Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Thatcher Tried To Demolish Hampden
Glasgow Boards/Forums > GG Discussions > Glasgow News Blog
GG
Margaret Thatcher's Tory government tried to demolish Scotland's International Stadium, Hampden Park, according to recently-released declassified government documents. The secret files reveal that the Tories, whose unreserved antipathy for Scotland was reciprocated, planned to tear down the dilapidated stadium and shuttle Scotland's national games between venues around the country.

Former MP Teddy Taylor, working as a Tory special advisor after losing his Glasgow seat in the constituency where Hampden is located, was the man identified as advocating a party policy of demolishing the stadium rather than renovating it.

The demolition proposals were drawn up after a 5.5million funding plan for the national stadium's refurbishment were withdrawn by Glasgow District Council, leaving the then 76-year-old facility vulnerable to Tory overtures orchestrated from Westminster.

Mr Taylor's late seventies report said:
QUOTE
"If the Hampden scheme isn't going ahead, wouldn't it be wise to call it a day, offering to sweeten the pill by indicating that the big international matches would be played at various grounds, not just in Glasgow, with Aberdeen, Dundee and Edinburgh all getting a share?

There would be the remaining problem of what to do with Hampden, but I have a feeling it would be better for this to be faced up to now rather than just allowing the massive ground simply to deteriorate. I think you’d be surprised to find how many folk would welcome it after the initial burst of protest."

Although Alexander Fletcher, then under-secretary of state for Scotland, agreed with the proposal, he suggested that it would be "more appropriate" for the Scottish football authorities to arrive at the same conclusion, independently of the Conservative party.

QUOTE
Fletcher wrote:
"If Glasgow District Council does not reverse its decision, there is no doubt that the scheme [for redevelopment] would have to be abandoned. In the event, it would be for the football bodies to decide what to do about big matches. It would be natural and appropriate for them to think in terms of using the bigger grounds in Glasgow and other parts of Scotland."

Fortunately foe Glasgow, and for Scotland, Mr Taylor's plans were to eventually come to nothing and Hampden was redeveloped into one of Uefa's 'Elite Stadiums' hosting a Champions' League and UEFA Cup final in the last ten years alone.



Aerial view of the 'new' Hampden Park.



The view inside the great stadium.

Mr Taylor though has since stood by his plans for demolition, saying:
QUOTE
"I still think it would have been terribly good to replace Hampden by having international games shared throughout Scotland."

GG.
marydee
Comes as no surprise she would liked to have demolished Scotland
jojax64
The Tories demolished more Scottish industry than the Luftwaffe.
Comes as no surprise that Hampden would be on her hitlist.
Ravenscraig, Rosyth, the miners, Poll Tax.....that woman should burn in hell for what she did to Scotland. mad.gif
kerry4652
QUOTE (marydee @ 14th Dec 2009, 11:27pm) *
Comes as no surprise she would liked to have demolished Scotland


Funnily enough I thought she did
Heather
Yes Thatcher made a good job of demolishing Scotland.

I seem to be one of the few who agreed with the Poll Tax. Everyone paying their fair share, but deducted at source from the Wages, just like NHS & Tax.

It was surprising to me while working in the Social Security on Direct Payments, the amount of people who were still paying Poll Tax arrears years after it had ended.
norrie123
I am sure the people who live next to Hampden would have happily seen it demolished and moved away from houses.
Glasgow Tigers raced there for a few years but were tolerated by the tenents, JUST
Cant think they why they prefered football supporters to a few Speedway fans
Anyway what they have built, is an apology for a national stadium.

Ah maggie gets blamed for all UK ills, how come nobody has reopened mines, steelworks and so on, could the blessed Margaret have been right biggrin.gif
Bye for now, norrie
dugald_old
QUOTE (Heather @ 15th Dec 2009, 12:56am) *
Yes Thatcher made a good job of demolishing Scotland.

I seem to be one of the few who agreed with the Poll Tax. Everyone paying their fair share, but deducted at source from the Wages, just like NHS & Tax.
It was surprising to me while working in the Social Security on Direct Payments, the amount of people who were still paying Poll Tax arrears years after it had ended.


I was one of the few too Heather. I think the poll tax was a much fairer way of obtaining municipal taxes. And by the way, I paid my taxes the first year of the poll tax, but the next year I sold the house and didn't pay the taxes...but there's a wee bit more to it than that. A sheriff in Kilmarnock chased us for a few years then i guess he got fed up and we haven't heard from him for a few years.
TeeHeeHee
Dugald, are you admitting to being an "outlaw"? ... that would put you in the same category as us contractors; wouldn't it tongue.gif biggrin.gif
Rabbie
Wis a dump anyway.

She missed Sighthill... but that's under the cosh!

Viva la Maggie.

<chuckles>
donaldanderson
If she had shut down Parkheid and Ibrox instead she would have done us all a favour.

