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bilbo.s
The differences between British police and those abroad has always struck me. OK we all know the big one is the wearing of guns but there are others,which wonder if anyome else realizes.

Police here in Spain .in US for instance, are more part of the community e.g. when they need to eat or drink they do so in a cafe, bar or restaurant with everyone else. Here in Spain they are also often seen having a blether in the street .

I don´t claim this is significant but it is worth thinking about. The police in these countries are armed but I do not feel threatened. We once had to climb over some bren guns in a campsite bar near Barcelona, as the local Guardia Civil had their breakfast. They all said "Buenos días" by the way and they all say "Hola" if they are in a bar for coffee.

The idea that police should not be familiar with the public, because it might prejudice their attitudes to an infringement of the law, seems out of favour here. Maybe they have their prioirities right.
Just a theory.
GG
Some very interesting points indeed.

The Herald has just published a story about moves by Liberal Democrat justice spokesman Robert Brown to challenge the decision by Steve House, the chief constable of Strathclyde Police, to routinely issue Tasers to beat officers (the subject of this topic). Mr Brown is reported as saying:

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Taser use in Scotland’s police forces should be a policy issue and not an operational issue as the current First Minister seems to think. He and his Government must step up to their responsibility and make sure those who are deployed with Tasers have training.

“The current scheme being piloted by Strathclyde Police, where they have armed 30 police officers with Tasers after only three days’ training, seems to be a decision that has only been taken by the chief constable.

“It certainly wasn’t a decision made by the police board and even less so by the Scottish Government.”

The LibDem stance is directly opposed to that of Scottish Government Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill, who told Holyrood yesterday that the issuing of stun guns was an operational matter for police, not one of government policy.

Read The Herald story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime-c...trial-1.1009403

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GG
A related article from New Zealand – mentions Glasgow:

Police need more protection from the thuggery in today’s society
http://www.gisborneherald.co.nz/article/?id=16343

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TeeHeeHee
Not only but also ...
...It seems the Taser isn't enough as the Home Office might be considering the introduction of a rifle version of the Taser,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/ar...uth-Tasers.html

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GG
The trial period, due to start today, has been delayed. According to a spokeswoman for Strathclyde Police the delay is due to problems in putting together an effective and wide-ranging evaluation group. The spokeswoman said:

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"It is crucial to the pilot project that the best possible evaluation group is in place with representation from other partner agencies.

There has been a delay in identifying the individuals who will undertake this and it was felt that it would not be in the interest of the public, our officers or the evaluation process to allow a pilot project to commence without this in place."

Amnesty International has repeatedly asked Strathclyde Police to rethink the trial introduction of the powerful stun guns. The Human Rights group claims that "since June 2001, more than 351 individuals in the United States have died after being shocked by police Tasers".

John Watson, director of Amnesty Inter­national in Scotland, said:
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"This is a particularly concerning move on the part of Strathclyde Police. Tasers are potentially lethal weapons which cause excruciating pain.

Strathclyde appears to be applying a very arbitrary approach to this rollout. In only giving the Taser to officers who want it, they appear to be handing it out like sweets. That’s exactly the way in which this weapon should not be rolled out.

We're urging Strath­clyde to reconsider these plans and put a stop to this six-month pilot."

Police say that the weapons are essential to combat the growing numbers of assaults on personnel in Glasgow, with up to six officers being assaulted each day in the city.


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benny
I don't think all our cops are angels by any means, but it ain't a job I'd like to be doing nowadays. Gun crime was almost unheard of in Scotland even 30 years ago, but is becoming more and more an everyday happening, and knife crime is totally out of control. Naw, the polis deserve tae be protected daein their jobs.

Anyway, if they can build cameras and usage recorders into the device, surely they can build in safeguards which would prevent it from being used continuously or more than a specified number of times within a given timeframe?
GG
The trial has now begun.

