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Posted by: Dave Grieve 4th Aug 2012, 07:18am

Its my Grandsons birthday soon and I was thinking to get him another team strip problem is he has 2 Celtic jerseys 1 Real Madrid 1 Portugal 1 Scotland strip plus a Newcastle strip
What to get him that is different i'm thinking, got it thought I, a Partick Thistle strip wearing one of those he would be the only boy in Joburg with it on.
So I go into the Jags website and had a look, quite liked this season Yellow top and tried to order, problem is they have done a deal with Greaves sports who only deliver on the UK mainland!

So its my Grandsons birthday soon and I dont know what to get this fitba mad boy? wink.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 4th Aug 2012, 07:39am

Morning Dave, why don't you buy it from Greaves and have them deliver it to a friend or relatives address in the UK who can then post it on to you, simple's wink.gif

Posted by: ashfield 4th Aug 2012, 07:45am

Or just buy him a cowboy outfit.............

Make up your own ending to that one tongue.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 4th Aug 2012, 09:31am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 4th Aug 2012, 10:00am) *
Or just buy him a cowboy outfit.............

Make up your own ending to that one tongue.gif

Dae they come in team colours wink.gif

Problem with that Jagz is getting the family motivated to do it at my speed.

When I buy from the Celtic Superstore I can pick what I want on monday say and it will be delivered to me by courier on the thursday

Posted by: Jupiter 4th Aug 2012, 10:25am

Just for your info Dave Royal Mail recently made swingeing rises in their charges.
I sell on ebay and the high charges have all but killed things eg a book-price £2.50 .
£2.60 postage UK mainland and for many customers its not worthwhile.
A parcel to SA between £14.08-66 for first 1000gms.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 6th Aug 2012, 08:09am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 4th Aug 2012, 12:40pm) *
Just for your info Dave Royal Mail recently made swingeing rises in their charges.
I sell on ebay and the high charges have all but killed things eg a book-price £2.50 .
£2.60 postage UK mainland and for many customers its not worthwhile.
A parcel to SA between £14.08-66 for first 1000gms.


We never send anything of value by post in SA because it is almost guarenteed to go missing, thats why I have any items bought over the internet delivered by courier, any presents to or from family in Glasgow we normally wait until somebody is going over on holiday and give it to them.

Posted by: tamhickey 6th Aug 2012, 08:42am

Dave, why don't you email Partick Thistle and explain your quandary? They might send you one gratis as you are promoting the team abroad and Thistle could do with more fans.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 6th Aug 2012, 09:24am

QUOTE (tamhickey @ 6th Aug 2012, 09:57am) *
They might send you one gratis


You're having a laugh Tam laugh.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 6th Aug 2012, 09:32am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 6th Aug 2012, 11:39am) *
You're having a laugh Tam laugh.gif


Glad you never said the article to go through the post had no real value laugh.gif

Posted by: wee davy 6th Aug 2012, 10:10am

You can send me £14 and I'll think about buying wan, and sending it oot lol

Posted by: Dave Grieve 7th Aug 2012, 06:56am

QUOTE (wee davy @ 6th Aug 2012, 12:25pm) *
You can send me £14 and I'll think about buying wan, and sending it oot lol


Ah think yur tryin tae sell me a Pirate Thistle jersey, no a Partick Thistle wan.

The Jags website has them on sale at 35 quid ohmy.gif wink.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 7th Aug 2012, 01:45pm

Now that we are back to the real thing will the powers that be carry on with their promise to improve the game in Scotland, first thing I would like to see is a bigger Spl with perhaps even a SPL2 and all the other clubs from the highland league teams to other teams that have tried to join the SFL recently being allowed in to form as many leagues as is needed regional or otherwise.
Why cant we have a similiar system to England where it is possible to drop out of the league and be replaced by one of the smaller clubs

Lastly please, please, please, lets get back to one controlling body looking out for the good of Scottish football.

Posted by: Jim D 7th Aug 2012, 01:50pm

I agree with most of your statement. One body for all of the leagues. This would mean a number being disbanded. I can foresee problems. Many a dummy being spat out of the pram. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 7th Aug 2012, 08:56pm

Great turnout at Ibrox this evening for the League Cup tie against East Fife.

And a nice little earner for the Fifers, managed by ex-gers man Gordon Durie. thumbup.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 8th Aug 2012, 09:39am

http://goalsaim.com/rangers-vs-east-fife-4-0-highlights-2012-scotland-league-cup/

Posted by: irrie 9th Aug 2012, 06:12pm

A heavy defeat for Dundee Utd. 5 0 not good for our co efficient or whatever its called.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Aug 2012, 08:30pm

I was looking forward to the game after watching them easily beating Hibs on Sunday, but they were totally outplayed tonight, no surprise really when you consider the money Dynamo have to spend on players, £15 million on one player alone.

Posted by: Mathieson 9th Aug 2012, 08:48pm

QUOTE (irrie @ 9th Aug 2012, 08:27pm) *
A heavy defeat for Dundee Utd. 5 0 not good for our co efficient or whatever its called.


Yeah, a real blow for the SPL, what a shame.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 10th Aug 2012, 08:37am

QUOTE (irrie @ 9th Aug 2012, 08:27pm) *
A heavy defeat for Dundee Utd. 5 0 not good for our co efficient or whatever its called.


More an indication of how much Scottish football has to change, Surely if a rule was brought in that 75% of a team fielded had to be home grown talent that would not be breaking any rule?

I know it would mainly apply to teams in the SPL but they are the ones importing foreign players anyway

Posted by: Dave Grieve 10th Aug 2012, 12:10pm

Hearts and Motherwell found out their next opponents in the Europa Cup with Hearts coming up against Liverpool, should be a really good tie for all Jamtarts supporterters.

Motherwell have been drawn against Spanish team Levante.

Good luck to both Scottish sides.



Posted by: Dave Grieve 14th Aug 2012, 03:16pm

Dont know if anybodies aware but theres a BIG Glasgow derby on tonight Queens Park v Partick Thistle both teams unbeaten so far. thumbup.gif

Posted by: irrie 14th Aug 2012, 04:39pm

Always aware when the Jags are playing Dave. Cheers

Posted by: Dave Grieve 27th Oct 2012, 05:29am

According to a BBC Scotland story Dundee Utd have reported a net profit of £1.449 million pounds. Their chairman says the SPL is thriving and the absence of Rangers has not had huge effect on Dundee Utd.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Oct 2012, 07:18am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 27th Oct 2012, 06:44am) *
According to a BBC Scotland story Dundee Utd have reported a net profit of £1.449 million pounds. Their chairman says the SPL is thriving and the absence of Rangers has not had huge effect on Dundee Utd.


I don't think his idea of thriving and mine are the same thing Dave, although he is correct about his club not missing The Rangers as unlike when the old firm visit they had a full house when Dundee came calling.

Posted by: Mathieson 30th Oct 2012, 09:40pm

This net profit was reported for the financial year which ended prior to this season commencing so the Rangers factor still counted.
As for this season, Thompson himself admitted that only United got lucky when Dundee came up and that the other teams have not fared as well. Hardly a sign that the SPL is thriving. It is most definitely not.

Posted by: Mathieson 5th Nov 2012, 09:29pm

Further to Dundee United's supposed wealthy status, they are now selling match balls on ebay...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DUNDEE-UNITED-Vs-CELTIC-SIGNED-MATCHBALL-4-9-12-2-2-TANNADICE-PARK-/121013742253




I take it the bid for £100,100 was from a Dees fan. laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 7th Nov 2012, 12:02am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20219448

Posted by: Mathieson 12th Nov 2012, 06:47pm

Ahead of Wednesday's meeting of the SFL and it's member clubs to discuss league reconstruction in Scotland, BBC Scotland gave a sneak preview of some of the proposals this evening.

Under the present proposals, the league would become three divisions, the top division being increased to 16 teams, the second would have 10 teams and the third would have 18 teams, including Rangers and Celtic reserve teams.

For the SPL's part, they can only vote through reconstruction with a 11-1 majority at present and it is believed they are unlikely to consent at this point. The fact is though that a significant proportion of the SPL clubs are in very severe financial difficulty and they may not have too strong a bargaining position.

At any rate, the proposals are as much a first step to opening negotiations but whatever decision is arrived at, it needs to be arrived at soon. Be prepared for a lot of tough horse-trading.

Whatever happens, it is likely to signal the death knell of the SPL, which would fulfill Charles Grreen's prophesy that Rangers would never play in it again.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 13th Nov 2012, 05:45am

Sounds like a start in the right direction but doesnt go far enough, should be a rule enforcing the number of home grown (British) players to be at least 8 on the field.

Posted by: Mathieson 13th Nov 2012, 07:11am

A new financial reality will ensure that happens, whether the clubs want it or not.

Posted by: Doug1 13th Nov 2012, 12:02pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 7th Aug 2012, 02:02pm) *
Now that we are back to the real thing will the powers that be carry on with their promise to improve the game in Scotland, first thing I would like to see is a bigger Spl with perhaps even a SPL2 and all the other clubs from the highland league teams to other teams that have tried to join the SFL recently being allowed in to form as many leagues as is needed regional or otherwise.
Why cant we have a similiar system to England where it is possible to drop out of the league and be replaced by one of the smaller clubs

Lastly please, please, please, lets get back to one controlling body looking out for the good of Scottish football.


Well said Dave. Lets just hope the powers to be can for once all agree to a new more modern structure that will make the game more interesting and please the majority of fans

Posted by: A Mackinnon 13th Nov 2012, 01:14pm

Don't think there is any doubt that Scottish football is going to be revamped, and soon! There will be a number of formats proposed before hopefully they come up with one that will revive Scottish football and bring the fans back.

Also, must fully agree with Dave in that we should have only ONE governing body in charge of all football in Scotland, why a wee country like Scotland needs three is beyond me. I would suggest that it should be called the SFA....end of!!

Posted by: Mathieson 28th Nov 2012, 10:06am

QUOTE
Thompson resigns from SPL board

The prospect of Scotland’s top-flight clubs presenting a united front next week to accelerate a new league construction proposal evaporated yesterday when Dundee United chairman Stephen Thompson resigned from the SPL board citing “professional differences”.

Although Thompson’s decision to step away from the six-man board had no direct link to the plans for two leagues of 12 that will be debated on Monday, the move has prompted fears that the SPL’s bid to revive Scottish football could be 
sidetracked.

Sources close to the United chairman have suggested that his anger over what he sees as heavy-handed treatment by a fellow SPL board member could threaten his presence at the discussions to be held at Hampden on Monday. Others within the SPL have expressed dismay at Thompson’s course of action at such a sensitive time, accusing him of over-reacting regarding a matter that was “not a resignation issue”. ....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20512820

Posted by: Mathieson 5th Dec 2012, 12:32pm

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/aberdeen/204120-spl-clubs-must-find-new-ways-to-raise-cash-without-rangers-warn-experts/


...but the SPL is booming, dontcha know?

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Dec 2012, 11:54am

Don't know how representative this body is but here are there findings. Make of it what you will....

http://scottishfans.org/News/WhatFansWantLeagueReconstruction.aspx

Posted by: mitchell 11th Dec 2012, 06:39pm

Hey Mattie, Brechin are coming along nicely, since they have appointed a new manager.

Posted by: wee davy 12th Dec 2012, 02:57pm

As we don't happen to have an italian Forum, I thought this one was the most appropriate one to post about this hardy fan from Udinese.
The Queen should give him wan ai them honorary knighthoods lol

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/udinese-cheered-serie-match-precisely-one-fan-152055117.html

Posted by: JAGZ1876 12th Dec 2012, 06:22pm

At least he wouldn't have had a big queue for the pie stall or even heard the dreaded "Nae pie's left"

I wonder if the Sampdoria players boo'd him laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 13th Dec 2012, 08:22am

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/sergejus-fedotovas-warns-fans-of-another-do-or-die-situation-at-tynecastle-1-2688734

Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Dec 2012, 10:39am

We may well see the Jambos playing in the Third Division next season.

Posted by: hubert 14th Dec 2012, 01:41pm

SFL blueprint
•16-team Premier Division
•Playing 30 games each
•Two relegation play-off spots
•Two teams automatically relegated

•10-team Championship
•Playing 36 games each
•Two automatic promotion spots
•Two promotion play-off spots
•Two teams automatically relegated
•One relegation play-off spot

•16-team First Division
•Playing 30 games each
•Two automatically promoted
•Three promotion play-off spots
•One pyramid relegation play-off spot

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Dec 2012, 03:26pm

Better than the SPL's 12-12 effort but not much, i would prefer two divisions of 18 playing each other twice (Home and Away) automatic two up two down promotion/relegation, bottom club in second division relegated to be replaced by top non league club.

The existing bottom six of the present SFL go non league but can return through the pyramid system.

This system will give the bigger clubs an opportunity to blood young players against the so called smaller teams eliminating the fear of relegation, it wouldn't be perfect but it beats the present boring system.

Posted by: Mathieson 14th Dec 2012, 05:04pm

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/dundee-united/173251-dundee-united-is-nigerian-slang-for-idiot/ laugh.gif


Decency and board protocol prevents me from repeating what they mean when Nigerians call somebody a complete "Stephen Thompson". wub.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 20th Dec 2012, 11:52pm

Best of luck mate, I hope things ease up in your personal life soon.....

"Annan Athletic: Harry Cairney resigns as manager after six years

Harry Cairney has resigned as manager of Annan Athletic, ending his second spell with the Third Division club after six years.
The 51-year-old cited family and health reasons, as well as recent poor results for his decision.
"In essence, I need to reduce my responsibilities and look after myself better than I am at present," he told Annan's website.
"The only way I can do this is to resign from my post at the club."
Continue reading the main story

At the moment, I am exhausted and need to recharge my batteries

Harry Cairney
Cairney and 10 first-team players had their arrival at Ibrox for their Division Three game against Rangers delayed by a broken down team bus on Tuesday.
And the part-timers' 3-0 defeat by the league leaders - Annan's fifth straight loss - proved to be his final game in charge.
''It is with much sadness but with no regrets that I have decided to resign from my post as manager of Annan Athletic Football Club," said Cairney, who had a previous one-year spell as Annan boss.
"In recent times, and I don't just mean the last month, I have found it very difficult to manage the time I spend with my family, my job and carrying out my duties as Annan Athletic manager.
"As a result I find it very difficult to switch off and relax and this has had a negative effect on my general health and well-being.
"The recent run of bad results has not made this any easier and I find myself worrying about football matters when I should be focusing on other areas of my life.
"At the moment, I am exhausted and need to recharge my batteries."
Cairney first took charge of Annan when they were in the East of Scotland League and has been manager since they were elected to the Scottish Football League in 2008.
They lost in a promotion play-off final to Albion Rovers in 2011 and Cairney also led them to two Challenge Cup semi-finals.
However, they have slipped down to eighth place in Division Three this season.
"As you know, results usually change for the good when a manager departs a club and I am sure this will also be the case at Annan Athletic," Cairney added.
The club have yet to make a statement about the departure. Assistant manager Euan Brydson will take charge of the team for this weekend's match away to East Stirlingshire."

Posted by: Mathieson 22nd Dec 2012, 07:39pm

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aberdeen-are-a-club-that-is-down-in-the-dumps-following-1499274

Posted by: hubert 3rd Jan 2013, 02:56pm

Spiers on Sport: by winter break, SPL has been surprisingly good
Graham Spiers.


QUOTE
Every time I see Terry Butcher I am reminded that, in fact, the Scottish Premier League is not a bad table to feast at.
Butcher, capped 77 times for England, and having played in front of huge crowds in some of the greatest football arenas in the world, can hardly stop raving about SPL life this season.

"I love it," the Inverness Caledonian Thistle manager breathlessly told the BBC. "I think it [the SPL] is a fantastic product."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/opinion/spiers-on-sport-by-winter-break-spl-has-been-surprisingly-good.1357205187

Posted by: Mathieson 3rd Jan 2013, 03:11pm

You have to admire Big Tel's loyalty, not just to his club but to the city of Inverness as a whole. However, I am afraid the big fella is deluding himself. The SPL is nothing but a cakewalk for Celtic and no-one is kidded otherwise. Yes, we all agreed that the SPL has been poor and jaded for some years now but suddenly when it has gone from a 2 horse race to a 1 horse race, it's a roaring success? Come on.

Others note the falling season ticket sales, the reduced match day attendances, and the plummeting Sky viewing figures and call it totally different to Terry.
Sky money, and revenue from other sources, to the SPL has already dropped very significantly and will drop further when any new contract is to be reviewed and the poor viewing figures are taken into account.

Think on this : If it was such a success, would the SPL board be feverishly trying to restructure it?

Posted by: Mathieson 3rd Jan 2013, 03:37pm

... and BTW, where exactly is SPL head Neil Doncaster? And SFA chief executive Rhegan for that matter?

For the first half of 2012 they were in our faces daily with their own peculiar slant on all things fitba, and non-fitba, related issues but for the past 6 months each has been conspicuous by his absence as the Scottish game falters.
I seem to remember they were out there threatening, cajoling, lying, bribing, bullying and blackmailing every single week up until the start of this season. Since then.....nothing.

It is my sincere hope that when the necessary reconstruction comes along these two hand-picked eejits are shown the door - for good.

Posted by: Doug1 3rd Jan 2013, 10:53pm

Football not good in Dingwall right now as County have had to postpone 2 matches due to a seriously waterlogged pitch. One of the games would have been another local Derby with Caly Thistle visiting. I suppose the pitch problem takes our mind of our dismal position in the table sad.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 4th Jan 2013, 12:00pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 3rd Jan 2013, 11:10pm) *
rI suppose the pitch problem takes our mind of our dismal position in the table sad.gif


Chin up Doug, there are lot's of SFL clubs (my own included) who would love to swap County's "Dismal" league position, i know any time we got promotion to the SPL finishing in the spot above the relegated team was always looked upon as a good first season in the top flight.

Just be happy you have the unlucky Dundee in the league to take the fear of relegation away from the Staggies, so enjoy yourself thumbup.gif

Posted by: Doug1 4th Jan 2013, 07:31pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 3rd Jan 2013, 03:28pm) *
You have to admire Big Tel's loyalty, not just to his club but to the city of Inverness as a whole. However, I am afraid the big fella is deluding himself. The SPL is nothing but a cakewalk for Celtic and no-one is kidded otherwise. Yes, we all agreed that the SPL has been poor and jaded for some years now but suddenly when it has gone from a 2 horse race to a 1 horse race, it's a roaring success? Come on.

Others note the falling season ticket sales, the reduced match day attendances, and the plummeting Sky viewing figures and call it totally different to Terry.
Sky money, and revenue from other sources, to the SPL has already dropped very significantly and will drop further when any new contract is to be reviewed and the poor viewing figures are taken into account.

Think on this : If it was such a success, would the SPL board be feverishly trying to restructure it?


There is unfortunately a lot in what you say Mathy. I was watching highlights of some of the SPL games recently and was quite dismayed at the poor attendances at matches at which one would have expected a good crowd. Disappointing

Posted by: Mathieson 6th Jan 2013, 03:13pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 4th Jan 2013, 08:48pm) *
There is unfortunately a lot in what you say Mathy. I was watching highlights of some of the SPL games recently and was quite dismayed at the poor attendances at matches at which one would have expected a good crowd. Disappointing


Of course there's a lot in what I say Doug1. No-one need take my word for it (and they usually don't on here laugh.gif ) as anyone who doubts it need only look at the facts in front of their eyes - once they've removed their heads from the sand that is.
However, there is a big propaganda campaign being waged by the SPL and their cohorts in the media (especially within BBC Scotland) to have the public believe that all is OK. It's not, it's very far from it and if something doesn't happen soon it will be too late, if it isn't already.

Posted by: hubert 7th Jan 2013, 03:31pm

Monday 7 January 2013
Longmuir: plan 'is convoluted and complicated for fans'

Michael Grant

Chief football writer.

David Longmuir, the chief executive of the Scottish Football League, has admitted that a major problem with the proposed change to three divisions of 12, 12 and 18 teams will be overcoming supporters' resistance to its complicated mid-season split.

David Longmuir dismissed suggestions Rangers would be fast-tracked.

Under the plan, which has found increasing favour among Scottish Premier League and SFL clubs, the two top divisions of 12 would split into three mini-leagues of eight after 22 games. The top eight would then play for the title and European places, the middle eight would play to decide whether they started the next season among the leading 12 clubs, and the bottom eight would play to avoid relegation to the following season's third tier of 18.

Another meeting of a working group on league reconstruction will be held tomorrow – the third in a month – and a consensus is forming that the SPL's 12-12-18 proposal is preferable to the SFL's alternative of three divisions of 16-10-16.

The change could be in place for next season under a single, merged league body with a new model for income distribution, play-offs and a pyramid structure. But supporters have frequently called for a top tier of at least 16 teams and those who feel they have been ignored are likely to be deeply resistant to leagues of 12 with a messy mid-season split.

"I think the major weakness in a top league of 16 is the lack of games," Longmuir told Herald Sport, alluding to a campaign of only 30 league games. "And the two 12s into three eights has a major weakness in that it is convoluted and complicated for fans to engage with. There is no perfect solution. I think the biggest issue will be getting fans to engage with it. A league of 16 is easy to engage with, it's a straightforward and simple formula, 15 games at home and 15 away.

"We're looking at the merits of both and understanding the pitfalls of both, but we're putting that aside and recognising there are four big things that everyone in the room is agreed on: one league body, play-offs and pyramid, better distribution of wealth and a governance model that is not stymied by what is effectively a two-club veto.

"We would struggle to get a 16-team top league because of the lack of games but it could be possible to sell the other idea."

