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Hi Everyone

I decided it was time to give our glorious leader his very own Topic.

Today, he announced (bare facedly and without flinching) almost Richard Nixon like, that he/they had established 500,000 jobs (yes folks, thats half a million) since taking office!

Would someone - ANYONE - please tell us WHERE all these jobs are? (I'm serious)

Is anybody living in an area, where there is a plethora of jobs???

He also promised a FURTHER 400,000 jobs were on the way, as a result of 200,000 homes being built.
I just hope he's told the building industry!

Anyways - here's a place to drop all your tidbits, seeing as silly season has REALLY arrived with a bang - the Tory Party Conference in Manchester. Weve had the 'were not taking all the blame' Nick Clegg Show, and the 'believe me' Ed Gastricband Show. Just a forerunner of the main event

'Dodgy Dave's Eggstravaganza' with supporting Acts, Theresa May (except Human Rights), and sundry other Artistes.
GG
QUOTE (wee davy @ 2nd Oct 2011, 03:45pm) *
... Today, he announced (bare facedly and without flinching) almost Richard Nixon like, that he/they had established 500,000 jobs (yes folks, thats half a million) since taking office!

Would someone - ANYONE - please tell us WHERE all these jobs are? (I'm serious)

Is anybody living in an area, where there is a plethora of jobs??? ...

From the Daily Mail in June this year:
QUOTE
Migrants taking nine in ten new jobs since the election

Almost nine out of ten jobs created since the election went to immigrants, the Coalition’s poverty czar has revealed. ... Figures uncovered by [former Labour minister] Mr [Frank] Field show that in the first year of the Coalition, 87 per cent of the 400,000 newly created jobs have gone to immigrants ....

GG.
wellfield
Read that before regarding the jobs going to immigrants......Not to worry 'though,also in the same article I read, it also said The UK would have to build 250 houses a week to house them...Good news for carpenters/joiners..lol
wee davy

After months of dithering,... what have they come up with, to stimulate growth???

Protectionist policy proposed

Mr/s (oops) Francis Maude (come into my garden) Minister for the Cabinet Office, no less, has just announced there will be a relaxation of hoops to jump through, for potential UK suppliers of government contracts.

On the face of it,... this would appear to be a good move. But WHO exactly will PROFIT by these measures? Have particular fat cats already been given 'the nod'?? You can bet your life they have

Are the banks waiting for THEIR cut, rubbing their hands with glee, I wonder??

Watch out folks,... brakes are WELL and truly off, with the old 'jobs for the boys' Tory machine. They haven't even got the shame to hide it sufficiently well enough.
Elma
QUOTE (wee davy @ 20th Nov 2011, 05:34pm) *
After months of dithering,... what have they come up with, to stimulate growth???


Watch out folks,... brakes are WELL and truly off, with the old 'jobs for the boys' Tory machine. They haven't even got the shame to hide it sufficiently well enough.

Is this fact or are you making an assumption ???
wee davy
Hello Elma.

It was announced on BBC's Andrew Marr current affairs TV Sunday mag, by Mr Maude. FACT.

Am I making any assumptions? No

I would call my personal comments, observational, interpretive and above all, honest and accurate.
anonymous
It is with a heavy heart and a tear in my eye that i read these comments about a man whom at this very momment is hatching a daring innovative plan which will wipe out our balance of payments deficit, enable us to triple our foreign aid to China and India and make the uk the worlds no.1 manufacturing nation !
bilbo.s
sad.gif laugh.gif
anonymous
Here it is

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pm-critics-job-la...-000049765.html

Charging for Industrial Tribunals and doubling the time period before they can claim unfair dismissal ! genius.

Who needs chinese slaves to make a five quid toaster, Tesco will soon be full of crap made by our own slaves !

