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Bestie
SHOCKING! ohmy.gif I am wary of folk with heart conditions etc, will the police take responsability for any deaths incurred when the use causes heart attacks or worse? unsure.gif
Rabbie
QUOTE (Jim D @ 1st Feb 2010, 02:25am) *
Considering some of the weapons that an unarmed police officer has to face, your approach is such that you might aswell give them a bottle of Tizer to try and apprehend someone with a dangerous or lethal weapon.

My approach is merely wan that aims to avert unnecessary and excessive violence in the first instance. If we could manage that it may jist obviate the need for issuing zap guns and firearms. Place is getting mar like the no so OK Corral everyday.

Noo then, dinnea be so quick tae dismiss ra humble tizer boattle. A tizer boattle can be rather nasty, especially if ye haulf fill it with cheap voddie, it's enough tae stun an ox let alone a wee ned.

Wit next coppers packing double holsters, winchester 1873's, conchos, ammo loops an wearing leather chaps, silk scarves, Stetson hats, spurs an a tin star!? Nea thanks, jist imagine the smell.
Bestie
My approach would`nt matter anyway. A bottle of tizer sounds much more friendly! Do you have any relatives or friends with pacemakers? I just think that those with pacemakers don`t (usually) carry a billboard with them informing police that they have indeed a pacemaker inserted so, how do the police know if they are aiming the taizer at somebody they may well kill! The taizers have been used before on folk who are just too darn drunk to act responsibly and it is those folk I refer to.
Jim D
QUOTE (Bestie @ 1st Feb 2010, 05:10pm) *
My approach would`nt matter anyway. A bottle of tizer sounds much more friendly! Do you have any relatives or friends with pacemakers? I just think that those with pacemakers don`t (usually) carry a billboard with them informing police that they have indeed a pacemaker inserted so, how do the police know if they are aiming the taizer at somebody they may well kill! The taizers have been used before on folk who are just too darn drunk to act responsibly and it is those folk I refer to.

How many people do you know with pace makers that would get involved in violent crime or violent behaviour, whereby, an officers safety or the safety of the public would be put in serious risk?

This weapon is not to be used on people for a road traffic violation.
Bestie
Who are we to say who has a pacemaker and who doe`nt? some folk just get on with things after getting the implant...I`m just saying...police cannot know for sure if folk have an illness that the taizer would have an adverse reaction to. Some foilk even have a heart defect without knowing! No, I do NOT agree with taizers!
wombat
wan guy from west australia is in hospital wie serious burns after bein tasered by the cops yesterday,another guy in brisbane died after bein tasered 28 times after a minor dispute wie neighbours.an aboriginal youth holding a small can wie petrol in it was set on fire after bein zapped by a police taser.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/mp/59...overuse-debate/
Bestie
QUOTE (wombat @ 2nd Feb 2010, 08:25am) *
wan guy from west australia is in hospital wie serious burns after bein tasered by the cops yesterday,another guy in brisbane died after bein tasered 28 times after a minor dispute wie neighbours.an aboriginal youth holding a small can wie petrol in it was set on fire after bein zapped by a police taser.

My fears exactly!!!!!
Jim D
Just search for "Police Taser" on youtube. There are officer tasering themselves as part of training. If there was serious risk to life then they would not be doing that. It is mainly stuff from the USA, so the circumstances in which it would be used in the UK would differ considerably.
fronswa
QUOTE (Jim D @ 3rd Feb 2010, 11:46pm) *
Just search for "Police Taser" on youtube. There are officer tasering themselves as part of training. If there was serious risk to life then they would not be doing that. It is mainly stuff from the USA, so the circumstances in which it would be used in the UK would differ considerably.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSYlxzCHvKg
fronswa
QUOTE (Jim D @ 3rd Feb 2010, 11:46pm) *
Just search for "Police Taser" on youtube. There are officer tasering themselves as part of training. If there was serious risk to life then they would not be doing that. It is mainly stuff from the USA, so the circumstances in which it would be used in the UK would differ considerably.


Hey Jim, let's see a video of you getting tased.

Seriously!

Seeing as you're so in favour of it.