Longmuir dismissed claims that league reconstruction is being rushed through in order to minimise the amount of time Rangers spend below the top flight: "Neither proposal would 'fast-track' Rangers. A 16-10-16 would take Rangers the same amount of time to get to the top league as they would in the current structure. With the 12-12-18, even if it was in place next season, Rangers would not be in that top division."

Posted by: Mathieson 8th Jan 2013, 06:47pm

Swiss tell Scots your proposed new setup doesn't work

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SWISS chiefs last night urged Scottish football not to adopt the league system they ditched 10 years ago.

The Alpine nation has since flourished with top-flight attendances rising by 50 per cent after reverting back to a 10-team set up.

But despite loud warnings against change Scotland’s two main league bodies, the SPL and the SFL, are on the verge of rubber-stamping a switch to the 12-12-18 format previously used in Switzerland and Austria.

The new structure would mean clubs in the top two leagues playing 22 matches before splitting into a top, middle and bottom eight.

The top eight would play for the title, the middle lot would contest promotion and relegation spots in and out of the top league while the bottom eight would fight to avoid dropping to the third tier.

Switzerland used the model for 15 years, from 1988 to 2003, but after attendances fell through the floor and sponsorship and television revenue dipped they voted for change.

Swiss League spokesman Philippe Guggisberg said: “I don’t think there is an ideal solution but what we can say is there are now more spectators and the revenue from sponsors and television is going up.

“That would suggest we are doing something right because success is all about numbers. Historians might have another opinion but this is certainly the best way forward.

Philippe Guggisberg is happy with the Swiss set-up
“In the old league average attendances were 7000-8000, now they are over 12,000. That is a 50 per cent increase.

“We are certainly stronger than 10 years ago and the package has helped make us more successful.”

Switzerland faces the same problems as Scotland given they do not have the strength in depth to increase the size of their top flight to 16 or 18 teams. And while two leagues of 12 with an 8-8-8 split was viewed as a compromise, sponsors were not keen to be associated with the bottom 16 after the split.

Guggisberg said: “We changed to a league of 10 in 2003 because the second part of the championship didn’t work.

Rangers could start out at bottom all over again if new Scottish league changes come into play next season
“It was very complicated for television and sponsors who didn’t want to be associated with any meaningless matches. It is much easier to have two separate divisions.

“There are still ongoing discussions here about league reconstruction and there are a number of supporters who would like to revert to the old system.

“But the current set-up has been in operation for 10 years now and I think the majority are in favour of it.”

The Swiss initially changed to a 10-team Premier Division with a 16-team second tier. However, last season they moved to a 10-10 set-up and regionalised the remainder of the lower leagues.

Three years ago they held a referendum about re-introducing the split in a bid to create more drama but it was rejected. Guggisberg said: “The second part of the season, with eight clubs playing for the title, was as successful as the current system.

“But fans were not turning up in the same numbers, especially at the start of the season or when the games didn’t matter as much.

“There can be more excitement with a split but given we are now among the top 10 in Europe when it comes to attendances it would be a backward step to revert back to the old formula.”

Meanwhile, Geoff Ellis, better known as the man who stages T in the Park and even managed to bring the Pope to Glasgow, admits selling out Scottish football may be a stretch too far even for his powers.

T in the Park promoter Geoff Ellis says radical changes are needed

The Manchester City fan insists allowing alcohol to be sold in stadiums would be a good start – as well as a rethink on ticket pricing. He said: “It’s time to bring controlled alcohol licences into football again. People will always have a drink before games so they should be allowed to do it at the grounds as is the case in England.

“There isn’t as much trouble at football now compared to the 60s and 70s. If fans were allowed to have a few pints in the concourses it would mean they wouldn’t have to rush out of the pubs and be running into the grounds late.

“English stadiums also serve alcohol after the final whistle and it allows fans time to disperse while they have a pint and talk over the game.

“People can get drunk anywhere but the licence to serve alcohol is controlled in grounds. We had to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to serve alcohol at sporting venues hosting concerts. When I first started doing them in Scotland the stadiums were dry venues.

“I had Robbie Williams coming to Hampden but how was I supposed to get fans into the ground early?

“We didn’t want crushes but knew there would be a late rush from people leaving pubs or drinking outside with their own booze. Eventually the council granted us a license.

“Most football hooliganism wasn’t about alcohol anyway, it was about organised fighting. It’s about making the event a more enjoyable occasion.”

Ellis has been the driving force for one of world’s largest music festivals in his role as managing director with
DF concerts and events and has booked top talents such as Rihanna, AC/DC and Take That.

He’s adamant football must put fans first when weighing up the cost of a ticket in an age when the costs of attending a game are adding up.

He said: “Prices for any form of entertainment be it football, music or theatre need to be considered very carefully. The golden rule on ticket pricing needs to be affordability. You can’t afford to alienate your core audience.

“We launched T in the Park at a time when there weren’t a lot of festivals on in the United Kingdom. We could have charged more as there was only Glastonbury and Reading Festivals in our market but if we had done that we wouldn’t have gained the long-term loyalty from our audience.

“These fans have stayed with us through hail, rain and shine. It’s about looking at the affordability and not just making hay while the sun shines.

“You can charge top dollar for glamour games but how do you get fans to come out on a wet Wednesday night for a game against a run-of-the-mill side.

“People in the game need to look at the whole package. It’s not just the price of the ticket, it’s everything else which goes with it – the car parking, a pie and maybe a few pints before the game.

“Then there’s the programme and the cost of taking your kids to a match. It’s a challenge to balance all these costs.”

Scottish football reconstruction moves closer with Hampden summit despite SFL source claiming SPL is ignoring lower league
Ellis has also urged Scottish football to throw open its doors to the kids. He said: “There’s no point in just making the rubbish games discounted as you could put a child off football for life.

“It should be the big games they get allowed into and they could become hooked on it.

“I have seen it with my own children who now go to Hampden to watch Scotland and they love it.

“It’s about getting the kids into the clubs and then they will pester their parents to take them to other games.

“I see clubs posting attendance figures which indicate a full house when in reality there are a huge amount of no shows.

“People have bought season tickets but can’t afford to go to every game. They have paid for a ticket but the cost of everything adds up.”

Posted by: bilbo.s 8th Jan 2013, 07:02pm

“I have seen it with my own children who now go to Hampden to watch Scotland and they love it.

Has this man been reported to the SSPCC? laugh.gif

Posted by: hubert 8th Jan 2013, 07:53pm

SPL and SFL agree new 12-12-18 league structure 3 hours ago.

Both Scottish league bodies have agreed in principle to a restructuring plan that would see the organisations merge in a 12-12-18 structure.

Spiers on Sport: this 12-12-18 ‘ugly duckling’ looks good to me 2 hours ago

It is a calculated risk being taken by the SPL/SFA to advocate a new 12-12-18 structure for league.


Posted by: Mathieson 8th Jan 2013, 09:57pm

LOL! So "Britney" Speirs likes it? If ever I needed confirmation it is a pile of poo! laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 8th Jan 2013, 10:29pm

So the SPL get their own way, keeping the same old boring tired format that has had the fans drifting away from the game for years, we had a chance to make a change for the better, but like the national team the blazers have missed a gaping open goal, the same old same old.

I had hoped David Longmuir would have tried to put the fans opinions first, but it looks like he's no better than Reagan and Doncaster.

My mind goes back to the Summer when Reagan said "Scottish football will die a slow lingering death and there's nothing i can do about it.", never a truer word, RIP Scottish football.

Posted by: Dylan 8th Jan 2013, 10:29pm

The first 12 split into 2 leagues of 6

The second 12 split into 4 leagues of 3.

The 18 split into 3 leagues of 6.

They are still working on the second half of the season !!

Posted by: hubert 9th Jan 2013, 03:03am

Que sera, sera,
Whatever will be, will be;
The future's not ours to see.
Que sera, sera,
What will be, will be. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 9th Jan 2013, 07:20am

The only way for the ordinary fan who pays to see a game not happy with the proposed changes is to get organised and threaten a boycot if this new set up goes ahead.

If the clubs are worried now about falling attendances they will be a whole sight more worried if the paying customer demanded to be heard

Posted by: hubert 9th Jan 2013, 01:44pm

majorityapproval from the SFL clubs – 23 out of the 30 clubs.

Fans’ view: Supporters will need convincing – Goodwin

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Supporters’ chief Paul Goodwin last night welcomed yesterday’s groundbreaking progress in restructuring Scottish football, but believes the game’s power-brokers face a challenge in winning over the fans.

Goodwin, head of the government-backed Supporters Direct (SD) Scotland, has been involved in discussions with the SFA, SPL and SFL in recent weeks and SD Scotland chair Neil Bone is due back at Hampden today for further talks on the way forward.

However, with an agreement on the principles of restructuring, including a merger of both the SPL and SFL, the consensus reached yesterday is being viewed as a step forward by Goodwin as Scottish football prepares itself for what SFA chief executive Stewart Regan described as a “new dawn”.


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/supporters-direct-chief-paul-goodwin-1453336

Posted by: hubert 9th Jan 2013, 02:09pm

Wednesday 9 January 2013

Regan hails 'new dawn' but Rangers fail to see sunny side of league reconstruction. laugh.gif

QUOTE
SCOTTISH football's administrators last night hailed a landmark tripartite deal on league reconstruction as a "new dawn" for the national game.

After more than four hours of talks at Hampden, Stewart Regan, the chief executive of the Scottish Football Association, Neil Doncaster, his counterpart at the Scottish Premier League, and David Longmuir, of the Scottish Football League, presented a united front in support of a full-blown league merger and 12-12-18 structure, with a pyramid system below it, promising the biggest shake-up to Scottish football since the formation of the SPL in 1998.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/regan-hails-new-dawn-but-rangers-fail-to-see-sunny-side-of-league-reconstruction.19860417

Posted by: Tennscot 9th Jan 2013, 02:54pm

Swiss &Austrians gave up the " New?? setup" Many years ago. Just goes to show what a bunch of self serving wasters run Scottish Football. angry.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Jan 2013, 05:43pm

QUOTE (Tennscot @ 9th Jan 2013, 03:11pm) *
Just goes to show what a bunch of self serving wasters run Scottish Football. angry.gif


And they've been getting away with it since 1998 sad.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 9th Jan 2013, 07:05pm

I have yet to meet a fitba fan, irrespctive of which club he/she supports, who approves of this plan.
I was under the impression though that the clubs "had to listen to fans as they are the lifeblood of the game". At least that's what we were assured last year. Amazing how quickly that lofty ideal disappeared once the hucksters and connivers decided it didn't sit well with their newest agenda.

Also disappointing to see that David Longmuir was the one who actually broke the news whilst Doncaster and Rhegan kept their heads down for a couple of extra days. Even more amazing that Longmuir was quoted as saying he has spoken to nine of his clubs and still had to speak to the other twenty-one. Shouldn't he have spoken to all of his clubs to at least sound them out before publicly throwing his weight behind these rather controversial proposals?
This looks like it's being rushed through with indecent haste - in my opinion, and fitba looks sure to be the loser. Already a significant number of games this season have been rendered meaningless with the news. How are clubs to keep players and fans motivated in the five months to the end of the season when it matters not a jot what happens from now till then. It is difficult enough getting punters to attend competitive matches but now all of the remaining matches in SFL3 are basically friendlies.
Finally, it's OK for the SPL clubs to claim that a greater share of their money will flow down to the lower leagues. How is that to be achieved when currently every penny is a prisoner to the SPL clubs, many of whom are on their uppers? Where is this money to come from?
I fear the Scottish game is well and truly a bogey.

Posted by: Dylan 9th Jan 2013, 08:40pm

Lewell said on the News tonight he is happy with the new proposed set up.

He did not say if Celtic Fans were but I suspect they will now close ranks.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 10th Jan 2013, 05:38am

This is a topic that seems to have united all the various club supporters on the board in opposition to the changes, if thats an indication of the mainstream supporters views theres a chance it wont happen

Posted by: irrie 10th Jan 2013, 08:05am

Sorry Dave but the fans opinion clearly counts for nothing.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 10th Jan 2013, 09:30am

When did it ever.

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Jan 2013, 12:28pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Jan 2013, 09:57pm) *
Lewell said on the News tonight he is happy with the new proposed set up.

He did not say if Celtic Fans were but I suspect they will now close ranks.


Of course he is happy with it! It was him and his hand-picked corrupt cabal who dreamt it up! laugh.gif

His SPL stooges have well and truly set out their stalls and are now obliged to merely follow his lead and the promise of more cash managed to lure in some of the kiddy-on big clubs from SFL1 like the Pars, the Thistle and the Rovers (whatever happened to the much-heralded morals of the exotically named Turnbull Hutton, chairman of Raith Rovers laugh.gif )

Fan opinion (and fan usefulness) ended when they "demanded" and got their SPL chairmen to kick Rangers out the SPL. They will not be so much as considered again, unless their opinions once again coincide with a new Lawwell agenda.

It would be great if the new proposals did work as the game sadly needs a lift but, as one who actually pays to attend matches, I fear the opposite will happen and the game will continue down the slippery slope to everybody's detriment.

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Jan 2013, 03:53pm

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/12-12-18-perhaps-it-only-adds-up-for-those-who-will-be-in-the-top-tier.19875698?

IF the chairmen and owners of Scotland's leading clubs feel bruised and resentful about the overwhelmingly negative reaction to their latest plans for league reconstruction, they have no-one to blame but themselves.
They have been co-authors of their own bad press over the evolution of three divisions of 12, 12 and 18 as the way ahead. The members of the Scottish Premier League and Scottish Football League are almost at the point of voting it through before uttering a word to supporters about why they think it is the best idea.
The reaction to 12-12-18 has been a self-inflicted public relations disaster, and a predictable one. Any widespread survey of supporters' views always coughs up the conclusion that they want a top division of at least 16 clubs. Clubs give every impression of paying lip service to these opinion polls while privately finding them utterly irrelevant.....

Posted by: Dave Grieve 11th Jan 2013, 05:50am

Think I've solved Charlie, Lawell and Huberts problem about how to get Celtic and Rangers out of Scottish football and into the English leagues.

Join the Welsh FA work their way up their various minor leagues and then apply to join the lower tier of the English league, might take a few years but if Cardiff and Swansea can do it so can they. laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th Jan 2013, 07:24am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 11th Jan 2013, 06:07am) *
Think I've solved Charlie, Lawell and Huberts problem about how to get Celtic and Rangers out of Scottish football and into the English leagues.

Join the Welsh FA work their way up their various minor leagues and then apply to join the lower tier of the English league, might take a few years but if Cardiff and Swansea can do it so can they. laugh.gif



As much as i'd like to see Celtic and The Rangers out of Scottish football Dave this is a total non starter, the winners of the Welsh league do not get admitted to the English league as they are totally separate entities.

The reason Cardiff and Swansea, (as indeed Wrexham and Newport were before losing English league status) are, is that there was no Welsh league at the time they joined the English league, and when the Welsh league formed the Welsh clubs playing in England opted to remain in the English league.

It's a bit like when Scottish clubs (Queens Pk, Rangers, Hearts, Third Lanark, Renton and even the Jags among others) were invited to take part in the English FA cup for many seasons until the SFA called a halt insisting that they only play in the Scottish FA cup.

But rest assured Dave, if i come across a way for the OF to leave i will be straight on the phone to Charlie and Peter pronto tongue.gif




Posted by: Mathieson 11th Jan 2013, 09:54am

Although I share Green's frustration at the antics of the balloons presently running (or should that be "ruining") Scottish fitba, he needs to avoid these knee-jerk reactions and seek to help make improvements from within.
Rangers will be a force in Scottish football long after the names of Rhegan and Doncaster are well and truly consigned to the bin.
Unfortunately, these clowns appeared to view reconstruction as yet another opportunity for a petty slap in the face to the biggest club - and the biggest support - in the country.
I think only in Scotland would the media give such an easy ride to an administration which jealously pours such scorn on the single biggest block of paying fans.


And Rhegan is apparently in the papers today saying he's doing a grand job! laugh.gif

Posted by: Dylan 11th Jan 2013, 11:13am

I await Jim Traynor's response !!

Posted by: hubert 11th Jan 2013, 12:17pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 11th Jan 2013, 07:07am) *
Think I've solved Charlie, Lawell and Huberts problem about how to get Celtic and Rangers out of Scottish football and into the English leagues.

Join the Welsh FA work their way up their various minor leagues and then apply to join the lower tier of the English league, might take a few years but if Cardiff and Swansea can do it so can they. laugh.gif

Well Dave I see you are doing me an injustice, for many years I have said Celtic should leave Scottish fitba, never and I mean never have at anytime mentioned Rangers to leave, because frankly I could care less where Rangers end up, which in essence is bygone now, because the original Rangers fitba team no longer exists.
Celtic leaving Scotland has never been my problem either, I am a fan of Celtic fitba club, and have nothing in anyway to do with where they would go if they leave. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 13th Jan 2013, 01:55pm

QUOTE (hubert @ 11th Jan 2013, 01:34pm) *
Well Dave I see you are doing me an injustice, for many years I have said Celtic should leave Scottish fitba, never and I mean never have at anytime mentioned Rangers to leave, because frankly I could care less where Rangers end up.....



Which is presumably why you went to the bother of posting elsewhere on the topic of Rangers leaving/not leaving Scotland. LOL! laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 13th Jan 2013, 02:17pm

QUOTE (irrie @ 10th Jan 2013, 09:22am) *
Sorry Dave but the fans opinion clearly counts for nothing.


Hi irrie, may I ask what is the word among Thistle fans re these reconstruction proposals?
In the main, are Thistle fans in support, or are they against?

If you are for the proposals, what is it about them that you find attractive? Do you think any of the promises, including extra cash flowing down from the SPL to the SFL clubs, will be kept?

If, on the other hand, Thistle fans are against, what are they doing about it? Are they lobbying the club with their reasons? If so, has there been any feedback yet?

I am genuinely interested to know.

I understand that Jim McInally, boss of Peterhead is dead set against it as he sees it as being grossly unfair, and the Dumbarton Supporters' Trust is also against, and have already made their feelings know to their board.

Posted by: Mathieson 13th Jan 2013, 02:31pm

TWO SPL chairmen have warned that top-flight approval for Scottish football’s new dawn is far from a done deal.
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The 12-12-18 proposal presented by the three ruling bodies on Tuesday will be voted on by the SPL and the SFL in separate meetings at the end of the month.

But despite the impression being given that the top league’s backing is a cert, St Mirren’s Stewart Gilmour and Dundee United owner Stephen Thompson have revealed there are still fears and at least four dissenting voices.

So there is no guarantee the plan will get the 11-1 majority it needs from SPL clubs on January 28.

Thompson is also deeply concerned at the ruling bodies rushing the deal through without giving time to consult the fans, who were given a say by clubs on the Rangers case in the summer.

And he believes it’s because they fear getting an answer they don’t want to hear.

Gilmour told MailSport: “Contrary to popular belief, the clubs are not 100 per cent behind this. What we voted on unanimously before was to take it to another level, to fully explore it – no more than that.

“We have all still to vote on whether we agree to it and I know a few of us feel that exploration is a long way from being done.

“We know there’s no perfect system – that’s why everyone has to compromise somewhere along the way.

“We have to find the best plan we can but it has to be right and a lot of questions remain to be answered over the next few weeks.”

Thompson echoed Gilmour’s fears and insisted he will do nothing without consulting his support.

He said: “I’m not sure they (the plans) will go through.

“It only takes two clubs to block this and I know of four who are less than happy with the proposal as it stands.

“Also what happened to clubs consulting their fans, as they did last summer when it suited them?

“Is it because they don’t want to know the answer this time?

“We will again be discussing it with our trust and our Supporters Federation. We can’t just consult them when it suits.”

Gilmour – who along with Ross County chiefs initially favoured a move to three leagues of 14 with play-offs – has major concerns about the lack of flesh on the bones of the current proposals. And he is fighting for the inclusion of stringent financial clauses to keep clubs from spending money they don’t have.

The St Mirren chief said: “Some people seem to think this can be done by next season.

“But I wonder whether that’s just a chief executive or two wanting it on their CV.

“It very much depends on when the decision is reached. One point I’ve been making heavily is my concern for the middle eight and the temptation there could be for clubs to gamble and lose when it comes to getting into the top 12.

“I want to see a strict formula in place for wages to ensure clubs can’t or won’t go down the road a few have been down before.

“The game is still toxic from the problems experienced by the likes of Rangers, Hearts and Dunfermline and the last thing I want to see is another three or four clubs experiencing that.

“We need safeguards to stop that from happening.”

Gilmour also revealed that, contrary to popular belief, there will still be a parachute payment to any team which goes down from the Premiership into the middle eight and doesn’t make it straight back up.

He said: “At the moment the parachute payment is £20,000.

“The original intention of that was to allow teams to downsize, maybe pay-off players whose contracts they could no longer afford, things like that.

“Not every team used it that way. Now if a club goes down into the bottom eight, and finishes outside the top four, they will get £200,000 under the proposals.

“However, it’s the equivalent of an interest-free loan for these teams because it will be paid back as soon as they get back into the top division.

“It will come off their income, which to be fair, will greatly exceed that figure anyway.”