Britain will be Great again !
wee davy
Extract from Maude's Wiki resume

Maude's personal net wealth is estimated at £3m. Despite this, during a discussion on Newsnight on 22 October 2010 he argued that a 5% cut to his £65,738 salary was equal to the 'pain' suffered by Britain's poor.[10][11]
Although he is a proponent of dodgy Dave's "Big Society", a July 2010 interview revealed Maude does little or no work for the voluntary sector, believing that his work as an MP was contribution enough.[12]

I won't bother with his expenses - much the same as the rest of them.
The fall guys have all just about done their 'bird' for it.
wee davy
AND AGAIN

Dave's pal, OzzyOsborne is at it now - 'LIFE IN THE FAST LANE' "Roll up, roll up, nice piece of premium fast lane 10mile stretch of M1, M2, M3, M4, M5 etc,etc,etc

If you knew what life would be like, in the 21st Century, would you have come along for the ride?
Elma
QUOTE (wee davy @ 21st Nov 2011, 10:54am) *
Hello Elma.

It was announced on BBC's Andrew Marr current affairs TV Sunday mag, by Mr Maude. FACT.

Am I making any assumptions? No

I would call my personal comments, observational, interpretive and above all, honest and accurate.


I didn't doubt you Davy, I just wanted to know as I don't live in the UK so don't know all the facts surrounding this.
wee davy
I appreciate that, Elma NP darlings wub.gif

As you can see from my previous post - they're coming thick and fast now.
angel

Davy , this is my contibution to your Emporium .



I love this explanation - it should be required reading for those who believe government is on the right path

"SOME IDEAS ARE SO STUPID ONLY INTELLECTUALS BELIEVE THEM." George Orwell

When the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
Is this man truly a genius? Checked out and this is true...it DID happen!



An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that. (Please pass this on)


Remember, there IS a test coming up. The 2012 elections.


These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.

Can you think of a reason for not sharing this? Neither could I.
bilbo.s
From today's "news".



[url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15827683"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15827683



Time for the tumbrels. mad.gif
wee davy
I'm genuinely very grateful for your contribution, angel.

However, MOST people understand socialism is no recipe for economic success - on its own. Any nation SHOULD however, be mindful of its obligation to people, who, through no fault of their own will be in need of a 'leg up'.

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
But you CAN legislate the poor into greater poverty.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
Is this the Steve Jobs d (of iphone fame) philosophy/legacy?
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
Governments CAN creat the right conditions for Economic prosperity.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
Poppycock - its one of the first principles of capitalism. Speculate to accumulate.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
The end, is when we stop caring.
TeeHeeHee


QUOTE
Average wages in the UK today stand at £25,900 per year, up from £6,474 in 1980 - a three-fold increase, according to the commission ...

... the salary for the post of chief executive at the now partly state-owned Lloyds Bank has increased by more than 3,000% since 1980


QUOTE
The British people believe in fairness and, at a time of unparalleled austerity, one tiny section of society - the top 0.1% - continues to enjoy huge annual increases in pay awards”

Deborah Hargreaves High Pay Commission


Aye, Fairy Nuff. rolleyes.gif
anonymous
Hi THH

How does it work in Germany, are the directors allowed to plunder the company funds like UK or do the Works Councils have a say in Director renumeration.
TeeHeeHee
This was published near the end of 2008 by Kienbaum Surveys when the banks started to require bailouts although I'm sure the banks themselves managed to avoid government (tax-payers) financing in that respect.
QUOTE
Compensation and Benefits Survey 2008: Executive Compensation in Germany.
Considerable Salary Increases for Germany’s Top Managers
Gummersbach, 19 December 2008 The salary packages of German managing directors and leading executives have witnessed considerable increases in 2008: managing directors are taking home an average of four percent extra, compared to 4.9 percent growth in 2007. Leading executive staff are benefiting from an increase of 3.6 percent over last year’s figures. The absolute amount of the annual salary package varies according to the level in the corporate hierarchies: the average managing director is currently receiving 280,000 EUR per annum. Among these, managing partners are taking home 271,000 EUR, while the average appointed director receives 283,000 EUR. Salary levels are lower on the lower rungs of the corporate hierarchy: first-tier executives can expect 131,000 EUR a year, compared to an average of 100,000 EUR for second-tier staff. These are the findings of the salary survey “Compensation and Benefits Survey 2008: Executive Compensation in Germany” published by the management consultancy Kienbaum. The survey includes data for 858 directors at 495 companies.
Responsibility Pays
The decisive variable influencing the amount of the compensation package is the size of the business: at companies with less than 50 employees, directors are receiving an average of 148,000 EUR. By contrast, companies with a workforce of over 5,000 employees are paying their directors 274,000 EUR. Businesses with a turnover of up to 7.5 million EUR set the average salary of their directors at 148,000 EUR, while companies with turnover volumes of more than half a billion EUR are paying their managing directors 448,000 EUR per year.