Regular beat cops (with three days training in their use) are now carrying Tasers from today in two pilot areas in Strathclyde: Glasgow and Rutherglen/Cambuslang.

Chief Constable Stephen House said:
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"Our use of Tasers is very clearly contained. Officers must perceive that either they or a member of the public is going to be subject to violence before they can use a Taser."

Amnesty International has raised serious concerns over the trial use of the 50,000-volt stun guns.

Amnesty's Scotland Programme Director John Watson said:
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"This is a particularly concerning move on the part of Strathclyde Police.

Tasers are potentially lethal weapons which cause excruciating pain. We have always insisted that these weapons are used only in very limited circumstances by police officers who undergo intensive, ongoing and rigorous training.

Strathclyde also appears to be applying a very arbitrary approach to this rollout. In only giving the Taser to officers who want it, they appear to be handing it out like sweets. That’s exactly the way in which this weapon should not be rolled out. Tasers should only be given to officers who are best-trained and those who really require it to carry out their job."

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Melody
Och it's nothin' tae worry aboot, there's only the two policemen in Glasgow City Centre anyhow. laugh.gif laugh.gif
bilbo.s
That's two more than in my last village in Aberdenshire- the nearest polis was 12 miles away.

Should have given us all Tazers!
Ned Kelly
This is very worrying - if you think I am going into Glasgow city centre on a Saturday night now you've got to be kidding. It was bad enough avoiding the drunks, now decent people will have to also watch out for the uniformed officers drunk on their own power and self-importance.

Edinburgh here I come!!!
GG
An important development to this story today:

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Illegal Glasgow Taser trial in must be halted, says Amnesty

The Scottish Government is under pressure to end a police trial of Taser guns after a report commissioned by a human rights body suggested that the scheme was potentially illegal.

Under the six-month pilot scheme that began last month, 30 beat officers have been issued with the electro-shock weapons, which can incapacitate a suspect by delivering 50,000 volts at distances of up to 11m (35ft). The guns have been linked to nearly 300 deaths in Canada and the US, and, before the trial, only specialist firearms police were allowed to carry them. ...

Full story at The Times Online:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/s...icle7129143.ece

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Police Taser gun trial 'unlawful'

A human rights charity has accused Scotland's largest police force of not acting lawfully in arming some of its beat officers with Taser stun guns.

Amnesty International has written to the Scottish Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill asking for the Strathclyde Police scheme to be halted immediately. ...

Full story at the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgo...est/8686436.stm

And in a related development:

Tam Baillie, Scotland’s Commissioner for Children and Young People, has claimed that there are no restrictions or safeguards to protect children from being 'Tasered'. He too has called for the trial to be halted immediately. He added:

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"Beat officers are being equipped with these potentially lethal weapons with no safeguards in place to protect children and no firm evidence of the physical and mental impacts of their use on under-18s.

Tasers are potentially lethal – they have been linked to hundreds of adult deaths – and the UN has made it clear that their use on children is unacceptable.

Arming beat officers with Tasers brings them into our communities, making them part of everyday life, and risks them being used in situations when lesser force would suffice. Police and Scottish ministers cannot wait until there is a Taser tragedy involving a child to take action on this."

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weebren3
NOOOOOOOOOO they should not have tasers,they have been banned in some countrys,the death rate was high with the use of those.I mean police dont know what they are up against some times,but they are trained,and know the danger,they took the job and still they want to enable themselves with more brutality,why not give them rifles get it over with.I mean there is the forces who are trained in more danger than them,glasgow are full of trigger happy police when they have A bad day. Sorry I am not happy with that. They took An oath to protect and serve in good judgment.
benny
Aye, but they didnae take an oath tae let themselves be hammered by a bunch of wee neds and dae nothin aboot it. As you say, why stop at Tasers? Give them real guns, as long as they're properly trained in their use.
TeeHeeHee
And bullet proof boots ... in case they shoot themselves in the foot. tongue.gif biggrin.gif
wombat
rolleyes.gif there wis several serious injuries and a few fatalities among police in the first few weeks when south australian police were first issued sidearms (S&W revolver) in one of the poilce fatalities it was found to be an argument over drugs /territory ,havin used revolvers furr over 15years ,they would be the most difficult gun to"accidently" shoot oneself or someone else with having so many safety features ,so police should be drug tested furr a start .been several deaths over here fae tazers saw a guy gettin zapped jist furr runnin oan tae a fitba pitch oan the news ,funny part is when did humans suddenly become CATTLE. gie thim an inch an aw that . treat people better then we widny need tazers .
GG
Hi wombat, just checked for the footage on YouTube, and here it is:


