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> Asylum Seekers Face Glasgow Exodus, Breakdown in government deal causes crisis
wee davy
post 17th Apr 2012, 04:48pm
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What might be their 'true' motivation, then john?
World Domination (were talking about 140 failed asylum seekers here).
Or some sinister plan to enslave the people of Glasgow?

I'd be interested in what you might come up with.

Perhaps they should all be locked up in detention centres, for daring toeir get a fair deal for they're own? Pending of course, some form of trumped up charge of subverting Britain's welfare/human rights systems.


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post 17th Apr 2012, 04:57pm
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You shouldn't count people who dont vote, if they dont want to be part of the political process then their views or opions matter little, or not at all.

By heck, I like this one, john.

An awful lot of women didn't vote before 1929 (the first election they were allowed to use their newly won freedom). Does that mean women didnae count before 1929??

Most people who do not USE their vote, often DELIBERATELY choose not to - and I must say I have a certain amount of sympathy with them - when you look at the choices one has to make at times!
In my view, we need to understand, and INCLUDE these folk - in order to address the problems we so often seem to return to - over and over again


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post 17th Apr 2012, 05:38pm
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QUOTE (wee davy @ 17th Apr 2012, 05:45pm) *
By heck, I like this one, john.

An awful lot of women didn't vote before 1929 (the first election they were allowed to use their newly won freedom). Does that mean women didnae count before 1929??

Most people who do not USE their vote, often DELIBERATELY choose not to - and I must say I have a certain amount of sympathy with them - when you look at the choices one has to make at times!
In my view, we need to understand, and INCLUDE these folk - in order to address the problems we so often seem to return to - over and over again


There's a big difference between cant because they are not allowed and wont because they cant be bothered. People should vote if they care about where they live, if you dont use that right then dont complain. Years ago an old boss was doing exactly that, moaning about this or that, iasked who he voted for and he said he didn't, ever. I told to stop moaning because if you cant be arsed to do something about it, then dont complain.He just stood there mouth open..True story that biggrin.gif

BTW you dont have to vote for the big parties, usually there are independants disallusioned with the system trying to change things, they are always gratefull for votes and a vote for them is better than just not being bothered.


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post 17th Apr 2012, 05:59pm
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Some gems from Positive Action in Housing. This is from the Annual Report of 2008.
One of the organisations that they received a grant from was Culture & Sport, Glasgow City Councils arms length company that runs the Museums and Leisure Centres.
Culture & Sport is run by Bridget McConnell, Jack the lads wife, on an annual salary, according to the Evening Times, of a £132,00.
McConnell put the staff of C & S on a wage freeze, yet here she is giving the money saved to P A on H/ing.
Wonder what the employees think of that?
Other organisations giving support were Elderpark HA, North Glasgow HA & Govanhill HA.
No doubt they raised the rents of their tenants to make sure they could give the cash away.
How many house repairs were not carried out due to 'A lack of funds' in those three?
Another example of the misuse of public finds.
Alex

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post 17th Apr 2012, 05:59pm
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What might be their 'true' motivation, then john?
World Domination (were talking about 140 failed asylum seekers here).
Or some sinister plan to enslave the people of Glasgow?

I'd be interested in what you might come up with.

Perhaps they should all be locked up in detention centres, for daring toeir get a fair deal for they're own? Pending of course, some form of trumped up charge of subverting Britain's welfare/human rights systems.

If they are motivated by the need to help people then they'd do just that, paid or not. Now if it's revealed that people at the top are doing quite nicely while going on about poverty and the plight of others while wanting money from the goverment..well some of us might just say put your money where your mouth is and do it for free(as many charity workers do)

People arriving here without visas or right should be detained immediately, they should be processed as quick as possible. If they are found not to suitable for asylum then they should be deported as soon as possible. If that means building detainment centres , all the better. I'm sure there's plenty of unemployed would jump at the chance.


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post 17th Apr 2012, 09:09pm
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"detention centres" - I prefer to call them holding centres. Herewith Dungavel facilities, doesn’t seem to me like the oft referred to "prison" ....

