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JAGZ1876 Posted Today, 06:07pm
  My goodness Carmella we were almost in agreement there, what's the world coming to? laugh.gif
carmella Posted Today, 04:26pm
  I do take your point Jagz about the Supreme Court in London, the cases I know most about, are Criminal cases, these have always been my interest. I wrote about, and attended many over the years from 1991 onwards, and any subsequent appeals. I happen to think we have the best legal system in the world.

I am pleased to say that criminal cases in Scotland are still heard here in Scotland at the High Court of Justiciary in Edinburgh, thus it remains the highest court in the land for criminal appeals -- the only time Criminal cases are passed to the English Supreme Court is when such cases involve Human Rights issues, otherwise as always they are heard in Edinburgh.

The supreme court is a new feature of the legal system. It started work in 2009 after it was established by the Constitutional Reform Act 2005. It was never something that was ingrained in our judicial system. The truth of the matter is that in essence very few Scottish cases are ever considered in London.

I also saw the item on the news about the Scottish farmer travelling to Europe to coax workers. Our population is very small in Scotland so we will always need migrant workers who are willing to do the work our people are not. It is a fact of life, and there is also nothing new about it. Living in Ayrshire I am of an age when I remember them coming here to do similar jobs from Ireland and farther afield. I hasten to add it was before we joined the EU, for all I know the same can be said in Ayrshire right now, I haven't checked.

JAGZ1876 Posted Today, 11:14am
 
QUOTE (carmella @ 20th Jun 2018, 10:57pm) *
I voted leave because I don't want decisions which matter here to be decided by Europe.

My decision had nothing to do with people from other countries coming here to work - they've been doing that for many years, long before we were members of the EU so it has never bothered me.

The SNPs want the power back to Scotland from Westminster, it is a similar thing, I want the power back from Europe so that when decisions are made by our Justiciary, be it in Scotland or England, Wales or Northern Ireland, that's where the decision remains.

I also voted the way I did because we should not be told how to store, make or sell food. If you do your research you may have discovered that because of the various costs involved in the machinery the EU wanted smaller businesses to have installed on their premises in order to continue to prepare the food they had prepared for many years, without such machinery, causing many businesses to go to the wall - that's another reason I voted to leave.

I could go on. But, it had nothing to do with migrant workers, although I think a lot of the votes to leave in England did have a lot to do with people, from what we saw reported in the media.



I'm glad to hear that you don't object to others coming from abroad to work here Carmella, unfortunately by voting for Leave we have already seen a huge drop in the numbers coming here to pick fruit which has lead one fruit farm owner from up North having to travel to Europe to plead for workers to come over and work on his farm.

As for judicial decisions being made and remaining in the four countries of the UK, that just isn't true as any decisions made in a Scottish court can be appealed and overruled by the UK Supreme court which sits in England.

I'm sorry to hear about any financial hardships small business's suffered but anything that improves food standards must surely be a good thing, but i'm more worried of the implications for Scotland of the power grab of the UK Government of the twenty four areas regarding food when the UK leaves the EU, for them to take control of devolved matters regarding food (and feed) that are currently regulated through EU law, which includes safety, hygiene, compositional standards and labelling, including matters concerning nutrition and health.

You're right about immigration being more an issue in England.
carmella Posted Y'day, 09:57pm
  Jagz you are correct, I didn't vote leave to stop migrant workers coming to the UK, indeed my voting leave had absolutely nothing to do with that.

I voted to leave the EU for very different reasons, had someone bothered to guess why, I would have told them, also given my background which is well known on these boards, I would have thought it fairly obvious (it is to those who know me) that my vote was more to do with legal matters. I wanted the UK to control its own legal system without our appeals being taken to a European court to be decided, thus our own Judiciary decide, as they always used to. Decisions made here were overridden by the EU - to me that's wrong.

I voted leave because I don't want decisions which matter here to be decided by Europe.

My decision had nothing to do with people from other countries coming here to work - they've been doing that for many years, long before we were members of the EU so it has never bothered me.

The SNPs want the power back to Scotland from Westminster, it is a similar thing, I want the power back from Europe so that when decisions are made by our Justiciary, be it in Scotland or England, Wales or Northern Ireland, that's where the decision remains.

I also voted the way I did because we should not be told how to store, make or sell food. If you do your research you may have discovered that because of the various costs involved in the machinery the EU wanted smaller businesses to have installed on their premises in order to continue to prepare the food they had prepared for many years, without such machinery, causing many businesses to go to the wall - that's another reason I voted to leave.

I could go on. But, it had nothing to do with migrant workers, although I think a lot of the votes to leave in England did have a lot to do with people, from what we saw reported in the media.

JAGZ1876 Posted Y'day, 09:11pm
 
QUOTE (carmella @ 20th Jun 2018, 02:01pm) *
Your comments above would indicate that you think I have something against foreign workers. Why do you think I have something against foreign workers?



So you didn't vote Leave to stop EU workers coming over here and taking all our Jobs then?

So why did you vote Leave?
carmella Posted Y'day, 01:01pm
 
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 20th Jun 2018, 08:50am) *
So you want our own "lazy so and so's" to work in tandem with the people who come from "Europe"?




Your comments above would indicate that you think I have something against foreign workers. Why do you think I have something against foreign workers?

I believe that if people in the UK on benefits, have no disabilities, and thus able to work, they should earn their money or work to receive their benefits. Foreign workers come here to pick fruit and work on farms etc., because our lazy lot won't do these jobs, there's nothing new about it, and it is right across the UK. Rather than take jobs, the lazy lot would rather sit at home and collect benefits, than pick fruit on farms, or similar jobs which they think are beneath them, or that they would not be paid enough. Take the population of Scotland, as an example, the population is very small, so it follows that someone has to pick the fruit - any farmer will tell you how much they rely on those who come each season to pick fruit and vegetable, mainly from Europe. If they come from Europe to fill the gap fine, also there's nothing new about migrant workers coming to the UK to do these seasonal jobs, if they want to, they have been doing so for many years.
JAGZ1876 Posted Y'day, 07:50am
 
QUOTE (carmella @ 18th Jun 2018, 10:08pm) *
No you are wrong Jagz. I have not changed my tune as I've always thought this. Scotland does not have a large enough population to do the fruit and veg picking.

I would take all the lazy so and so's who are quite capable of working, and make them earn their benefits by fruit and veg picking, viola problemo solved. If they refuse, stop their benefits.



So you want our own "lazy so and so's" to work in tandem with the people who come from "Europe"?
wombat Posted 19th Jun 2018, 08:27pm
 
QUOTE (carmella @ 18th Jun 2018, 10:08pm) *
I would take all the lazy so and so's who are quite capable of working, and make them earn their benefits by fruit and veg picking, viola problemo solved. If they refuse, stop their benefits.


tongue.gif good luck wie that Carmella. tongue.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s96drQkfpPI
carmella Posted 18th Jun 2018, 09:08pm
  No you are wrong Jagz. I have not changed my tune as I've always thought this. Scotland does not have a large enough population to do the fruit and veg picking.

I would take all the lazy so and so's who are quite capable of working, and make them earn their benefits by fruit and veg picking, viola problemo solved. If they refuse, stop their benefits.
bilbo.s Posted 18th Jun 2018, 03:33pm
  A small price to pay for blue passports! Oh no, we could have had them anyway.
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