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droschke7
LOL Couple more problems than that Joop, ie Leopard Seals and Killer Whales etc, any chance we could see a couple of them (Leopard Seals and Killer Whales) at the square to remove these workshy louts?
GG
QUOTE (*aja007* @ 2nd Nov 2011, 09:46pm) *
These "protesters" are nothing but work-shy layabouts and should be removed asap!

You couldn't be more wrong with that comment, aja007. The protesters are actually working very hard in George Square helping feed and clothe the many homeless people who have been attracted to the protest camp in the hope of getting food and shelter. In addition, the 'Occupy Glasgow' group have been victims of repeated theft and threats of violence. Speaking last week about the dangers protesters faced at night, even in one of the busiest parts of the whole of Glasgow, one protester said:

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"They [homeless people] are on the streets and they saw the tents and the lights and just started wandering in at night. They weren’t interested in the protest. A lot of them are vulnerable in some way.

We asked the police to provide us with more protection and spoke to the council about it sending round community wardens, but we were left on our own to deal with them."

GG.
GG
Regarding the attitude of the organisers of Remembrance Day, human rights lawyer Aamer Anwar, who is assisting Occupy Glasgow with their legal defence against eviction, said:

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"It is my understanding that the Royal British Legion, who are organising the Remembrance Day events, have no problem with the protesters remaining in the square."

See the STV video on this subject for more comment and analysis.

GG.
proudmaryhiller
After that terrible incident last week, I thought they would have had the good sense to move on.
Norman G
It would be good if we could see some positive change from all the protests round the world but I don't think it will happen any time soon.
When the banks were making all the money where did it come from? From all the ordinary people.
When the banks lost all the money who picked up the tab? Yes, us again.
So no change there.
*jimmyc*
I see that the Conservative authorities in London have dropped their legal bid to move protesters... would it be too much for the Labour authorities in Glasgow to adopt the same mature and compassionate attitude to a popular protest?

Answer: Of course it would. The authorities in Glasgow lack both compassion and maturity... not to mention a fair bit of common sense!
wellfield
QUOTE (Norman G @ 2nd Nov 2011, 06:21pm) *
It would be good if we could see some positive change from all the protests round the world but I don't think it will happen any time soon.
When the banks were making all the money where did it come from? From all the ordinary people.
When the banks lost all the money who picked up the tab? Yes, us again.
So no change there.

Not to worry..It's just the beginning of the anarchy that it will eventually turn into all over the world...it's the only way to budge these giant corporations and beaurocrats of their ass!!
GG
The BBC is reporting that the Occupy Glasgow protesters have voluntarily decided to move their camp away from George Square, in order to accommodate the city's commemoration of Armistice Day.

The group took the decision to relocate after organising a series of city centre interviews with members of the public during the early part of the week. The protesters, despite considerable popular support, were always aware that their presence in George Square during Remembrance Sunday may have shown them in a negative light with the ordinary people of Glasgow, and have now decided to move to Kelvingrove Park.

An Occupy Glasgow spokeswoman said:
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"We are going to move to Kelvingrove Park as the council have offered. We plan to pack up tomorrow morning and then move, though we have to arrange it with the council."

Let us hope that Glasgow City Council and Strathclyde Police now listen – and act on – the group's pleas for assistance and protection.

The voluntary move should mean that the council will no longer need to pay the exhorbitant fees of a QC to represent them at the scheduled hearing at Glasgow Sheriff Court this afternoon. wink.gif

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TeeHeeHee
But they're holding ground at St Paul's Cathedral.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...uthorities.html
Melody
I was just thinking isn't it a terrible sad reflection on us that we seem to now accept that homeless people roam the streets at night. Was it not for the likes of these young people around the world who are protesting (much to their own personal discomfort) while the rest of us sleepwalk through a complete nightmare many more of us will be homeless.

I'm sad that they have had to move from George Square although we may find that many more will join their ranks in the West End.
Jupiter
They will probably be aware that the police here have borrowed three watercannon from NIpolice.
Seen yesterday leaving the boat at Stranraer heading up the A77.
JAGZ1876
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 2nd Nov 2011, 04:27pm) *
I think I covered that point.