Posted by: Dimairt 13th Jan 2013, 04:28pm

This Jags fan isn't in favour of the current proposals, as far as I understand them that is, as they're far from clear. This isn't the reorganization proposed by Henry McLeish, is it?
I don't like the idea of a league-split, it's ridiculous and we've had it before. The top league is probably too small, though where we're to find enough decent teams to make up a 16 team competition is beyond me. The present jump from First to SPL has been too much for Dundee this year: 3 wins from 21 games to date.
We've too many clubs -40 in a population of 5 million - with attendances falling across the board. As with school, hospitals and libraries for example , no-one wants their local team to go but... no-one wants to go to support their local team. Tho Old Firm dominance with its attendant stranglehold on sponsorship, tv money,press and tv coverage doesn't help but people can't be forced to go to Cliftonhill. (No one deserves that!)
As in politics, money and power tend to centralise. As a wee boy in the '50s, going to Firhilll and Ibrox ( Dad was a Gers man ) Scottish Football was very competitive, have a look at the stats in the Wee Red Book.
Scottish Cup - wins for Motherwell, St. Mirren and Falkirk, won twice by Clyde
League Cup - wins for Dundee x2 , East Fife, the Jags lost in three finals
League - won twice by Hibs and Hearts
Our country has changed, it shouldn't be a surprise that our football has too - it's how we address that change that matters and seems beyond us at the moment. Every club has their own interests at heart - first. Who will be big enough to put the game first?
Sorry guys, no answers here. Look forward to your comments.

Durachdan,

Eddy


Posted by: Dimairt 13th Jan 2013, 05:58pm

Forgot to say that, whatever you may think of Rangers, cutting them out of discussions on the basis that they are an "associate club" is plain silly.

Durachdan,

Eddy

Posted by: Ossie 13th Jan 2013, 07:16pm

Speaking as someone who has I suppose been spoiled in that I'm of a generation who was priviliged to watch truly great players in the flesh . Jimmy Johnstone, Willie Henderson , Slim Jim Baxter, Bobby Murdoch are just some of the names which come to mind . Wasn't just about Celtic and Rangers though !

How about some of these guys ? Alan Gilzean and Ian Ure at Dundee, the Callachan brothers at Dunfermline. Croppley, Marinello Brownlie, Stanton at Hibs . Connolly and Hamilton at St Johnstone. Rough, Rae, Mc Quade , Wee John Flannigan, Ronnie Glavin all at Thistle .The superb teams and individual players produced by Aberdeen and Dundee Utd . I could go on all day .

Thing is though, I seriously doubt if those days will ever return , no matter how much tinkering we indulge in . There are a great many folk who are completely disenchanted with football .

Reasons ? Probably as varied as the folk who've walked away . Too much greed ? Too much interference to suit TV ? Cheesed off with the baggage some morons attach to the beautiful game ?

Again we could go on all day . Could just be that for an awful lot of people the game is no longer attractive .

Ossie


Posted by: bilbo.s 13th Jan 2013, 07:26pm

sad.gif thumbup:

Posted by: Mathieson 13th Jan 2013, 07:34pm

QUOTE (Dimairt @ 13th Jan 2013, 07:15pm) *
Forgot to say that, whatever you may think of Rangers, cutting them out of discussions on the basis that they are an "associate club" is plain silly.

Durachdan,

Eddy


The fact that the only time any of the proposers of this reconstruction have deemed to mention Rangers, the best supported club in the land by far, is to say that "Rangers will not be fast-tracked into the top flight".
No-one is expecting Rangers to be fast-tracked, but it does sort of betray the agenda that Rhegan and Co are obviously working to that they feel the need to always say that on an almost daily basis.

Anyway, that remains a side issue for the most part. Does anyone have anything to say with respect to what their club will do when it comes to a vote?
Any evidence of fans' group pressure on their clubs (for or against)?
I genuinely haven't heard from anyone (outside of the SFA/SPL cabal or their sympathisers/apologists in the press) saying anything positive about the proposed measures so am at a loss as to how the chairmen can vote to accept them.

Posted by: Dimairt 13th Jan 2013, 09:18pm

[quote name='Ossie' date='13th Jan 2013, 08:33pm' post='3604059']
Speaking as someone who has I suppose been spoiled in that I'm of a generation who was priviliged to watch truly great players in the flesh . Jimmy Johnstone, Willie Henderson , Slim Jim Baxter, Bobby Murdoch are just some of the names which come to mind . Wasn't just about Celtic and Rangers though !

How about some of these guys ? Alan Gilzean and Ian Ure at Dundee, the Callachan brothers at Dunfermline. Croppley, Marinello Brownlie, Stanton at Hibs . Connolly and Hamilton at St Johnstone. Rough, Rae, Mc Quade , Wee John Flannigan, Ronnie Glavin all at Thistle .The superb teams and individual players produced by Aberdeen and Dundee Utd . I could go on all day ."

Spot on Ossie. In the days before Sky Sport and football on almost every night of the week, we would go to games not just to support our teams but to see the players you read and heard about. You wanted to see if they were as good as they were made out to be and if your defenders or forwards could match them and if they did, well.
Though it's rare to get that experience now, I went to see Scotland v Spain a few years ago just to see Torres and was disappointed that he was injured. I did see though a great defender/midfielder that night in Puyol - he can come to Firhill anytime.
I often go to European games - I've been to see Rangers, Celtic, Motherwell and St Mirren - and have to say that the opposition often get dogs' abuse from Scottish fans, especially the big names. We'd never have done that.
You're also right to say that there are lots of reasons why people have walked away, for me the most obvious is the choice available to youngsters these days.

Durachdan,

Eddy


Posted by: JAGZ1876 13th Jan 2013, 09:23pm

QUOTE (Ossie @ 13th Jan 2013, 07:33pm) *
There are a great many folk who are completely disenchanted with football .



And i'm one of them Ossie, we had a great chance to re-invent Scottish football and if this 12 12 18 B*****K's get's voted through i think i'll call it a day and hang the scarf up, and like you i have had the privilege of seeing the greats play, and maybe that's part of the problem, even some of the so called top players of today would be very lucky to get picked to carry the great teams of the pasts hampers off the bus.

Posted by: Ossie 13th Jan 2013, 11:04pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Jan 2013, 09:40pm) *
And i'm one of them Ossie, we had a great chance to re-invent Scottish football and if this 12 12 18 B*****K's get's voted through i think i'll call it a day and hang the scarf up, and like you i have had the privilege of seeing the greats play, and maybe that's part of the problem, even some of the so called top players of today would be very lucky to get picked to carry the great teams of the pasts hampers off the bus.


Can't find much to disagree with there JAGS . Never mind you've got Beith Juniors on your doorstep . Do they ever play Kilbirnie Ladeside or are they in different leagues ? How "competitive" would that be ?

Being a Govanite I prefer the finer things in life . C'mon The Bens......or should it be The Ants ?. Ach it's a privilege either way .

Ossie.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Jan 2013, 09:49am

QUOTE (Ossie @ 13th Jan 2013, 11:21pm) *
Can't find much to disagree with there JAGS . Never mind you've got Beith Juniors on your doorstep . Do they ever play Kilbirnie Ladeside or are they in different leagues ? How "competitive" would that be ?

Being a Govanite I prefer the finer things in life . C'mon The Bens......or should it be The Ants ?. Ach it's a privilege either way .

Ossie.



Yes they do still play each other Ossie, unfortunately due to crowd trouble at these matches their last match had to be played behind closed doors at Petershill's ground, some Ayrshire junior fixtures like Beith/Kilbirnie, Cumnock/Auchenleck make the old Old Firm games look like Vicars tea party's laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 14th Jan 2013, 07:51pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Jan 2013, 10:40pm) *
..I think i'll call it a day and hang the scarf up,..



Oh, my aching sides! laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 15th Jan 2013, 08:12pm

Chris Graham is an excellent young blogger who talks a lot of sense about football and football related matters. He is a Rangers man so I admit I am biased, whilst accepting that he will not be to the liking of many on here. However, take a few minutes to read what he has to say as he does raise a lot of pertinent points regarding the current Rhegan/Doncaster/Lawwell reconstruction plans.

"So, about a week after were we told that 12, 12, 18 restructuring of Scottish football had been widely agreed by the SPL and SFL clubs, the cracks are already starting to show. Several clubs, including Rangers, have come out and stated their opposition to the plan and now even the SPL teams are starting to break ranks with Ross County and St Mirren the first to express a preference for the 14, 14, 14 plan proposed by Rangers. SFL clubs are saying that once again they have not been properly consulted and we have the absurd spectacle of the largest club in the country not being invited to discussions on reconstruction.

One wonders how the SPL and SFA have managed to discuss this at such length and still make such a complete mess of it - again. It seems their working groups just don't work, along with virtually every other aspect of these failed organisations. So let's take a look at 12, 12, 18 and see if we can prompt any of its supporters into answering some simple questions, which must surely have come up during their 'high level' discussions.

First let's address the idea of splitting the top two leagues of twelve into three groups of eight after 22 matches. It's worth remembering that this system has been tried in Austria and was a complete failure. The Austrian authorities, apart from calling it "boring" when asked about it, made it clear that one reason for the failure was that everyone wanted to have the chance to play the two top teams in the country more often. Neil Doncaster, showing the type of forward planning and sharp thinking for which the SPL is renowned, answered that this was not an issue in Scotland as Rangers are not currently in the top league. Excellent, so that reason is shelved for the next two years. What then Neil?

I have a myriad of issues with this idea of splitting into three leagues of eight. First of all, it is just stupidly complicated for fans. At what point did this notion of needing to have a split become ingrained in any idea of league reconstruction? It's nonsense, and it always has been. If you want more games in the season, put more teams in the league. We keep being told that the SPL don't need Rangers, so the idea that a TV contract now relies on 4 Old Firm games a season is obviously not true. Why not just play each other twice? Unless of course the SPL are talking nonsense, do need Rangers and are terrified about the status of the TV deal. We'll come back to that later.

The idea of this split also makes an absolute mockery of the second league, the ironically named "Championship". It is in keeping with the lack of common sense, innovation and general competence of the SPL that, when forging this plan, they gave the name 'Championship' to a league in which there can be no champion. You can't win it. Unless of course you win it by being top half way through the season, which is absurd. Or perhaps you win it by coming top of the middle group of eight? In which case you've got teams who have come down from top league being crowned winners of a league in which they have never actually taken part. Splendid stuff.

One of the main bonuses of this system, we are told, is that it will redistribute wealth. Well let's see about that. The figure being quoted to 'win' the Championship is 400k - except you can't win it. So who gets that money? If it is the team who finish top after 22 games then it's absurd as the season still has 14 games to go. There is then the added complication that they have a very good chance of not being promoted. Are we seriously to believe that the 400k payment they would receive makes up for the season in the top league which they would have previously been guaranteed from normal promotion? I think not. If it is the team that finishes top of the middle 8 that receives the payment, then again there is a good chance that this will be one of the bottom 4 from the top league and therefore, again, there will be no redistribution.

Now, call me an old cynic but I'm seeing another handy by-product of "8, 8, 8" for the current SPL clubs. Under the new SPL rules, insolvency events would trigger large point deductions for those teams. As we know, several of them are teetering on the brink currently. So, how about this? SPL clubs push through a new league structure as quickly as they can and ensure Rangers remain in the bottom league despite there being precedent for them being admitted to the Championship. Because this new structure comes under one newly formed league body, they secure Rangers TV rights to give them a chance of Sky not ripping up the TV contract in the summer.

All pretty simple so far? Here is the clever bit. Struggling clubs go into administration to clear their debt and happily take the points hit. This means that, as opposed to a normal SPL season, there is a good chance we find the likes of Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Hearts etc, in the bottom four. These teams, instead of being relegated, now have their points reset and a full home and away schedule against the top four of the current First Division. So they are playing against teams who, so far, have seen no additional money from reconstruction and are therefore of a standard they would fully expect to beat. This gives the four teams from the SPL an excellent chance to finish in the top four places and resume their place in the top flight free from the crippling debts that many of them currently have.

Of course I'm sure that no such thing has crossed the minds of the esteemed chairmen who find their clubs in such perilous positions. After all, it would fly in the face of the sporting integrity of which they are so fond. I'm sure they have other reasons for liking this proposal. I'm just not sure what they are.

Most of my objections to this have little to do with Rangers but how would we fare in this 12, 12, 18 setup? Well, frankly, it shouldn't matter much to us. We've already shown that our fans will turn up in huge numbers to support the club no matter what division we are in. We would also make considerably more money keeping our own TV rights and broadcasting our games on Rangers TV. I have no issue with us being in the league of 18 next year, except for one small point.

Stewart Regan, in an interview with Tom English at the weekend which read like yet another attempt to justify his position but without actually answering a single difficult question, has gone on the record as saying that Rangers must be treated like everyone else. I completely agree Stewart but in that case, if this "abomination" of reconstruction is agreed, Rangers should be heading for the Championship. That is what happened with Stranraer in 1994 and I've yet to hear a single person come up with any justification for ignoring that precedent.

Of course the usual suspects will moan and complain about how unfair it is. They will claim Rangers are being aided despite all the evidence to the contrary. They will ignore the precedent, but can the SFA? Not after what Regan is on the record as saying. What are the bets that Stewart will just ignore the question anyway or perhaps make up a new rule which means it can be ignored? Will anyone in the press even bother to ask him?

Also what is the rush? Surely, with the SPL thriving (stop it...) and the TV contract signed for 5 years (now now!) there is no need to move ahead so quickly? It's not like the SPL clubs need Rangers under this single football body umbrella to include them in the TV deal is it? Sponsors too have no need for Rangers and their support to be involved in this league setup we've been told. Why not just take our time and make sure we get it right?

Just one last question – who is going to be in charge of this brave new dawn for Scottish football? We currently have three bodies and we're being told it will be reduced to one. So who is resigning? Doncaster? Regan? Longmuir? I would almost be willing to accept these idiotic proposals if I thought it would allow us to move forward without Doncaster and particularly Regan at the helm, but I'm not hearing either of them make noises about stepping aside. In fact, Regan is clinging onto the bucking bronco of his job like a man possessed. It appears the only thing he is actually good at it is deflecting criticism onto others.

The bottom line is that, as usual, the only thing driving this reconstruction is self-interest. The fans, who as recently as the summer were so important, are being ignored. The SPL clubs are trying to create an environment where there is at least a 50/50 chance that the top league will never change, whilst claiming it makes the league more aspirational.

This is not just about Rangers, although there is a good chance we'll be shafted by the football authorities, this is about Scottish football once again rushing into a disastrous setup which fails utterly, as the SPL has done. The only hope now is that the SFL clubs, and some from the SPL, actually take a stand along with Rangers and block these proposals. I'm sure there will be much back room dealing going on over the next few weeks. It is in the interests of fans of all clubs to ask questions about this or we can look forward to another decade of stale, boring football and farcical football governance.
"

As stated this young guy is merely an internet blogger but some of his observations are pretty incisive. This beggars the question as to why has not one single member of what is laughingly termed the professional mainstream media in Scotland come up with anything even a fraction as insightful as this.

Posted by: hubert 16th Jan 2013, 11:09pm

This is from a Hearts fan, and by jings does he tell it like it is!

ayork, on 12 January 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Your right. We SHOULD have been forced to CHOOSE.. we never got that option, you lot chose for us. NEWCO.. get em tae **** i beleive the term was. Cannot have it both ways... wipe our history and call us new.. yet extect us to pay for the oldco's debts.

As it stands, we only owe HMRC now, and whether that is morally correct or not, lets face it, it's not... we have no obligation to pay the government under UK law. No business and i do mean NO business is going to volunteer to pay out millions when i legally has no obligation to.

All the organisations recognise us as old rangers, it is sadly scottish footy fans that don't, but hey any excuse to hate the big players right?

And for proof that the organisations will recognise us as oldco... ECA invite informed us as such in writing. UEFA, FIFA, SPL, SFL and SFA would all create a shit storm if we spouted about our history if we had none. Like or not that is the truth and you lot are simply bitter.

I wonder how you will spin it if you guys ever liquidate and reform? Same club? New club, new club with previous history? Pay ALL debts, or do what we did, pay ALL clubs and companies and avoid the MASSIVE government payment. Only time will tell and if it happens is the ONLY time i will get a TRUTHFUL answer.

Jesus Christ. And you describe yourself as a reasonable-minded Rangers fan? You are, quite literally, deluded - the definition of a delusion being a fixed belief which continues to be held in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

Please stop this idiotic drivel about Rangers being hard done by in some way. Sorry, but not on this planet. You wonder why everyone was so down on Rangers? Could it be because you had been lording it over the rest of Scottish football (Celtic excepted) for decades, whilst cheating financially on a staggering scale to ensure your position could never be threatened? Everybody likes to see a bully get their comeuppance, and Rangers were one of the biggest bullies in football history.

Having been found out, Rangers then showed zero remorse (still haven't, in fact) and have continued to behave with unbelievable arrogance even as their club collapsed around them. Had it not been for the utter lack of humility shown by the club, other people might have been more sympathetic, but that's the Rangers way, isn't it?

Then the unthinkable happened - you actually went bust. And contrary to what you appear to think, every authority in Scottish football immediately began to do everything in their power to ensure that you had as soft a landing as possible. Administrators are supposed to act on behalf of the creditors, to get them the best deal possible. That's almost the exact opposite of what happened in your case. The company's largest assets (Ibrox and Murray Park) were not sold off to the highest bidder to pay off the creditors. Instead, they were placed out of the creditors' reach by selling them to NewCo for a derisory sum (about £4.5m, IIRC - when Ibrox alone had been valued at £100m in Rangers' own accounts!) This was allowed to go unchallenged. Was there a fire sale of players? No. In fact, Green threatened legal action against players who exercised their right to leave.

Then we come to the question of where NewCo would play, and the shameful shenanigans that went on to try to prevent them from having to follow the rules. As a new club, NewCo should have had to apply to join SFL3, like any other new club would have to. But instead we were treated to the spectacle of the SPL and SFA seriously considering reinserting them into the SPL and pretending nothing had happened. It's hardly surprising the fans of other clubs were screaming blue murder - the authorities had thrown away their own rule book and were making things up as they went along, because this was Rangers, and the usual rules don't apply to OF clubs.

Fortunately, sanity prevailed and the SPL clubs voted against this madness, which really and truly would have made Scottish football a laughing stock around the world. Then the focus went on to the SFL, who were pressurised into putting NewCo into SFL1 - for which there was even less justification than keeping them in the SPL, since the latter is a separate body. But this failed too, amid dire predictions of doom and apocalypse (which have failed to ensue). So NewCo went to SFL3.

Then we started to get this nonsense about 'we've been punished enough'. Complete twaddle. You weren't punished AT ALL for anything you did. The 'demotion' was anything but - instead of having to reapply to the SFL, you were allowed to keep OldCo's membership and bypass the application process. It was doing NewCo a favour. The only 'punishments' dealt out to Rangers were a miserable fine, a transfer ban which was carefully arranged to cause a minimum of inconvenience (it didn't start till you had already signed players for this season, and will end just in time for you to register players for next season!) and a requirement to pay 'football debts', which was trivial in comparison to the series of favours you had received.

Then the new season began, with Rangers in Div 3, but still owning Ibrox and Murray Park, still having much of their squad, still having all their coaching staff, having made virtually nobody redundant, and claiming somehow to be both a new club (hence debt free) and an old club (hence with all the Rangers history). No attempt has been made to challenge this at all. Next thing we know, 'Rangers' - who are supposed to have gone bust and returned as a new entity - are signing players from SPL clubs and paying them bumper SPL wages to play in SFL3.

Is it any wonder that your club are resented? The scale of the heist you have pulled off is breathtaking. You were cheating, you were found out, you went bust, and yet you have been allowed to carry on as if nothing had happened. Your 'punishment' has been a slap on the wrist at best. And despite all this, you honestly think you have been mistreated! If Hearts go to the wall, do you think we will get ANY of the special treatment you did? Not a chance in hell

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Posted by: Dave Grieve 17th Jan 2013, 05:54am

As you say Hubert telling like it is , the truth with a capital T.

"DELUSIONAL" a very good descriptive word to describe the majority of their supporters whether cash paying fans, ex players or club officials thumbup.gif

Posted by: mitchell 17th Jan 2013, 09:25am

Amazing what status in society an anonymous post can do.
What a load of bullshit!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 17th Jan 2013, 09:33am

He's only recapping what we as football fans have already discussed.

Posted by: mitchell 17th Jan 2013, 10:01am

From the Celtic point of view!

Posted by: Dave Grieve 17th Jan 2013, 11:15am

QUOTE (mitchell @ 17th Jan 2013, 10:42am) *
Amazing what status in society an anonymous post can do.
What a load of bullshit!


Perhaps Mitchell you give us the benefit of your unbiased knowledge and go through the points made one by one and discredit them or show them up for the lies you say they are?

Posted by: Dylan 17th Jan 2013, 12:16pm

Why should he.?

You never explain your lies.!!!!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 17th Jan 2013, 01:15pm

QUOTE (mitchell @ 17th Jan 2013, 10:18am) *
From the Celtic point of view!


Not just Celtic Mitchell, apart from Kilmarnock all the SPL clubs voted not to allow the Newco into their league as did all the first division clubs (my own included i'm glad to say) when Regan and co were rewriting their own rule books and bending over backward trying to get them admitted to the first division.

Posted by: Mathieson 17th Jan 2013, 02:10pm

Great to see everyone discussing the Rangers as per usual. thumbup.gif

The Rangers ; the only show in town (an average of 20,000 missing Celtic fans per week just cannot be wrong!) laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 17th Jan 2013, 02:13pm

QUOTE (hubert @ 17th Jan 2013, 12:26am) *
If Hearts go to the wall, do you think we will get ANY of the special treatment you did? Not a chance in hell


Will this be the same Hearts that have had their ludicrous transfer embargo rescinded just today, whilst Rangers transfer embargo still stands? laugh.gif

Posted by: wee davy 17th Jan 2013, 02:19pm

In 5yrs or less, will ANYBODY give a MONKEYS?

Will Scottish Football authorities have got their act together?

