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In an historic night of vote counting for yesterday's Scottish election, the SNP has gained a monumental victory in the city of Glasgow. For the first time in living memory, the majority of seats in a national election has been won by a political party that is not Labour.

In a truly startling, stupendous result in Glasgow Shettleston (the most deprived constituency in Scotland), the SNP has overturned bookie's odds of 1/250 for incumbent Labour MSP Frank McAveety to win a seat for the SNP's John Mason.

Similarly, in Glasgow Anniesland (the seat of former Labour First Minister Donald Dewar), where incumbent Labour MSP Bill Butler looked secure at 1/66, the SNP has made a ground-shaking gain in Labour's former heartland.

The SNP gains in full were:
  • Glasgow Anniesland
    Labour's Bill Butler (Odds: 1/66) loses the seat to SNP's Bill Kid
  • Glasgow Kelvin
    SNP's Sandra White beats Labour's Pauline McNeill (8/13)
  • Glasgow Cathcart
    Labour's Charlie Gordon (2/7) loses the seat to the SNP's James Dornan
  • Glasgow Shettleston
    Frank McAveety (1/250) loses his seat to former Glasgow East MP, the SNP's John Mason
  • Glasgow Southside
    SNP deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon beats Labour's Stephen Curran (9/4)
Labour held on to three constituencies in the city: Maryhill & Springburn, Pollok and Provan.

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mitchell
Seen that Martin, is that good or bad for Glasgow or as a matter of fact Scotland?
I do believe that there is a massive debt left by the last lot, is that true?
Makes you wonder that the seats that they won.
And the seats the labour held onto.
Working class areas or was it just lower class areas?
Mind you Shettleston is a bit of a surprise.
ashfield
Well I am not convinced it is good news, although there was some. George Galloway got chased biggrin.gif The 5 year council tax freeze will seriously hit services. Council's have aready shed thousands of people and reduces services. There have been complaints on here about the introduction of charges for grass cutting and blue badges, well you ain't seen nothing yet. In the papers there are community groups going to the wall due to grants being removed and sports groups unable to use facilities because they can't afford the new higher charges. In my view the SNP sit well right of centre (not the tartan Tories they used to be called but not far off) and that is nothing to be happy about, in my view of course.
ionnsaigh
As a Working Class Socialist ( Glaswegian ) I can only rejoice, that the treacherous Scottish Labour Party, has finally bitten the bullet. You have deceived, lied and betrayed the hopes of the poor people, and those who yearn for a fairer society, here in Scotland. Time and time again, we voted in the hope of ending the miserable conditions endured by our Fathers, and our Fathers, Fathers. Alas to no avail, you failed to end the poverty of the Scottish people. I hold you guilty of High Treason.
( Rot in Hell, the lot of you ) wink.gif
fourbytwo
just exchanged one set of gangsters wearing red roses, and union badges, to another wearing kilts and lucky white heather......
The basic difference.......SNP have not been caught with their hands in the 'cookie jar'...............SO FAR....!
TeeHeeHee
Interesting Times ...
ashfield
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 6th May 2011, 11:02am) *
Interesting Times ...


Aye right enough THH, with the SNP in charge. Any houses for sale near you laugh.gif
Norman G
The SNP have been a breath of fresh air in power at Holyrood.
They did more in 4 years than Labour did in 40 and it has shown at the polls.
Good luck to them.
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (ashfield @ 6th May 2011, 10:15am) *
Aye right enough THH, with the SNP in charge. Any houses for sale near you laugh.gif

They canna build them fast enough here ... but my German mates have migrated across the Rhein into St Louise, ( Song Loo-ee tongue.gif ) France; where they're cheaper so there's some older ones up for sale too rolleyes.gif
Rabbie
About time too, time will tell if this change is for the good.

Politicians..<pftt> DILLIGAF
nan mcdonald
QUOTE (Norman G @ 6th May 2011, 10:16am) *
The SNP have been a breath of fresh air in power at Holyrood.
They did more in 4 years than Labour did in 40 and it has shown at the polls.
Good luck to them.

It's not Luck we need ... It is a good HONEST? leadership. Hope we have found it in Salmond.

Lets wait and see.
norrie123
Its long overdue for Glasgow to rid itself of Labour, no other party can be blamed for any of its ills
I didn't vote SNP, for I dont want some of the things they want, Independance is the main one
Council tax freeze, free prescriptions,all great things but will it come back to haunt us, if the figures dont stack up

Lets see if SNP can rid me of my doubts
It seems Labour has joined Tories in not being too welcome in Scotland, for now

Bye for now, norrie

Taylor9
Snp, God help us. ohmy.gif
farci
Labour still controls the City Council so the real battle to rid Glasgow of Labour hegemony will take place next year.

