There's no point in being scared, Sumac ... unless you live somewhere in the US. Remember, it was Donald who said America First. rolleyes.gif


Sumac has every right to be scared Tomi, as i said the other day, it terrifies me that he has his finger on the button which will affect us all.
TeeHeeHee
More to the point Jagz, there is no one among his advisors who has the haw maws to keep him in place.
He thinks he has every right as president to do wxactly what he wishes and not a NO-man insight.
Dave Grieve
Rather have someone in control of his facultys like Trump in charge of the button than Biden who cant string a sensible sentence together.
bilbo.s
QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 5th Aug 2020, 07:44pm) *
Rather have someone in control of his facultys like Trump in charge of the button than Biden who cant string a sensible sentence together.




Q.E.D.
sumac
I don’t like either of them.
bilbo.s
QUOTE (sumac @ 5th Aug 2020, 08:38pm) *
I don’t like either of them.



I agree, Sumac, but I rather think that Biden is more rational than Trump. (There's a back-handed compliment .) How anyone can hold up Trump as the epitome of eloquence, never mind sanity, staggers me.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (sumac @ 5th Aug 2020, 07:38pm) *
I don’t like either of them.



I've said that most of my adult life about US Presidential candidates Sumac. wink.gif
Dave Grieve
Anybody who thinks Joe Biden is rational and coherent is walking about in a stupor.
The man is a pale shadow of his VP years as his recent public utterances show.
I think he was a compromise candidate that will backfire on the Democrats.
bilbo.s
QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 5th Aug 2020, 08:22pm) *
Anybody who thinks Joe Biden is rational and coherent is walking about in a stupor.
The man is a pale shadow of his VP years as his recent public utterances show.
I think he was a compromise candidate that will backfire on the Democrats.



Nobody said Biden is coherent and rational, merely in comparison to Trump, which is not too hard, given that the latter is insane. BTW, before you ask to see my degree in psychiatry or psychology, I don't need one in the face of such an extreme case.
Dave Grieve
Insane or not (which is far left political claptrap and you know it) unless Biden can avoid debating Trump live on TV and I think pull a miracle out of the fire by persuading Mitchell Obama to be his running mate then he is going to lose.
He painted himself into a corner by saying he wanted a Black woman as his running mate.
The only three other options he has are even bigger liabilities than he is.
ashfield
I'm also in the, "if it's a choice between these two, I'll take nane of them" camp.

Having said that Dave, if you have been watching the same recent interviews with as I have, I've not idea how you can rate Trump as being in control of his faculties. At times I'm not sure he even knows which planet he is on.
bilbo.s
"far left poiitical claptrap" - I know such thing, only what my eyes and ears tell me. Dave, it seems to me you are far right, a not uncommon fault with colonials , especially in S.A. I flatter myself that we moderates take a more balanced view.

Dave Grieve
QUOTE (ashfield @ 6th Aug 2020, 09:35am) *
I'm also in the, "if it's a choice between these two, I'll take nane of them" camp.

Having said that Dave, if you have been watching the same recent interviews with as I have, I've not idea how you can rate Trump as being in control of his faculties. At times I'm not sure he even knows which planet he is on.

Ash if you had been watching the same interviews as I have you would fear for a Biden Presidency. The man when he does manage to get two words in correct order still manages to appear like a puppet whose current views are completly at odds from six months ago never mind six years.
Trump comes out with some dumb things, his latest being the explosion comment.
If he had never came out with the 'Wall' campaign would people still hate him as much?
We have a wall here in SA. In the North its a barbed wire that runs for hundreds of kilometers across the Zim border.
In the East its the Kruger Park that has very efficient wild animal guards that dissuade would be illeagles..
Nothing said about them.
Dave Grieve
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th Aug 2020, 09:50am) *
"far left poiitical claptrap" - I know such thing, only what my eyes and ears tell me. Dave, it seems to me you are far right, a not uncommon fault with colonials , especially in S.A. I flatter myself that we moderates take a more balanced view.

What a political life I have led, son of a card carrying communist, Labour party supporter (suppose that meant I was Socialist?
At. various other time I've been accused of being a moderate, conservative, internationalist (what ever that means,) a right winger. biggest insult of all was when being called Liberal.
Now I'm a far right winger.
I suppose its the price you pay for being able to think for myself and not being taken in by the political claptrap that passes for news today.
From one expat to another salutations.

bilbo.s
QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 6th Aug 2020, 10:37am) *
What a political life I have led, son of a card carrying communist, Labour party supporter (suppose that meant I was Socialist?
At. various other time I've been accused of being a moderate, conservative, internationalist (what ever that means,) a right winger. biggest insult of all was when being called Liberal.
Now I'm a far right winger.
I suppose its the price you pay for being able to think for myself and not being taken in by the political claptrap that passes for news today.
From one expat to another salutations.