I'll do it if you do.
And that's a promise. cool.gif
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (Jim D @ 4th Feb 2010, 12:46am) *
Just search for "Police Taser" on youtube. There are officer tasering themselves as part of training. If there was serious risk to life then they would not be doing that. It is mainly stuff from the USA, so the circumstances in which it would be used in the UK would differ considerably.

Have you ever watched David Copperfield sawing himself in half on Youtube?
glasgow lass
Awk Jim dae'yi really think the police would taser themselves wae the same amount of voltage that they wid tased me'n yoo blink.gif
GG
This story was covered in the mainstream press and TV news today, with reaction from the following:

Scottish Lib Dem leader Tavish Scott wanted to know what involvement the Scottish government had with the pilot scheme:

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"When Tasers were put on trial in England, within the first year, they'd been used 600 times – 34 children were zapped with 50,000 volts," he said during question time at Holyrood.

This is the slippery slope to every officer in Strathclyde carrying a Taser gun."

However, First Minister Alex Salmond tried to avoid any responsibility by claimeing that the introduction was a police operational matter:

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"I think it would be appropriate if we allow the Chief Constable of Strathclyde to have his pilot studies to analyse the results. Then we can come to an informed decision – as opposed to Tavish Scott's, I think, unwise speculation about what he thinks the results might be."

Strathclyde Chief Superintendent, Bob Hamilton, said:

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"The three-day Taser training is the exact same training as the firearms officers get in relation to Tasers. We don't want to dilute the training, it's a very important matter."

Finally, Amnesty International expressed "dimay" at the move, and issued a full statement through Scottish Programme Director for Amnesty International, John Watson:

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"Amnesty recognises the very difficult job police officers have to do. We don't oppose the use of Tasers, but they must only be used by a limited number of highly-trained specialist officers, who are responding to genuinely life-threatening or very dangerous situations.

As well as being excruciatingly painful, Tasers are potentially lethal weapons which have already been linked to numerous deaths in north America and that's why wide deployment without adequate training is a dangerous step too far for Scottish policing.

We believe that Strathclyde Police should urgently review their position and ensure that Tasers remain in the hands of a small number of fully-trained officers capable of making what could be a life-or-death decision. It is not just a matter of how to use a Taser, but when."

It's fair to say that our police set the standard when it comes to policing around the world. Our forces have always prided themselves on 'policing by consent' rather than 'compliance by pain'.

But introducing Tasers into the day-to-day engagement with the public risks is creating a seismic shift in our policing culture Widespread and routine deployments have led to numerous cases of abuse in countries like Canada and the United States.

We have not seen any cases of abuse in Scotland - suggesting that our system of restricting Taser use to specially-trained officers works. And if it works, why change it?"

GG.
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wellfield
To me,this is a no brainer!..Obey the law or suffer the consequences!!!....The streets belong to the tax paying and Law abiding citizens...the children and the elderly...not to scum who have no respect for other peoples rights,and the scum know what to expect when they break the Law on the Land!
wellfield
Just noticed ''City Centre"..why there only.
Jim D
QUOTE (GG @ 4th Feb 2010, 10:08pm) *
...
Strathclyde Chief Superintendent, Bob Hamilton, said:

We have not seen any cases of abuse in Scotland - suggesting that our system of restricting Taser use to specially-trained officers works. And if it works, why change it?"

Finally, Amnesty International expressed "dimay" at the move, and issued a full statement through Scottish Programme Director for Amnesty International, John Watson:

"Amnesty recognises the very difficult job police officers have to do. We don't oppose the use of Tasers, but they must only be used by a limited number of highly-trained specialist officers, who are responding to genuinely life-threatening or very dangerous situations.

As well as being excruciatingly painful, Tasers are potentially lethal weapons which have already been linked to numerous deaths in North America and that's why wide deployment without adequate training is a dangerous step too far for Scottish policing.
...

GG you're playing the devils advocate. lol

Amnesty International quoting North America? Why not quote England? There should be enough statistics to formulate an opinion of how it has been handled in Britain so far - or have there been no real incidents of serious injury or deaths. North America an extremely large area compared the size of Great Britain!

Amnesty International should check out Strathclyde Police intentions before making stupid quotes. Assurances have been given that appropriate training would be provided.