Sorry THH, i must have missed it.
Ruth
I feel sorry for all those young people out there in the cold in George's Square. Too often we say that young people don't care about anything and then when we do we are not very nice to them.
thepaperboy
cameron canada, you lost for words, man whats happend to canuks?
Scotsman
Oh well.... at least the protestors made their point and have got loads of news and press coverage for their cause.... they fought a decent fight all things considered. I wonder how much the cooncil spent on getting them to move? Could it not have been done without going to the courts??

Next time I visit the Kelvingrove which will be before the end of the month I will make sure I take them a box of tea bags and some bicuits!!
thomasm
Sotsman, I'm glad to see this resolved peacefully as it's not the time of year for violence in George Square or anywhere else for that matter. So well done to both parties.

If it came to it though I am quite sure the council's actions would have led to a night-time eviction by force just to silence a peaceful protest.
tamhickey
Praise where it's due for the council, they set up floodlights, fresh water and toilets for the protestors. Thing is though, couldn't they have done all this sooner without resorting to court action?
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (Scotsman @ 3rd Nov 2011, 07:24pm) *
... Next time I visit the Kelvingrove which will be before the end of the month I will make sure I take them a box of tea bags and some bicuits!!

Very nice show of support Scotsman. Bit late in the day though intit?
Go on, fill a flask wi' coffee and a wee bit o' rum in it and pop round now.
Show us what your made of. biggrin.gif
GG
Glasgow City Council proceeded with its action at the Sheriff Court on Thursday, obtaining a warrant to eject protesters from the site no sooner than midnight on Sunday. While it is understood that most of the protesters will relocate to a site in Kelvingrove Park before then, some of the Occupy Glasgow group – unhappy at being coerced into a decision to end their peaceful protest in George Square – intend to stay.

The council has indicated that any protesters remaining in the square beyond the court deadline will be removed by the council.

GG.
TeeHeeHee
Maybe on this memorable day a wee bonfire would be in order to help keep those stoic people warm out there. It's a pity though that the very Anon protestors masks are raking in a nice wee bit for one of capitalism's greatest protaginists, namely Time Warner.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20...P=ILCNETTXT6921

Still, in honour of the only man to have entered the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions. Spare a thought today for the original protestor:

Guy Fawkes
1570 Born 13th April, Stonegate, York.

Click to view attachment

1606 Died 31st January Executed in the Garden of St. Paul's Cathedral / Old Palace Yard, Westminster.


Support the 99%

QUOTE
We Are the 99 Percent


Allow Us to Introduce Ourselves

We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent.

Brought to you by the people who occupy wall street. Why will YOU occupy?

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

I remember the Hell's Angels used to be called the 1%'ers maybe that's what this 1 percent should be known as. cool.gif
janeyteegee
HI; been reading all the very interesting comments on the occupation
of protesters in George Square; What's happened to The Canuk's,,,???
We are here in Toronto but we have occupied 'a park' in downtown and
so far nobody has been thrown out except yesterday one young guy
was taken away in an ambulance from a 'drug-overdose'(heroin),,,,
what does that tell ya,,,???
While I am in full support of the protesters since we live in a democratic
society,it's about time we took a stand against 'corporate-greed',,,,
having a front row seat watching the start of 'Occupy Wall Street' and
how not 'ONE' of those greedy bankers has gone to jail,they are all in
the same class as 'Madoff' and they made a prime example of him,but
the people he stole from were already wealthy,not your average joe
working man who lost house,job,etc when the banks went under then
the 'party of the people' bailed them out but left 'poor joe' out in a tent
in the park,,,,
My family work for the big corporations who have CEO's giving them-
selves 'millions' in bonus's every year while the workers who make
this money for them to take in the first place,have to go on strike to
get a decent standard of living wage,,it's time we all took a stand
against 'Huge Corporate Greed',,,
We had some 'socialist -city-council' members living in subsidized
housing while collecting their big salaries with all the tax benefits,
they soon moved when they were exposed in the local newspaper,
so it's not just the bankers,it takes all kinds of 'greed',,this is 'One
Canuck' who takes a stand in protest,,,,


I hope the protesters move to the 'Kelvingrove Park' peacefully,here in
Toronto parks they have portable-potties,water,food deliveries,medical
aid,etc,etc,so they are in for the long haul,,,,
tombro
Janeyteegee,

Couldn't give a stuff about Occupy this or that protesters but must protest about your choice of avatar !

From memory, that is Stratson's avatar on GG and must forever stay so, so please change it !