I see you are not a believer in the old adage, "Two wrongs don't make a right".
BTW I am an immigrant not an expat! As a Trump admirer, is it not time you got someone else to do your thinking?
sumac
Now, boys, I think you should agree to disagree and shake hands! I think we’re all in agreement that Trump is insane and very dangerous. Biden is nuts in a different way. The USA is doomed with either and, unfortunately, so may the rest of the world be if either gets in this year.
ashfield
Just a thought, it's not possible that Biden was "helped" to win the nomination by the opposition (or some foreign power) unsure.gif

Not that anything like that could happen here. I mean, all those thousands of new members the labour party got in just before Corbyn was selected as leader, they couldn't have been Tories in disguise, could they rolleyes.gif
sumac
Oh! How could you suggest such things! Shame on you for even thinking such a thing! 😆
zascot
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th Aug 2020, 09:48am) *
I see you are not a believer in the old adage, "Two wrongs don't make a right".
BTW I am an immigrant not an expat! As a Trump admirer, is it not time you got someone else to do your thinking?

The way Jagzz and Wombat do yours?
zascot
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th Aug 2020, 08:50am) *
"far left poiitical claptrap" - I know such thing, only what my eyes and ears tell me. Dave, it seems to me you are far right, a not uncommon fault with colonials , especially in S.A. I flatter myself that we moderates take a more balanced view.

You don`t come up with much on your own but when you do you sure come up with crap. I have met Dave and he is no far right and your knowledge of people in SA is lacking as usual.
bilbo.s
I have only met a couple on this board (plenty in real life)and nothing to change that first impression.
zascot
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bilbo.s
One of your more intelligible posts. No argument there!
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 6th Aug 2020, 04:39am) *
Insane or not (which is far left political claptrap and you know it) ...

Not everyone thinks it's far left political claptrap.
I had a wee quiet word with the good Prof. Dr. Dr. Tee von HeeHee ( rolleyes.gif ) and he pointed me here ...

QUOTE
Since the start of Donald Trump’s presidential run, one question has quietly but urgently permeated the observations of concerned citizens: What is wrong with him? Constrained by the American Psychiatric Association’s “Goldwater rule,” which inhibits mental health professionals from diagnosing public figures they have not personally examined, many of those qualified to answer this question have shied away from discussing the issue at all. The public has thus been left to wonder whether he is mad, bad, or both.

In THE DANGEROUS CASE OF DONALD TRUMP, twenty-seven psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health experts argue that, in Mr. Trump’s case, their moral and civic “duty to warn” America supersedes professional neutrality. They then explore Trump’s symptoms and potentially relevant diagnoses to find a complex, if also dangerously mad, man.

Philip Zimbardo and Rosemary Sword, for instance, explain Trump’s impulsivity in terms of “unbridled and extreme present hedonism.” Craig Malkin writes on pathological narcissism and politics as a lethal mix. Gail Sheehy, on a lack of trust that exceeds paranoia. Lance Dodes, on sociopathy. Robert Jay Lifton, on the “malignant normality” that can set in everyday life if psychiatrists do not speak up.

His madness is catching, too. From the trauma people have experienced under the Trump administration to the cult-like characteristics of his followers, he has created unprecedented mental health consequences across our nation and beyond.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dangerous...of_Donald_Trump


QUOTE
Estelle Freedman, the Robinson Professor in U.S. History at Stanford University, said of the book:

This insightful collection is grounded in historical consciousness of the ways professionals have responded to fascist leaders and unstable politicians in the past. It is a valuable primary source documenting the critical turning point when American psychiatry reassessed the ethics of restraining commentary on the mental health of public officials in light of the "duty to warn" of imminent danger. Medical and legal experts thoughtfully assess diagnoses of Trump's behavior and astutely explore how to scrutinize political candidates, address client fears, and assess the 'Trump Effect' on our social fabric.


etc. & etc. ... tongue.gif
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/basics...nt-donald-trump
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (zascot @ 7th Aug 2020, 08:20am) *
The way Jagzz and Wombat do yours?



I do thinking for myself and no one else, and i'd be grateful if you didn't drag me into your squabbles that have nothing to do with me Zascott.
Dave Grieve
My original post was not if anyone had really understood it in defence or support of Trump but aimed the onset of Dementia in Biden.
His latest blunder starts in June when was asked if he has taken a cognitive test.
He replied that he takes them all the time? (What sane person takes cognitive tests all the time?)
Within the past day or so he was asked by a Black reporter if he has taken a cognitive test?
Biden immediately got angry and started on about drugs asking the reporter if he was a Junkie because it was a dumb question..
The man is unfit for office.
bilbo.s
QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 7th Aug 2020, 03:04pm) *
My original post was not if anyone had really understood it in defence or support of Trump but aimed the onset of Dementia in Biden.
His latest blunder starts in June when was asked if he has taken a cognitive test.
He replied that he takes them all the time? (What sane person takes cognitive tests all the time?)
Within the past day or so he was asked by a Black reporter if he has taken a cognitive test?
Biden immediately got angry and started on about drugs asking the reporter if he was a Junkie because it was a dumb question..
The man is unfit for office.