There is nothing that Thatcher has not done to Scotland and the working class that wasn't done by Lords Wilson and Callaghan, who paved the way for her and then followed by the Thatcherites, Blair and Broon.

It was Old Labour that closed most of the Scottish pits to make way for Nuclear plants. It was Old Labour the sent the troops IN to Glasgow to empty bins, drive ambulances and fire engines to scab on strikers to impose a Labour Pay Freeze. It was Old Labour that sent Troops IN to Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan. It Old was Labour that collected the Poll Tax in Scotland and repossessed thousands. It was Old and New Labour who refused an amnesty for Poll Tax defaulters in Scotland, whilst England was granted one. It was New Labour that stopped student grants and introduced tuition fees. It was Old Labour who first ripped off Scotland's Oil and New Labour who is ripping off Scotland for London's Olympic debacle. It was Old and New Labour who ripped off the working class by pretending to be "socialist" and out Thatcherisng the Tories.

If there is anything worse that Labour can do to areas, like Glasgow Springburn then we don't want to know.
Macbeast
As I read it, it was Teddy Taylor who proposed it be demolished, not Mrs Thatcher. And Taylor wasn't even an MP at the time.

That's why they say prejudice is blind.

hopalong cassidy
It wasn't Thatcher to Taylor who tryied to scrap Hampden. It was Rangers. Plans had already been approved They (Rangers) Jim Watt boxing match when the then chairman spoke to a Tory MP and convinced him that speading the games around the country would be a cheaper option. In other words. Ibrox would hold all the glamour games, like Italy, Spain Brazil while alll other stadiums could hold games like San Marino.
Rabbie
QUOTE (Macbeast @ 15th Dec 2009, 07:38am) *
As I read it, it was Teddy Taylor who proposed it be demolished, not Mrs Thatcher. And Taylor wasn't even an MP at the time.

That's why they say prejudice is blind.

Aye, as ah wis say.. there are none so blind as the prejudiced.

Maggie is a jist blame goat for so many things, but take a good hard look at Blair and Broon, does she seem as bad noo? She is no angel, but who is?

Wan thing I do admire about her is, at least she had guts and the courage of her convictions, no like the simpering, limp wristit deceitful, lieing self serving foppery we are witness to these days.
dugald_old
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 15th Dec 2009, 01:40am) *
Dugald, are you admitting to being an "outlaw"? ... that would put you in the same category as us contractors; wouldn't it tongue.gif biggrin.gif


Yes Thh, I suppose I really was, but i was able to convince myself that I had rightousness on my side. The first year of the poll-tax the house was in both my wife's name and my name, hence two occupants, therefore we paid the poll-tax for two people. Following this we put the house in my name only, with the intention of just paying poll-tax for one person. Geez, we only used the house for about 4 months in the year. We went to the municipal office in Ayr and argued till we were blue in the face, but holiday-house or no holiday-house, they wouldn't bend (and they were Scottish civil servants, not English!).

Anyway, we had decided to give up the house for reasons other than the tax (it wasn't that bad!), so we sold the house and didn't pay the tax. All kinds of threats followed from a bailiff and a sheriff in Kilmarnock. They told us they would come to our house and remove all the furniture as payment. I told them if they did they would find themselves in deeper trouble than we were.
bigdrew
Yes...anything that Thatcher wanted I'm against, and she proved it the way she attacked Scotland....
However, on the issue of Hampden....I did listen to the TV discussion with Archie MacPherson, about this issue, and as much as I hate to admit it......he has a point about the demolition of Hampden...
Had we gone down the line of realising that the new Hampden was a stadium for posers...we might, just might have stood back and realised that the Scottish Game was falling to pieces, and put the money into youth training facilities over Scotland, (probably about 8), and we would not see today such a low-level, and crap football structure...
People ask why we as Scots, have dropped to such a low standard, whereas countries whom we beat regularily, now 'tank us' in style and performance every game....?
Perhaps Big Archie is right, maybe instead of Hating Thatcher so much, we might have looked to the future, and copied what France, Germany, Italy and almost every other country did....spend money on developing the football game...without a showpiece stadium that is a luxury surely we cannot now afford.............needs some thought on the matter...!
TeeHeeHee
QUOTE (dugald @ 15th Dec 2009, 01:26pm) *
Yes Thh, I suppose I really was, but i was able to convince myself that I had rightousness on my side ... I told them if they did they would find themselves in deeper trouble than we were.

And, again, you were right biggrin.gif ; in your conclusion too. tongue.gif
dugald_old
I agree eith what you say about Hampden Park Bigdrew. I have travelled a lot in Scotland and I was always interested in taking a look at the youth training facilities available. i only ever saw one. This one was in Largs and i thought it was a very good one. I was also told there was one in Milngavie, but despite having tried to find it, i never did. There's probably more now, I don't know, but i often thought it was strange that there didn't appear to be very many around Glasgow. Crimey even Renfrew had better facilities than i found in Glasgow
marydee
If the demolition of Hampden and the distribution of important games throughout Scotland was such a good idea why did the English rebuild Wembley?
Heather
Dugald, it made no difference whose name the house was in, everyone 18yrs or 21yrs old ( can't remember which) was liable to pay Poll Tax whether working or claiming Benefits.