Tombro
TeeHeeHee
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(quote name='TeeHeeHee' date='5th Nov 2011, 12:19pm' post='3559680']
... It's a pity though that the very Anon protestors masks are raking in a nice wee bit for one of capitalism's greatest protaginists, namely Time Warner.

Then I found this snippet.

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The terrible irony is that the mask is a paid-for product, owned by a major corporation.

Time Warner owns the rights to the masks and with every mask sold more money is deposited into that corporation's bank account.

The movement is working its way around that with replica masks.

According to CNN, replicas are now being mass produced in Asia.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-20...l#ixzz1cuyuFA3v
Dave Grieve
Greed is the second oldest profession, and I fear the protestors only outlook is going to hospital with Pneumonia.
Sure they may score a small success here and there but in the long term its just a waste of time and effort.
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 6th Nov 2011, 10:57am) *
... in the long term its just a waste of time and effort.

Not really sure I can agree with that Dave.
If you bring something to someone's attention then at least you've done your bit and that's worth the effort at least. Of course, what happens after that may prove your point ... or not. wink.gif
Dave Grieve
This kind of protest hasen't happened here that I know of.
So all I can do is observe the various protests around the world, and while doing that I dont see any escalation anywhere in the amount of support for the protestors.
Even some of the comments on this board show the appathy of people who say they support the protestors like "the next time I go that way I willl give them a packet of biscuits or tea or something similiar. (not picking on anybody but using it as an example) if you really believe in their cause, JOIN THEM.
Think back to the CND protests in the 60s do you see anything like that happening or the anti Springbok tour protests in the late 60s, long term its just a waste of time.
GG
Two artilces in the Sunday Herald today which may be of interest:

A new home ... but the protest goes on
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/...es-on-1.1133347

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"The Church[es] are on our side in the sense that they have got to be, if they believe in Jesus and the story of the Bible."

What do Scotland's religious leaders think of the Occupy movement?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/...ement-1.1133354

GG.
janeyteegee
QUOTE (tombro @ 6th Nov 2011, 03:17am) *
Janeyteegee,

Couldn't give a stuff about Occupy this or that protesters but must protest about your choice of avatar !

From memory, that is Stratson's avatar on GG and must forever stay so, so please change it !

Tombro

Well thank you very much Tombro,had no idea I had stepped on someone's toes,,,, have changed my avatar as per your request,,,, wink.gif
wombat
well everywans threw their 2 bobs wurth in wie this discussion,and most see demonstrators as a bit of a nuisance,the cops made a right mess of em in melbourne,blood everywhere,(that'll dae wonders for public relations) the reality is it was an attack by an armed group against an unarmed group.
(that'll dae wonders for law and order) then the same week the politicians got a huge pay increase 'again',the cops got wan as well,"again" laugh.gif there's a pattern emerging here where the law protects the greedy and batters blood and shit outta anyone that complains .i feel most of us are cowards (me included)when we sit in front of the idiot box and say "they deserve tae have their heads caved in WE SHALL OVERCOME ONE DAY AAY laugh.gif
GG
The big move from George Square to Kelvingrove Park on Friday: the council (to their credit, as well as to speed things up) sent a gaffer, some workies and a truck.

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GG
The police sent a mobile surveillance unit.

GG.
Scotsman
The weather is really turning Baltic now in Glasgow so I hope that all the protestors have got their thermals on now as they will be freezing otherwise. If they were still in George Square then they could have rigged up a pipeline from the city chambers into the campsite so that they could have benifited from all the hot air that those councillors talk!!

Haha.... that would have been TOASTY!!
TeeHeeHee
I've been reading this morning about the trouble they've been having at St Pauls Cathedral and was happy to note at least that the high heid yins at St Paul's are not blaming the protestors for the spray-painted grafitti on the outside wall or the use of the Cathedral's interior as a toilet.
Either mindless morons at work or people setting out to make things look worse for the demonstrators.
Shockin' behaviour as far as I'm concerned.
Can't imagine anyone sinking to these depths of depravity.
Elma
At last Vancouver City Mayor has ordered the Occupy Vancouver people to move or else..... The tent city that has sprung up there, thankfully not in the area of the Cenotaph, has become the residence of drug addicts etc. There was one man who was taken to hospital due to drugs last week and a young woman died there of an overdose on Saturday. Most of the people there now don't even know why they are there but are only there to party and do drugs. The time has come to stop this nonsense all round the world, this kind of action does nothing and personally, I think it is completely unnecessary and wrong, I am not a supporter of these protesters.
tamhickey
Elma, that's such a waste of young lives. Drugs are the scourge of society and my heart goes out to their parents and friends, but in Glasgow, they have made a point of discouraging this by agreeing to a no drink and no drugs policy, so that they're taken seriously. I wouldn't like to be out there on this cold November night, and I admire these young people who do so in the belief that they are speaking out on behalf of us all.
ashfield
Tam, you are spot on, and not for the first time on these boards smile.gif
GG
I've got the 'manifesto' which Occupy Glasgow has produced. As Tam says, the group very much believe that they are acting in the best interests of the majority of ordinary people. They are also keen to stress that they are not a political entity but, rather, a spontaneous protest group driven to highlight and try to counter what they see as the greed and misery in today's society.