The incident happened earlier this month at the Philadelphia Phillies' Citizens Bank Park. The fan was 17 years old.

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GG
An extract from the Scottish Parliament Business Bulletin No. 83/2010, Tuesday 18 May 2010, of a motion or amendment published for the first time:

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S3M-6327 Robert Brown: Legal Status of Strathclyde Police Taser Pilots — That the Parliament notes with concern the legal analysis commissioned by Amnesty International indicating that the Strathclyde Taser pilot is unlawful; notes that under this pilot 30 frontline police officers were supplied with Taser weapons following a three-day training course; further notes that this legal analysis concluded that Scottish ministers are required to give written authorisation before any new scheme to arm police officers can take place; understands that no such authorisation has been obtained for the Strathclyde pilot; further notes the legal advice given to Amnesty International that while firearms legislation is reserved to the UK Parliament, control over firearms policy and the delivery of existing legislation has been specifically devolved to the Scottish Ministers; recognises that this is at odds with the assertion by the Cabinet Secretary for Justice, made during a debate on the Strathclyde pilot on 25 February 2010, that "Since the matter is a reserved responsibility, this Parliament has no locus to intervene, and the decision about how best to apply the existing legislation is an operational matter for each police force"; recognises that it was the Home Secretary who signed off on issuing Tasers to frontline police officers in England and Wales; believes that extending the use of Tasers beyond firearms officers represents a shift in policy, not an operational decision, which requires ministerial sanction and which has serious human rights implications; further believes that there is need for proper debate on the implications of further arming police officers, and, in light of the doubts about the legal position, calls for the Strathclyde pilot to be halted in order that these issues be resolved.

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wombat
QUOTE (GG @ 18th May 2010, 10:45pm) *
Hi wombat, just checked for the footage on YouTube, and here it is:

...

The incident happened earlier this month at the Philadelphia Phillies' Citizens Bank Park. The fan was 17 years old.

GG.

thanx GG thats the wan ah seen oan telly and thats done in full view of everyone ,have seen other footage of tazerings an it looks like torture tae me especially footage of brutal bashing of an unconcious car accident victim by 4 police in US,ah dont think incidents like that wid go down too well in glasgow or wie its people. merr befitting nazi death camps.
GG
I found the following story (published today) because it refers to Glasgow; however, it is Glasgow in Montana, USA. The news article tells of the injuries received by a Chief Deputy while receiving Taser training. In the US it is customary for law enforcement officers to be 'Tased' (in controlled circumstances, with medical personnel present) as part of the Taser training process; the theory presumably to demonstrate how powerful the effect of the stun gun is on a fit, healthy adult. The police officer in the news story received horrific injuries as a rsult of this 'demonstration' Tasing.

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Deputy’s arms, shoulders injured in Taser training
Muscles convulsed severely enough to fracture several bones

A Roosevelt County sheriff’s deputy is recovering at home two weeks after he broke both his arms during a training session in which he was zapped by a stun gun.

“I took the Taser, and when it was over I couldn’t move my arms,” Chief Deputy Jason Frederick said.

Frederick underwent surgery at St. Vincent Healthcare in Billings after breaking the humerus bones, in his upper arms, dislocating his shoulders and fracturing his shoulder sockets.