I'm not usually a fan if our 1st Minister but he has actually said something sensible for a change. He will probably reserve the right to blame the "Westminster Government" if the pilot goes wrong.

As for the rubbish about ruling by consent? What does that actually mean? If an officer has to use force against a person then that is certainly not with that persons consent. To me it's just another way of asking the police to stay under equipped to deal with todays violence without a proper deterrent. A police officer is no longer allowed to give a person a piece of his mind - that is deemed incivility. If any of us had occasion to have a grievance with another person then we would certainly feel justified in giving them a piece of our mind. If a person is in the wrong an officer should be allowed to make it abundantly clear, possibly alleviating the situation of giving them a fix penalty ticket. Instead, the officer goes down the "non-conflict" route, behaves politely and "whaps" the person with a ticket. Who wins? Nobody! The person has a financial penalty and the officer has paperwork - but it was all done in the most civilised fashion!

Unfortunately, it's the way of today - don't speak to your neighbour about a problem which has occurred between you - that could cause conflict. Instead, phone the police, spend 10-20 minutes telling them about your trivia then cause the police officer to attend at your neighbours door, leaving the neighbour wondering why you felt you could not have approached them without involving the police. The neighbour then goes "tit-for-tat" until it becomes ridiculously out of control. The officer gets fed up with the bickering, the regular calls to both addresses, so they call in the Council Mediation Team to speak with both parties, only to find out that it all began when one of then blocked a driveway for 10 minutes - 6 months ago! Is this an over-exaggeration? NO! Ask you local police officer, he will confirm that he deal with this scenario EVERY day!

That's me now off my high horse. lol
Jim D
QUOTE (glasgow lass @ 4th Feb 2010, 06:29pm) *
Awk Jim dae'yi really think the police would taser themselves wae the same amount of voltage that they wid tased me'n yoo blink.gif


Why not?
glasgow lass
Jim I think that the police are using each other for a wee bit of target practice and of cource out of curiosity they want to know what it feel like to tasered, are they daft or whit!
glasgow lass
QUOTE (glasgow lass @ 5th Feb 2010, 02:52am) *
Jim I think that the police are using each other for a wee bit of target practice and of cource out of curiosity they want to know what it feel like to tasered, are they daft or whit!

oops Jim! why not because I am sure it would hurt like hell.
klingon
QUOTE (*amclpreston* @ 30th Jan 2010, 05:55am) *
I'm very much not in favour of increasing the abiliities of police to commit violence by remote control.

I strongly disagree with arming the cops with these things-for a good reason-If some crabbit cop in Glasgow-and there are a lot of THEM-decides to fire a taser gun at me-he just killed me!-I have a pacemaker and a notoriously weak heart-a slight shock from the ht lead on a car knocked me out cold and made my ticker fibrillate-so imagine what a Taser would do!-Glasgow cops are notorious for not listening to anyone anyhow.My oldest son was attacked by a bunch of thugs in Union st-ran over to a cop car who were WATCHING this happen and shouted for help-result? they arrested MY SON! for breach of the peace-for asking for help! I am an ex cop (Canada) and went to court with him-the cops claimed they could not see the attack because of a bus shelter,and lifted my son for shouting at them-they wern't interested-so much for protect and serve eh?-and to give these lazy donut munchers a Taser?
not on my shift buddy!
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (klingon @ 5th Feb 2010, 04:47am) *
-I have a pacemaker and a notoriously weak heart-a slight shock from the ht lead on a car knocked me out cold

I was undoing the generator on a car and touched the the engine with the spanner I was using ... the ring on my finger was melted into my finger! Hospital wanted to amputate but a doctor, somewhere else, saved it.
I can understand why you don't agree with Tasers Klingon. (I have a cat who bites out of fear and uncertainty.) Our cop's are armed out here but they can be trusted and they can be argued with; within reason of course.
Jim D
QUOTE (klingon @ 5th Feb 2010, 03:47am) *
I strongly disagree with arming the cops with these things-for a good reason-If some crabbit cop in Glasgow-and there are a lot of THEM-decides to fire a taser gun at me-he just killed me!-I have a pacemaker and a notoriously weak heart-a slight shock from the ht lead on a car knocked me out cold and made my ticker fibrillate-so imagine what a Taser would do!-Glasgow cops are notorious for not listening to anyone anyhow.My oldest son was attacked by a bunch of thugs in Union st-ran over to a cop car who were WATCHING this happen and shouted for help-result? they arrested MY SON! for breach of the peace-for asking for help! I am an ex cop (Canada) and went to court with him-the cops claimed they could not see the attack because of a bus shelter,and lifted my son for shouting at them-they wern't interested-so much for protect and serve eh?-and to give these lazy donut munchers a Taser?
not on my shift buddy!


