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Tally Rand
QUOTE (Dylan @ 7th Dec 2013, 08:33pm) *
An Uzi 9mm.?

If you ever saw the damage a 9mm Uzi can do....... Taser me any time.
Tally Rand
QUOTE (rush @ 18th Apr 2014, 10:36am) *
Some of the comments beggar belief. One poster calls the cops "a pack of nazi thugs" when they beat up an aboriginal man and then reply's his choice of protection would be a uzi 9mm? in another post he answers. Double standards.

While these reports are disturbing, they are in a minority and a shame that people will tar the millions of good police officers round the world with the few bad ones who eventually get arrested.

In Melbourne in the late 90s there were over 20 gun deaths all related to a single criminal fraternity. As an offshoot criminal cops were taken to trial and I was selected for the jury pool. To cross the road from the justice administration head quarters, 12 at a time We were surround by no fewer than 12 heavily armed police and court protection officers. Prior to naming the cops involved in his drug empire, Carl Williams managed to get himself murdered on camera in a high security jail cell by his best friend. Yes a minority of bad cops still to this day serve themselves to the detriment of society. Saying that however, does not detract from the fact that when faced with armed and dangerous druggies, the police are condemned if they shoot them and now there are those who refer to them as thugs and fascists if they use stun guns instead of 9mm bullets.
Scotsman
On the BBC today.... is this how people should be treated??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27225260
Dylan
Absolutely disgraceful.

The PC should be dismissed and convicted of assault.
wombat
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Dylan
MacAskill said the people of Scotland want their police to be Armed .

Working with the scary Stephen House they have sneaked them in by the back door !.

Armed Police are now walking our streets and it is their intention to roll this out .

House also, with MacAskill's blessing wants to ban drinking and close Pubs ,at all street,, park events, football games/carnivals etc.

They have met more resistance to this than from arming the Police ?.

I fear we are sleep walking into an authoritarian society.

This manifests itself in the OTT " Security " measures implemented for " The Games " !.
Scotsman
Totally agree about MacAskill.... if the guy is not up to the job because he is a feartie then he should be turfed out right away.... if he is not then Salmond and the SNP should be held to account for their weakness.

Just read this in the Record today.... absolutely scandalous!!

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/crime/bo...ry-says-3871810
ktv
I know this pic is the US version of police (I couldn't find a uk one) but it just shows the increasing militarisation of the police forces over the years.

theres is absolutely no justification for armed police to attend minor incidents and it will only increase the chances of something going wrong.
they tried to justify it (at first) in rural areas by saying they had to back up to rely on but when they would normally reach for a baton or taser they could now as easily reach for a gun. only seemed to have happened after "police Scotland" was created too so I think macaskil has to pull his finger out and reign in House before some one gets killed by some frightened copper.

agree too that the "security" measures for the CW games take zero account of the locals in the area and can only lead to more animosity towards the police.
Dylan
The decision for our Police to carry Guns, is a one man decision.

Stephen House.

MacAskill refuses to rein him in..

Salmond says it is an " Operational matter " to be made by House and only House .

We can only hope that opposition will continue to grow and his authority curtailed.

A decision of this magnitude surely can not be made by an unelected person.?

I have written to my MSP and MP.!

bilbo.s
I completely agree that such a decision should not be made by one man, whether elected or not.

Having lived for 7 years now in a country where all police, including local police, are armed, as is the norm in many countries, I must add that it does not worry me at all.
TeeHeeHee
Like you; and many other board members, Bill I live in part of Europe other than GB where police, custom officers and border gaurds are armed and this gives me no worries at all. That said, I have also lived and worked in ME countries where particular armed police and security guards gave me certain cause for concern simply because the person with his finger on the trigger showed a distinct nervousness. This of course warns one to be very careful: don't suddenly reach into your pockets, but it clearly emphasises that the wrong man is on the job.
It's no use training some one to use a weapon of any description if that person hasn't been fully trained on how and when to use it.
I don't know if competence tests are part of an officer's training curriculum in the use of, or being equiped with, weapons but it seems in a lot of instances not to be the case.
Personally I have nothing against armed police; in fact I prefer it, but I'd be happy to know that they undergo a test of competence to certify that they are at least up to carrying half the power of God on their hip rolleyes.gif
Dylan
Police Scotland's stop and search rate is 9 times that of NYPD.