“The doctor in Glasgow told me it was the worst injuries to the shoulders he’d ever seen,” Frederick said. ...

Read the full story here:
http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-...1cc4c002e0.html

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Tasers in the news again today with Amnesty again questioning both the morality and the legality of the use of Tasers on Glasgow streets. John Watson, Scottish programme director for Amnesty International, said:

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"You don't have things like this happening without public engagement.

But Strathclyde Police are unilaterally going ahead without it. We know lawyers are interested in the implications if someone is Tasered by an officer on this pilot scheme.

There is a very strong case to take legal action, regardless of what they have done. I'm very clear this pilot is unlawful. I believe if someone was Tasered they would win [a legal case].

... We've done a lot of research in other countries where Tasers are part of the police's equipment, such as the US, Canada, and Australia, and it's shoot first, ask questions later."

Also, lawyers are questioning whether police officers have immunity from prosecution where the use of weapons is disputed. See the article below for more information:

Lawyers take aim at police Tasers
http://business.scotsman.com/news/Lawyers-...lice.6386277.jp

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droschke7
I haven't noticed any complaints from Amnesty about people attacking fire engines, Firemen/women or Policeman/women, and nothing about the thugs throwing molotv cocktails and bricks at Fire engines and personelle, but they are quick enough to complain about tasers.
Jim D
QUOTE (GG @ 27th Jun 2010, 06:35pm) *
Tasers in the news again today with Amnesty again questioning both the morality and the legality of the use of Tasers on Glasgow streets. John Watson, Scottish programme director for Amnesty International, said:


Also, lawyers are questioning whether police officers have immunity from prosecution where the use of weapons is disputed. See the article below for more information:

Lawyers take aim at police Tasers
http://business.scotsman.com/news/Lawyers-...lice.6386277.jp

GG.

The Police have never had ammunity from the use of force. It has been widely reported in the media when a police officer has used force and has ended up in court for allegedly using excessive force.
I can only assume that an officer will , as always, be required to justify his use of force when using tasers.
TeeHeeHee
In the news over here at the weekend ... Two (armed with 9mm weapons) police officers in Hamburg went in to break up a disturbance on the street involving teenagers. One officer is in critical condition in hospital while the other received lesser injuries. Probably only allowed to use their weapons when other fire arms are present.
Tasers would have been handy though.
These guys are also husbands and fathers trying to protect the public or maintain order.
What's the betting the teenagers are too young to do time?
Jim D
In the UK, if there is immediate danger to life, then an officer carrying a gun is entitled to shoot the perpetrator. Would this scenario have been such a situation? An officer now critically ill in hospital!

Imagine the outcry - police officer shoots innocent teenager!
droschke7
I Lived in Gernmany for 21 years, Give the police proper guns and not these daft ideas. It works there why not here
droschke7
Wish I could type that should have read I lived in Germany
glasgow lass
laugh.gif got your drift
GG
A couple of opposing letters in the papers recently:

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Taser trials without public approval indicate a tendency to policing by fear, not consent

The success of the Scottish Government’s No Knives, Better Lives initiative to reduce knife crime among young people illustrates the benefits of taking a non-confrontational, inclusive approach to tackling street violence, combining education and awareness.

In stark contrast, the taser pilot, which is currently running in areas of Strathclyde, is the antithesis of this youth crime initiative. Anecdotal evidence and the statistics quoted in your report show no strong evidence that arming ordinary beat officers with potentially lethal weapons, without effective training, is an effective way of tackling crime. In fact, just the opposite. What’s more, legal experts have concluded that lack of ministerial oversight renders it unlawful.

There is a strong tradition of policing by consent in Scottish law enforcement. Unfortunately, in the hastily-introduced Strathclyde taser initiative, we have seen a new way of thinking from Scottish policy-makers, one that steers away from approp­riate and measured responses in favour of policing by fear.