I'm sure most people could relate a similar incident, no matter which city or country they reside. Are we then to assume from one incident that all officers are the same as the ones involved in the bad experience?
Jim D
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 5th Feb 2010, 10:55am) *
I was undoing the generator on a car and touched the the engine with the spanner I was using ... the ring on my finger was melted into my finger! Hospital wanted to amputate but a doctor, somewhere else, saved it.
I can understand why you don't agree with Tasers Klingon. (I have a cat who bites out of fear and uncertainty.) Our cop's are armed out here but they can be trusted and they can be argued with; within reason of course.[color="#FF0000"][/color]


Again, the arguement folds. Everyone talks about the UK policing model because firearms are not as prevailant yet you trust you armed cops in the country you reside. I'll bet there are common situations where an officer used his/her firearm in circumstances which were later deemed inappropriate - usually down to poor judgement of the situation. The officers in Europe don the riot gear at the drop of a hat and do not mess about. When it happens in the UK? There's a national enquiry! Should the UK officers not be afforted protection when faced with a potentially violent or life-threatening situation?

As recent as several months ago, German football fans clashed with police in Glasgow City Centre. 3 officers ended up in hospital. So that's okay? I read recently that 1400 police officers in Strathclyde were assaulted last year, surely something needs to be done to protect them.
TeeHeeHee
About 15 years ago one of the Bader-Meinhoff gang was shot in the back near the point of his arrest on a railway line in a train station. The Bader -Meinhoff gang had been responsible for several murders under their Rotte Armee Faktion (RAF) politic. This is the only recollection which I have of a copper (or FBI equivalent in Germany; the BKA BundesKriminalAmt, where a national enquiry was held over a suspect shooting.
On the several occasions where I had a police gun trained at close range, including extremely close range, at my person. I had no fear of being shot by error. The policemen involved were in total control of the situation and are fully trained in all aspects of being armed and facing armed suspects or criminals.
I think some of your short arsed Shuggies from Shettleston might be of the wrong caliber to be issued weapons of any description. I did vote for the police being issued Tasers in your land but simply because they do not carry guns, which I think they should. Having Followed the course of this thread though, I'm beginning to think maybe that the wee Glasgow bobbies should stick to knife proof vests and batons. rolleyes.gif
Jade Jones
As I understand it the main reason for deploying these weapons is that official police figures show a rise in days taken off by police officers who have received injuries while on duty. A simple question though - can we trust official police statistics:

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When climate camp protesters descended on the site of the Kingsnorth power station for a week-long summer demonstration, the scale of the police operation to cope with them was enormous.

Police were accused of using aggressive tactics, confiscating everything from toilet rolls and board games to generators and hammers. But ministers justified what they called the “proportionate” 5.9m cost of the operation, pointing out that 70 officers had been injured in the course of their duties.

But data obtained under the Freedom of Information Act puts a rather different slant on the nature of those injuries, disclosing that not one was sustained in clashes with demonstrators.

Papers acquired by the Liberal Democrats via Freedom of Information requests show that the 1,500 officers policing the Kingsnorth climate camp near the Medway estuary in Kent, suffered only 12 reportable injuries during the protest during August.

The Home Office has now admitted that the protesters had not been responsible for any injuries. In a three-line written answer to a
parliamentary question, the Home Office minister Vernon Coaker wrote to the Lib Dem justice spokesman, David Howarth, saying: “Kent police have informed the Home Office that there were no recorded injuries sustained as a result of direct contact with the protesters.”

Only four of the 12 reportable injuries involved any contact with protesters at all and all were at the lowest level of seriousness with no further action taken.