Stephen House, MacAskill and Salmon conspired to bury this stat.

More evidence of the authoritarian state the SNP would impose by the back door.

Story from Independence supporting Sunday Herald.

BTW.

I have noticed that " The Guns " issue is growing despite the SNP supporters trying to ignore it.!
john.mcn
QUOTE (Scotsman @ 1st May 2014, 11:36am) *
On the BBC today.... is this how people should be treated??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-27225260


I missed this first time around, can you imagine the reaction if the victim was a patient, it was a hospital and a nurse jabbed something into him after he chucked his underpants. The nurse would not only be sacked but he/she would be removed from the NMC register and would lose their career.
The sort of people who support the police doing this would be up in arms about the nurse demanding charges be brought.
Nurses are threatened and assaulted quite regularly, the same sort of people who have constant run ins with the law also require the use of hospitals more than the average person, and unlike police officers the only protection they have is a fob watch or a pen.. Is there popular support for nurses to carry pepper spray or tazers, no and i dont think there is popular support for police to carry guns either.
ktv
QUOTE (Dylan @ 20th Jul 2014, 10:42am) *
Police Scotland's stop and search rate is 9 times that of NYPD.

Stephen House, MacAskill and Salmon conspired to bury this stat.

More evidence of the authoritarian state the SNP would impose by the back door.

Story from Independence supporting Sunday Herald.

BTW.

I have noticed that " The Guns " issue is growing despite the SNP supporters trying to ignore it.!


not every post on here is about the snp and youl notice that most of the "snp supporters" on here have posted in this thread.

you don't even know when people are actually agreeing with you for god sake.


pure eejitry at its finest wacko.gif
Dylan
QUOTE (john.mcn @ 20th Jul 2014, 11:19am) *
I missed this first time around, can you imagine the reaction if the victim was a patient, it was a hospital and a nurse jabbed something into him after he chucked his underpants. The nurse would not only be sacked but he/she would be removed from the NMC register and would lose their career.
The sort of people who support the police doing this would be up in arms about the nurse demanding charges be brought.
Nurses are threatened and assaulted quite regularly, the same sort of people who have constant run ins with the law also require the use of hospitals more than the average person, and unlike police officers the only protection they have is a fob watch or a pen.. Is there popular support for nurses to carry pepper spray or tazers, no and i dont think there is popular support for police to carry guns either.


The video won't play but I get the gist of your Post and agree with your sentiments.
Dylan
QUOTE (ktv @ 20th Jul 2014, 11:25am) *
not every post on here is about the snp and youl notice that most of the "snp supporters" on here have posted in this thread.

you don't even know when people are actually agreeing with you for god sake.


pure eejitry at its finest wacko.gif


Whit !!

Who ?
ktv
twit !!

you .? tongue.gif
ktv
the video can be seen here

JAGZ1876
QUOTE (Dylan @ 20th Jul 2014, 10:42am) *
Story from Independence supporting Sunday Herald.


Did none of the other 36 Anti Scottish independence papers bother with this story then?
ktv
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 20th Jul 2014, 12:25pm) *
Did none of the other 36 Anti Scottish independence papers bother with this story then?


ever since he declared he wasn't going to visit the indy thread again hes been trying to turn every other thread into the same subject wacko.gif
Dylan
No, that is CJ's job.!
Tally Rand
QUOTE (ktv @ 17th Jul 2014, 12:36pm) *
I know this pic is the US version of police (I couldn't find a uk one) but it just shows the increasing militarisation of the police forces over the years.

theres is absolutely no justification for armed police to attend minor incidents and it will only increase the chances of something going wrong.
they tried to justify it (at first) in rural areas by saying they had to back up to rely on but when they would normally reach for a baton or taser they could now as easily reach for a gun. only seemed to have happened after "police Scotland" was created too so I think macaskil has to pull his finger out and reign in House before some one gets killed by some frightened copper.

agree too that the "security" measures for the CW games take zero account of the locals in the area and can only lead to more animosity towards the police.