Der Spiegel
printed this in the same year after an all-night sitting by the government. It limited the earnings of top managers to €500,000 yearly ... but accepted certain exceptions (ausnamen)

QUOTE
Die Gehälter der Manager sollen nun grundsätzlich auf 500.000 Euro jährlich begrenzt werden. Ausnahmen sind vorgesehen.


Bank CEOs were the exceptions of course. rolleyes.gif
angel


To many chiefs and also to many Indians !!! it's the same the world over , some are worth their salt and others , not .
wee davy
Our CBI should go and hang their heads in shame, in the naughty corner!

They said, just the other day 'all remunerations in the UK are driven by the global market' quote unquote rolleyes.gif wink.gif Whats that smell LOL

How come the top FTSE company directors pay themselves £2.7 M on average - bit different to Deutsche Volk
wee davy
Is this man losing it?

Strikes: PM urges firms to let staff bring in children


"If people want to bring them to No 10, they can do" LOL
Says David, in anticipation of mass school strikes in England and Wales, next Weds (I think Scots are joining in, too)

Wonder if the phone is off the hook?
wee davy
Cameron says yesterday 'Britain is ready to fight another war to protect the Falklands Islands''

Has anyone told the Armed Forces?

Has this guy completely lost the plot, after a couple of years in government?

Why, oh why, do politicians talk out of their proverbial.

Go Cameron - no - thats not an American cheer - I mean GO!
Dave Grieve
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 22nd Nov 2011, 05:58pm) *
This was published near the end of 2008 by Kienbaum Surveys when the banks started to require bailouts although I'm sure the banks themselves managed to avoid government (tax-payers) financing in that respect.


Der Spiegel
printed this in the same year after an all-night sitting by the government. It limited the earnings of top managers to ¤500,000 yearly ... but accepted certain exceptions (ausnamen)



Bank CEOs were the exceptions of course. rolleyes.gif


One of the excuses trotted out here for the obscene wages paid to some company heads and goverment officials is that they have to pay top dollar otherwise they cant get the best candidate.
almost envariablly the best candidate lasts a year or two at most without proving himself before moving on to the next mug that thinks he's the best candidate for the job
wee davy
think youve got the wrong topic, Dave
then again - just noticed the date of the thread you were commenting on
Dave Grieve
oops wub.gif
wee davy
lol no bother - I'm sure weve all done it
wee davy
Dodgy Dave, PROMISED to reduce the House of Lords, from 800, to 450 in the last Election.

By the time of the NEXT Election there will be 900+

It's probably part of his 'its better IN employment, than recieving benefits'.

Where's that gunpowder.
Heather? You still got them matches?