In the interests of clarity, I will try and post the full manifesto later...

(Also, just to confirm that all the protesters have – by yesterday – moved from the site on the south-east corner of George Square. The council has now put a metal fence around the former protest site.)

GG.
Wendy Davidson
I, for one, have had enough of these protesters in Kelvingrove Park and they've only been there for less than a week! Why on Earth the council put them there I do not know. They have been given full facilities including power, lighting, toilets, refuse collection, etc, etc.

Their presence is already a blight on a lovely park and I can tell you now that - while out walking the dog - I have heard quite a few people complaining about this rabble. Goodness knows what types they are likely to attract over the coming weeks. I dread to think!

Might be time for a petition to get them out before they have time to settle.
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (Elma @ 8th Nov 2011, 02:34am) *
... The time has come to stop this nonsense all round the world, this kind of action does nothing and personally, I think it is completely unnecessary and wrong ...

The sad thing is Elma that it is neccessary.
The 1% that the 99 percenters refer to really do exist and they're gettin' away with financial murder; the victims being the rest of us.
It was only in the most recent years that Germany's IRS started to clamp down on tax evaders in a big scale and offered rewards for information on firms and individuals with number accounts in Switzerland and Lichtenstein etc. and once the CDs started rolling into the tax office, all the way from Switzerland and Lichtenstein, it was amazing how many sportsmen, media stars and CEOs suddenly volunteered to pay taxes while pleading for amnesty.
I see in today's Financial Times that the USA is now to have client names revealed by Credit Suisse

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Credit Suisse to reveal client names to IRS
US authorities to receive customer details in tax probe

But, of course, there are other ways of hiding your billions ...
http://www.capitalconservator.com/offshore...nk-accounts.php

...especially if you're one of the 222 individual billionaires living in America or the 14 in Canada who among them have a combined net worth of over $700 Billion - that's 236 individuals with a combined net worth of more than $700,000,000,000

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/europe/...cy-billionaires

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... After early stints at Credit Suisse and Barclays Geneva office, Birkenfeld joined UBS in 2001. By then, he had experience enough to know his division was steeped in skirting the law, if not in Switzerland itself, then certainly in the U.S. “Swiss bank secrecy is analogous with criminal conspiracy. That’s how I see it,” he told me.

Credit is due in part to the "Occupy ..." protestors for this outcome :-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/ci...edit-union-poll

Unfortunately Elma the people that you're seeing hi-lighted in the media reports, eg the drug addicts and those who crap on the Cathedral's carpets are bums who have nothing to do with those who are keeping the greedy (those who seem to feed of the needy) right up front in the headlines.
More power to them. wink.gif
ashfield
QUOTE (Wendy Davidson @ 8th Nov 2011, 01:09pm) *
Goodness knows what types they are


Human beings I presume, unless you know something different.
droschke7
QUOTE (Wendy Davidson @ 8th Nov 2011, 01:09pm) *
I, for one, have had enough of these protesters in Kelvingrove Park and they've only been there for less than a week! Why on Earth the council put them there I do not know. They have been given full facilities including power, lighting, toilets, refuse collection, etc, etc.

Their presence is already a blight on a lovely park and I can tell you now that - while out walking the dog - I have heard quite a few people complaining about this rabble. Goodness knows what types they are likely to attract over the coming weeks. I dread to think!

Might be time for a petition to get them out before they have time to settle.