Excellent lack of choice for US public then. Somewhat reminiscent of the choice facing UK between Tory & Labour.
wombat
QUOTE (zascot @ 7th Aug 2020, 08:20am) *
The way Jagzz and Wombat do yours?



rolleyes.gif laugh.gif
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (wombat @ 8th Aug 2020, 02:23am) *
rolleyes.gif laugh.gif



Don't tell me Clyde has dementia too? Santa hat in August. laugh.gif
wombat
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 8th Aug 2020, 09:31am) *
Don't tell me Clyde has dementia too? Santa hat in August. laugh.gif


yes.gif fraid so.
ashfield
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 15th Aug 2020, 07:57am) *


Doh tongue.gif
sumac
I see Michele Obama’s given her opinion about The Donald, and her advice that he is NOT the president for them. I really like her and just wish she would run for president.
TeeHeeHee
... or running mate for Joe: I'd like to have seen that. wink.gif
Scots Kiwi Lass
A few days ago, Trump commented on the "big surge" of new cases of Coronavirus in New Zealand and that we (USA) don't want that.

On the day in question, NZ had 9 new cases, the USA more than 42,000.

USA has had 529 deaths per million people.
NZ has had 4 deaths per million.

The man is unbelievable, surely he won't get another 4 years in power!
taurus
I have just read his niece`s `s book . what an eye opener,she didn`t hold back.
if nature versus nurture,he got the jackpot,strange nature to begin with,and the nurture from his dad,who singled him out of 5 kids to be what he is. A nightmare.
Scots Kiwi Lass
I haven't read the book yet but hope to do so soon. Looking forward to it.

It was a bit sad to find out that Trump's mother was Scottish but I guess Trump Senior ruled the roost in that household!
taurus
Trumps mother was the American dream come true. She went to the States from away up in the Orkney Islands or somesuch , as a maid in a big house, she must have been very pretty,she caught the eye of Don`s dad, at a dance and lived the life of luxury for the rest of her days.Somehow I don`t really think she got a bargain,he was an oddball.
bilbo.s
QUOTE (taurus @ 20th Aug 2020, 01:22pm) *
Trumps mother was the American dream come true. She went to the States from away up in the Orkney Islands or somesuch , as a maid in a big house, she must have been very pretty,she caught the eye of Don`s dad, at a dance and lived the life of luxury for the rest of her days.Somehow I don`t really think she got a bargain,he was an oddball.



Somesuch is the Isle of Lewis.
ashfield
QUOTE (Scots Kiwi Lass @ 19th Aug 2020, 10:30pm) *
The man is unbelievable, surely he won't get another 4 years in power!


Problem is, we all thought that surely he wouldn't get the first 4 years in power ohmy.gif
taurus
I should have said away up North ,perhaps somesuch sounded snide,if so it wasn`t meant.
Scots Kiwi Lass
He (Trump) is at it again. At a Campaign Rally, he seemingly ignored the stats and referenced a "massive breakout" of cases in New Zealand (five), saying that the US was doing an "incredible job" against Covid-19.

Our Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, is doing a wonderful job and has said "In comparing the two countries, the USA has 16,563 cases per million people, New Zealand has 269 cases per million people".

I have recently read somewhere that Trump is picking on NZ because his advisers have pointed out the country's success in managing the Pandemic and he can't handle that.

My daughter thinks Trump will quit the Presidency before the Elections, but I am not sure he is capable of that.
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (Scots Kiwi Lass @ 19th Aug 2020, 09:30pm) *
The man is unbelievable, surely he won't get another 4 years in power!


I made abet with a German mate that he will. My mate couldn't believe I'd make such a bet. I told him that he wouldn't believe how many people, a lot of whom would be comfortable in white pointy hoods, atill want him in for a second term.
I hope I lose my 10 bet but I feel I might not.

Early this week Laren Boebert (rep) took aseat in Congress having beaten her rival ofthree terms. She was congratulated by Trump for her great win.
She is, with her husband Jason, owner of a restaurant in the yownship of Rifle, Colorado, called SHOOTERS GRILL where the waitresses and customers are armed with holstered guns.


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New Congresswoman Lauren Boebert whom Trump, naturally, endorses.

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Trump for a second term? ... watch this space.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 20th Aug 2020, 02:27pm) *
Somesuch is the Isle of Lewis.



I'm surprised it wasn't Scotchland wink.gif
sumac
TeeHeeHee, that is SO scary! I know Americans have the right to bear arms, but to blatantly advertise such a thing, with advice on frequenting the place AND she’s been elected to Congress?!!!

You may very well be right with your bet. Surely decent Americans must make themselves heard?
TeeHeeHee
Sumac, the law, in some states, allows you to carry unconcealed weapons which is what that's all about. The funny thing is that the township where she lives is called Rifle
This link is on Shooters Grill facebook site: an ABC interview from 2014. You may have to go fullscreen to have it running:-

https://www.facebook.com/shootersgrill.rifl...932464700532608

With Trump's take on the 2nd Amendment he wont lose Texas or Colorado: that's for sure.
ashfield
Not much chance of a square go there then rolleyes.gif
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