Read more here
bilbo.s
Just another reason to get rid of Westminster !
Doug1
What's up with this country and why do we seem to be forever embroiled in conflicts. In recent years we have been fighting in Iraq then Afghanistan. We got out of Iraq and within a year or so will be out of Afghanistan but now we are in involved in Mali, how long will it be before we send in so called technical experts then they need backed up by regular troops all to help our French allies who did nothing to help us in the Falklands conflict !! and talking about the Falklands there is talk of us having to send troops out there to strengthen the islands defences. All at a time when we are making our soldiers redundant. Why cant we mind our own business and let the United Nations sort out these conflicts !!
wee davy
The 'United' Nations, Doug? thats a cracker laugh.gif
wombat
tongue.gif izzat dem guys that stood wie their huans in their pockets while 6000 men were executed in the local soccer stadium szrebrenicza yes.gif aye so it wis
Doug1
Wee Davy and Wombat. Agree totally with what you say but at the end of the day it's the only major organisation there is, ineffective though it may be, aka the middle east. But surely we cannot be expected to keep on sending troops to conflicts that should be dealt with on an international basis. Just look at the huge loss of life of our soldiers in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts
Foxy52
Doug1, Are you implying that only the U.K. is sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan? I know for a fact that the U.S. and Canada also have troops in those regions, l don't know for a fact of any other troops, but would be willing to bet there are more countries involved than just the 3 we have mentioned. So surely that would be dealing with it on an "International basis"
Foxy52
Doug1
Quite right foxy, there are many other countries involved and indeed also suffer loss of human life. I was writing in general terms about conflicts and having to send in troops, Mali for example where we are now sending in 350 ground troops to assist the French and some African troops. Please also remember that the UK government is relentlessly cutting back on troop numbers which is putting additional strain on individual soldiers and their families.
Foxy52
I hear you Doug1, over here in the U.S. we are also cutting the armed forces, and like the U.K. we have limited services after the troops leave the military. We have probably the highest veteran homeless veterans in the world, my neighbor across the street served in Army Rangers during the first Iraqi war back in the early 90s. He suffers from PTSD really bad, and every now and then goes back in his mind, things like dressing in his camo and sneaking around the neigborhood. He attends the hospital regulary, but it does'nt seem to help. My oldest son is part of the Patriot Honour Guard, those guys meet every member of the armed forces who has been killed in the line of duty. They meet the hearse outside the gates of the military airfield and escort the hearse to the funeral home in the soldiers home town. I believe it happens in the U.K. too? It started out not so much as an honour guard but to save the family of the fallen from protesters who are against the war. One look at those guys sitting on Harley Davison motorcycles and the protesters gave up
I hate to sound ignorant here, but what is going on in Mali?
Foxy52
beth
for the life of me I cannot understand Britain sending troops to Mali, even if it is only for training purposes, How long will it be before the troops are fighting. To quote the song "When will they ever learn" Africa is Africa, don't care whose territory it is
wee davy
The Jihadists are trying to develop a firm foothold in North Africa (from Algeria) for quite some time - Mali is just a prospective spring board, for them to terrorise other African States.

As was learned in WWII a war from a totally featureless desert is a VERY different ball game to elsewhere.
Bluey
QUOTE (Foxy52 @ 29th Jan 2013, 01:24pm) *
Doug1, Are you implying that only the U.K. is sending troops to Iraq and Afghanistan? I know for a fact that the U.S. and Canada also have troops in those regions, l don't know for a fact of any other troops, but would be willing to bet there are more countries involved than just the 3 we have mentioned. So surely that would be dealing with it on an "International basis"
Foxy52

Others??? 50 Other countries were involved; including Australia, Sweden, Norway Denmark Holland Germany Poland Turkey Croatia Albania France Finland Belgium Estonia Lithuania Spain Luxembourg Czech Republic Korea to name but a few!!!
Dave Grieve
Mali is very far from being a featureless desert, it mainly sits in the Sahell region which can be scrubby bush to what you maybe think of as jungle.
Timbuctoo sits on the edge off a large lake and is the beginning of the Sahara desert.
The big problem for any European troops there now is the heat, it is still winter at the moment and temps can and will reach 30c, if they are still there in June, July the temp will go up to 45c to 50c every day.
I hope when dodgy dave goes there on his propaganda visit it is in Mali's summer and he dresses the same as the lads and sleeps in the same tents as they are expected to
wee davy
You misunderstood me doug. The desert I was referring to, is where the jihadists have been making inroads to Mali. Thats the tricky part, because they jest melt away, back into the sand.
Doug1
Ref Foxy 52 post # 36

Thank you for your excellent reply. I could not reply to you right away owing to a internet breakdown in the rural are I live in but the 2 posts following yours pretty well sums up the Mali situation. The trouble with these types of conflicts is that once your in it's dam near impossible to get back out again and as soon as the troops start foot patrols or engaging the enemy, if they do, then it will only be a matter of time before soldiers get killed or badly injured and God knows but people here do not want to see any more flag draped hearses going through our towns
wee davy
So,... whats your answer doug?