Will Rangers be paying off an astronomical amount of owed tax (Even at a bob a week?) (Thats my opinion as a taxpayer ALL MY LIFE - like the most of us on this board - HMRC have never let ME off wi' anything)

I think not.

Will Rangers be playing in England?

The thing which will ALWAYS stick in people's craw, is the way in which the business end of one of the most senior clubs in the world, got off Scot free (it would appear).
Their laughing their little cotton socks off. A NATIONAL disgrace.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 17th Jan 2013, 02:27pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 17th Jan 2013, 12:33pm) *
Why should he.?

You never explain your lies.!!!!


Nor do you.

Posted by: Mathieson 19th Jan 2013, 02:09am

QUOTE (hubert @ 17th Jan 2013, 12:26am) *
This is from a Hearts fan, and by jings does he tell it like it is!

ayork, on 12 January 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Your right. We SHOULD have been forced to CHOOSE.. we never got that option, you lot chose for us. NEWCO.. get em tae **** i beleive the term was. Cannot have it both ways... wipe our history and call us new.. yet extect us to pay for the oldco's debts.

As it stands, we only owe HMRC now, and whether that is morally correct or not, lets face it, it's not... we have no obligation to pay the government under UK law. No business and i do mean NO business is going to volunteer to pay out millions when i legally has no obligation to.

All the organisations recognise us as old rangers, it is sadly scottish footy fans that don't, but hey any excuse to hate the big players right?

And for proof that the organisations will recognise us as oldco... ECA invite informed us as such in writing. UEFA, FIFA, SPL, SFL and SFA would all create a shit storm if we spouted about our history if we had none. Like or not that is the truth and you lot are simply bitter.

I wonder how you will spin it if you guys ever liquidate and reform? Same club? New club, new club with previous history? Pay ALL debts, or do what we did, pay ALL clubs and companies and avoid the MASSIVE government payment. Only time will tell and if it happens is the ONLY time i will get a TRUTHFUL answer.

Jesus Christ. And you describe yourself as a reasonable-minded Rangers fan? You are, quite literally, deluded - the definition of a delusion being a fixed belief which continues to be held in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

Please stop this idiotic drivel about Rangers being hard done by in some way. Sorry, but not on this planet. You wonder why everyone was so down on Rangers? Could it be because you had been lording it over the rest of Scottish football (Celtic excepted) for decades, whilst cheating financially on a staggering scale to ensure your position could never be threatened? Everybody likes to see a bully get their comeuppance, and Rangers were one of the biggest bullies in football history.

Having been found out, Rangers then showed zero remorse (still haven't, in fact) and have continued to behave with unbelievable arrogance even as their club collapsed around them. Had it not been for the utter lack of humility shown by the club, other people might have been more sympathetic, but that's the Rangers way, isn't it?

Then the unthinkable happened - you actually went bust. And contrary to what you appear to think, every authority in Scottish football immediately began to do everything in their power to ensure that you had as soft a landing as possible. Administrators are supposed to act on behalf of the creditors, to get them the best deal possible. That's almost the exact opposite of what happened in your case. The company's largest assets (Ibrox and Murray Park) were not sold off to the highest bidder to pay off the creditors. Instead, they were placed out of the creditors' reach by selling them to NewCo for a derisory sum (about £4.5m, IIRC - when Ibrox alone had been valued at £100m in Rangers' own accounts!) This was allowed to go unchallenged. Was there a fire sale of players? No. In fact, Green threatened legal action against players who exercised their right to leave.

Then we come to the question of where NewCo would play, and the shameful shenanigans that went on to try to prevent them from having to follow the rules. As a new club, NewCo should have had to apply to join SFL3, like any other new club would have to. But instead we were treated to the spectacle of the SPL and SFA seriously considering reinserting them into the SPL and pretending nothing had happened. It's hardly surprising the fans of other clubs were screaming blue murder - the authorities had thrown away their own rule book and were making things up as they went along, because this was Rangers, and the usual rules don't apply to OF clubs.

Fortunately, sanity prevailed and the SPL clubs voted against this madness, which really and truly would have made Scottish football a laughing stock around the world. Then the focus went on to the SFL, who were pressurised into putting NewCo into SFL1 - for which there was even less justification than keeping them in the SPL, since the latter is a separate body. But this failed too, amid dire predictions of doom and apocalypse (which have failed to ensue). So NewCo went to SFL3.

Then we started to get this nonsense about 'we've been punished enough'. Complete twaddle. You weren't punished AT ALL for anything you did. The 'demotion' was anything but - instead of having to reapply to the SFL, you were allowed to keep OldCo's membership and bypass the application process. It was doing NewCo a favour. The only 'punishments' dealt out to Rangers were a miserable fine, a transfer ban which was carefully arranged to cause a minimum of inconvenience (it didn't start till you had already signed players for this season, and will end just in time for you to register players for next season!) and a requirement to pay 'football debts', which was trivial in comparison to the series of favours you had received.

Then the new season began, with Rangers in Div 3, but still owning Ibrox and Murray Park, still having much of their squad, still having all their coaching staff, having made virtually nobody redundant, and claiming somehow to be both a new club (hence debt free) and an old club (hence with all the Rangers history). No attempt has been made to challenge this at all. Next thing we know, 'Rangers' - who are supposed to have gone bust and returned as a new entity - are signing players from SPL clubs and paying them bumper SPL wages to play in SFL3.

Is it any wonder that your club are resented? The scale of the heist you have pulled off is breathtaking. You were cheating, you were found out, you went bust, and yet you have been allowed to carry on as if nothing had happened. Your 'punishment' has been a slap on the wrist at best. And despite all this, you honestly think you have been mistreated! If Hearts go to the wall, do you think we will get ANY of the special treatment you did? Not a chance in hell

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Bitter, bitter people. rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

By the way, on the very day the above was originally posted, Hearts ridiculous tranfer ban (it was handed down when the transfer window was actually closed!! laugh.gif ) was lifted.
Meanwhile Rangers ban (which was judged as illegal) but still enforced as a shameful blackmail measure, still stands.

But carry on, don't let the facts get in the way of a wee bit of malice.

Posted by: Mathieson 19th Jan 2013, 11:50am

From today's edition of The Mail. How on earth can SPL clubs presently be telling the SFL that they will be handing down a bigger share of their riches when this is the truth of the matter? No wonder Doncaster, Regan and Lawwell are trying to push through this reconstruction with indecent haste.

Kilmarnock Issued Winding-Up Order
"The cash crisis gripping debt-ridden Kilmarnock has deepened after the Ayrshire club were served with a winding up order.
In debt to the tune of £9.8million, the League Cup holders have been forced to sell prize assets Liam Kelly to Bristol City for £150,000 and defender Michael Nelson to Bradford for £50,000 -with goalkeeper Cammy Bell also expected to quit by the end of the month.
Despite the sales, however, the prospect of Sheriff Officer action grew last night when a leading creditor commenced legal action for the recovery of £16,000.

Former Killie season ticket holder Craig Stevenson, owner of Braehead Foods, has been pursuing his money since Christmas, leaving a string of messages with chairman Michael Johnston.

Johnston is due to face worried shareholders at the club’s AGM next week and the questions will take on a new intensity after Stevenson told Sportsmail: 'I instructed lawyers on Friday afternoon just before 4pm to pursue Kilmarnock FC and the chairman Michael Johnston for £16,000 we are owed.
'I believe they were sending a recorded delivery letter which Kilmarnock will receive today (Saturday).
'Failing that we will instruct Sheriff Officers to go out on Monday morning and serve it on Kilmarnock Football Club.
'We have supplied Kilmarnock and I am a supporter, so this saddens me. We can appreciate times are not good in the football world.
'A few years ago they could have gone down on the last day of the season and it was my understanding at the time that if that happened they would have gone into administration and I would have lost £6000.
'Beating Falkirk that day was a very important result for me. If they had gone down I would have lost money and I would have accepted that’s life and got on with it.
'But this is different.'
Kilmarnock were scheduled to pay Braehead Foods for supplies to the club’s Park Hotel on December 20, before leeway was granted until the New Year.
On January 10 the club’s account was placed on hold and after trying repeatedly to contact Johnston, Stevenson says he has now had enough
'I have chased Michael Johnston once or twice a day every day, leaving voicemails for him, speaking to his head chef and obtaining promises it would be sorted.
'His girl in the accounts office has also been sending emails – so he has received the messages that he owes me £4500 for November. Between November and December he now owes me over £16,000.
'Could I survive without the £16,000? Yes I could. Would I be more sympathetic if Michael Johnston – a lawyer to trade – called me back and asked to pay £500 a week and was a bit more up front rather than hiding and burying his head in the sand? Most definitely.'
Despite posting a profit of £11,384 for the last financial year Kilmarnock’s net debt rose by £83,000 to £9.84m, while turnover for the year was £7.4m, an increase of almost £300,000 on the previous 12 months."

Posted by: Dimairt 21st Jan 2013, 12:31pm

Interesting piece in today's Herald about young Scottish players.

Durachdan,

Eddy

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/opinion/english-clubs-cross-the-rubicon-as-they-pillage-young-players.19963437

Posted by: mitchell 22nd Jan 2013, 02:00am

Sadly Eddy the money is in the English leagues or Europe at the moment.
A lot of players in this mickey mouse Scottish football have not been paid their wages. (Spl being the main one)
That post by Mathieson sums it up with the position Kimarnock are in,also Hearts and other first division clubs alike.
The only clubs who seem to be doing okay are the ones in division 3. wink.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 23rd Jan 2013, 12:49pm

Scottish fitba is in very deep doodoo but rather than admit it and then trying to deal with the reality, the SPL clubs and the administrators within the SFA and SPL are basically lying in trying to fool the public (and no doubt, investors, sponsors and advertisers) into believing that the league is "booming", and just brimming over with excitement and competition.
The reality is that the public is not fooled, (well apart, that is, from one or two expats on here who apparently reside in cloud-cuckoo-land and as long as Celtic are strolling a one-horse race everything in the garden is rosy biggrin.gif ) and crowds have plummeted, TV viewing figures have nose-dived and there's no money to bring in any new signings in the transfer window.

Sadly, certain elements within the media for some strange reason see it as their business to conspire in these lies, by attempting to big up the excitement and competition levels, not to mention reporting artificially inflated crowd numbers to help pepertrate the propaganda.
The fact is that several SPL clubs - notably Celtic - would not be handing out free tickets (10,000 of them!) at a rate of two to each season ticket holder over several games if their crowds were at the level they are consistently claiming they are.
In any life situation, you cannot deal with a problem if you are unwilling to acknowledge that it very much exists.
And, IMO, these proposed league reconstruction plans will only accelerate the downward spiral.

Posted by: hubert 23rd Jan 2013, 01:38pm

Well if fitba fans like you mathieson, get your apparent wish and Scottish fitba goes under, Celtic will go somewhere else, something they should have done years and years ago.
Celtic open 12 point lead.
CELTIC extended their lead at the top of the Scottish Premier League night in front of a distinguished guest in Sir Alex Ferguson. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 23rd Jan 2013, 04:16pm

As Del Boy would say "Don't be a plonker all your life", Hubes. Why would I, as a fitba fan, want Scottish fitba to fail?
On the contrary I want it to survive, but the clowns running the game - who you presumably admire - seem to be doing their level best to kill it off.

BTW, good luck with that tainted SPL one-horse race. I say tainted as all those thousands of absent Celtic fans cannot possibly be wrong, can they? Sir Awex must have been feeling rather lonely! laugh.gif

Posted by: Dimairt 23rd Jan 2013, 06:33pm

QUOTE (mitchell @ 22nd Jan 2013, 03:17am) *
Sadly Eddy the money is in the English leagues or Europe at the moment.
A lot of players in this mickey mouse Scottish football have not been paid their wages. (Spl being the main one)
That post by Mathieson sums it up with the position Kimarnock are in,also Hearts and other first division clubs alike.
The only clubs who seem to be doing okay are the ones in division 3. wink.gif



Actually, the Jags are doing ok financially too, returning a small profit last year. The Club works hard on sponsorship deals (new one announced yesterday) and special offers for fans. As an OAP, I get a fiver off admission and under-16s are admitted free to all league games.

Durachdan,

Eddy

Posted by: Mathieson 24th Jan 2013, 09:14pm

PETERHEAD boss Jim McInally has officially apologised to Rangers for inappropriate comments involving one of his players on social media.
One of the Peterhead players – Steven Noble – was involved in a Twitter conversation in the aftermath of Sunday’s match at Balmoor which Rangers won 1-0 thanks to a Fran Sandaza goal.
Noble had been involved in an incident during the match where his left boot caught Sandaza on the cheek which was badly injured against Motherwell last September.
Another Twitter user said: “[i]Not often a Celt gets to kick a Ger in the face and not get lifted
”. And the full back responded: “Ha ha. You got it in one that’s the only part of the game I’ve watched back”.
Former Dundee United star McInally contacted Rangers today to officially apologise for the actions of his player.
He said: “On behalf of the club I want to apologise for the comments made by Steven Noble on Twitter.
“I cannot understand any footballer or manager at any level wanting to use these accounts when they are in the public eye.”
The Peterhead boss was also disappointed by an article in a local paper which portrayed him as being critical of Rangers."[/i]

Surely this is a classic case of bringing the game into disrepute? Where is the SFA's "Compliance Officer"? Surely he should be knocking down this Steven Noble's door to ask what is so funny about kicking an opposing player in the face? It almost seems like Vincent only has the appetite for going after players of certain clubs, but surely not. rolleyes.gif
SFA : Corrupt to the core.

Posted by: Mathieson 24th Jan 2013, 09:27pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 23rd Jan 2013, 02:06pm) *
Sadly, certain elements within the media for some strange reason see it as their business to conspire in these lies, by attempting to big up the excitement and competition levels, not to mention reporting artificially inflated crowd numbers to help pepertrate the propaganda.


I read today that The Daily Record, who have signed some sort of publishing partnership with Celtic ( ohmy.gif presumably around 1888? laugh.gif ) have repeated the fantasy figures that Lawwell has been reporting to the press.
Anyone tuning into SPL highlights can see for themselves the true story, and if the attendance figures at CP were as consistently high as Lawwell and Co claim then they would certainly not needed to have handed out 10,000 free tickets the other couple of weeks, as well as other BOGOF offers in November and December! laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 26th Jan 2013, 05:47pm

Reports say that Falkirk fans groups gave an overwhelming thumbs down last night to the Lawwell, Regan and Doncaster's ropey league reconstruction proposals.
Falkirk FC have said they now need to consider this feedback from their paying public. Going by last year's mantra that the fans need to be listened to at all times it should be shooty-in, but we shall see.
Jim Spence, the Dundee-based poltroon from BBC Scotland also reports that both Dundee United and Dundee fans groups are solidly against the proposals. Stephen Thompson of United has already gone on record as saying the fans' wishes are tantamount : let's see if he still believes in that.

Posted by: Mathieson 26th Jan 2013, 05:51pm

BTW, I must say I am astonished at the complete lack of comment on these league reconstruction proposals on here.
Having said that, maybe if some of the more bitter, bigoted mouth-pieces who let their bellies rumble with their vitriol and bias last year actually bothered to go to matches then they would maybe have more incentive in bothering to give their opinions.
Then again, maybe not..... smile.gif


Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Jan 2013, 11:35am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 26th Jan 2013, 06:08pm) *
BTW, I must say I am astonished at the complete lack of comment on these league reconstruction proposals on here.
Having said that, maybe if some of the more bitter, bigoted mouth-pieces who let their bellies rumble with their vitriol and bias last year actually bothered to go to matches then they would maybe have more incentive in bothering to give their opinions.
Then again, maybe not..... smile.gif


You can hardly expect the ex-pats of the three Glasgow club who contribute to this thread to turn up regularly to matches can you?

As for the home based posters on here, how do you know that they don't attend matches let alone can't be bothered to turn up?

Do you honestly believe that if someone is to old, frail, ill or financially unable to attend a football match they should not be allowed to have a say or opinion on the future of the game that they love?

As for your astonishment at the complete lack of comment on here on the proposed league reconstruction, well as you know i made my own view's known on #87 when i said if the proposals go through i will be thinking about giving up attending matches, to which you replied in #90 with a well thought out and constructive reply, "Oh, my aching sides!" it would be interesting to find out why you found my comment so funny.

Finally, as for league reconstruction i gave my opinion on how i would like to see the game reconstructed in #42, perhaps you could give the rest of us your vision of the future of Scottish football if you have one yet, or are you still waiting on someone else blogging their opinion for you, then you can cut n paste it and try to pass it off as your own.

Posted by: Mathieson 27th Jan 2013, 12:54pm

Any genuine fitba fans have any comments?

Posted by: Mathieson 27th Jan 2013, 01:59pm

http://billmcmurdo.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/sponsoring-the-titanic/

Posted by: Dylan 27th Jan 2013, 02:21pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 27th Jan 2013, 01:11pm) *
Any genuine fitba fans have any comments?



I am aware that Rangers Fans are not considered genuine fans on here .

However.

The Celtic Fans came out against reconstruction but Liewell came out in favour.

I commented a short time ago that Celtic Fans would close ranks with Celtic FC.

Well they owe Liewell big time for listening to them and voting against Rangers in the interest of sporting/moral integrity.?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Jan 2013, 05:02pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 27th Jan 2013, 01:11pm) *
Any genuine fitba fans have any comments?


And with those seven words you have lost any shred of credibility that you had left on this board.

Posted by: Dimairt 27th Jan 2013, 08:44pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 27th Jan 2013, 06:19pm) *
And with those seven words you have lost any shred of credibility that you had left on this board.



I'm with JAGZ1876 on this one Mathieson. Is a "genuine" fan someone who supports Rangers and/or agrees with you?
I know fans of lots of different teams and I think, I hope, that my take on Scottish football is tempered by their opinions. A fan is, among other things, someone who loves the game, supports his team and can give and take among other fans.
Unfortunately, there is a strong streak of self-righteousness appearing in posts from 'Gers fans, here and on other sites - is the Daily Record really a "Cel'ic" paper? An independent could be forgiven for thinking that they want Scottish football to collapse, leaving only their club standing (debt) free. Rangers are in Division 3 because of their own actions - there was no conspiracy.
There are only a few of us posting on these pages, so I doubt that we're, any of us, in any way representative of broader opinion but it is becoming clear that fans of many clubs don't much fancy the proposed reorganisation. (I said my piece in posts 81 and 82)
Finally, as a tutor, I would fail any student who kept supporting their point of view with the point of view of like-minded souls, so please no more Bill McMurdo and that "No surrender" pish.

Durachdan,

Eddy

Posted by: Mathieson 27th Jan 2013, 08:59pm

Gid yin Eddy.
Don't talk to me of self-righteousness. You obviously never read all the posts on here from last year where a number of very self-righteous guys were lining up to have a pop, not only against Rangers but at any Rangers fans that dared to stand up for their team and put any points across. We were given little in the way of consideration so you can maybe understand if I reciprocate in the same manner. Or, who knows, maybe you did read them, you don't understand, and you see things just as self-righteously. Anyway, no matter, that;s your choice.

As for the "pish" I post biggrin.gif - if you don't like it then don't read it. I've already accepted it's not to everybody's taste but is largely for the benefit of other Gers fans. Again, as mentioned, I have had favourable feedback from these guys so I will continue to post it, and it's obvious that fans of other clubs read it as well (whether they think it's "pish" or no).

Oh, and, so you're a tutor? Wow!

Finally, you yourself seem like a genuine fan, so thanks for the feedback. thumbup.gif

Posted by: Dimairt 27th Jan 2013, 09:57pm

Mathieson,
The "pish" reference was to Bill McMurdo's "No Surrender" sign-off, not to you or your posts.
I have read the posts on this and other footie threads but try not get involved in playground-like "but he started it" arguments - I'm too old for it. (see pic on Jags thread)
As to the tutor reference, it stands - an argument isn't valid simply because it comes from someone else who agrees with you in the first place. For example, Rangers and their fans are oppossed to the reorganisation proposals. Put on their own, they're just that and , it could be argued* , they are the result of self-interest. However, added to the growing ,widespread opposition from other clubs and their fans, they have a validity they don't necessarily have on their own.
We should have a pint sometime.

Durachdan,

Eddy

* I feel that I'm at work writing this!

Posted by: Dylan 27th Jan 2013, 10:07pm

Eddy,

To support Rangers has been sufficient , on this Board , to be accused of being self righteous.

Your pal Ossie equates being a Rangers fan to living in a " Bunker " and being " Sectarian.

We are simply Rangers Fans , who have our own opinion of the way we have been treated and try in our own way to Support Rangers .
It wont agree with your view but we are still entitled to it without ridicule .

However we will continue to give our opinion and fight our corner.

It might be pish but it is our Pish.!!!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Jan 2013, 10:51pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 27th Jan 2013, 10:24pm) *
Eddy,

To support Rangers has been sufficient , on this Board , to be accused of being self righteous.


Well when your pal Mathieson accuses fans of other clubs of not being "genuine fans" or makes sweeping generalisations about their commitment to the Scottish game, or feigns astonishment at a lack of comment on league reconstruction when he himself has not contributed his own take on the issue and mocks my opinions on the matter, then i can see why some may think that.

Posted by: Mathieson 28th Jan 2013, 12:02am

QUOTE (Dylan @ 27th Jan 2013, 11:24pm) *
It might be pish but it is our Pish.!!!