The other injuries reported included “stung on finger by possible wasp”; “officer injured sitting in car”; and “officer succumbed to sun and heat”. One officer cut his arm on a fence when climbing over it, another cut his finger while mending a car, and one “used leg to open door and next day had pain in lower back”.

The above extract comes from a Guardian newspaper article from 2008:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008...ironment-police

JadeJ.
droschke7
After living in Germany for 21 years where the Polizei are all armed, I only ever met one person who had been shot by them. The silly Buggar was a drunken squaddy who had knocked out a Policeman and taken his gun. When the second Policeman came around the corner and ordered him to put down the gun, he waved it about like a kiddy playing in a Western and said quote "Come and get it Copper". Needless to say the Polizei don't fool about, he shot him in the stomache and calmly walked over and picked up the gun. When asked the Policeman said he was aiming at the guys arm.
TeeHeeHee
You can't argue with that, can you?
Rab-oldname
QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th Feb 2010, 01:43am) *
After living in Germany for 21 years where the Polizei are all armed, I only ever met one person who had been shot by them. The silly Buggar was a drunken squaddy who had knocked out a Policeman and taken his gun. When the second Policeman came around the corner and ordered him to put down the gun, he waved it about like a kiddy playing in a Western and said quote "Come and get it Copper". Needless to say the Polizei don't fool about, he shot him in the stomache and calmly walked over and picked up the gun. When asked the Policeman said he was aiming at the guys arm.

Current British police firearms training would not accept that officers excuse. Here, officers are told that they must aim to the body (its virtually impossible to deliberately hit a limb) to bring the offender down. 'Unfortunately' this usually involves a fatal wound.
In my police career, I would have welcomed one of those tasers on a couple of life-threatening occasions when all I had was a 14" long bit of wood! When you are faced with a guy brandishing a Samurai sword in a street, the last thing you worry about is his welfare!
wombat
rab wrote:Here, officers are told that they must aim to the body (its virtually impossible to deliberately hit a limb) to bring the offender down.
canny agree wie yie their rab ah've been ah member of a pistol club shooting pistols for 15 yrs an if i coodny hit an arm or leg at 25 mtrs ahd pack it in ,some of the wimmen in oor club are a much better shot than me .awright aw the wimmen then wub.gif
Jim D
Wombat, I've seen the way people in pistol club behave. They have tripods for their guns, fancy sights and hair triggers. How can you miss? lol Try playing it for real - miss and you might be dead! Hit the biggest target! That way you do not have any worries about where the "stray bullet" has gone after it missed the arm.
wombat
QUOTE (Jim D @ 8th Feb 2010, 09:57pm) *
Wombat, I've seen the way people in pistol club behave. They have tripods for their guns, fancy sights and hair triggers. How can you miss? lol Try playing it for real - miss and you might be dead! Hit the biggest target! That way you do not have any worries about where the "stray bullet" has gone after it missed the arm.

Naw, naw jimD nunna they fancy sights at oor club ,open sights only, never seen a pistol mounted on a tripod ah think U meant the spotting scope. As fur stray bullets,a hostage situation in south australia went wrong when a bullet passed thru the offenders neck and hit the hostage in the arm, both victims survived. Cheers M8.
Dylan
Tasers are not a " Non lethal " alternative to guns, they are an alternative.

The Police have their share of nutters as has been confirmed recently and these nutters would use them indiscriminately.

Over 400 people were killed in America last year with Tasers and they have even been used against children.

IMO introducing them would escalate violence and a child will die.

To high a price .
Patter Merchant
This is yet another example of political correctness gone mad!

Removing the height restrictions from the police forces across Scotland has resulted in a huge growth in midget bobbies struggling to see over the top of their own starched uniforms. How can a 5 foot police officer impose his authority when he barely reaches the shoulder of your average ned?

Let's have a return to sense in police recruitment and forget about hurting the feelings of the vertically challenged middle-class career cop.
TeeHeeHee
If I was a copper you'd be Tazed now. rolleyes.gif laugh.gif
wombat
dylan wrote:Tasers are not a " Non lethal " alternative to guns, they are an alternative.

