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> Are The Scots Really Irish? Dalriada, Gallowglass, The historical links between Ulster and Argyll
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post 18th Aug 2012, 08:45pm
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QUOTE (RonD @ 6th Jul 2012, 02:22am) *
Well Gallus I appreciate your compliment, while I do admit to an avid interest in the subject matter, I can only skim the surface of the deep pool that Paul knew so well and shared so willingly.

Ron D , Would they be anything on the Surname Lamb The Clan Lamont claims that is a sept of The Clan Lamont what would you think? Seamus
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post 19th Aug 2012, 09:07am
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Hi Seamus: Yes Lamb is associated with Clan Lamont in the Scottish Encyclopedia of Clans and Tartans. Lamb was probably the Anglicization of Lamont into English. However, Lamb was a name found throughout Scotland so anyone with the name is not necessarily associated with Clan Lamont.

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post 19th Aug 2012, 02:22pm
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Wear the mantle with pride.

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post 1st Jan 2013, 11:15am
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Just found this forum some interesting stuff on here.Really good reading. I'm a McCabe my Grandfather came from Co Cavan.
As for the origins of the family I've heard of the Macleod link and the Arran link however as yet I don't think I've seen anything to firm either story up.
There is a McCabe DNA site and I have submitted my DNA but I really can't get my head round it.

I have my own theory that the McCabes ended up there when King Robert's brother Edward went to Ireland. There is a hill on the Cavan/Meath border called Bruce hill so he must have been operating in that area.
I've also seen old gravestones from the 18th and 19th century in Killinkere Co Cavan and some of the names are Torquil and Sorley. I also know that even in the early 19th century the McCabes were still being referred to as "foreigners"
As to the origins of the name I've heard everything from Jewish fighters to the caped/helmeted ones.I have no idea if this theory stands up but the Irish name for Cavan is An Cabhan so maybe that might be a link.
The Clan lost their status in the late 17th century when the senior members moved to the court of King James in France.Though the site of their castle at Moyne hall just outside Cavan still has some of the old castle built into it.
Hopefully the DNA might give us some positive answers.
The Galloglas are a fascinating subject that we know so little about.
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post 4th Dec 2014, 09:51pm
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QUOTE (JMcHarg @ 2nd Jul 2009, 07:49pm) *
Hi, i'm a McHarg from Scotland, there seems to be very little information on this surnames history (in Scotland) but i have read that McHarg, Meharg, and McHargue are all the same name and originate in Ireland. I've also read that McHarg's are rarely found outside of Galloway, my father and his family are from Glasgow.

My brother found a site where they were apparently doing DNA tests on McHarg's and found that every McHarg tested had the Niall of The Nine Hostages DNA.

My mother's family are Ross and i've heard they have an Irish connection too, so any information on McHarg and Ross in regards to Ireland would be much appreciated.

Try looking up the Graham Maharg connection from Scottland there you will find a very interesting story of how the Maharg's got their name. You can google the words Graham, Maharg. Maharg is Graham spelt backwards.
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post 24th Dec 2014, 09:23pm
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When discussing the origins of Scotland, the name Scotland, the Scottish people, there are a few historical points to bear in mind. Firstly, Scotland, before it was Scotland, was inhabited by mostly tribes with the common language of the European Gaul (Gk. Prytonii). This was the dominant language and culture of all of the country prior to the coming of the insular Celts from Antrim I.E. The Gaelic speakers, who had no common tongue with the then inhabitants; Picta, Daemoni, Selgovii etc. There is evidence of Gaelic speakers around Strathclyde prior to the Roman invasions. After the demise of Roman ascendancy and the native "Britons" the Angles and Saxons took over swathes of country around the present artificial borders.

The Viking came adding Norwegian blood and language to the mix. Consequently Scotland became known as the "Land of the four languages".

To speak of blood lines in this mix is to indulge in the "Myth of the Common Ancestor " so endearing to the Highland clans. I can reel of the clans and names of the clan chiefs who are ostensibly my ancestors ad nauseum, but it means nothing in the actuality of history's page.

There was a passage relating to a Scottish army in medieval times writing by a prelate scribe of the Norman / Anglican persuasion (obviously prejudiced) who described the Scottish invaders as a "Monsterous mongrel assemblage, comprising of Gaels, Gauls Danes, Germans and Angles". So in the mix of things to talk of Scots it much more accurate to talk of who we were and not of what we are now. I become dismissive of this "Bloodline" myth as I see no connection to myself as a MacIan or McKean than any of that name living in Canada Australia Swaziland or the West Indies.

We are like it or not "Aw Jock Thamson's bairns.
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post 15th Sep 2015, 10:16pm
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My McAfee family is from the Isle of Islay and the old surname is McDuffee. It is interchangeable in both Scotland and Northern Ireland (McAfee - McDuffee). They were Presbyterian and farmers and said to have descended from Scots Coventanters. My 4th great grandfather was born on Islay abt. 1730 and moved to County Antrim, N. Ireland abt. 1750's with a friend McQuigg. They settled near Bushmills. McAfee is a highland clan and said to be part of the Siol Alpin. The emigrated to Wayne County, Ohio in June of 1838. Terminal SNP is FGC10125 (DNA).
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post 3rd Sep 2016, 11:20pm
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DNA points to the Scots of the west of Scotland are originally Irish!
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post 20th Aug 2017, 01:14pm
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QUOTE (Paul Kelly @ 27th Jul 2007, 12:40pm) *
Continuing with my last post, I have just been reading a website about the County Donegal surname O'Dochartaigh or Doherty. The website claims that the McCallions (MacAilins) of Donegal are of mixed ancestry. It says that some of the McCallions are related to the native Donegal O'Doherty family while the other McCallions are of Gallowglass origins. The website also says that the MacAilins/MacCailins of Galloglass origins came to Donegal from Argyll in the early 16th century and were probably related to the Campbells of Argyll. The reason given is that 'MacCailean Mor' has been the title used by the chief of the Campbells of Loch Awe, Argyll since the late 13th century.

Thanks for exploring this! Over the years I've heard that McCallions sometimes used Campbell as a name for traveling, and I've encountered a few online who have a record of this in their history. That would seem far-fetched to me if I didn't have, from my own family, a wedding announcement (1908) in which the bride's McCallion birthname (from Inishowen) is crossed out and "Campbell" written over it. All other records for her, her siblings, and her parents are as McCallion. At least one of her brothers or nephews later moved from Donegal to Scotland. Could all be unrelated, but it certainly is a strange thing to do to a wedding announcement.
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