John Watson,
Progamme director for Amnesty in Scotland,
Amnesty International UK Section,


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Taser trial is designed to protect the public

Amnesty International’s contribution to the debate about our Taser pilot is perhaps an example of the worst type of scare­mongering. It is inaccurate and designed to cause fear among the very public our officers work so hard to protect. The facts are clear. Strathclyde Police has more than 8,000 officers. Only 30 are taking part in the pilot scheme, which lasts for six months and is being fully and independently evaluated. The results will be presented to our own police authority and will also be made available to the public.

Amnesty might like to think this legal, limited, independently evaluated pilot scheme represents a shift away from policing by consent to policing by fear but it would be wrong. The pilot aims to look at the future role Tasers might play in protecting the public and our officers from violent attack. Amnesty has been noticeably quiet on this subject. We look forward to the day when its public comments centre on the human rights of the victims of crime, whom we try to protect, and our officers, who are injured doing their job, not on needlessly causing fear and alarm.

Rob Shorthouse,
Director of Communications,
Strathclyde Police HQ.

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GG
Looks like the controversial Glasgow Taser trial could become a 'political football', with Labour and the Lib Dems in favour of halting the roll-out to clarify the legal position. On the other hand, SNP ministers have repeatedly said that Taser use by beat police officers is a matter for consideration only of individual police forces, and that there is no need for further legal clarification. Amnesty International has itself repeatedly expressed very serious concerns about the legality of the trial.

Making matters more interesting is the fact that the Glasgow city councillor Stephen Curran is presently convener of the Strathclyde Police Authority (SPA). Mr Curran will battle against Nicola Sturgeon, SNP deputy First Minister, for the Glasgow Southside seat at next year’s Holyrood elections.

Mr Curran has been accused of 'lacking appetite' for a fight with Strathclyde's chief constable, Steve House, over the Taser trial.

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... Several prominent SPA members have told The Herald they believe he does not have the desire for shaking up the relationship between the authority and Strathclyde Police for fear it could damage him electorally.

They claim Curran, who receives about £22,000 for the post, gave the authority assurances he would see out the post until 2012, while he claims he said only that it would be unlikely he would be selected for the 2011 Holyrood election.

He has also been accused of reneging on an agreement to put the Taser scheme through further legal checks for fear of upsetting the chief constable. Curran denies this and says his views have been misunderstood. ...

Full story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-ne...-feud-1.1043367

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GG
The Lib Dem view, from Robert Brown MSP, quoted in May this year:

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"Taser use in Scotland's police forces should be a policy issue and not an operational issue as the current First Minister and Justice Secretary seem to think. The SNP Government must not do a Pontius Pilate and wash their hands of this. They must take the policy responsibility for tasers.

In England it is the Home Secretary that signs off use of tasers amongst police forces and we want to see this happen in Scotland.

Blasting someone with 50,000 volts should be a last resort, to be used in limited circumstances and should only be carried by officers who have had proper training as firearms officers.

In the meantime, in the light of the doubts about the legal position, the taser pilot should be halted forthwith until the legal position is sorted out."

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Jupiter
I worked the beat in north Glasgow for 20 years and faced many situations where the only protection I had was my hands feet and a bit of wood called a baton which incidentally was quite effective if aimed properly. Again the guidelines were not to strike the head of the attacker but concentrate on legs and arms. Now this is ok sitting in a class spouting off but when you are in a situation where you have to decide,is it me or him going down there is not much time for theory and split second decision taking is required. Hit him on the head and he will go down but he may be brain damaged or dead .Hit him elswhere with less effect it may be you who goes down badly injured or worse. AS LONG AS A PERSON (POLICE OR OTHERWISE) USES REASONABLE FORCE TO DEFEND THEMSELF AND THEY CAN JUSTIFY IT THEY HAVE THE LAW ON THEIR SIDE.
I believe the time has come whereby the availability of a taser to a beat officer in order to defend himself is justified. It is not a pleasant effect but Im sure that once the criminal element who have a mind to try it on with officers sample it there would be fewer assaults.
I think it would be very interesting to know if the academics who comment on these matters have ever sampled the delights of inner city GB on Saturday nights with a beat man and witnessed the raw hatred and violence that is now normal.
GG
The Glasgow Taser trial was back in the news last month after figures showed that the number of assaults on Strathclyde police officers was falling fast. According to Amnesty International, the recently-available figures undermine the police case which was put forward for starting the 'flawed' trial, and the human rights group insists that the trial should be stopped immediately.