The pictures here show an armed response officer dressed in a fashion common to all special police forces world wide. In the U.S.A. due to all powerful gun lobby the average police force is generally out gunned by whatever street gangs, militias or just plain school kids.

I have inadvertently been present during an armed robbery that went over my head until I saw the arrival of the police. During a bank robbery of my local bank in Melbourne , my friend also from Glasgow was wounded when he jumped in front of an old lady as the bandit for no reason other than that she was there opened fire on her. Do police need fire arms? While crims are willing to gun down old ladies in broad daylight in order to get some cash for drugs, booze or holidays then 100% yes.
GG
QUOTE
Inquiry launched after man pepper-sprayed by police dies

Scotland’s police watchdog has launched an investigation after a man died in hospital the day after being pepper-sprayed by police.

The police investigations and review commissioner (PIRC) said Alan Hay, 50, from Dalbeattie, was rushed to hospital when he fell ill minutes before he was due to be checked in at Barlinnie prison the day after his arrest over a disturbance.

Police Scotland officers used a pepper spray incapacitant known as Captor PAVA during the incident, which took place on Monday.

It is the second recent death involving Police Scotland’s use of pepper spray. The force is under criminal investigation by the PIRC and the Crown Office after the death of Sheku Bayoh, who died last year as he was being held down on a pavement, seconds after being hit with pepper spray and CS gas. [...]

Full story here:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/au...-by-police-dies

GG.
Talisman
QUOTE (GG @ 6th Aug 2016, 09:15pm) *

Agitated violent offenders frequently raise their blood pressure, heart rate and overall detrimental situations to their health and the well being of others; others who are seldom accounted for when reports such as this come into the public arena. I have said it before. You can taser me, pepper spray me, hit me with a baton but for G-D's sake don't hit me with any 9mm bullets.
GG
Thanks Talisman, in reference to your introductory phrase "agitated violent offenders", in direct reference to this case, apparently you are in possession of information about this specific incident that is not currently in the "public arena". Could you please let us know more about your source, and where/how we can perhaps corroborate your information?

GG.
wombat
angry.gif so using cattle prods on people is ok now ? how demeaning.
Talisman
QUOTE (GG @ 6th Aug 2016, 11:37pm) *
Thanks Talisman, in reference to your introductory phrase "agitated violent offenders", in direct reference to this case, apparently you are in possession of information about this specific incident that is not currently in the "public arena". Could you please let us know more about your source, and where/how we can perhaps corroborate your information?

GG.

Incidents in Australia have caused ambulance and paramedic personnel to demand action be taken against those assaulting health professionals in the street, in ambulances and hospitals. Most if not all are in states of extreme agitation and paranoia. Even their companions are violently attacking professionals going to the aid of seriously distressed patients. This has been and is still being covered by media in Australia on an almost daily basis.

Last year alone in New South Wales 174 paramedics were assaulted. Some with a variety of weapons, knives, bats, broken bottles etc. Many of these miscreants were in obviously agitated states due to drink, drugs and a combination of both. It takes no medical experience to know (and I have blood pressures monitors at home as well as being monitored in hospital and having my blood pressure soar in reaction to pain and trauma.)

The internet is there, wont quote sources but the above was in a report on violence in the Sydney Morning Herald. The figures of traumatised attacks on police, paramedics, hospital personnel are well documented.

I don't suspect that physical reaction to traumatic incidents is confined to Australia but I am taking examples here in context of what I previously mentioned.
Scotsman
Was just reading about the ex English footballer who was killed by one of these weapons at the hands of the police. Disgraceful that they should be being used!! mad.gif
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