Set the dogs on them, it's a public park not a private camping site. I hope these idiots freeze off their extremitries.
GG
Here are the nine points of the 'statement of intent' from the Occupy Glasgow flyer:
  1. "The current system is unsustainable. It is undemocratic and unjust. We need alternatives; this is where we work towards them.
  2. We are of all ethnic backgrounds, genders, generations, sexualities, dis/abilities and faiths. We stand together with occupations all over the world.
  3. We refuse to pay for the banks' crisis.
  4. We do not accept the cuts as either necessary or inevitable. We demand an end to global tax injustice and our democracy representing corporations instead of the people.
  5. We want regulators to be genuinely independent of the industries they regulate.
  6. We support the strike on 30 November and the student action on 9 November, and actions to defend our health services, welfare, education and employment, and to stop wars and arms dealing.
  7. We want structural change towards authentic global equality. The world's resources must go towards caring for people and the planet, not the military, corporate profits or the rich.
  8. We stand in solidarity with the global oppressed and we call for an end to the actions of our government and others in causing this oppression.
  9. This is what democracy looks like. Come and join us!"
The statement adds that: "This is NOT a party political movement, people from all political ideologies are welcome and encouraged, we are in this together."

GG.
GG
Also, see the website below for a list of things that the group need, or ways in which you could help out, if you are inclined to do so.

http://www.occupyglasgow.org/help-out.html

GG.
droschke7
I'd like to win 20 million on the lottery, but that's not going to happen anytime soon either.
wombat
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Their presence is already a blight on a lovely park and I can tell you now ,sez wendy

rolleyes.gif thought you wis talking about dog turds fer a minute then wendy? how can other humans be a blight anywhere let alone a public park, get a life smile.gif
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th Nov 2011, 07:34pm) *
I'd like to win 20 million on the lottery, but that's not going to happen anytime soon either

Are you at least buyin' a lottery ticket on the chance that it might? rolleyes.gif
Dave Grieve
QUOTE (GG @ 8th Nov 2011, 07:22pm) *
Here are the nine points of the 'statement of intent' from the Occupy Glasgow flyer:
  1. "The current system is unsustainable. It is undemocratic and unjust. We need alternatives; this is where we work towards them.
  2. We are of all ethnic backgrounds, genders, generations, sexualities, dis/abilities and faiths. We stand together with occupations all over the world.
  3. We refuse to pay for the banks' crisis.
  4. We do not accept the cuts as either necessary or inevitable. We demand an end to global tax injustice and our democracy representing corporations instead of the people.
  5. We want regulators to be genuinely independent of the industries they regulate.
  6. We support the strike on 30 November and the student action on 9 November, and actions to defend our health services, welfare, education and employment, and to stop wars and arms dealing.
  7. We want structural change towards authentic global equality. The world's resources must go towards caring for people and the planet, not the military, corporate profits or the rich.
  8. We stand in solidarity with the global oppressed and we call for an end to the actions of our government and others in causing this oppression.
  9. This is what democracy looks like. Come and join us!"
The statement adds that: "This is NOT a party political movement, people from all political ideologies are welcome and encouraged, we are in this together."

GG.

Admirable targets but unrealistic in the foreseeable future or probably even further, what they are talking about is Utopia or Anarchy (in its true sense of the word).
droschke7
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 9th Nov 2011, 12:13am) *
Are you at least buyin' a lottery ticket on the chance that it might? rolleyes.gif

What? I have to buy a ticket as well? LOL
droschke7
It's all very well these people messing up our parks and cities, criticising the government and listing the problems that are world wide and that everyone knows about, but how about giving us some solutions? It's easy to criticise when your in opposition or (as these people are) have no chance of ever getting in to power. If you don't have a solution yourself then you have no right to criticise others in the same position. That's like someone who only speaks one language criticising others who aren't multilingual.
Guest
QUOTE (Wendy Davidson @ 8th Nov 2011, 01:09pm) *
I, for one, have had enough of these protesters in Kelvingrove Park and they've only been there for less than a week! Why on Earth the council put them there I do not know. They have been given full facilities including power, lighting, toilets, refuse collection, etc, etc.

Their presence is already a blight on a lovely park and I can tell you now that - while out walking the dog - I have heard quite a few people complaining about this rabble. Goodness knows what types they are likely to attract over the coming weeks. I dread to think!

Might be time for a petition to get them out before they have time to settle.

IMO, Wendy is entitled to her own opinion. If we all had the same opinion there would be no messageboards as there would be absolutely nothing to discuss.
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