The Police have their share of nutters as has been confirmed recently and these nutters would use them indiscriminately.

as happened in queensland last year poor bugger wis tasered 28 times
read sumwhere at the autopsy his liver had shown signs of bein COOKED and was stiill hot.
Rabbie
QUOTE (wombat @ 12th Feb 2010, 10:15pm) *
dylan wrote:Tasers are not a " Non lethal " alternative to guns, they are an alternative.

read sumwhere at the autopsy his liver had shown signs of bein COOKED and was stiill hot.

That's fosters lager fur ye.
Dylan
QUOTE (wombat @ 12th Feb 2010, 10:15pm) *
dylan wrote:Tasers are not a " Non lethal " alternative to guns, they are an alternative.

The Police have their share of nutters as has been confirmed recently and these nutters would use them indiscriminately.

as happened in queensland last year poor bugger wis tasered 28 times
read sumwhere at the autopsy his liver had shown signs of bein COOKED and was stiill hot.

They should have given him an onion .!
TeeHeeHee
Must have been torture, eh?
Jim D
QUOTE (wombat @ 12th Feb 2010, 10:15pm) *
dylan wrote:Tasers are not a " Non lethal " alternative to guns, they are an alternative.

The Police have their share of nutters as has been confirmed recently and these nutters would use them indiscriminately.

as happened in queensland last year poor bugger wis tasered 28 times
read sumwhere at the autopsy his liver had shown signs of bein COOKED and was stiill hot.


I keep making the same reference - this is Scotland NOT the U.S., Canada or Australia! Very large countries. In each of them - firearms are carried by Police officers. As for the person who was tasered 28 times? Aye right! the next comment was even better - "liver showed signs of being cooked and was still hot!" When did the Post Mortem (english) take place? Did the cops have their own patholigist with them? lol
Jim D
I've carried out a quick google on "tasered 28 times"
result - http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/18/2601290.htm

The data within the weapon showed that it had been activated 28 times - it does not record that the person was tasered 28 times. The officer states the person received 3 trigger activations. It lis also stated in the article that the officer appears to have been honest in his account of the incident.

To be fair, as recent as last month, it has been established that the current was activated more than 20 times. They are now investigating a possibility of a malfunction.

At least the weapon records the amount of activations. A handgun does not! The taser is used in life-threatening situations, as an alternative to a gun. A gun is a lethal weapon, constructed to kill. If it does not then there is a problem with the operator.
wombat
huh.gif widda been next day ahd assume jimd every shot is recorded on the tasers 28 had been 'fired' swit it sedd in the papers /news ower here it cood only happen in queensland the police state and the most corrupt ,nae surprises therr tongue.gif hold the onions
rumcdonald
I am a Glasgow Scot living in Canada since 1968. Re the new Taser guns... god help all you "Glesga drunks". If you get "too cocky" your life will be wiped out in a second. Think twice about this... if you want a long life. These Tasers are very dangerous, and if you "besotted youngsters" want any life at all..after your teenagehood... you will be careful not to be drunk in front of an officer of the law. If you have any medical "issues" whatever, this dangerous TASER will wipe you out... forever. Think about it. There have been hundreds of deaths here in North America due to the use of Tasers on " intoxicated" people. BEWARE of your excessive boozing... or you may well end up in your local cemetery. Not a good idea!!!! Ruth
GG
I understand your concern rumcdonald, and quite a few other on here have expressed similar concerns. On researching this issue a bit, I found out that Tasers can be fitted with audio and video capability to both monitor potential misuse, and to capture information as evidence of a crime.

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TASER CAM

The Taser Camis an option for use with any Taser X26. It does not change any of the existing functions of the Taser device. The Taser Cam with its microphone and sensitive camera, adds to the Taser X26 the ability to record audio and video, even in low light environments. It is also rechargeable.

The Taser Cam comes with PC software that downloads deployment records and audio/video files and stores them in a searchable library.

http://www.taser.com/products/law/Pages/TASERCAM.aspx

Would fitting this device to a Taser alleviate concerns?

GG.
GG
... Actually, judging from another news article today, the cameras on the Tasers might be redundant, as the city centre is now awash with 400 newly-installed cameras:

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Glasgow city centre rolls out 400 cameras following successful trial

It is estimated that the Night Zone initiative has so far prevented 700 crimes, amounting to savings of 500,000.