To date I'm not impressed with the SNP as the official opposition in Glasgow so let's hope residents will vote intelligently next May for individual councillors who can make a difference and who have their wards' interests at heart rather than benefiting from scandals like the ALEOs.
The Callands Rebel
Here's the meddling Virginian's take:

Labour or SNP in Glasgow, Republicans or Democrats in Richmond?

What's the dif, absolutely nothing!

We the peons are screwed no matter who wears the "CROWN" and sits on the "Thrones" of government.

Go Springburn, see ya soon.

Jerry.
Heather
I voted for John Mason SNP although I don't agree with free Prescriptions or the five year freeze on Council Tax as there are many people in Scotland who can afford to pay for them.

I can only hope that Alex Salmond keeps his word and gets rid of the ALEOs who are costing Glasgow thousands of pounds in lining their own pockets.
chas1937
QUOTE (Norman G @ 6th May 2011, 10:16am) *
The SNP have been a breath of fresh air in power at Holyrood.
They did more in 4 years than Labour did in 40 and it has shown at the polls.
Good luck to them.

That is so true and now with a majority win they will be able to do more. So Congratulations too SNP and Alex Salmond
Dylan
SNP--BNP.

Same philosophy.

Both need someone to blame.

SNP--English

BNP--Johnny Foreigner.

Other famous Nationalists.

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco et al.

There is a dark side to Nationalism.

It is divisive.!!!
bilbo.s
What a load of crap ! There is a dark side to everything, if one looks hard enough. I think you belong somewhere down on the borders buy the looks of things. mad.gif
ashfield
Now that most of the results are it is shocking how poor the turnout has been at the polls. In several constituencies the turnout has been signifcantly less that 40%, Shettleston 37.7%, Provan 34.4%, Maryhill and Springburn 36%, Pollok 39%. How the heck can people complain about the performance of politians when nearly two thirds don't even bother to vote? Please don't tell me that folk are disenchanted with them, that would be exactly the reason for getting out to vote.

Perhaps we should make it compulsory to vote here.
*James*
As a Glaswegian living in Somerset for 11 years, This result by the SNP makes me feel proud that at last my fellow Scots have quite clearly giving a strong message to our neighbours south of the border that Scotland CAN stand on its own,All this nonsense that all we have is oil.....look at some of the worlds biggest exports, Whisky,tweed,Agriculture and good ole nessie. I feel like coming home.
Dylan
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 02:28pm) *
What a load of crap ! There is a dark side to everything, if one looks hard enough. I think you belong somewhere down on the borders buy the looks of things. mad.gif

Happily live in Glasgow.

So if I disagree with you it must be crap.?

One does not have to eat Scotty Dugs and get dewey eyes over a tin of Shortbread to be Scottish.!

I think Scotland is better served as part of the Union.

A political decision, nothing to do with Bannockburn or Wembulee !
marcam7
As a eastender who has been voting snp since 1970 happy? You bet i am at last the electorate has shown some bottle, as a socialist it was my dream to see Independence leading to good left wing policies for Scotland the dream is still alive take your courage in your hands and go for it in the referendum that will surely come.
bilbo.s
QUOTE (Dylan @ 6th May 2011, 04:57pm) *
Happily live in Glasgow.

So if I disagree with you it must be crap.?

One does not have to eat Scotty Dugs and get dewey eyes over a tin of Shortbread to be Scottish.!

I think Scotland is better served as part of the Union.

A political decision, nothing to do with Bannockburn or Wembulee !

Who mentioned shortbread or scooty dugs ? You methinks. You are perfectly entitled to your political views but I will not tolerate bilge, equating the desire for self-government to fascism. Have your leanings but spare us your warped logic.
bilbo.s
QUOTE (marcam7 @ 6th May 2011, 05:07pm) *
As a eastender who has been voting snp since 1970 happy?you bet i am at last the electorate has shown some bottle,as a socialist it was my dream to see Independence leading to good left wing policies for scotland the dream is still alive take your courage in your hands and go for it in the referendum that will surely come

Cheers, but I fear it is still a long way off. sad.gif
hubert
Since I left Scotland on Sept 1959 I dont know much about politics there, one thing I did learn when I went to Scotland when my father died in 1968, I was told he had changed from Labour to the SNP in his politics.
I went to Canada and in the 60s supported the NDP, having left Canada in 1967 I am not familiar much with their politics either, however they did have an election the other day, and surprisingly enough the NDP took over second spot over the Liberal Party there, which apparently also was a big surprise!