LOL! Nice one Dylan, quote of the week, sir! thumbup.gif

Almost as funny as "the jaggy tim" getting all indignant. laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 28th Jan 2013, 09:25am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 28th Jan 2013, 12:08am) *
Well when your pal Mathieson accuses fans of other clubs of not being "genuine fans" or makes sweeping generalisations about their commitment to the Scottish game,


Where did I accuse "fans of other clubs"? I meant YOU! yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Jan 2013, 11:19am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 28th Jan 2013, 12:19am) *
LOL! Nice one Dylan, quote of the week, sir! thumbup.gif

Almost as funny as "the jaggy tim" getting all indignant. laugh.gif


Jaggy tim laugh.gif Ah, good to see the old "if your no wan u uz yer wan o them" tradition has carried on from the oldco (what did i post yesterday about your credibility) but you have more in common with a Tim, particularly the bigoted type, than i ever will, but i know this point will just go in one ear and out the other with you're, "Them n' uz" attitude.

One thing i have noticed with you and your pal, and that is the similar tactics to your football debating and your political debating skills, in lieu of any reasonable argument insult your opponent, which makes for a poor discussion board.

I know i'm wasting my time as you won't answer the question anyway, you probably won't know the answer as you will be quoting from someone else's blog but here goes anyway.

What makes you think i'm not a genuine fan?

Posted by: hubert 28th Jan 2013, 03:27pm

Was watching Sky Sports, apparently the SPL clubs unanimously voted for restructuring of the Scottish leagues, I believe it to be 12, 12, and 18.
The SFA clubs will now be looking into this, very interesting to see what the final outcome is.

Posted by: Mathieson 28th Jan 2013, 03:57pm

Big surprise! The SPL clubs had set their course so they could hardly go against it now. Not surprising they voted for it, as it virtually guarantees that they will stay in the top tier for the forseeable future as the proposed 12-12 split into 8-8-8 is loaded in their favour.
It remains to be seen if sufficient of the present SFL1 clubs have seen through this, or if they'll be blinded by the promise of more money, irrespective of what their fans say, and irrespectiv eof where this money is coming from.
I reckon the SFL clubs will pass it as well, regardless of the fact that the fans don't want it.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Jan 2013, 04:11pm

I would hope the 29 SFL clubs would dismiss this when they meet on Thursday but i have my doubts as even Raith Rovers Turnbull Hutton has indicated he is in favour of the 12 12 18 split 8 8 8 take away the first number you thought of B*****k's, and if they do push it through does anyone know if it will start next season or the following season?

Posted by: Dimairt 28th Jan 2013, 04:38pm

I'm disappointed, though not surprised at this. Today's Herald suggested that clubs that were wavering about the proposals were being told,"..it's this or nothing." Change for its own sake is rarely a good thing, look at local government.
So it's down now to the 'wee diddy teams' whose fans have been underwhelmed by the proposals - had a quick tour of fansites recently to check. While much was made of "listening to the fans" during the Rangers demotion debate last year, I doubt that was nothing but a PR exercise, costing club chairmen little: will they be "listening" this time around?
I can't see what would be in it for the lower divisions in general and the Jags in particular if we win the League.

Durachdan,

Eddy

Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Jan 2013, 04:56pm

I just wish the first division clubs (even us wether we go up or not) would see through the promise of bigger crumbs from the top table for the bribe they really are Eddy.

Posted by: Mathieson 28th Jan 2013, 08:52pm

QUOTE (Dimairt @ 28th Jan 2013, 05:55pm) *
I'm disappointed, though not surprised at this. Today's Herald suggested that clubs that were wavering about the proposals were being told,"..it's this or nothing." Change for its own sake is rarely a good thing, look at local government.
So it's down now to the 'wee diddy teams' whose fans have been underwhelmed by the proposals - had a quick tour of fansites recently to check. While much was made of "listening to the fans" during the Rangers demotion debate last year, I doubt that was nothing but a PR exercise, costing club chairmen little: will they be "listening" this time around?
I can't see what would be in it for the lower divisions in general and the Jags in particular if we win the League.

Durachdan,

Eddy


Nail hit firmly on head.

Of course, that fleeting obsession for "listening to the fans" ceased the very second their opinion no longer coincided with the pre-determined agenda of Lawwell, Regan, Doncaster and Co.

Posted by: Mathieson 28th Jan 2013, 09:19pm

Yes, I know it's another cut'n'paste and yes it's from the Rangers blogger John DC Gow but it seems that the SPL never actually had a vote so once again the press seem to be working to somebody's agenda... rolleyes.gif

QUOTE
Fractures in SPL as they pass the buck again?
Posted by John Gow

Neil Doncaster claims there's unity in Scottish soccer, but there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.

With a first glance at media reports on the outcome of Scottish Premier League's meeting, you would have been forgiven for believing that the SPL clubs had voted for the new league reconstruction plan of a 12-12-18 setup. Chief Executive Neil Doncaster proudly proclaimed that:

"The clubs were united in their view about the need for change. I firmly believe that any change can only come from consensus and there's one consensus model for change going forward. The SPL clubs have been clear today that they, in principle back this being taken to the next stage. It's now for the Scottish Football League clubs to give their views on Thursday."

Sorry? You mean the SPL haven’t actually voted for anything and have only agreed 'in principle' to do something after they see what the Scottish Football League (SFL) clubs do?

That can’t be true, as surely these leaders of Scottish football wouldn’t pass the buck in exactly the same way as they did all last summer? But a statement from Motherwell FC confirmed that “There was no formal vote today however as a club, we indicated our support to the SPL Executive to progress discussions with the SFL.”

How depressing! Not only does it show a lack of forward thinking, but the timescale for setting up the reconstruction has just been pushed back again. It could be weeks, even months, before anyone knows what is going to happen next season.

And for Rangers? They could be playing in matches for promotion or the SFL3 title and weeks before the end of the season could be told that it didn’t really matter. "Hey Rangers, never mind about all that money spent ensuring that you were promoted. Don’t bother Gers fans for turning out in incredible numbers to watch your team in a league race, we’re just going to forget the rules at the start of the season and you’ll all get to re-play the same teams again. Oh I mean everyone is promoted . . . .that sounds much better."

And if you think this is only the view of Rangers, then look around at other supporters groups. On Sunday, the ArabTrust also said "we are not in favour of rushing through the introduction of all of the proposed changes in summer 2013", calling it "grossly unfair that clubs are being asked to vote on this matter, when little detail or any alternatives have been provided, and where it appears to be a take-it-or-leave-it scenario."

Ironically Dundee United were one of the strongest supporters of fan opinion when it looked as if they would vote Rangers FC out of the SPL. Now that opinion is presumably no longer shared with the board - it is ignored.

Such is life, but let’s not pretend these plans are being run by altruists interested in the good of the game. The weakness of the Scottish Football Association (SFA) has led to a power vacuum that is helping some clubs and not others. The lack of a concrete vote Monday is a possible sign that there are fractures within the SPL, or else why wouldn’t they just go ahead?

As Rangers’ CEO Charles Green says, "[The] SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster is telling everyone [the] agreement was unanimous. So why the delay? Might it have been too big a risk to put the format to a vote today? The SFL clubs meet on Thursday and there has to be the concern that if they don’t vote or arrive at any concrete solution then Scottish football could be back in the same situation which caused so much trauma last summer.

"What we don’t need is a repeat of that when one group would meet but do nothing hoping the other lot would make a decision. This is far too important an issue for it to be knocked back and forth but I really do wonder if all 12 clubs are happy with today’s outcome.”

The educated guess would be that Green is correct here and there is no unanimity, but then who really knows? The only certainty in Scottish football is that the more things change the more they stay the same. Self-interest of the few will remain King.


What an absolute shambles.

Posted by: Mathieson 29th Jan 2013, 12:04pm

Rangers Supporters Trust statement on re-construction

http://therst.co.uk/

The Rangers Supporters Trust are disappointed but unsurprised that the SPL clubs have decided to show total disregard to football supporters, and vote through a reconstruction proposal which has serious question marks over it's viability.

At the moment there is no sponsor and there are serious concerns over the future of the current broadcasting deal. Back in October Neil Doncaster reported that the SPL was adapting remarkably well without Rangers. Given this prosperity, one would question the need to rush the proposal through for the beginning of next season, especially when there are so many unanswered questions.

We can only hope that our fellow SFL clubs are able to display the integrity, transparency and common sense so sadly lacking from their SPL counterparts, and treat this proposal with the same level of contempt as the SPL have shown football supporters.

In the summer the directors of many SPL clubs stated how important it was to listen to fans - yet there would appear to be an almost universal rejection amongst fans of all clubs against 12-12-18.

We also note statements in recent times from the Dundee United Chairman and the Celtic CEO concerning the unsuitability changing of the rules of a competition during a season.


FOR INFO -
“You can’t ignore fans. Any business which ignores its customers is doomed to fail". Stephen Thompson, Dundee United. 9th June 2012.

“However the league must not be compromised by changing the rules during the course of the competition and these decisions should not be made on an ad-hoc basis.”
Peter Lawwell, Celtic, 22 April 2008

Posted by: hubert 29th Jan 2013, 01:08pm

QUOTE
SPL chief Neil Doncaster does not understand Rangers' concerns over proposed new set-up

The 12 top-flight clubs yesterday unanimously agreed to push ahead with proposals to restructure Scottish football that include a 12-12-18 set-up to be put in place for next season.

Despite some individuals publicly wavering on the proposal in recent weeks, the monthly meeting at Hampden reached a consensus after all clubs were allowed an opportunity to say their piece.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/spl-12-back-league-revamp.20044497

Posted by: Ossie 29th Jan 2013, 01:53pm

These are indeed difficult times for the game in Scotland . In truth, I'm not at all sure the present proposal is the way forward . Of course we need change, and if the majority of our clubs feel this proposed setup is worth a try, then we have no option but to go with their decision .

For me there's not so very much wrong with the present setup . As I think I've already said on another post, a great number of people have simply become disenchanted with the game. All the tinkering in the world won't change that .

If the demise of football in this country was simply down to one or two reasons it would be easier to sort . Sadly that's not the case .

Ossie.

Posted by: Mathieson 29th Jan 2013, 04:03pm

QUOTE (hubert @ 29th Jan 2013, 02:25pm) *
SPL chief Neil Doncaster does not understand Rangers' concerns over proposed new set-up


Of course he doesn't, that's a big part of his problem. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Jan 2013, 06:42pm

QUOTE (Ossie @ 29th Jan 2013, 02:10pm) *
Of course we need change, and if the majority of our clubs feel this proposed setup is worth a try, then we have no option but to go with their decision .

For me there's not so very much wrong with the present setup .



Wrong Ossie we do have options, we can refuse to to attend matches for a start, hit them where it hurts, in the pocket.

Do you honestly think that there is little wrong with the present set up?

A top tier that has saw 200,000 fans disappear since the SPL formed and dropping season after season, not just through a lack of skill, sub standard play, or being overcharged at the gate, but the mind numbingly boring repetition of playing the same old teams at least four times a season, Rangers fans will tell you how refreshing it is to visit different Towns and grounds, never has the old saying familiarity breeds contempt been so true.

The supporters are sick to death of a 12 team top league, yet what do the clowns at the top of the game propose as an alternative........A 12 team top league wacko.gif

We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to reorganise our senior game from the bottom up, to put aside club rivalries and interests and put the future well being of the game first, because if we don't, then Stewart (i haven't got a f*@%ing clue what i'm doing) Regan's prophesy that, "Scottish football will die a slow and lingering death and there is nothing i can do" will come true, and then it will be too late, and we will only have ourselves to blame for allowing it to happen.

Posted by: Mathieson 29th Jan 2013, 07:18pm

The slow lingering death gathered pace somewhat as soon as John Reid's son and his buddy head-hunted Regan and Doncaster to come and do Lawwell's bidding.

I honestly do not see Scottish football recovering from this latest episode.

Posted by: hubert 29th Jan 2013, 11:21pm

QUOTE
Dundee United will on Wednesday unveil Jackie McNamara as their replacement for manager Peter Houston after agreeing to compensate Partick Thistle.

Houston, 54, announced two weeks ago that he would be leaving the Tannadice club at the end of the season.

However, he brought forward his departure by leaving the Scottish Premier League club on Monday.

McNamara, 39, has guided Thistle to second place in the Scottish First Division in his second season there.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21249708

Posted by: Ossie 30th Jan 2013, 04:51am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 29th Jan 2013, 06:59pm) *
Wrong Ossie we do have options, we can refuse to to attend matches for a start, hit them where it hurts, in the pocket.

Do you honestly think that there is little wrong with the present set up?

A top tier that has saw 200,000 fans disappear since the SPL formed and dropping season after season, not just through a lack of skill, sub standard play, or being overcharged at the gate, but the mind numbingly boring repetition of playing the same old teams at least four times a season, Rangers fans will tell you how refreshing it is to visit different Towns and grounds, never has the old saying familiarity breeds contempt been so true.

The supporters are sick to death of a 12 team top league, yet what do the clowns at the top of the game propose as an alternative........A 12 team top league wacko.gif

We have a once in a lifetime opportunity to reorganise our senior game from the bottom up, to put aside club rivalries and interests and put the future well being of the game first, because if we don't, then Stewart (i haven't got a f*@%ing clue what i'm doing) Regan's prophesy that, "Scottish football will die a slow and lingering death and there is nothing i can do" will come true, and then it will be too late, and we will only have ourselves to blame for allowing it to happen.


Hi Jagz , yes I honestly believe the present setup isn't too bad . That's not to say we shouldn't look to improve it though . We could still for instance introduce play-off for example. In truth I don't have a clue what the answer is, I'm not even sure there is one .

Does a bigger league necessarily mean a better one for instance ?

The problem for me is the lack of quality on the park , I really don't know how we can change that in a hurry . Of course there's also reasonable argument that we can't sustain as many professional clubs .

Your point regarding losing support because folk are bored probably has a degree of substance. I doubt very much if it's the sole reason though. Who knows , maybe if the ugly sisters ever achieve their dream and move out of Scotland the game will recover in its own time.

Ossie.

Posted by: Mathieson 30th Jan 2013, 07:37am

QUOTE (Ossie @ 30th Jan 2013, 06:08am) *
Who knows , maybe if the ugly sisters ever achieve their dream and move out of Scotland the game will recover in its own time.



laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 30th Jan 2013, 08:16am

Personally, I'd be surprised if this came to pass.....


Gordon Park (Daily Record): SFL Clubs ready to Veto SPL proposals

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SFL clubs are ready to veto SPL proposals for league reconstruction in favour of introducing four leagues of 12-12-10-10 when they gather at Hampden tomorrow. The SPL declared on Monday that their members had unanimously agreed to the 12-12-18 leaguestructure, which will also herald structural and financial changes to the game in Scotland.

But RecordSport understands top-flight chairmen will now give their backing to the growing number of lower league clubs who want to ditch the three-tier motion in favour of their own expanded format which would see two further clubs added to the senior ranks.

The mood of some SPL bosses is to wave through the wishes of SFL clubs to create a four-league structure as they attempt to agree a compromise which could be implemented this summer.

A 12-12-10-10 format is thought to be more palatable for bottom-rung clubs who find an 18-team basement unattractive.

St Mirren chairman Stewart Gilmour admitted he will consult with fans of his club on Thursday to gauge opinion.

He told supporters via the club’s website that even members of his own board are split on the best way forward.

He said: “Contrary to some media reports, no formal vote was taken although all the clubs have agreed to take this proposal forward to the SFL for further talks.

“We as a club and many other clubs will not vote until we know exactly what is on the table in front of us.

“This will not be clear until discussion between the SFL clubs takes place and they take their view on this proposal.”

Reconstruction plans could be rubber-stamped at a March summit.

But East Stirling chairman Tony Ford insists there’s plenty of talking to be done before they get close to a 75 percent majority vote needed for any reconstruction plans to be implemented.

He said: “We suspect there will be a few more plans put on the table. “We don’t like the league of 18 which is clearly too big.

“It’s a recipe for meaningless games and we are in the entertainment business so the league needs to be competitive.”

East Fife chairman Sid Collumbine last night categorically stated his club will not vote for any changes to be implemented ahead of next season.

He said: “We are in favour of reconstruction but not in time for next year.”


Posted by: Dave Grieve 30th Jan 2013, 08:27am

Seems better than the 12,12,18 the SPL want, I would also add playoffs to make the end of season even more exciting.

Also why cant the start the league campaign say at the end of March and finish in December

Posted by: hubert 1st Feb 2013, 03:48pm

Spiers on Sport: on league reform, we're all groping in the dark.
Graham Spiers.
Thursday 31 January 2013

Here is the blunt truth about the current league reconstruction debate in Scottish football. And it is a dangerous truth.

No-one with the power to change the game really knows which way to turn. There is no conviction. There is a very evident lack of certainty.

To paraphrase the scriptures, every one appears to be looking through smoky glass, seeing only smudgy, indistinct images on the other side.

Some want 12-12-18. Some want 16-10-16. Others want 14-14-14. Others still, with new clubs being added to the mix, want a pair of whopping 20s or even 22s.

Which one is right? Which solution will, if not lead Scottish football to the Promised Land, then at least take us out of this bitter harvest?

Among the powers that be – Neil Doncaster, Stewart Regan, some club chairmen, even long-time observing “hacks”, and I’ve spoken to them all – I’ve yet to come upon a voice of singular conviction.

What you hear constantly is that “there is an appetite for change in the game in Scotland”. Well, this is true, but only to a degree.

In fact, there are quite a few who could live with the current 12-10-10-10 set-up, and I’m among them.

For me, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if we had to plough our way through this current downturn in the Scottish game, until green shoots were seen again.

But that won’t happen. We are going to get change, because change is being demanded, whatever shape or form it takes. My point remains, right now I’m not convinced there is a strong enough consensus over what that change should be.

I’ll say it again: there are aspects about 12-12-18, despite its cumbersome arithmetic, which I like. I like the fact that it is aspirational: potentially four new clubs joining the top-12 each season, and four clubs gravitating from the bottom 18 to the middle 12.

I also like its financial distribution model, in which hundreds of thousands of pounds will be released – so it is alleged – from the top 12 to the lower clubs.

It may look confusing but there is much good in all of this. And Rangers – a successful, recovering, upwardly mobile Rangers – will be neither aided nor hindered by a switch to a 12-12-18 next season.

But the question remains about our top league: to stay small or go big?

Reading HeraldScotland’s League Reconstruction Dossier released this week, in which fans across the country are participating in the debate, it is perfectly obvious that this remains a sore point.

Most Scottish football fans appear to want a bigger top league: of 16 or 18 teams. Poll after poll appears to have confirmed this.

But what are the SPL and the SFL effectively doing? They are saying: “Now look chaps, we know you want a bigger top league, but we’re sorry, you don’t know what you are talking about, so this is it…”

The “it”, come hell or high water, appears to be a top league of 12. In a variation on an old theme, the fans are effectively being told to both put up AND shut up.

Then it comes to this (and it is a most unpopular stance): I believe the Old Firm have to be protected to a degree. And the only way to do that is to have them playing in a smaller - not a bigger - top league.

I say this with some caution, because across Scotland other fans are contemptuous of Rangers and Celtic. But these two clubs make up a huge chunk of the financing of the game in this country. To an extent they underwrite Scottish football, and they certainly drive the multi-million pound TV deals.

My heart doesn’t bleed for either half of the Glasgow divide, but I know their importance to Scottish football. Until football’s international borders are broken down, we need them, and we need to heed them.

As things stand, we are in a mess. I’d go for a 12-12-18 model next season because it is the best I can see so far. I don’t want a larger, “cannon-fodder” top league.

But I’m like everyone else. I’m far from convinced about it.

Posted by: ashfield 2nd Feb 2013, 05:06pm

I think that's a reasonable summation of how things are, particularly in respect of what Rangers and Celtic bring to the game and how they are percieved. What this, and other articles, miss is the deminishing interest in football amongst the Scottish population. Fewer people playing football, fewer people going to football, less money going into the game. It is a product in decline and no amount of dressing up will change that.

My opinion is that there are too many (professional?) clubs in Scotland, whoever is suggesting increasing the numbers in the SPL/SFL should be taken and locked in a quiet room until the fever passes rolleyes.gif As an interim position I would suggest two leagues of 16, with perhaps the creation of an intermediate (and self financing) league of teams made up from those left, augmented by teams from the South of Scotland, Highland, East of Scotland or even junior leagues. A system of promotion and relegaton could be agreed between this and the top league.

There is a smaller pot of money coming in to professional football, if this is not shared between a smaller number of professional clubs, the decline will continue.

What I'm suggesting won't ever happen of course, not until Turkey's vote for Christmas smile.gif

Posted by: Ossie 3rd Feb 2013, 12:11pm

Hi Ashfield, very good post . If folk hadn't deserted the game in their droves we wouldn't be having this debate. The reason, or reasons, ( for I don't believe it's any one factor ) must be addressed if we are to attract those folk back . Maybe more realistically we should acknowledge the fact that we will never attract the numbers of times past . Difficult times indeed.

Ossie.

Posted by: hubert 4th Feb 2013, 02:16am

Scottish Cup sixth round draw

Hamilton v Falkirk

Dundee v Dundee Utd

Kilmarnock v Hibernian

St Mirren v Celtic

Posted by: mitchell 4th Feb 2013, 10:52pm

Interesting games! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 7th Feb 2013, 11:10pm

Will this be the first SPL Club to reject 12-12-18 ?

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Ross County have had a meeting with fans tonight to discuss the restructuring proposals.


From Twitter:

''Ross County fans vote 95% against the proposed 12-12-18 league reconstruction''


Good to see. Hopefully the club will stand by their supporters wishes.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Feb 2013, 04:42pm

I see in today's Sun that the SFA were E-Mailing members of the Scotland supporters club offering them discounts on tickets for the Scotland V Italy rugby match at Murreyfield.



http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/4785959/Scrum-thing-wrong-here.html

How can the SFA promote another sport in direct competition to a full card of SPL and SFL fixtures?