Glasgow Community and Safety Services (GCSS), an organisation set up by Glasgow City Council and Strathclyde Police, was keen to provide the city’s three million visitors and locals alike with a safe environment to socialise. So it created the Night Zone, a partnership initiative that is designed to help residents and visitors get home quickly and safely from a night out in the city.

Full story here:
http://www.bapcojournal.com/news/fullstory...sful_trial.html

GG.
klingon
QUOTE (Jim D @ 6th Feb 2010, 01:30pm) *
I'm sure most people could relate a similar incident, no matter which city or country they reside. Are we then to assume from one incident that all officers are the same as the ones involved in the bad experience?

Unfortunately I have to say that especially in Glasgow,the cops treat everyone as a threat,don't listen to a thing people say to them,and have a generally bad attitude to the public-I personally have been threatened with being lifted for disagreeing with 5 foot nothing of a midget cop over parking! when he didn't even look at my dash for my disabled permit!-move or your lifted was his reply-so much for good public relations,after making a complaint and giving this idiots patch number to a friend of mine who has a LOT of scrambled egg on his polis bunnet an apology was eventually given,but why in the first instance was there a need to apologise-can the cops not treat everyone with a bit more dignity and respect?-they might actually get some back!
DavieBoy
THE LOUSY COP…..

Well, Mr. Citizen, it seems you've figured me out. I fit neatly into the category where you've placed me.
I'm stereotyped, standardized, characterized, classified, grouped, and always typical.
Unfortunately, the reverse is true. I can never figure you out.

From birth, you teach your children that I'm the bogeyman, if they do anything bad I'll take them away then you're shocked when they identify, then associate with my traditional enemy... the criminal!
You accuse me of going to easy on criminals..until I catch your kids doing wrong.
You may take an hour for lunch and several coffee breaks each day,
but point me out as lazy for having one cup.
You pride yourself on your manners, but think nothing of disrupting
my meals with your troubles.

You go mental with the guy who cuts you off in traffic, but let me catch you doing the same thing and I'm picking on you.
You know all the traffic laws...but you've never gotten a single
ticket you deserve.
You shout "IDIOT" if you observe me driving fast to a call, but raise the roof if I take more than ten seconds to respond to your complaint.

YOU CALL IT PART OF MY JOB IF SOMEONE STRIKES ME, BUT CALL IT POLICE BRUTALITY IF I STRIKE BACK !
You wouldn't think of telling your dentist how to pull a tooth or your
doctor how to take out an appendix, yet you are always willing to give me pointers on the law and telling me how to do my job.

You talk to me in a manner that would get you a bloody nose from anyone else, but expect me to take it without batting an eye.

You yell that something's got to be done to fight crime, but you
can't be bothered to get involved.
You have no use for me at all, but of course it's OK if I change a flat for your wife, deliver your child in the back of the patrol car, or perhaps
save your son's life with mouth to mouth breathing, or work many
hours overtime looking for your lost daughter.

So Mr. Citizen, you can stand there on your soapbox and rant and
rave about the way I do my work, calling me every name in the book,
but never stop to think that your property, family, or maybe even your
life depends on me or one of my buddies.

Yes, Mr. Citizen, it's me the lousy cop!

I don't know, says it all really. dry.gif
rumcdonald
Rumcdonald again from Canada. Re the taser gun, I watched a well made documentary last night about the general use of these things, and undoubtedly, there will be deaths in Glasgow.
Over here, they are used on belligerent people, which describe many young people in Britain who are getting "soused out of their skulls" with their out of control binge drinking.
There is now a movement in the USA to arm females with tasers which is odd, because they all have guns over there anyway. Not police women, but women who just want protection from predators, but that will get out of control. The female tasers are pink, and look just like staple guns. They are even having "Taser parties" as in "Tupperware parties". Wonder if this will become popular in Canada...and then maybe Britain. Boggles the mind. Ruth
Jim D
I have very recently been informed that the tasers supplied to the cops in Glasgow are powered by 2 AA batteries! I do not know how much power the batteries produce.

I'm also told that some tasers worldwide have a power of 50,000 volts but some have only 1500 volts.
wombat
3 volts jimD
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