# A separate learning and resource centre, which caters for an extensive range of activities, such as English classes, sewing, arts & crafts, world cuisine (separate kitchen annex), I.T and the internet cafe.
# The centre has a well stocked library where the detainees have access to books, magazines, newspapers, CDs, DVDs and play station games.
# The well equipped gymnasium includes weights, basketball and volleyball.
# There is an outdoor all-weather floodlit pitch.
# There is also a children's separate outdoor play-area.
# There is also a family unit crèche for under-fives
# There are two association rooms on each floor of the accommodation areas which contain satellite TVs and snack-making facilities.
# Several prayer rooms are provided for detainee use, including the building's original chapel which is used as a multi-faith area.
# 24 hour medical care is provided on site. There is a nurse on duty 24hours a day (rota) and a doctor on call 24hrs a day.
# A daily surgery is held which enables all the previous days receptions to be assessed, before/alongside the routine appointments.
# A dentist is appointed to attend on a weekly basis for routine check-ups and appointments, however emergency dental care is provided if at all required, beyond this weekly schedule.
# An optician is also appointed to attend the centre on a fortnightly basis.
# There are several paid work opportunities available including hygiene monitors, grounds officers and servery assistants.
# Care visits and midwives are provided where necessary via outpatient appointments.
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post 18th Apr 2012, 10:10am
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Some recommended fascist improvements/adjustments to 'holding centres'

# A separate learning and resource centre, which caters for an extensive range of activities, such as English classes, sewing, arts & crafts, world cuisine (separate kitchen annex), I.T and the internet cafe.
Provide some slate and some chalk
# The centre has a well stocked library where the detainees have access to books, magazines, newspapers, CDs, DVDs and play station games.
Provision of copious back issues of Big Issue, and some board games
# The well equipped gymnasium includes weights, basketball and volleyball.
Substitute rock lifting sessions in the nearest quarry - under armed guard
# There is an outdoor all-weather floodlit pitch.
See previous recommendation
# There is also a children's separate outdoor play-area.
Indoor tiddliwinks allowed, using old coat buttons
# There is also a family unit crèche for under-fives
Eliminate under 5's
# There are two association rooms on each floor of the accommodation areas which contain satellite TVs and snack-making facilities.
Inmates will be made to wear GPS tags, and deprived of all communication media
No food or refreshment allowed in accomodation area
# Several prayer rooms are provided for detainee use, including the building's original chapel which is used as a multi-faith area.
All forms of worship to be deemed a capital offence
# 24 hour medical care is provided on site. There is a nurse on duty 24hours a day (rota) and a doctor on call 24hrs a day.
A large multi pack of sticking plasters issued on arrival and or/Euthenasia (Choice)
# A daily surgery is held which enables all the previous days receptions to be assessed, before/alongside the routine appointments.
Euthenasia
# A dentist is appointed to attend on a weekly basis for routine check-ups and appointments, however emergency dental care is provided if at all required, beyond this weekly schedule.
Euthenasia
# An optician is also appointed to attend the centre on a fortnightly basis.
Euthenasia
# There are several paid work opportunities available including hygiene monitors, grounds officers and servery assistants.
No paid work allowed to be undertaken (nothing new there then, I'm afraid - already the case)
# Care visits and midwives are provided where necessary via outpatient appointments.
Euthenasia

If in doubt - Euthenasia


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post 18th Apr 2012, 11:38am
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For those of you who think we ought to have a 'fortress Britain', please look carefully at this

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Covered in blood amid a tangled heap of dead mothers and children, 12-year-old Tarana Akbari punctuates the chaotic aftermath of a suicide attack with a piercing scream for help


I know this is extreme - but it is not untypical of what many people throughout the world have to put up with. Now I know its not just OUR problem - but we DO have a responsibility towards our neighbours.

Unless it is PROVEN beyond all shadow of a doubt, we are not sending people to their deaths, we need to err on the side of caution. NOT TREATING PEOPLE LIKE CRIMINALS - unless they HAVE committed a crime?


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Alex Saville
post 18th Apr 2012, 01:01pm
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Didn't we have one of those in London, on a bus?
Didn't we also have three on the London Tubes?
Wonder where Londoners can get asylum?
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post 18th Apr 2012, 02:29pm
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QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 18th Apr 2012, 12:49pm) *
Didn't we have one of those in London, on a bus?
Didn't we also have three on the London Tubes?
Wonder where Londoners can get asylum?