John Watson, Amnesty's programme director in Scotland, said:
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Moves to provide ordinary patrol officers with Tasers places the capacity for extreme force into everyday policing and takes us away from the traditional Scottish model where force is used as a last resort.

Any move to issue Tasers to police officers should be accompanied by an explanation of why arming the police will improve the situation, and firm evidence that the proposals comply with human rights standards. The Strathclyde Police pilot fails on both counts.

Les Gray, of the police trade union, responded:
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This argument beggars belief. One of my pet hates is that Amnesty International feels the need to get involved in this debate. It is very easy to pass judgement on something when you are sitting behind a desk. Amnesty’s attitude is outrageous.

Robert Brown MSP, Liberal Democrat justice spokesman, commented:
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"The policy surrounding the use of Tasers should be a matter for ministerial direction as it is in England. The safety of police officers is paramount but the Amnesty report casts considerable doubt on the link between the safety of police officers and the use of Tasers."

Meanwhile, the Scottish Government is trying to avoid getting involved.

GG.
TeeHeeHee
Two weeks ago we had here; in Lörrach, SW Germany, the case of a woman; armed with an automatic and 300 rounds of ammo, a lawyer, who went on the rampage on an otherwise quiet Sunday evening.
Her score was 4 dead and some wounded including a policeman, shot in the knee, who was coincidently a patient in the hospital which was her main target. She had first killed her husband and her child and set her apartment ablaze before walking the few hundred meters to the hospital shooting wildly at passers-by on her way. At the hospital she wounded two and fired off a magazine into a ward door before the police arrived and managed to put her down with a total of 17 shots into her body. She had planned all this a long time ago.
50 policemen had to have spiritual and psychological treatment as a result.
There are some instances where a Taser might be a useful tool for a policeman on duty but there are also instances where half the power of God on your hip is much more effective.
I'm all for the later.
GG
Thanks, THH, a sad story indeed.

One thing that must be remembered in this discussion is that the Strathclyde police force already has a number of highly trained, mobile firearms officers available at all times. These firearms officers have a range of non-lethal and lethal weaponary at their disposal, including Tasers. They are highly skilled in deciding which response is most effective.

Can we (or should we want to) rely on ordinary beat officers to exercise the professional judgement of firearms officers?

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auldbutcher
Todays society scum bag gangs roam a boot in auld Glesga toon tooled up wie aw sorts o modern weaponry and the fact we are gien oor polis A WEE TOY THAT WILL GIVE THESE SCUM BAGS A WEE KICK COS THATS WHAT IT AMOUNTS TAE IS CAUSEN ANIMOSITY.

In this day an age please give oor police force an even ball park.

Ach am wasting my time cos the them that masquerade as politicians who are supposed tae take care o oor welfare canny even look efter the men and women who protect us i.e the Brit army second tae none and our police force, jasus scumbags can attack the ambulance service,the fire service, get caught an get a wee skelpt on the wrist me i'd send them tae heavy duty detention centres army style, the auld butch say's 30 year ago give me a job in a place like that an am telling you this chile would have showed them the error o there wies member the auld army sayin, jump and maist o these tuppey halfpenny gangsters wid ask how high.
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (GG @ 2nd Oct 2010, 02:33pm) *
One thing that must be remembered in this discussion is that the Strathclyde police force already has a number of highly trained, mobile firearms officers available at all times ...