Here in the States I support the Democrats and Obama, I guess I could be labeled a liberal Democrat, and in that I am very comfortable with. Currently and as time goes on, it mystifies me how people can be beaten down so much in regards to the comforts of life, or as was thought of for decades not now of course the so called American dream, that is gone stolen by the righteous right wing Republicans.

An analogy for me is the alcoholic that goes back to drinking expecting different results, aint going to happen, so why oh why do people continue to vote conservative when mostly what they do is bleed the country, hell on a daily basis the evidence is there, why be so blind?
Dylan
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 03:26pm) *
Who mentioned shortbread or scooty dugs ? You methinks. You are perfectly entitled to your political views but I will not tolerate bilge, equating the desire for self-government to fascism. Have your leanings but spare us your warped logic.

What a sweetheart.

If I do not share your views I talk crap, now I am warped.

I neither seek nor need your permission to Post.

You will not tolerate . LOL.

Away and lie in a dark rooom with your Jimmy Shand Records whilst playing with your Sporran.

Och aye the noo.!

I'm away for a Haggis Supper then a wee roamin in the gloamin.
Bill K
The best thing that has happened to Scotland in the last 30 years.
norrie123
Hi ashfield, well perhaps we could have compulsary voting but that may result in spoiled papers and create the same result, not enough people voting
I was going to say I was shocked at the low turn out in some areas but I am not
What was the overall Scottish turn out?
Bye for now, norrie
bilbo.s
QUOTE (Dylan @ 6th May 2011, 07:40pm) *
What a sweetheart.

If I do not share your views I talk crap, now I am warped...

Q.E.D.
GG
From the BBC:

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Labour casualties

It is in the west of Scotland, however, that the sheer scale of the victory can be gauged by counting Labour scalps taken against all expectations.

The list of casualties for Labour is shocking, and will deprive the party of some of its most experienced and sure-footed performers for the lifetime of the parliament.

In Glasgow, the city's Shettleston, Cathcart, Southside, Kelvin and Anniesland constituencies were all taken by the Nationalists with swings of between four and 12% from Labour.

The SNP's John Mason defeated former Labour minister Frank McAveety in Glasgow Shettleston.

Another shock saw the Nationalists' James Dornan take the city's Cathcart constituency, ousting Charlie Gordon - a former city council leader.

The SNP's Sandra White triumphed in the Kelvin constituency over Labour's Pauline McNeil.

In the newly created Glasgow Southside constituency, SNP deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon overcame a slim notional Labour majority to defeat Stephen Curran.

Bill Kidd also defeated Labour's Bill Butler in Glasgow Anniesland by just seven votes following a prolonged recount.

When these victories are viewed on a political map, a swathe of SNP yellow cuts through Labour's previously rock-solid red heartland, linking with other gains in surrounding areas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13307893

GG.
ashfield
QUOTE (norrie123 @ 6th May 2011, 07:02pm) *
Hi ashfield, well perhaps we could have compulsary voting but that may result in spoiled papers and create the same result, not enough people voting
I was going to say I was shocked at the low turn out in some areas but I am not
What was the overall Scottish turn out?
Bye for now, norrie

I was not serious about compusory voting, too many people are hard of thinking for that. It does get me that folk moan about councillors, MSPs and MPs but don't get out to register their vote. Can't find the overall percentage figure for Scotland but, based on what I've seen, I'd guess it will be around the mid-forties.

BTW, was that you growing the...........err....exotic plants in Rutherglen? If so, you should be ashamed of yourself............for not sharing laugh.gif
ionnsaigh
Some of us don't have a vote......... ( not too sure if I really want it ) ohmy.gif
Heather
I see my SNP MSP neice who was Elected on the Regional vote a few years ago has now been Elected in her own right taking a seat from Labour. smile.gif
ronnieauld2
ABSOLUTLY BRILLANT IVE BEEN A LABOUR MAN ALL MY LIFE BUT THE TIME LABOUR WERE IN POWER WAS ENOUGH FOR ME SO MY VOTE WENT TO (SNP) WAS SICK AND TIERD OF LABOUR TOW TOWING TO A ENGLISH GOVERMENT "SORRY MEANT BEGGING"FOR SCOTLAND FAIR SHARE OF CASH.IF I`AM HONEST THE SNP CAN`T DO ANY WORSE THAN LABOUR.PS i dont excuse the caps as i`am shouting it from the roof tops.
Jupiter
Ronnie do you think they were kow-towing as well.Cheers and enjoy your Friday night,Joop rolleyes.gif
Jupiter
Is this a step towards Scottish Independence?
bilbo.s
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They may have to re-draw the border .
Dylan
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 06:20pm) *
Q.E.D.