Didn't we also have lots of it during the "Troubles" in N. Ireland? Saw lot's of photo's like this!! Where did they get asylum?
As much as I feel sorry for these people, after all they are just trying to make a better life for themselves & their children, we ( the West) simply cannot be all things to all men!
By the way, enjoying the "back n' forth" of this debate, just thought I would throw in a wee comment from time to time as most of the main points have been covered!
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wee davy
post 18th Apr 2012, 03:23pm
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Actually, suicide bombers never really featured in militant atrocities in N. Ireland A.Mac.
'These people' (oh how I hate that little phrase - covers up so many sins) I assume you mean the failed asylum seekers in Glasgow? None of us know what threat they may have/continue to be under,... are we REALLY saying we (the West) cannot have sufficient compassion for 140 souls, who have (many of them) been here for some time - through nobody's fault but our woeful asylum system?

Alex, I'm not sure what point your trying to make.

Suicide bombers, limb removal specialists, and those who commit other unspeakable crimes, are quite simply more prevalent in some countries, than others.

If you are trying to say, we would be safer if we had less asylum seekers, I think you may well have a point. But for those who have already taken root - surely we can give THEM the benefit of the doubt?
Its hardly in their interests to go blowing up the hands of those who give them succour.


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post 18th Apr 2012, 04:38pm
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It is not just 140 souls, it is hundreds of thousands. Most asylum bids are refused, most of those do not leave these shores. The 140 is a small part of a large problem. Are you willing to have your taxes raised to build a new city every decade to house just these people, because i can guarantee you once the word is out we can expect the flow never to return to a trickle again.

BTW top job bringing facism into the debate, does that mean you think of us as fascists because we disagree with you? If not why even bring it up.

Suicide bombers are not restricted to the 3rd world, and seeing as it's not untypical you would not mind actually letting us know how many suicide bombings happen and how any of 'these people' have been affected by it, it being 'so typical' i expect it would be quite easy to find out.

PS i dont realy think the victims of terrorist bombings care whether the person was a martyr or detonated it by remote/timer.

PPS. People that live in my street are neighbours, not people from 10's,100's or even 1,000's of miles away. They do have neighbours but somehow decide to come here...mmmmmmm wonder why?


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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 18th Apr 2012, 04:26pm) *
It is not just 140 souls, it is hundreds of thousands. Most asylum bids are refused, most of those do not leave these shores. The 140 is a small part of a large problem. Are you willing to have your taxes raised to build a new city every decade to house just these people, because i can guarantee you once the word is out we can expect the flow never to return to a trickle again.

BTW top job bringing facism into the debate, does that mean you think of us as fascists because we disagree with you? If not why even bring it up.

Suicide bombers are not restricted to the 3rd world, and seeing as it's not untypical you would not mind actually letting us know how many suicide bombings happen and how any of 'these people' have been affected by it, it being 'so typical' i expect it would be quite easy to find out.

PS i dont realy think the victims of terrorist bombings care whether the person was a martyr or detonated it by remote/timer.

PPS. People that live in my street are neighbours, not people from 10's,100's or even 1,000's of miles away. They do have neighbours but somehow decide to come here...mmmmmmm wonder why?


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wee davy
post 18th Apr 2012, 05:05pm
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john - stick with the programme mate
we ARE discussing 140 PERSONS in GLASGOW (at least that is what I understand the thread to be about?)

Fascism takes many forms - it can hide under the guise of 'what's best for the country' at the drop of a hat. 1933 and all that.

I am truly sorry to hear your only neighbours live down your street.
I just hope they know your there.

lol A.Mac
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post 18th Apr 2012, 07:13pm
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Well Wee Davy, if you think this starts and stops with the '140' you are naive at best. Any positive outcome for them(in their eyes) will set the precedent for the future.

Stick with the program??? What has fascism, 1933 and suicide bombings got to do with Glasgow. Now if 'these people' set fire to Holyrood ala the Reichstag and we start systematically wiping them out in retaliation, then maybe i could see the point in mentioning it but untill then your mentioning them has as much to do with the topic as 1969 and the man on the moon.


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