Can we (or should we want to) rely on ordinary beat officers to exercise the professional judgement of firearms officers?

GG.

I read in the local newspaper report after the incident here that in Baden-Württemberg; the state where this latest incident took place ( I don't know if it applies in other German states) and where in recent times worse cases involving schools where disillusioned pupils armed with pump shotguns and automatic hand guns were the cause of multiple deaths among fellow pupils and teachers , that the normal police officers; although also armed, have been given courses of instruction in assessment and decision taking in shoot to kill situations where the protection of the public, and themselves, is deemed necessary.
It had been decided that if each serving officer was fully trained in this fashion then precious time and lives would be saved rather than waiting for specialist teams to be transported to wherever the problem was occurring.
This was the case in Lörrach but, sad to say, the ordinary copper is not trained in the mental aftermath of having to go home and turn on the telly in the comfort of his home and family after having taking out a deranged wife and mother or disillusioned school-kid with a pump-action shotgun.
In general the policemen here do receive a great deal of respect from the public and from the neds , probably due in greater part to the fact that they are openly armed but also due in part to the fact that to insult a police officer verbally carries an automatic visit to the local nick and a hefty fine to follow.
This is written.
auldbutcher
Jupe am a hunner per cent ahind you ,gg says can we trust oor polis tae use there judgement on when tae fire .or is it better tae wait fer the assistance o fire armed special forces.
Auld butch ses if there is a question mark agin any polis officers mental capabilitys then why should he be holding doon a job there in the first place .

Jupiter talks aboot him an his trusty tommy lawton ,yep jupe but that wis efn 20 years ago ,gonna ask you sumpkin, as a man used tae a wee bit o mayhem on the street ,ow wid you an yer trusty baton get on when there wis three handed dudes wie pickaxe haunels and bits o lead pipe assaultin you ,me ad hiv loved tae hiv picked oot my side arm an said make my day punk.
TeeHeeHee
Anybody find my TASER?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-...llery&ino=8
TeeHeeHee
You cant make these up. Here's another one from the same source. laugh.gif

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-...lery&ino=23
Dunvegan
Tasers are a matter of much soul searching by the "greens" and civil libertarians, always the first in line to defend the use of violence against the police and to protect those who would visit Jihad on the happy folks of Australia. I for one would be more than happy to be "Tazered" rather than stop a 9mm from a Glock.
droschke7
checked out the Links LOL yopu couldn't make that up could you
TeeHeeHee
I had to laugh at the poor sod in Redruth (Cornwall) just one of those days when he should have stayed in bed. rolleyes.gif laugh.gif
wee davy
Don't forget - this was in the 'Duchy' folks wink.gif laugh.gif
It definitely wasn't that poor cornishman's day, right enuf.
ionnsaigh
QUOTE (Dunvegan @ 23rd Feb 2011, 07:39am) *
Tasers are a matter of much soul searching by the "greens" and civil libertarians, always the first in line to defend the use of violence against the police and to protect those who would visit Jihad on the happy folks of Australia. I for one would be more than happy to be "Tazered" rather than stop a 9mm from a Glock.


Aye an ye could take that a wee bit further, I for one would be more than happy being booked than Zapped. wink.gif
bilbo.s
[quote name='ionnsaigh' date='24th Feb 2011, 12:31pm' post='346265']
Aye an ye could take that a wee bit further, I for one would be more than happy being booked than Zapped. wink.gif
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A stern talking-to would dae me. rolleyes.gif
TeeHeeHee
Ah'd be happy with a wagged finger. rolleyes.gif
Dunvegan
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 24th Feb 2011, 09:21pm) *
Ah'd be happy with a wagged finger. rolleyes.gif

Even ignored!
TeeHeeHee
laugh.gif That especially. laugh.gif
Dylan
Tasers are not a " Non Lethal " alternative to guns.

They are an alternative to guns..!!
angel

....stun gun death Vancouver Airport.
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