I've said it before and i'll keep on saying it until he is gone.

How the F**@ is this BUFFOON (Regan) still in his job? angry.gif

Posted by: beth 9th Feb 2013, 04:59pm

Sorry about the situation JAGZ1876, but I am glad Murrayfield was so full. Wish I could have been there, it was a great game.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Feb 2013, 05:54pm

QUOTE (beth @ 9th Feb 2013, 05:16pm) *
Sorry about the situation JAGZ1876, but I am glad Murrayfield was so full. Wish I could have been there, it was a great game.


Nonsense Beth it's just 30 grown men chasing after an ostrich egg, not a proper sport at all tongue.gif

Posted by: beth 9th Feb 2013, 08:10pm

yeah, dream on tongue.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Feb 2013, 05:02pm

From one of today's red tops....

QUOTE
"SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster has revealed talks over finding a new sponsor for the league have stalled.

The contract the SPL has had with the Clydesdale Bank since 2007 expires in May. And, in an exclusive interview with Record Sport, Doncaster admits the indecision over league reconstruction has created a problem.

He said: “There’s uncertainty over what the league set-up will be next season and the market place doesn’t like uncertainty.

Doncaster is now asking for “consensus” when the 12 SPL clubs hold their latest round of talks at Hampden on Monday.

He said: “If we don’t get agreement then we have to stick with the status quo and that is what people appear to want least of all.

“Everyone appears to agree we need change to refresh the game, so we face stark choices on Monday.

“Either we go forward with 12-12-18 or we stick with what we’ve got.”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/talks-over-new-spl-sponsor-1556691

It's only a few short months since the media, particularly those residing within the BBC Scotland Sportscene studio, the Daily Record, Sunday Mail, The Herald, (and some on here) were assuring us that the SPL was at it's most competitive for years, competition was superb, the excitement was up and crowds were up (which just had to be the single biggest self-delusion of all). Above is an indication of the sad reality of it - sponsor disinterest, crowds down, and TV viewing figures plummeting into the basement. In addition, at present Celtic are 18 points ahead of second and Dundee are 15 points adrift of second bottom so the season was all but done in January.

The only surprise for those of us who predicted this would come to pass is that some people still pretend to be surprised. Others still, actually remain in denial.

Meanwhile Doncaster is reduced to issuing what amounts to no more than another round of shameful threats to member clubs to get them to comply with the nonsensical master plan that Lawwell, he and Regan cooked up, and hoped to push through before anyone had a chance to think it through properly, and to the complete disregard of the feelings of the fans. The same fans whose opinions were, we were assured, indispensible this time last year.

Someone should have told those same SPL fans who were supposed to flock to the game in their thousands, buying up hundreds more season tickets along the way, that sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 11th Feb 2013, 06:11am

I see the 'Forecaster Of Disaster' is back spinning his best Dr Gobbels type propanganda again

Posted by: ashfield 11th Feb 2013, 10:25am

Dave, I suppose it would too much to ask those who say it won't work to tell us what will rolleyes.gif

Oh aye, it will be whatever Charles Green said laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 11th Feb 2013, 12:46pm

I was under the impression we were supposed to be debating the facts and not resorting to petty name calling.

It always seems to be the same people who persist in the yah-boo stuff when confronted with facts to which they cannot offer a reasonable counter.

Posted by: jimmyd 15th Feb 2013, 03:00am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 10th Feb 2013, 06:19pm) *
From one of today's red tops....


http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/talks-over-new-spl-sponsor-1556691

It's only a few short months since the media, particularly those residing within the BBC Scotland Sportscene studio, the Daily Record, Sunday Mail, The Herald, (and some on here) were assuring us that the SPL was at it's most competitive for years, competition was superb, the excitement was up and crowds were up (which just had to be the single biggest self-delusion of all). Above is an indication of the sad reality of it - sponsor disinterest, crowds down, and TV viewing figures plummeting into the basement. In addition, at present Celtic are 18 points ahead of second and Dundee are 15 points adrift of second bottom so the season was all but done in January.

The only surprise for those of us who predicted this would come to pass is that some people still pretend to be surprised. Others still, actually remain in denial.

Meanwhile Doncaster is reduced to issuing what amounts to no more than another round of shameful threats to member clubs to get them to comply with the nonsensical master plan that Lawwell, he and Regan cooked up, and hoped to push through before anyone had a chance to think it through properly, and to the complete disregard of the feelings of the fans. The same fans whose opinions were, we were assured, indispensible this time last year.

Someone should have told those same SPL fans who were supposed to flock to the game in their thousands, buying up hundreds more season tickets along the way, that sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.


Fair comment Mathie ... Can I ask if you feel reconstruction is needed? and if so! I would be interested in your response to ashfields comment ... " Dave, I suppose it would too much to ask those who say it won't work to tell us what will ". Cheers Jimmy

Posted by: Dave Grieve 15th Feb 2013, 08:43am

QUOTE (jimmyd @ 15th Feb 2013, 04:17am) *
Fair comment Mathie ... Can I ask if you feel reconstruction is needed? and if so! I would be interested in your response to ashfields comment ... " Dave, I suppose it would too much to ask those who say it won't work to tell us what will ". Cheers Jimmy


Hi Jimmy like every body else who posts on the board I am not happy with the state Scottish football has got itself into, when I left Scotland over 40 years ago the population was just over 5 million as far as I know its more or less the same now, from a football supporting point of view in those days almost all the youngsters were physically active either playing fitba, running about chasing each other, jumping dykes and generally keeping active.
Todays youngsters preffer a more seddentary lifestyle where the the cell phone and things like Twitter and Facebook are their choice.
Because of that football attendances will continue to fall as the senior game has run out of ideas to change the game to make it more attractive to potential customers and that is what the average supporter is, a customer! seems to me Scottish football is the only business where the customers wishes are not concidered important enough the take heed of.

What I would do is
1. My preference a 16 team league playing each other home and away one time.

2. A return to the old league cup style (still used by FIFA) of sections.

3. Scottish Cup in its early rounds to be home and away ties.

4.The top two finishers in the highest league get entry into the champions league, providing Scotland still have two qualifiers of course.

5. Third and fourth place Europa cup.

6. I would create a British cup that the clubs placed five to twelve would be eligible for this would either be played on a home and away basis or in FIFA style sections to ensure maximum games for the clubs and interest for the fans.

7.The clubs finishing thirteen to sixteen would still be involved in meaningful games right to the end of the season as they would have been playing to avoid relegation and trying to qualify for the British Cup.

8. Every league would have playoffs to decide promotion relegation.

9. Most important of all I would change to summer football, this could be done in easy stages by moving the start of the season back by one month every year until the season was starting in
March and ending in December.

I know some people will shoot me down but living so far away I can look at the problem with a different viewpoint from those too close to the action

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Feb 2013, 11:20am

Hi Dave, i don't have time to go over all your points, but a 16 team top league would be preferable to 12 although i have posted earlier that i would have an 18 team top league.

Your point 4. It's UEFA's co-efficient that decides how many clubs qualify for the Champions League from the league's around Europe.

6. There is no interest in this type of competition (especially in England) in the 60's/70's the Texaco/Anglo-Scottish Cups died a death due to lack of interest.

9. i am coming around to the idea of Summer football, maybe it's because i'm getting old and feeling the cold more biggrin.gif

Although can anyone say for certain when the Scottish Summer starts?

Posted by: Mathieson 15th Feb 2013, 12:37pm

Butcher hits out at low crowds at ICT

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21471225

Inverness CT manager Terry Butcher says low crowds have caused him to question whether the Highland city deserves a team challenging for European football.

A crowd of 2,529 watched their 1-1 draw with Kilmarnock on Wednesday in poor weather conditions.

"I honestly don't know how much more we can do. We played some of the best football of the season," said Butcher.

"Does this city deserve a football team like we've got? I don't know."
Butcher is urging more fans to turn out, with his side currently sitting second in the Scottish Premier League table.

Inverness have the second-lowest average attendance in the SPL at 4,017 - higher only than St Johnstone and lower than fellow Highlanders, Ross County.

"I know it's difficult weather, but I don't know how much more we can do," said Butcher.

"We cannot do any more: second in the table, could have gone three points clear of our nearest rivals for second place with eight games to go before the split.""

Will this post escape the GG censors?

Posted by: Mathieson 15th Feb 2013, 02:37pm

From "twitter"....

Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug

Neil Lennon says #Celtic will approach UEFA for clarification on refs performance during Juventus game. #BBCSport


rolleyes.gif

Posted by: ashfield 15th Feb 2013, 03:23pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 15th Feb 2013, 12:37pm) *
Although can anyone say for certain when the Scottish Summer starts?


Aye, a couple of days before winter starts laugh.gif

Posted by: mitchell 16th Feb 2013, 12:55am

QUOTE
Neil Lennon says #Celtic will approach UEFA for clarification on refs performance during Juventus game. #BBCSport

Put it down to Ambroses jet lag. rolleyes.gif
Never in my life have I ever heard such bull, its only 11 hours and 45 mins.
I and many others have done the trip from Australia a few times with no problems, and we were in economy class.
To be honest he is not a good player, full stop.
Goodness me you would think that he was coming from Mars, let alone South Africa.

Posted by: Mathieson 16th Feb 2013, 12:21pm

http://www.talksport.co.uk/magazine/features/130215/top-20-best-supported-clubs-europe-revealed-where-does-your-clubs-averag-191763?p=8

Posted by: Ossie 16th Feb 2013, 12:37pm

QUOTE (mitchell @ 16th Feb 2013, 01:12am) *
Neil Lennon says #Celtic will approach UEFA for clarification on refs performance during Juventus game. #BBCSport

Put it down to Ambroses jet lag. rolleyes.gif
Never in my life have I ever heard such bull, its only 11 hours and 45 mins.
I and many others have done the trip from Australia a few times with no problems, and we were in economy class.
To be honest he is not a good player, full stop.
Goodness me you would think that he was coming from Mars, let alone South Africa.


Kind of agree with your comments to a point , ( think it's maybe on the wrong thread though ) . The bloke is a reasonable player , he's just not a central defender .


Ossie.

Posted by: mitchell 20th Feb 2013, 11:06pm

I see that Scotland's top two clubs stand to lose a million pounds if the SPL go ahead with this set up.
Celtic is one, but who is the other club?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Feb 2013, 02:02pm

QUOTE (mitchell @ 20th Feb 2013, 11:23pm) *
I see that Scotland's top two clubs stand to lose a million pounds if the SPL go ahead with this set up.
Celtic is one, but who is the other club?


The club that finishes second in the SPL.

Posted by: Mathieson 21st Feb 2013, 08:57pm

I hear that St Johnstone have released a twitter statement to say they won't be bothering to write to the SFA for "clarification" as to why they had two goals disallowed against celtic. laugh.gif

Posted by: Dimairt 26th Feb 2013, 02:10pm

A good-news story for Scottish Fitba.

Durachdan,

Eddy


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/bt-boost-for-scottish-football.20338825

Posted by: Doug1 26th Feb 2013, 02:50pm

Tonight sees Ross County visiting Aberdeen. Should be a good game and I naturally want to see a Staggie win which would take us up to the 3rd spot in the table just behind Caly Thistle albeit with the same points total of 41. Not bad considering a few weeks ago we were heading at speed towards the relegation zone

Posted by: Mathieson 26th Feb 2013, 08:11pm

QUOTE (Dimairt @ 26th Feb 2013, 03:27pm) *
A good-news story for Scottish Fitba.

Durachdan,

Eddy


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/bt-boost-for-scottish-football.20338825

Aye, Rangers save Scottish fitba from the third division.

Posted by: Doug1 28th Feb 2013, 10:58am

William McGregor was born in Perthshire in 1846 and first saw a football aged seven in his village of Braco
By 1888 he was 41 and owned a linen draper's store in Aston ("football jerseys always in stock")
He was attracted to Aston Villa by their link with the Aston Villa Wesleyan Chapel
Had numerous roles at Villa, including vice-president, vice-chairman, chairman and life member during a 34-year association with the club
First chairman of League Management Committee, chairman of Football Association 1888-94

While Sec of Aston villa he wrote a letter on 2nd March 1888 outlining the creation of league football, the rest as they say is history

Posted by: Mathieson 28th Feb 2013, 01:04pm

Rangers Statement

QUOTE
Charles Green, chief executive, issued the following statement.

“On behalf of the board of directors at Rangers, I note the findings of the Commission. It is abundantly clear from the ruling there was no attempt by Rangers Football Club to secure any unfair advantage or to cheat, as so many people asserted without giving any regard to the actual evidence.

“I would re-iterate that at no stage have I, nor anyone now involved in the running of this club, questioned the integrity of the Commission members. What I did question was the creation of a process which some people had predetermined. Every Rangers fan will be delighted that the Commission refused to get carried away on this agenda.

“It is a matter of fact that people within the SPL wanted me, at first, to surrender titles as part of a deal to enable Rangers to play again as a member of the SFA. I rejected and resisted that suggestion and today’s decision vindicates the position of the Board and the supporters. In particular, I would like to thank the Rangers Fans Fighting Fund for their dedication and commitment on this matter.

“It is fair to say that there was, at one stage, a very unhealthy desire to press on with an investigation into this matter when cool heads and clear thinking was required. Instead, there was a frenzied atmosphere around Rangers caused by the Club’s insolvency situation.

"This issue could have and should have been dealt with by the board of the SPL rather than embarking on an unnecessarily grand and expensive process. At the end of the day I am left with the impression that this has been much ado about very little and a great waste of energy, time and money.

I think I speak for all Rangers fans in saying now, enough is enough. I have said before and will say again it is time everyone moved on. There are considerable challenges ahead for this club and Scottish football as a whole.

"That is where all efforts and energy should now be focused. We, as a club, will work with all parties who have the good of the game at heart. We are looking forward and I urge all Rangers fans to do likewise. We are rebuilding this Club and are making great strides. The dark days are over and it is time now for all to embrace our ambition for a brighter future.”

Manager Ally McCoist said: “I am delighted in many ways by the decision today. As a former player, I know how hard it is to achieve success on the pitch and the suggestion that somehow Rangers sought to gain unfair advantage was deeply insulting to me and others who had worn the Rangers jersey with immense pride.

“I found the whole approach to this matter by the SPL utterly bizarre and misguided.

“Our fans will take great heart from this and hopefully now – after all that we have been through – there will be a widespread realisation that it is time to move on. Rangers have a huge amount to offer Scottish football and we have always been more than willing to do our bit for the good of the game.”

Posted by: ashfield 28th Feb 2013, 03:59pm

Another one bites the dust as John McGlynn leave Hearts "by mutual consent" rolleyes.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21614533


Posted by: Mathieson 2nd Mar 2013, 10:17pm

http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=198&fid=102&sty=2&act=1&mid=2114352894

Posted by: Mathieson 4th Mar 2013, 11:31pm

There seems to be a lot of turmoil over Tynecastle way these days. Romanov has resigned from his banking director role along with the rest of the directors. Not sure what it means for HMFC but it can't be good.

Posted by: Mathieson 5th Mar 2013, 11:21am

So who exactly thinks this guy is doing a good job?

QUOTE
Neil Doncaster sees salary increase by £28k to £200k despite game being in crisis

SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster pocketed a £28,000 pay rise last year – despite the Scottish game being in a critical state.

And furious fans last night hit out at the inflation-busting deal which saw his salary rocket from £172,000 to £200,000.

That rise was revealed in the company accounts and came despite a six per cent FALL in income from £22.7million to £21.4m.

Total payments to SPL clubs also decreased by £1.6m – a reduction of almost nine per cent.

Supporters were left outraged at Doncaster trousering the extra cash at a time of economic turmoil.

The filed accounts were for the year up to May 31 2012 and do not take into account Rangers’ drop out of the top league.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-spl-chief-neil-doncaster-1743449

Posted by: Mathieson 5th Mar 2013, 03:15pm

Worrying developments for Hearts fans....

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/216455-hearts-staff-told-club-could-go-into-administration/

Posted by: Dylan 7th Mar 2013, 11:16am

The future of Dunfermlin Athletic looks grim.

Yorkston was not very sympathetic or helpfull when Rangers found themselves in a similar situation.

However I have nothing but sympathy for the club and their supporters.

I know how they feel and I hope the SPL and SFA do their jobs and offer support to one of their members in trouble.

Best wishes and good luck The Pars.

Posted by: ashfield 17th Mar 2013, 05:51pm

Congratulations to St Mirren, 3-2 victor over Hearts in the League Cup final. I thought it was a good (not great) game with Hearts unlucky not to have been three up at half time. They were not the same team in the second half and paid for it.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 17th Mar 2013, 06:04pm

Well done to Danny and the boy's on their League Cup win and hard luck to the Jambo's, a most enjoyable final and i wouldn't have complained had it gone into extra time.

Both sets of fans were a credit to their team's giving them great backing with proper football songs.

Posted by: Dimairt 17th Mar 2013, 06:48pm

Congratulations to St. Mirren on a well-deserved win. It's worth noting too that it was a good game, there were some cracking goals, a thrilling finish with Hearts almost scoring at the end, a good crowd, lots of vocal backing from both sets of fans and all without the Ugly Sisters.
I was pleased to see Thompson score and win at Hampden - he's a Saints fan and their fans gave him a special round of applause when he was subbed.

Durachdan,

Eddy

Posted by: Dave Grieve 18th Mar 2013, 10:38am

Well done to the Saints and congratulations to all their supporters.

Read somewhere else that the last six cup finals have produced six different winners, if true bodes well for the local game.

Posted by: irrie 18th Mar 2013, 11:26am

Well done St Mirren and good luck to The Pars although things dont look so good.

Posted by: ashfield 26th Mar 2013, 06:31pm

Today's news is that Dunfermline are in administration, the most immediate consequence is folk losing their jobs and nobody wants to see that. As hard as it may seem, I still hold the view that we have too many professional clubs in Scotland and it will come down to survival of the fittest (or those who live within their means). I suspect the Pars will not be the last team in this position over the next few years.

Posted by: Mathieson 8th Apr 2013, 11:39am

St Mirren have this morning issued a statement to say they will reject the proposed reconstruction plan for next season on several grounds.
Ross County are expected to follow suit, if past comments are anything to go by.
If that happens then the SPL plans will surely be scuppered under the present voting structure.
What then, as Doncaster (and Regan) have already said there is no alternative?
Shambles? I'd say that's about right.
Having said that, I fully expect existing rules to be bent, twisted and even broken to get the desired result.

Posted by: jimmyd 9th Apr 2013, 11:39am

As per last year Mathie ....nuff said lol

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Apr 2013, 03:54pm

Congratulations to Celtic on reaching the final of the Scottish FA Cup in a thrilling and entertaining Semi Final, nobody thought this Semi would have had the drama of the first Semi but well done to both clubs for an entertaining 120 minutes especially Dundee United who came so close to winning with a squad that cost less than 2% of the budget that Celtic has to spend.

Both Semi's were a great advert for Scottish football, although the doom and gloom merchants will find something to complain about.

Posted by: Mathieson 15th Apr 2013, 11:41am

As a matter of interest, do you consider the many thousands of absent fans who could have filled the acres of empty seats at Hampden as "doom and gloom" merchants?
Or do you have another term for them?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Apr 2013, 12:54pm

No i don't, semi finals of the Scottish cup have generally only attracted 20 - 30,000 over the last decade or so even with the old firm involved, in fact a semi final from 2002 that i was at and i assume you were too when Rangers beat the Jags 3-0 was played to just over a half full stadium.

As for the weekend attendances, just under 23,000 was no more than i would have expected for a lunchtime kick off when Hibs played Falkirk, but for Celtic (with the greatest fans in the world, allegedly laugh.gif ) against Dundee United to pull in only 8,000 more is pretty poor.

No, the doom and gloom merchants i was referring to are your old buddies Regan and Doncaster who were telling anyone who was daft enough to listen how Scottish football "will die a long lingering death" this season if Charles Greens new club is only fast tracked into the fourth tier instead of the top or second tier of Scottish football, and they are at it again today if we don't accept their 12-12 18, split into 8-8-8, take away the first number you thought of bollocks.

Posted by: Mathieson 15th Apr 2013, 02:15pm

SPL statement

"At this morning's general meeting, all 12 Scottish Premier League clubs were present to consider proposals for restructuring of the Scottish professional game. The proposals would have delivered:

* an expansion of play-offs, creating more opportunities for promotion and relegation between divisions

* a single merged league with meaningful games at every level

* a pyramid structure for the entire game

* opportunities for materially increased revenues coming into the game

* substantial redistribution of revenues to lower league clubs

The proposals required 11 votes in favour to be approved. Ten votes in favour were received, with two against. The proposals were not therefore approved.

During the meeting, and in an effort to break the deadlock, an amendment to the League's rules on voting was proposed. This major and progressive change would have allowed future league structure to be determined by a 9-3 vote, rather than the current 11-1 majority.

"Prior to the meeting, a number of clubs had suggested that voting change would enable league structure change to be voted through. Unfortunately, this amendment was also defeated in principle on a show of hands, with the same two clubs voting against.

"The SPL board wishes to express its sincere thanks to every member of the SPL's Restructure Working Group and to Harper Macleod for their hard work over many months. The chief executive and his team have worked tirelessly over the last three years to bring about positive change in the SPL.

"The board would like to place on record its deep disappointment that proposals to benefit the entire game in Scotland have been blocked."

Surely Rhegan and Doncaster must go now.....

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Apr 2013, 02:31pm

Well done the Buddies and the Staggies thumbup.gif

Now, any chance that Doncaster and Regan tender their resignations, that really would make my day.