My husband was Long Term Sick and he had to pay the same as everyone else.
Macbeast
Is Archie McPherson still around ??

I used to work with him at BBC Scotland in in the late 60s and if I had a pound for every time we had to do a retake because the wind blew his comb over vertical ..... biggrin.gif
ashfield
QUOTE (Macbeast @ 16th Dec 2009, 08:40am) *
Is Archie McPherson still around ??

I used to work with him at BBC Scotland in in the late 60s and if I had a pound for every time we had to do a retake because the wind blew his comb over vertical ..... biggrin.gif

That needs a different kind of thatcher laugh.gif
dugald_old
QUOTE (Heather @ 15th Dec 2009, 08:54pm) *
Dugald, it made no difference whose name the house was in, everyone 18yrs or 21yrs old ( can't remember which) was liable to pay Poll Tax whether working or claiming Benefits.

My husband was Long Term Sick and he had to pay the same as everyone else.

Yes, I did find that out Heather, but i had thought they wouldn't have known how many were living in the house. Perhaps if we'd put the house in one name to begin with it would have worked.
Guest
Labour has demolished more of Glasgow than Thatcher ever did.... and not just buildings!!!!
Heather
I'll tell you worse than that Dugald.

My brother was 43 yrs old when he was diagnosed with Motor Neurone. He died when he was 56 yrs old .
A few weeks after his funeral, his wife got a notice in from the Council for my brothers over due Poll Tax dated right up to the day he died. It was only for a few weeks money even though during that time, he was in a Hospice.
We were all totally disgusted, but she paid it because she said, " he was never in debt when alive, so he won't be now he's dead ".

marydee
The 'Can't Pay Won't Pay' campaign against the poll tax cost many people dearly because some of those who did not pay were on low incomes and because they saw themselves as Can't Pays they did not claim the rebates due to them. The subsequent abandonment of this policy did not wipe out their debt and they were chased up for many years for the full amount because rebates are not applied retrospectively. So instead of owing hundreds some of the poorest had eventually to pay back thousands.
Heather
Your right Marydee.

Years after it ended and I was working on Direct Payments, I was still setting up Poll Tax to be deducted at source from people on Income Support who were in arrears with their Poll Tax. wub.gif
TeeHeeHee
Was it ... jobs worth mate tongue.gif rolleyes.gif
Heather
No it was the Social Security. rolleyes.gif
tamhickey
Ultimately, the "Cant pay, won't pay" campaign was a success in that it brought the demise of the tax itself, and Thatcher too. This was a horrendous tax if you happened to live with a family of six adults living hand to mouth in a 3 apartment where everybody had to stump up as opposed to well heeled folk who would gain from it. Now, I'm not saying that everyone who gained from this policy was a "toff!, far from it, but there were many people who lost out and who simply could not afford to pay this tax.
What surprised me was that the Tories had always promoted themselves as the party of low taxation and they introduced this at a time when unemployment was so high, due in part to their economic mismanagement of the UK's industrial base. Mining had gone, steelworks had gone, shipbuilding too and so had all the businesses that had relied on them. Not to mention social housing.
Maggie had messed up big time and money had to be raised for the exchequer somehow, ergo, the Poll Tax. Everything else had been sold off. We no longer owned the telecoms industry, Gas or electricity and water was privatised too. It was a sell your neighbour down the river kinda time. as long as "you" the individual was alright, then to hell with the rest.
That's why it comes as no surprise that the Conservative cabinet tried to offload Hampen Park.These people had no affinity with Glasgow, or for Scotland, whose population had consistently voted against them for many years.
Having said that, I have been to Hampen and it is pretty rubbish nowadays. The fans are too far away from the action. If you don't have a pair of binoculars then you won't know who has the ball.
It's my opinion that a new ground should have been built elsewhere.
ashfield
Tam, good post. I have only been in the function suites at Hampden since it was renovated for a conference. Being realistic, it probably fits the profile of the kind of stadium we deserve. Interesting that the potential rise of fortunes for the Welsh has co-incided with them getting the prestidious millenium stadium. I stopped going to see Sotland during the 80s when it became clear that some players were dictating which games they would play in.

I have made my views known on the GG board before about the Poll Tax, I was better off but I was totally against it. I still believe that a local income tax is the fairest way to finance local services. In any system there will be winners and losers, that's the way it is. Fairness should be the main criteria.
*greta*
No surprize there then. Not the biggest fan of Scotland was she, after the poll tax. Im surprised any True Scot has a good word to say about her. She quite obviously hated us, not surprising the tories still dont get anywhere in this country. You can be ignored for only so long without taking offence. Good riddence to that goverment.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.