Nemo Me Impune Lacessit cool.gif
bilbo.s
QUOTE (Dylan @ 6th May 2011, 09:33pm) *
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit cool.gif


Virescit vulnere virtus. V V V dry.gif
norrie123
Hi Ashfield, not guilty, I am too busy trying to grow Sunflowers, can you smoke them biggrin.gif
From what I hear it wasnt that far from me
Bye for now, norrie
irrie
Evening all. Now comes the reality check. The main parties were all promising things that by all indepependant analyses cannot be afforded. The council tax freeze for example is good until you have to use council services. Boys football teams to senior citizens groups are in danger of winding up as they cant afford the new fees which in some cases have more than doubled and this is just the tip of the iceberg. I hope the SNP get it right for the sake of my kids and g/kids but the spectre of Ireland Greece and other countries whose economies have crashed rears its head. Cheers
benny
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 08:48pm) *
Virescit vulnere virtus. V V V dry.gif


Derea derego fortibus es in aro biggrin.gif
ashfield
QUOTE (benny @ 6th May 2011, 09:14pm) *
Derea derego fortibus es in aro biggrin.gif


Aye, an' never mind this Status Quo, ah like thing the way they are huh.gif
Alex Saville
Labour suffered a meltdown in their support in Glasgow. I wonder how much of that was due to the LLP's that Glasgow Labour created which did nothing for the public but was used to screw those who worked for the council.

How many of Bridget McConnells employees in the Culture & Sport (Or whatever they call it this week!) dept voted against Labour because they were abused by the same Labour Party? Ditto the employees in the Land & Environmental Dept who were bullied by Labour onto four days on/off with 12 hour shifts and nothing extra for weekend or public holiday work.
What goes around, comes around!

It will be interesting to see what happens at the next council elections.
As for voting, here, at my end of Gourlay St the powers that be decided we would have to go to Possilpark to vote, the rest of Gourlay St voted where we used to vote, Gourlay St school.

How many decided not to bother going round there, I wonder.

Now, I wonder which journalist will have the nerve to ask Tavish Scott what his position is now?

On the live BBC debate, when asked by a member of the audience would he support a referendum on Independence, he replied, evading the question as usual, 'If you support Independence, then vote for it on Thursday!'

The result, from Scotts perception of it, would appear to be clear.
Good luck to the SNP, they worked hard for the result and deserve credit for what they have achieved.

The Labour die-hards, of course, still bleat about cuts from Holyrood and stick their head in the sand and say 'It wasn't Labour that screwed the econemy, it was a big boy and he ran away!'

Just a footnote, I am not a member, nor have I ever been, of a political party.

I am, however, a member of that Clan, The Scottish Working Man!
Alex
ashfield
Alex, like you I am not, and never have been, a member of any political party. The problems with the economy was as a direct result of the banking crisis in the USA, full stop. Or do you believe that Gordon Brown was also the leader of Eire, Greece, Portugal, Iceland, Germany, Spain and the many other countries that have had to introduce fiscal measures to fix their enconomies.
Dylan
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 07:48pm) *
Virescit vulnere virtus. V V V dry.gif


DUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNGGG!
Rob Rattray
It might take a wee while for things to settle down but it's good to see 'new blood' in at the top again; not saying that the SNP is the 'cure all' but it's a start, and good riddance to those Labour idiots who just wanted everything for themselves! Just hope this SNP crowd will do the right thing and help not only Glasgow, but Scotia in general to get back to the bonnie land I once knew again.
Jupiter
Rob,what is there about Scotia thats no` bonnie?
Harrymc
QUOTE (norrie123 @ 6th May 2011, 10:48am) *
Its long overdue for Glasgow to rid itself of Labour, no other party can be blamed for any of its ills
I didn't vote SNP, for I dont want some of the things they want, Independance is the main one
Council tax freeze, free prescriptions,all great things but will it come back to haunt us, if the figures dont stack up

Lets see if SNP can rid me of my doubts
It seems Labour has joined Tories in not being too welcome in Scotland, for now

Bye for now, norrie

Dead on Norrie.
However,what's up with the people in Springburn?do they not vote or what?They had that rascal of a Seaker for years doing nothing except for himself.The place has been destroyed and they still return the same representative.Talk about goin' to hell in a handcart.At least wee Eck and his party might have tried to do something for the people.
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