Posted by: Doug1 15th Apr 2013, 02:44pm

I'm a Staggie supporter but I dont support Roy MacGregor on this one. Asking the fans is fair enough but you cant speak to all your supporters, but besides that you have to try and look at the bigger picture and look at Scottish football overall

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Apr 2013, 03:21pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 15th Apr 2013, 03:01pm) *
I'm a Staggie supporter but I dont support Roy MacGregor on this one. Asking the fans is fair enough but you cant speak to all your supporters, but besides that you have to try and look at the bigger picture and look at Scottish football overall


And what makes you think the 12-12-18 would have benefited Scottish Football overall?

Posted by: Doug1 15th Apr 2013, 04:09pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 15th Apr 2013, 03:38pm) *
And what makes you think the 12-12-18 would have benefited Scottish Football overall?


Because everyone I know wants to see more teams playing in the present SPL, more variety etc

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Apr 2013, 04:43pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 15th Apr 2013, 04:26pm) *
Because everyone I know wants to see more teams playing in the present SPL, more variety etc


But Doug that's exactly what i've been asking for, for years.
There are currently 12 sides in the SPL, the proposals were for a..........wait for it.....a 12 team SPL!

Where is the more teams that you and everyone else you know want? Where is the Variety? it's just the same old tired stagnant set up we have at the moment.

Posted by: Guest 15th Apr 2013, 05:26pm

The numpties who are in charge of football should be getting their jotters as they are getting evertything wrong AGAIn. But I saw DOncaster on tv saying that the fans wanted the vote to be yes. no they did not. were did they say that because i never saw them,

Posted by: ashfield 15th Apr 2013, 05:28pm

I couldn't see the merits in the proposals at all, I'm guessing they were discussed with sponsors (who are, after all, the most important people in football now) and they were happy with the set up. In a previous post I offered my thoughts on an alternative, did either St Mirren or Ross County come up with their ideas for a new league arrangement?

Love the irony of the statement from Rangers, saying “The vast majority of supporters did not want 12-12-18 and the two clubs who voted against this should not be singled out for criticism. They stood up for what they and their fans believe.”

Quite right, we wouldn't want other clubs boycotting games or anything like that laugh.gif


Posted by: Doug1 15th Apr 2013, 05:56pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 15th Apr 2013, 05:00pm) *
But Doug that's exactly what i've been asking for, for years.
There are currently 12 sides in the SPL, the proposals were for a..........wait for it.....a 12 team SPL!

Where is the more teams that you and everyone else you know want? Where is the Variety? it's just the same old tired stagnant set up we have at the moment.


Sorry Jagz, you are of course completely correct. I seem to be in a confused state over this. Was the original structure not to be something like 15 + 12 +12, the 15 being in essence an expanded SPL. This is what I thought it was going to be. Unfortunately this is not a subject I have kept up to speed on perhaps I should have been paying more attention. Cheers

I

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Apr 2013, 09:00pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 15th Apr 2013, 05:45pm) *
I couldn't see the merits in the proposals at all, I'm guessing they were discussed with sponsors (who are, after all, the most important people in football now) and they were happy with the set up.


They couldn't have been doing it to keep sponsors happy Ash, as the sponsorship deal with the Clydesdale Bank ends this season and as yet they don't have another sponsor lined up for next season.

But never mind, as the good ship SPL goes down it's comforting to know that Captain (Calamity) Doncaster is busy rearranging the deckchairs mad.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 15th Apr 2013, 09:10pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 15th Apr 2013, 06:13pm) *
Sorry Jagz, you are of course completely correct. I seem to be in a confused state over this. Was the original structure not to be something like 15 + 12 +12, the 15 being in essence an expanded SPL. This is what I thought it was going to be. Unfortunately this is not a subject I have kept up to speed on perhaps I should have been paying more attention. Cheers

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That's alright Doug we all get into a confused state from time to time, but a 15 team top league would have one team sitting it out every week, even the incompetents at the SPL would have noticed that (i think) then again very little they do now surprises me.

Posted by: Doug1 15th Apr 2013, 10:23pm

Cheers Jagz thumbup.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 16th Apr 2013, 09:22am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 15th Apr 2013, 03:48pm) *
Well done the Buddies and the Staggies thumbup.gif

Now, any chance that Doncaster and Regan tender their resignations, that really would make my day.



Aye, right! laugh.gif

It won't be that when Lawwell sends Doncaster and Rhegan to Firhill to invite you into SPHell2. Your club will sell it's soul for the fabled extra money.

BTW, I understand that Thistle are still due £100,000 from Dundee United for compensation for pinching your manager. Good luck with that, as - sadly - I hear United are in dire straits.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 16th Apr 2013, 10:53am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 16th Apr 2013, 09:39am) *
Aye, right! laugh.gif

It won't be that when Lawwell sends Doncaster and Rhegan to Firhill to invite you into SPHell2. Your club will sell it's soul for the fabled extra money.

BTW, I understand that Thistle are still due £100,000 from Dundee United for compensation for pinching your manager. Good luck with that, as - sadly - I hear United are in dire straits.


Only time will tell, but i expect to be watching SPL football at Firhill next season anyway, although i will still be campaigning for a larger top tier as i did when we were last in the SPL.

What will you guy's do when Lawwell sends Doncaster and Regan to Ibrox to invite you into the SPHelL2?

Your club will sell it's soul for the fabled extra money.

Will you boycott home games as well as away games after Charlie Green bite's Lawwell's hand off to make up the black hole in his budget?

As for money owed by Dundee United, i would imagine we won't have to wait as long for any money due than Dundee United had to wait for their share of the cup tie receipts from Rangers (oldco) in fact wasn't it the Newco that paid them?

Posted by: Guest 18th Apr 2013, 05:25pm

How come all the fuss of Green being at St Mirren and the other managers blaming him for St Mirren's vote. Nobody said nothing when Lawel said he would be speaking to the Ross County manager to help him make his mind up. Whats the difference then.

Posted by: Doug1 18th Apr 2013, 05:41pm

This is just a long shot and not about Scottish football. I have a twitter follower from the USA who is looking for a photograph of George "Shino" Shenton, 1899 to 1978. He played for Port Vale from 1927 to 1936

I tried Google Images and thought I got one but she says that's PV another player. If anyone can help out I would be grateful, not urgent though !!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 18th Apr 2013, 07:16pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 18th Apr 2013, 05:58pm) *
This is just a long shot and not about Scottish football. I have a twitter follower from the USA who is looking for a photograph of George "Shino" Shenton, 1899 to 1978. He played for Port Vale from 1927 to 1936

I tried Google Images and thought I got one but she says that's PV another player. If anyone can help out I would be grateful, not urgent though !!


You could maybe try Port Vales website, or some of their supporters websites may be able to help you if you make an enquiry Doug.

Posted by: Doug1 18th Apr 2013, 09:18pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 18th Apr 2013, 07:33pm) *
You could maybe try Port Vales website, or some of their supporters websites may be able to help you if you make an enquiry Doug.


Thanks Jagz, I'm just off to work now but I'll give it a shot tomorrow, cheers

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Apr 2013, 03:04pm

The wheels on their house go round and round, round and round, round and round etc..........

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/clyde-set-quit-cumbernauld-move-1756455

After a special EGM yesterday 93% of the clubs owners voted to hitch the horse's up to the caravan once more as the Gypo's head for East Kilbride (watch for a rise in wheel trims and other non nailed down things going AWOL) still Cumbernauld may now lose it's ugliest town in Scotland tag tongue.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th May 2013, 04:08pm

The Kilmarnock V Hibs game was abandoned early in the second half after a fan took ill at pitch side.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-killie-game-abandoned-160052049.html


Posted by: Purplefan 5th May 2013, 08:22pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 21st Apr 2013, 03:21pm) *
The wheels on their house go round and round, round and round, round and round etc..........

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/clyde-set-quit-cumbernauld-move-1756455

After a special EGM yesterday 93% of the clubs owners voted to hitch the horse's up to the caravan once more as the Gypo's head for East Kilbride (watch for a rise in wheel trims and other non nailed down things going AWOL) still Cumbernauld may now lose it's ugliest town in Scotland tag tongue.gif



It would be a shame for Clyde to move to East kilbride. (A.K.A. Polo mint city)
I would prefer it if they moved in with Rutherglen glencairn at least they would be
back in their own part of Glasgow.
Would that be a first if they do go to Rutherglen
a senior club ground sharing with a Junior team?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 11th May 2013, 10:53am

I know it's not a Scottish football question, but why is the English cup final being held today?

Normally they wait until the end of the league season like we do.

Posted by: ashfield 14th May 2013, 08:32am

Well done Stuart McCall for getting the SPL award for Manager of the year, great job with limited resources biggrin.gif

Posted by: Dimairt 25th May 2013, 01:53pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 11th May 2013, 12:01pm) *
I know it's not a Scottish football question, but why is the English cup final being held today?

Normally they wait until the end of the league season like we do.



Why is the Scottish Cup Final being played on a Sunday? Why is the European Cup Final - giving my age away - being played on a Saturday? Television.
Is there any chance of football fans getting their game back? I'd like all league matches played at 3.00pm on a Saturday for a start.

Yours in grumpy old man mode,

Eddy


Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th May 2013, 04:58pm

QUOTE (Dimairt @ 25th May 2013, 02:01pm) *
Why is the Scottish Cup Final being played on a Sunday? Why is the European Cup Final - giving my age away - being played on a Saturday? Television.
Is there any chance of football fans getting their game back? I'd like all league matches played at 3.00pm on a Saturday for a start.

Yours in grumpy old man mode,

Eddy


Obviously the SFA don't want our cup final clashing with the Champions League final (they don't want to take the attention away from Wembley tongue.gif ) which obvious answers my English cup final query of two weeks ago.

I hate the close season, roll on the first game of the season.

Another grumpy old man. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 13th Jun 2013, 11:45am

The board of Heart of Midlothian plc today outlines the club's current financial position and hopes that all supporters become fully informed of the situation the club is facing.

Due to recent unexpected circumstances away from Tynecastle, the club is now experiencing a shortfall in funding.This shortfall, due to recent uncertainty, has created a significant noticeable blockage in projected revenue streams for the club.

While this hesitation is understandable it is unwittingly damaging the club's current efforts to improve its financial situation including current payments to HMRC and raising doubts over future payments to players and staff.

It is now crucial to the football club that we find a solution to bring in enough finance to allow us to trade into the new season when normal trading can resume with the benefit of SPL and game-related income streams. The payments to HMRC and players/staff salaries are the most important issues in our focus these days where very limited time remains available to the club.

However given that the revenues for season tickets has dried up and no other realistic income is available quickly enough, the club will consider offers for the players of the current squad, including the most promising talent in order for the most necessary and important payments to be made. The board had planned to bring income in through the sale of players while considering the financial forecast for next season but now this will need to happen much earlier in order to preserve the business. We understand that this will lead to significant on-field pressure but at all times we must consider the health of the club and preserve it for future generations.

We will adjust our expectations for the new season accordingly but will still be focused on the playing side of the business. Our financial deficit can, in part, be attributed to our worst league finish in over 30 years last season. This had a significant direct impact on the business. Other factors that hit revenues include the absence of Rangers Football Club from the SPL and significantly increased stadium costs particularly in relation to the Main Stand.


The biggest threat to the club at present however is hesitation and inaction. We hope that those supporters who have purposely held off will reconsider and make the decision to back the club in the best way possible in order that we can meet our targets.

Provided we can achieve security for the club, it is the view of the board that there is a viable strategy for the change of ownership to a willing buyer or investor.

The most difficult part in this is finding an agreement with the creditors, however we know that there is goodwill with Ukio Bankas, as demonstrated by the statement from the Ukio Bankas administrator yesterday. We also believe that UBIG remains supportive of Hearts.

We will be regularly updating you as the situation develops.

Posted by: Mathieson 14th Jun 2013, 07:10am

Annan Athletic chairman calls it like it is.
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Annan chairman Henry McClelland last night pointed the finger at the SFA amid accusations of collusion with the SPL, who have refused point blank to allow independent auditors to examine their books and give SFL clubs the comfort of full due diligence. A form of due diligence, conducted by the SFA, was finally sent to SFL clubs on Monday night – 36 hours before today’s vote, the most significant in the history of the organisation.

McClelland also rounded on First Division clubs and slammed them for selling out on lower league clubs, who are set to be up to 25 per cent worse off under the new system. He also insisted their moral authority, which SFL clubs claimed last summer when they refused to parachute Rangers into the First Division, has now been blown out of the water. McClelland said: “I only hope the conscience of the First Division clubs is clear. They have shafted their peers in the second and third division, who have done nothing wrong whatsoever.

“The "sporting integrity" shown 12 months ago has gone for good, ended by the shameful way they have handled this process. The SFA also have a lot of questions to answer. SFL chief executive David Longmuir asked the SPL twice for an independent organisation such as KPMG to conduct due diligence on their company ahead of a potential merger and was refused. Suddenly, on Monday evening, a document dropped through on email from the SFA, authorised for release by the SPL.

It contained partial due diligence on the SPL’s finances conducted by the SFA. The SFA made it clear in the document released they could not be held responsible for errors and omissions and it was not independent. This is one of the biggest decisions facing Scottish football since 10 clubs broke away to form the SPL 15 years ago and yet the SFA, an organisation of which we are members, have not acted fairly.

They should have taken a step back and urged the SPL to slow down and not be in such a rush to pressure SFL clubs to accept unrealistic timescales and argued for a phased introduction instead. They are complicit in all of this.”

Scottish fitba is doomed under the "guidance" of the likes of Rhegan and Doncaster.

Posted by: Mathieson 14th Jun 2013, 08:02am

Personally, I think Doncaster is a stick-on for this top job at the "new" SPFL as, along with Rhegan, he is already well steeped in the corrupt, blackmailing ways of football administration as it currently exists in this country.
The fact that the corrupt cabal have already dismissed Longmuir as a "Rangers man" just for refusing to be bullied and blackmailed by Lawwell, Doncaster and Co says it all for me.
I hope I am wrong though as, for the sake of Scottish fitba, and as naive as he obviously was in dealing with these people, Longmuir is infinitely more honest and trustworthy than the whole lot of the cabal put together.


Doncaster for top job?
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THE chief executive of the Scottish Premier League, Neil Doncaster, has refused to declare himself as a candidate to take over the running of the Scottish Professional Football League.

The new governing body will officially come into existence on June 27 when there is a formal merger of the SPL and the Scottish Football League at a meeting of all 42 member clubs. Chief executives themselves cannot be merged, of course, and that means either Doncaster or the SFL's David Longmuir will miss out. Unless the yet-to-be-formed nine-man board of directors decides to appoint someone entirely different, that is.

Doncaster is seen as the frontrunner but declined to publicly state his case yesterday. "I think it's very easy to make this about individuals and it mustn't be," he said. "This must be about what is in the best interests of the 42 clubs. Ultimately, decisions on such matters will be left to the board and that will be decided on June 27. This must not be about individuals, and anyone who tries to take it down that line should know that it should absolutely be about the board, on the day, making their decision.

"I understand the interest [from the public in who gets the job]. I understand that you've got two sets of staff. But that is why it is absolutely essential that we don't try to pre-empt anything and that those decisions are made by the new board, as and when they are appointed."

On Wednesday, the SFL members voted their organisation out of existence, some reluctantly, to give birth to the SPFL. Doncaster's urge to present that as a new dawn for Scottish football – another one, that is – was soon compromised by the news of Hearts' latest crisis. He refused to let it eclipse the previous day's historic vote.

"I don't think it takes away from the importance of the decision taken yesterday. Following the unanimous agreement of the SPL clubs, yesterday was a momentous day. It has been long recognised by most people, certainly by supporters, but also recognised by sponsors, that what Henry McLeish recommended in his independent review of the Scottish game – one league body – should be put in place."

Some have described the "merger" as more of a takeover by the SPL. "I do see it as a merger between the two bodies," said Doncaster. "You will have representation from all 42 clubs, each club having one vote within the set-up. You will have representation for all those professional clubs. So, absolutely, it is a merger: a single league representing all professional clubs."

It will be at that meeting of the 42 clubs on June 27 that a new nine-man board will be established, with a chief executive, a chairman and one independent director, three representatives from the SPL, two from the First Division, and one to represent all of the Second and Third Division clubs. That meeting will address numerous other issues including the names of the four divisions next season – expected to be the Premiership, Championship, League One and League Two – and even what trophies they will contest.

It is believed the current sponsor of divisions one, two and three, Irn Bru, may be interested in extending its deal to cover the new four-division system. The top flight now has no title sponsor after the end of Clydesdale Bank's backing. "I've spent my season in football refusing to make predictions about anything, I believe that's the right approach," said Doncaster. "Let's continue to work with those people who have expressed an interest in working with professional football and see where we go."

Posted by: Mathieson 20th Jun 2013, 12:13pm

Hearts may NOT see out the summerBy ROBERT MARTIN
Published: 13 hrs ago
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BRYAN JACKSON last night warned Hearts will die unless he can find enough cash to get them through the next few weeks.
Jackson and BDO have been handed the task of trying to save the Jambos after they entered administration yesterday.

He said: “This is a huge task. Hearts is a huge club and we all know from reading the press over the past few weeks that we are starting from a negative situation where people haven’t been paid. The cash flow is negative.”

Jackson, who has been performing a similar role at Dunfermline, raced to Edinburgh yesterday afternoon to start work.

He held meetings with managing director David Southern and finance manager Fiona Sinclair to try and get a grasp on the club’s finances.

With the club’s season ticket money already all spent by the previous regime, Jackson urgently needs to find new money to ensure the club keeps going.

He added: “It’s the worst month of the year because there is no income just now.

“Season ticket sales have been underway, but there is a problem utilising that money.

“We’ve a real problem in terms of how we are going to fund the club over the next two months.

“We need to get through June. In July there will be a few friendlies hopefully, and then we’ll get into the season.

“But right now there’s a real cash flow problem and we need to look at ways around that.

“I’m in the hands of other people in these situations. If there are no buyers or funding or the fans don’t come out and support in every way, then we can’t continue because we can’t keep the doors open.”[/b][i]
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I can't understand for the life of me, just what all the fuss is about.
This club should be killed off now - without delay.
They have wilfully failed to pay tax and have been buying players when everyone and their dog knew they had no money and were living beyond their means. Surely this means they were insolvent and that they were not conforming to the spirit of good old-fashioned "sporting integrity" that the SPL is founded upon.
What good is a tranfer embargo when they haven't a pot to pee in and have even put their entire existing squad up for sale?
I say pound them with fines, with relegation, then some more fines until they realise it's all for their own good, and while we are at it, steal back their Scottish Cups which were obviously "won" at a time they were benefitting from their tax evasion (add in penalties and interest and their tax bill rockets to £250million!! Think of the schools and hospitals THAT could have bought!!) and the concealment of their insolvency.

John Brown, the Dundee FC manager is quite correct to sound off against them. They have been insolvent for months and the SPL and SFA knew it but were complicit in concealing the true state of affairs. Surely the SFA and SPL should be promoting "Sporting Integrity" and not trampling all over it? If justice had been done Hearts would have been relagated and Dundee remained in the SPL so that they could help maintain the great run of "Sell Out Saturdays" that we witnessed in last season's SPL.
This evil empire from the east must be shut down without question!
Come on fitba fans of Scotland, let's see this is done!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 20th Jun 2013, 12:48pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 20th Jun 2013, 12:21pm) *
This club should be killed off now - without delay.


They would only rise from the grave to be reborn in the 3rd division, debt free and history intact yes.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 21st Jun 2013, 07:56am

History? What history? laugh.gif

Posted by: CAT 21st Jun 2013, 09:02am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 20th Jun 2013, 12:21pm)
This club should be killed off now - without delay.

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 20th Jun 2013, 12:56pm) *
They would only rise from the grave to be reborn in the 3rd division, debt free and history intact yes.gif

Can anyone tell me the meaning of Irony tongue.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Jun 2013, 09:13am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 21st Jun 2013, 08:04am) *
History? What history? laugh.gif



A long history that goes back to the year after the club you claim to support.

The ignorance and arrogance of certain sections of the old firm is almost unmatched in World football.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Jun 2013, 09:15am

QUOTE (CAT @ 21st Jun 2013, 09:10am) *
QUOTE (Mathieson @ 20th Jun 2013, 12:21pm)
This club should be killed off now - without delay.


Can anyone tell me the meaning of Irony tongue.gif


More to the point, can anyone explain the meaning of irony to Mathieson Cat laugh.gif

Posted by: Jim D 21st Jun 2013, 10:44pm

Yes, let them go to the wall and come back as a new company. Never mind the other UK tax payers! It's a farce!

Posted by: Mathieson 24th Jun 2013, 07:23am

QUOTE (CAT @ 21st Jun 2013, 10:10am) *
QUOTE (Mathieson @ 20th Jun 2013, 12:21pm)
This club should be killed off now - without delay.

Can anyone tell me the meaning of Irony tongue.gif



Under the circumstances CAT, you'd have been better off asking for the meaning of sarcasm! laugh.gif It was virtually certain I would have hooked the jaggy tim with that one but you were an unexpected bonus.


Posted by: Mathieson 24th Jun 2013, 07:24am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 21st Jun 2013, 10:23am) *
More to the point, can anyone explain the meaning of irony to Mathieson Cat laugh.gif




"Irony"? Isn't that what you do to your "shirty" before you go "outy"?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Jun 2013, 08:00am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 24th Jun 2013, 07:31am) *
I would have hooked the jaggy tim


If yer no wan o us yer wan o them blink.gif

The playground logic of the scourge of Scottish society yes.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 24th Jun 2013, 09:23am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Jun 2013, 09:08am) *
If yer no wan o us yer wan o them blink.gif

The playground logic of the scourge of Scottish society yes.gif


You leap like a hungry salmon every time. thumbup.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 24th Jun 2013, 09:28am

Anyhoo, back to the matter in hand....