Do we let all our expats, all over the world, be they there for profit, (earning money for us back here) charitable reasons, or whatever, live in mortified fear wherever they go,...
or do we take steps to try and ensure (with others participating) they're relative safety?

Islamic Jihadists are on the back foot - I say we keep putting the fires out
Doug1
I'm not sure Davy that it's our responsibility to safeguard the rest of the world. We are assisting the French who are reinforcing the Mali and other African troops but were is the rest of Europe ?? If it is to be regarded as an important conflict then where is NATO and to go back to one of my earlier post why is the UN security council not involved ?
john.mcn
QUOTE (wee davy @ 30th Jan 2013, 01:40pm) *
So,... whats your answer doug?

Do we let all our expats, all over the world, be they there for profit, (earning money for us back here) charitable reasons, or whatever, live in mortified fear wherever they go,...
or do we take steps to try and ensure (with others participating) they're relative safety?

Islamic Jihadists are on the back foot - I say we keep putting the fires out



Yes!

Once you're outwith these borders it's down either the country you move to or the company you work for.
Foxy52
Hey Doug1, l thought that was our job over here in the U.S. I think it was Ronald Reagan who pronouced this country as the "Worlds Policeman" I guess he thought it was a nice idea, but most of us didn't want the job! It's done nothing but land us in trouble, and l have found that most of the countries we tried to help eventually turned on us anyway.

Wee Davy,I am not sure what you mean by your statememnt that the Islamic Jhiadists are on the back foot? Do you mean that they are almost washed up?
wee davy
I'm happy to answer your question, Foxy.

Ten years of softening them up, and dispersing them, they are now really DESPERATE to gain a foothold somewhere. Every time however, The West have responded - perhaps not always tactfully (I think of Iraq) But did you realise 15000 Iranians are propping up Assad in Syria?

Our sacrifices have not been for nought.
This world is a SAFER place since we began using co-ordinated responses to these fruitcakes - who don't just kill the infidel - but their OWN people at an alarming rate.

As for 'why does it have to be OUR job' - well I've said it here before, and I will say it again - because WE are under attack from 'people' who do not give a fig about life - YOUR life, especially.

My nephew is home on leave from Afghanistan, tonight. God Bless them All
zascot
QUOTE (john.mcn @ 30th Jan 2013, 04:57pm) *
Yes!

Once you're outwith these borders it's down either the country you move to or the company you work for.

Would`nt have expected anything else from you.What about all the UK government people and british company peolple who still pay their taxes in UK and work abroad on contract or with the government? Glad I live in S.Africa
john.mcn
QUOTE (zascot @ 31st Jan 2013, 05:23am) *
Would`nt have expected anything else from you.What about all the UK government people and british company peolple who still pay their taxes in UK and work abroad on contract or with the government? Glad I live in S.Africa


I know people who chased the money to work abroad, sometimes in areas where any sane person would avoid like the plague.They did so because the wages were like phone numbers and they didn't pay UK taxes. They knew fine well the risks involved but decided the it was worth it and the higher the risk the higher the money, now tell my why should they expect as 'tax avoiders' others to risk their lives if they happen to get into a situation like we hear on the news. They made the decision to go there, unlike some poor sods ordered to rescue them.

People working abroad for the government still pay all their taxes and for the likes of Embassy staff still work on UK soil.
zascot
QUOTE (john.mcn @ 31st Jan 2013, 11:02am) *
People working abroad for the government still pay all their taxes and for the likes of Embassy staff still work on UK soil.

I know people on short term contracts who work abroad to save going on the dole and pay UK tax while abroad. So just leave them and the government staff to fend for themselves? let the army sit at home and maybe do a wee parade wi flags on a weekend.
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