With reference to the situation that exists with Hearts, some serious questions.....


Where are all the affirmations that they were cheating by fielding players they couldn't afford whilst failing to pay HMRC?
Why isn't the reported sum they allegedly owe HMRC wildly doubling and tripling by the week to telephone number proportions to include "interest" and "penalties"?
What about the wild reports of the number of schools and hospitals that could have been built if only they'd paid their taxes?
Why no threats (demands) to have their Scottish Cup forfeited for "cheating"?
Where is their fine for bringing the game into disrepute, or for anything else for that matter?
Why no enquiry to ascertain just exactly when they really did become insolvent, and further ascertain as to whether they were deceiving the authorities to escape punishment?
Why no enquiry to establish if others were complicit in any such deception (as is widely suspected)?
Why was the announcement of the true severity of their financial situation kept quiet until the day after the SFL vote on reconstruction?
Why no demands that someone at Hearts show some "contrition" and further demands for an apology? (And then if an apology is made, you can throw it back in their faces because the truth is it will never, ever be enough!)
Why a complete and uncharacteristic silence, as well as a complete absence of condemnation, from DUFC's Stephen Thomson and Aberdeen's Stuart Milne, chief among others?
Where are the costly, agenda-driven, Mark Daly of BBC Scotland documentaries on the situation?
Where are the BBC Scotland graphics/animations seeking to mock the situation of the Hearts manager?
Where are all the hate-filled blogs and hostile newspaper articles?
Where are the demands they be kicked out of football for crimes akin to match-fixing?


The hypocrisy in reaction to the Rangers situation and that of Hearts is nothing short of astonishing, yet some maintain there was no agenda against Rangers.

Posted by: Mathieson 1st Jul 2013, 11:55am

Hot on the heels of the astonishing pay increases awarded to both Stewart Rheagan of the SFA and Neil Doncaster of the SPL, today it's been revealed that the SFL's David Longmuir has been awarded a £100,000 bonus!
Even more astonishing is the news that the members of the SFL board were not aware of the existence of the award until it was exposed on Thursday!

The game in this country is a complete and utter joke and these devious charlatans, the very same people who have brought us to this situation, are being rewarded with obscene amounts of money!

This "new" SPFL is just the same old mob with a slightly different label. I would love to know just how the Hell these corrupt duds going to get us out of the mess we are in before it's too late.

Posted by: CAT 1st Jul 2013, 03:54pm

Mathieson sounds like you could be talking about Glasgow City council. Sounds like the same sort of shinanigans that goes on at George Square. ohmy.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 2nd Jul 2013, 11:48am

Hmmm, next thing is somebody will be suggesting that there's something coincidental with the make-up up the cabal running Scottish fitba with the cabal running Glesga Cooncil.....

Posted by: CAT 2nd Jul 2013, 01:45pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 2nd Jul 2013, 11:56am) *
Hmmm, next thing is somebody will be suggesting that there's something coincidental with the make-up up the cabal running Scottish fitba with the cabal running Glesga Cooncil.....

Well they are 2 elected bodies with the majority being male who have absolutly no self interest whatsover and are only there for the good of those they represent tongue.gif

Posted by: Tennscot 3rd Jul 2013, 04:09am

I know it`s only a dream, but if every game in Scotland had no customers for one week ,would the mob at the SPFL Take notice and do something about the Trough feeders before the whole takeover goes belly up. IMO that lot couldn`t run a brothel on an Aircraft Carrier.

Posted by: Mathieson 3rd Jul 2013, 11:43am

QUOTE (CAT @ 2nd Jul 2013, 02:53pm) *
Well they are 2 elected bodies with the majority being male who have absolutly no self interest whatsover and are only there for the good of those they represent tongue.gif


Aye, let's just go with that.... biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 3rd Jul 2013, 11:51am

QUOTE (Tennscot @ 3rd Jul 2013, 05:17am) *
I know it`s only a dream, but if every game in Scotland had no customers for one week ,would the mob at the SPFL Take notice and do something about the Trough feeders before the whole takeover goes belly up. IMO that lot couldn`t run a brothel on an Aircraft Carrier.



It's getting like that already but not through any organised boycott, just plain old-fashioned apathy at the state of the game.
The only grounds near capacity are Ibrox and the away matches Rangers play. The SPL shit in the nest and they are now reaping their just desserts.
Their attendances are significantly down as are their TV viewing figures. (Who mentioned "Sell-out Saturdays"? rolleyes.gif
These are facts that are not lost on sponsors and revenues from those sources are fast dwindling.
In addition the national team is a joke.
Rheagan and Doncaster have presided over the whole sorry story and it looks like they ain't removing themselves any time soon. And nor would you expect them to with the money they are pulling in for themselves.

Posted by: Mathieson 4th Jul 2013, 07:58am

So Neil Doncaster, the man who takes credit for overseeing the demise of the SPL gets the gig at the rebranded version now known as the SPFL?

What a surprise - NOT!

The man is a complete and utter dud but was always a certainty for the job because he knew where all the bodies were buried from past SPL corrupt activity.

And all the while a compliant press raise not a murmur.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 4th Jul 2013, 12:49pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 4th Jul 2013, 08:06am) *
So Neil Doncaster, the man who takes credit for overseeing the demise of the SPL gets the gig at the rebranded version now known as the SPFL?

What a surprise - NOT!

The man is a complete and utter dud but was always a certainty for the job because he knew where all the bodies were buried from past SPL corrupt activity.

And all the while a compliant press raise not a murmur.


Hear hear.

Posted by: Mathieson 5th Jul 2013, 10:49am

Neil Doncaster is braying in The Celtic View, erm, The Daily Record that he has signed up Scottish fitba to a nine year TV deal.
Now call me old fashioned, but is it wise to commit to a nine year deal in a buyer's market at a time when when your product is at a very low ebb?
Time will tell I suppose...



BTW, I noticed that once again an actual £s figure was missing....

Posted by: Tennscot 5th Jul 2013, 05:16pm

Under current conditions I would say it was/is an extremely bad deal to tie SPFL into a 9 year deal. As the song sez..."Where Are The Clowns" rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Jul 2013, 05:31pm

QUOTE (Tennscot @ 5th Jul 2013, 05:24pm) *
As the song sez..."Where Are The Clowns" rolleyes.gif


Don't bother, they're here. (Regan & Doncaster) tongue.gif

Posted by: Tennscot 5th Jul 2013, 10:06pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 5th Jul 2013, 05:39pm) *
Don't bother, they're here. (Regan & Doncaster) tongue.gif

Eggs actly whit I meant. thumbup.gif I knew the readers had enough smarts tae get it. They`re Song is I`m lookin over a four leafed Clover. biggrin.gif

Posted by: mitchell 5th Jul 2013, 11:25pm

Aye Jim they should be getting the 4 leaf cleaver the both of them! biggrin.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 6th Jul 2013, 11:50am

QUOTE (Tennscot @ 5th Jul 2013, 10:14pm) *
Eggs actly whit I meant. thumbup.gif I knew the readers had enough smarts tae get it.


I couldn't help but sing along laugh.gif

Posted by: Dylan 6th Jul 2013, 12:09pm

So Doncaster has sold 7 years of " Old Firm " Games. !

I wonder for how much . ???

Posted by: Purplefan 7th Jul 2013, 03:37pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23215676

I know this is off topic, but these guys are holding the world cup next year and officials
are carrying knifes?

Football spectators in northern Brazil decapitated a referee after he fatally stabbed a player for refusing to leave the pitch, officials say.

An angry mob stormed the field during the amateur game in the state of Maranhao and stoned Otavio da Silva to death before severing his head.

Police said the murder was in retaliation for Mr Silva stabbing player Josenir dos Santos.

Posted by: Tennscot 9th Jul 2013, 09:32pm

I just visited the Celtic site on GG. It`s a lonely place. like an echo chamber. ??? Could it be that every one is interested in Rangers . It seem that every Rangers story I read then check the comments it`s like 60% Celtic minded and 40% Rangers minded. Uch well it`s nice to know that they`ll be able to use the new Rangers App on their smart phone to get their picture taken alongside their Fav. Rangers player biggrin.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 10th Jul 2013, 11:37am

I think the gaff's been blown on the idea that any of them were real fitba fans.


Posted by: Jim D 10th Jul 2013, 02:16pm

Tennscot, All quiet on the Celtic front. Not much happening. They're just preparing for their 1st european tie of the season and getting people fit by taking a wee trip over to Germany for some practice games.

Just another day for a big club.

Posted by: Dylan 10th Jul 2013, 02:23pm

What was the Score in Germany JD ?

Posted by: Tennscot 10th Jul 2013, 03:53pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 10th Jul 2013, 02:31pm) *
What was the Score in Germany JD ?

Germans 6, Celtic 2,

Posted by: Dylan 10th Jul 2013, 05:34pm

Away ! no kiddin.??

These top German Bundesliga Teams are the real deal.

Posted by: Tennscot 10th Jul 2013, 10:05pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 10th Jul 2013, 05:42pm) *
Away ! no kiddin.??

These top German Bundesliga Teams are the real deal. 2nd Division. Sound familiar!!!!


Posted by: Dylan 10th Jul 2013, 10:33pm

Same as us ?

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Jul 2013, 02:18pm

http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/hibs-legend-lawrie-reilly-dies-at-84-1-3009339

Posted by: Purplefan 22nd Jul 2013, 03:14pm

Anyone going to wembley next month?

Posted by: Doug1 22nd Jul 2013, 03:25pm

Wow, how time flies by. A week on Friday our first SPL match of the season when Partick Thistle host Dundee United. Good luck to Thistle in the SPL

Posted by: Purplefan 22nd Jul 2013, 04:16pm

I wonder if the jags will be on the telly?

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Jul 2013, 04:17pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 22nd Jul 2013, 03:26pm) *
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/top-stories/hibs-legend-lawrie-reilly-dies-at-84-1-3009339



Lawrie Reilly dies.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Jul 2013, 05:16pm

QUOTE (Purplefan @ 22nd Jul 2013, 04:24pm) *
I wonder if the jags will be on the telly?



Purplefan, will you read things properly, the Thistle tread #481 reads as follows


Both of our opening home league fixtures of season 2013-2014 have been moved for live TV coverage.

Thistle and Dundee United will kick the new season off at Firhill on Friday August 2nd in a game covered live by BT Sport. Kick-off is 7:45pm.

A fortnight later our home game with Hearts moves from the Saturday to Friday August 16th. This time the game will be covered live by BBC Alba and kick-off is, again, 7:45pm.

You posted two posts later that we were playing Queens park in the League cup.

Go to Specsavers PF tongue.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Jul 2013, 05:20pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 22nd Jul 2013, 04:25pm) *
Lawrie Reilly dies.


Sad, i heard a lot about him but he was just before my time so i never got a chance to see him play.

RIP Lawrie.

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Jul 2013, 05:29pm

Och, ye're jist a laddie!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Famous_Five_%28football%29

Posted by: Dylan 22nd Jul 2013, 07:15pm

QUOTE (Purplefan @ 22nd Jul 2013, 03:22pm) *
Anyone going to wembley next month?



Yes, my Son and his Pal are in Tartan Army.

Four of us including SIL who lives in Engerlund.

Tickets sorted.

This will take me back as I have been to 10 Wembulees.!!.

I suspect I will drink rather less this time round. ?

Posted by: Dylan 22nd Jul 2013, 07:18pm



RIP Lawrie.

Seen him play for Hibs and Scotland

A boyhood hero.

RIP.

Posted by: Mathieson 22nd Jul 2013, 08:16pm

Had the pleasure of meeting Lawrie several y.ears ago. A true gent.
RIP



On happier note , was at Wembley in '77.
Great occasion

Posted by: Dylan 22nd Jul 2013, 08:22pm

I was also there Pal, pitch invader !

Got 3/1 Scotland !!.

Few bevvies partaken .


Posted by: Mathieson 22nd Jul 2013, 08:31pm

Was in the England end but at least 50% were Scots. Even shared our cairry-oot with some English!
Don't tell wee davy, jaggy tim and co!
laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Jul 2013, 08:42pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 22nd Jul 2013, 08:39pm) *
Was in the England end but at least 50% were Scots. Even shared our cairry-oot with some English!
Don't tell wee davy, jaggy tim and co!
laugh.gif

Too late you already have, but i was at Euro 96 England V Scotland with that jammy goal from Gazza with two of my English brother in laws, not one of my favourite football memories, but i beat them at drinking on the train back and was the last man standing at the taxi rank at Darlington railway station that night thumbup.gif


Posted by: Purplefan 22nd Jul 2013, 08:50pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd Jul 2013, 05:24pm) *
Purplefan, will you read things properly, the Thistle tread #481 reads as follows


Both of our opening home league fixtures of season 2013-2014 have been moved for live TV coverage.

Thistle and Dundee United will kick the new season off at Firhill on Friday August 2nd in a game covered live by BT Sport. Kick-off is 7:45pm.

A fortnight later our home game with Hearts moves from the Saturday to Friday August 16th. This time the game will be covered live by BBC Alba and kick-off is, again, 7:45pm.

You posted two posts later that we were playing Queens park in the League cup.

Go to Specsavers PF tongue.gif


Sorry. But great news.

Posted by: Mathieson 22nd Jul 2013, 09:02pm

laugh.gif Euro 96 when present Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill was lifted for being drunk and incapable?

Dae ye ken whae a um, offisher?

Posted by: Dylan 23rd Jul 2013, 11:40am

Is this the same guy who wants minimum pricing to discourage irresponsible drinking ?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Jul 2013, 11:42am

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 22nd Jul 2013, 09:10pm) *
laugh.gif Euro 96 when present Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill was lifted for being drunk and incapable?

Dae ye ken whae a um, offisher?


At least he didn't assault a London bobby like Lord (of the drunken dance) George Foulkes or assault three MP's including headbutting one in a bar in Westminster and smashing a window in a door whilst resisting arrest being removed by police then doing the same thing again a year later like Eric (who ur you lookin' at) Joyce laugh.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 23rd Jul 2013, 12:57pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Jul 2013, 12:50pm) *
At least he didn't assault a London bobby like Lord (of the drunken dance) George Foulkes or assault three MP's including headbutting one in a bar in Westminster and smashing a window in a door whilst resisting arrest being removed by police then doing the same thing again a year later like Eric (who ur you lookin' at) Joyce


huh.gif So what? Who's excusing or defending those two? One doesn't excuse the other you know. laugh.gif

There you go again! Calm doon man, we're talking aboot fitba here! thumbup.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 23rd Jul 2013, 12:58pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 23rd Jul 2013, 12:48pm) *
Is this the same guy who wants minimum pricing to discourage irresponsible drinking ?


Aye, but no' for him! laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Jul 2013, 02:34pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 23rd Jul 2013, 01:05pm) *
huh.gif So what? Who's excusing or defending those two? One doesn't excuse the other you know.

There you go again! Calm doon man, we're talking aboot fitba here!


So why did you mention Kenny MacKaskill on a fitba thread? huh.gif

You really are the King of contradiction yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Jul 2013, 02:35pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 23rd Jul 2013, 01:06pm) *
Aye, but no' for him! laugh.gif


There you go again! Calm doon man, we're talking aboot fitba here! thumbup.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 23rd Jul 2013, 05:46pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Jul 2013, 03:42pm) *
So why did you mention Kenny MacKaskill on a fitba thread?

You really are the King of contradiction


Helllllooooooo! Are you really so obtuse? biggrin.gif

We were talking about Scotland/England matches and MacAskill was lifted AT A SCOTLAND/ENGLAND MATCH for being drunk and disorderly (he was actually detained in the cells for the duration of the match till he sobered up a bit laugh.gif ). Hence the reference....

So why the need for you to bring Foulkes and Joyce into it?

Was Foulkes lifted at a Scotland/England game? Er, no!
Was Joyce lifted at a Scotland/England? Er, no?

Do I give a tupenny damn about those two jokers in any way, far less the way you obviously slaver over Kenny Mac? Er, nor!

Does their idiocy in any way excuse MacAskill's? Er, NO!

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Posted by: Dylan 23rd Jul 2013, 06:02pm

The self appointed editorial staff reserve the right to tell you what to post and their decision on what is and is not funny is final.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Jul 2013, 06:13pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 23rd Jul 2013, 05:54pm) *
[This text removed by GG.]


Pity i missed it, i'm sure you took Buffoonery to a whole new low level.

Congratulations thumbup.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 23rd Jul 2013, 06:30pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 23rd Jul 2013, 06:54pm) *


[This text removed by GG.]


Calm down JT. It was a mere comment about the contrast in Revis Beauregard's rather robust early style and your perpetually thin-skinned approach. Your following post (#284) just summed my point up nicely though! thumbup.gif



PS - Sorry GG, but I didn't think it was that bad. unsure.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Jul 2013, 06:33pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 23rd Jul 2013, 06:38pm) *
PS - Sorry GG, but I didn't think it was that bad. unsure.gif biggrin.gif


I bet it wasn't, but GG probably thought he'd save you anymore embarrassment yes.gif

Posted by: Mathieson 23rd Jul 2013, 07:16pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 23rd Jul 2013, 07:41pm) *
I bet it wasn't, but GG probably thought he'd save you anymore embarrassment yes.gif


I think he was saving yours actually....... laugh.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 23rd Jul 2013, 08:35pm

QUOTE (Mathieson @ 23rd Jul 2013, 07:24pm) *
I think he was saving yours actually....... laugh.gif


Oh dear unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 1st Aug 2013, 06:20pm

FC Minsk 0 V 1 ST Johnstone. Well done the Saints another great away win, i hope Motherwell can get a good result tonight as well.

Posted by: Dimairt 1st Aug 2013, 07:08pm

Well done St. Johnstone, great result. Good luck to them in the return leg.

Durachdan,

Eddy

Posted by: JAGZ1876 5th Aug 2013, 03:37pm




Will Super Ally join Wattie?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/out-again-walter-smith-quits-as-rangers-chairman.1375715331

Posted by: Purplefan 8th Aug 2013, 10:02pm

Both st. Johnstone and Motherwell are out of Europe.
I really think it is time to pull out of Europe as it is obvious that our teams are there just to make up the numbers.
Another year of shameful and disgraceful performances.
Hibernian especially.

Posted by: GG 8th Aug 2013, 10:13pm

I wasn't optimistic at all about the Perth side's chances. In fact, I put a tenner on Minsk, sorry to say. My reasoning was that Scottish sides just don't seem to have the technical ability to perform well in Europe. Loads of effort, no doubt, but just like Celtic last night when the Glasgow side lacked the ability to retain possession in midfield and thus take control of the game at crucial times. Sad to see St Johnstone out, and I just don't want to know how these results affect the the ranking coefficient!

GG.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Aug 2013, 11:00am

I was disappointed to see St Johnstone going as well, but it is difficult for Scottish clubs outwith the old firm to compete as the gulf in finances is huge, Motherwell's Russian opponents have spent millions on foreign internationalists, even St Johnstone's previous round opponents Rosenborg had a budget 20 times that of the Perth side.

Purplefan wrote "I really think it is time to pull out of Europe as it is obvious that our teams are there just to make up the numbers."

Come on PF, if we all took that attitude we would have only had the old firm playing each other every week in Scotland and Man U and a handful of others in England, Barca/Real Madrid in Spain etc as all the other teams are just making up the numbers

Like it or not, but Scottish football is exactly where it should be on a financial level, all we can do is try to keep the young players coming through and giving them playing experience instead of bringing in a foreign stop gap who is no better than what's already here.

Posted by: Purplefan 9th Aug 2013, 06:33pm

I agree, if teams had invested in their youth teams, i think scottish football would be
in a far batter place.
We all know that Rangers and celtic had great youth teams. and when celtic became the first scottish /British club to win the European cup; they did so with a team who were all born within a 30 mile radius of Celtic park.

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th Aug 2013, 07:01pm

Look at Barça. I know they have big bucks and spend a lot on transfers, but there was one game last season when every player on the park was the product of their youth programme ( including Leo Messi).

Posted by: JAGZ1876 9th Aug 2013, 07:21pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 9th Aug 2013, 06:59pm) *
Look at Barça. I know they have big bucks and spend a lot on transfers, but there was one game last season when every player on the park was the product of their youth programme ( including Leo Messi).


Yes Bilbo, the Barca academy has produced some tremendous young talent over the years, in fact we have recently signed one of their ex academy players, 18 year old Simon Colina Domingues, who only last year was captain of the Barcelona Under 19 side.

Hopefully he can pass on some of the good habits he will have picked up at Barca to the Thistle youngsters.

Posted by: Tennscot 14th Aug 2013, 02:20am

Tried to watch Scotland`s under 21`s. What a Farce. 6-0 I`m a gluten for punishment. Switched channels ,but kept going back. Michty Me Dearie Me `n aw that. Now I can only hope tomorrow brings better things. To nights(Tuesday) looked like a bunch of wee boys playing a bunch of men. unsure.gif

Posted by: GG 14th Aug 2013, 05:58am

I agree, Tennscot. A very poor game for Scots to watch. The goals just seemed to be flying in! sad.gif

Let's hope for better tonight from the senior players but, realistically, if you take away the Croatia result, Scotland's form is dire and they are likely to struggle at Wembley.

GG.

Posted by: Dylan 14th Aug 2013, 10:50am

Regret unable to go to Wembulee due to Family issue.

One of my Son's Pals is now a happy Foot Soldier. !!

Looking forward to first Auld Enemy game in 14 years.

2--1 Scotland. thumbup.gif