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JAGZ1876 Posted 20th Nov 2020, 02:13pm
 
QUOTE (DannyH @ 20th Nov 2020, 01:02pm) *
Jagz, please. I didn’t claim I can forecast the future.

I have stated my case. That what debating is about. We are all entitled to express our opinions.

Nobody but fanatics are bothered about Independence at this moment in time. My granddaughter lives near Aberdeen. She has two young children. Like thousands of others, her husband has just been made redundant. Their top priority is Independence. Aye that will be right.

Fine. All I ask from you and others is, please don’t call me a Tory, or a Brit Nat. or a hater of the EU.

My definition of Independence is different from yours.


I know you can't foretell the future Danny, it's just that you gave the impression that you expected others too when you said "NOBODY BUT NOBODY on this forum can forecast what an OPEN BORDER will do to Scotland by the end of this century".

I'm well aware of what debating is Danny.

Well that's your opinion, and you must add Brexit to that too Danny, or are EU separatist fanatics ok with you?

Your Granddaughters husbands top priority along with your Daughter won't be Brexit either, will it?

You don't want to be called a "Tory, or a Brit Nat. or a hater of the EU", which is fair enough, as long as you and others don't call me a nationalist, fanatic, dreamer etc etc.

BTW, i made a boo boo, i'm only as year younger than your Daughter.

Best wishes to you and Mrs H.
DannyH Posted 20th Nov 2020, 01:02pm
 
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 20th Nov 2020, 12:07pm) *
First of all Danny, no EU country has ever been "subjugated" by the EU, they have all joined freely without any fear of conquest, it is a proper union of equal states, unlike the sham of a union you want us to remain with in which Scotland was "subjugated" by England.

And neither can you tell what the future holds Danny.

Jagz, please. I didn’t claim I can forecast the future. My opinion has been formed by history which I lived through before you were born and were a wee boy.

I have stated my case. That what debating is about. We are all entitled to express our opinions. We don’t have a show of hands. We listen to each other’s opinion, then go away, and if we are not convinced by those expressing an opposing view, fine. Who the hell cares what anybody says on this wee forum.

The bottom line for me at this moment in time is. Nobody but fanatics are bothered about Independence at this moment in time. My granddaughter lives near Aberdeen. She has two young children. Like thousands of others, her husband has just been made redundant. Their top priority is Independence. Aye that will be right.

Anyway, it will come as no surprise to you that I don’t feel in the mood to continue arguing about Independence. I have stated my view on this issue. If you disagree with my opinion. Fine. All I ask from you and others is, please don’t call me a Tory, or a Brit Nat. or a hater of the EU.

My definition of Independence is different from yours. Let’s leave it like that.
JAGZ1876 Posted 20th Nov 2020, 12:07pm
 
QUOTE (DannyH @ 19th Nov 2020, 07:44pm) *
So Jagz, I don’t hate the EU. I just don’t want Scotland to be subjugated by an organisation which demands open borders. If the SNP want an independent Scotland to join the EU, then I won’t vote for Independence. That means I am in effect voting for Scotland to stay in the UK. This would be an occasion to vote for the devil you know. NOBODY BUT NOBODY on this forum can forecast what an OPEN BORDER will do to Scotland by the end of this century.


First of all Danny, no EU country has ever been "subjugated" by the EU, they have all joined freely without any fear of conquest, it is a proper union of equal states, unlike the sham of a union you want us to remain with in which Scotland was "subjugated" by England.

And neither can you tell what the future holds Danny.
DannyH Posted 19th Nov 2020, 11:18pm
 
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 19th Nov 2020, 10:14pm) *
RAVINGS AN AULD LUNATIC, AGAIN !

Don’t worry folks. I know I have had some strong disagreements with some of you, but please believe me. I don’t associate any of you with Bilbo.

I am afraid Bilbo has become an embarrassment to this forum. I feel no anger towards him, only pity.

Danny
bilbo.s Posted 19th Nov 2020, 10:14pm
 
QUOTE (DannyH @ 19th Nov 2020, 09:44pm) *
I know Jagz and Ashfield will accept that at this moment in time, I am not really focused on political issues. Having said that, I feel that I am able to clarify my reason for not wanting Scotland to be a member state of the EU.

I will start off by saying I have taken note that Jagz is two years younger than my daughter! That puts a different perspective on how I have been responding to his posts. I thought I was dealing with someone who was at least in their 70’s. Jagz is only 62. I am 89. So my attitude towards the EU is based on what happened before Jagz was born!

Jagz claimed in his post #22509, dated 16 Nov 20, that I hate the EU.

Ashfield in his post #22519, dated 17 Nov 20, is of the opinion that I am still willing to accept our subjugation by another state.

I hope to reply to you both in a reasonable manner.

Immediately after World War 2, my generation were conscripted into the armed forces for two years, or by choice, five years in the Merchant Navy. Those who had been in the armed forces, then had to serve five years in the Territorial Army and Reserves.

This was at the height of the Cold War. I served behind the Iron Curtain most of my time in the Army.
Many young servicemen who were children during WW2 lost their lives during their Service time. Including, young men who were murdered by German civilians, while on Guard duty in Western Germany. I am just mentioning them because they seem to have been forgotten. The reason we were there, with American and Canadian forces is well documented. To halt the Russians from pouring across Europe.

Then sometime after the war, what is referred to as The Common Market was formed. I had no issues with that. It was a trading organisation. This was subsequently superseded by the EU. All things changed. We are supposed to believe this was to create a larger market economy. Sorry. This was created to use the Eastern European countries as a barrier between Russia and the Western European countries. What other trading organisation would tolerate the majority of its members to operate with a deficit balance sheet? I know some of you will be scoffing at me.

Well please tell me why it is necessary for the USA and Canada to station military forces in this so called Trading consortium. If the USA pulls out of NATO, this will send shivers across the EU member States. Another reason why the EU doesn’t want to lose the the UK.

So Jagz, I don’t hate the EU. I just don’t want Scotland to be subjugated by an organisation which demands open borders. If the SNP want an independent Scotland to join the EU, then I won’t vote for Independence. That means I am in effect voting for Scotland to stay in the UK. This would be an occasion to vote for the devil you know. NOBODY BUT NOBODY on this forum can forecast what an OPEN BORDER will do to Scotland by the end of this century.




RAVINGS AN AULD LUNATIC, AGAIN !
DannyH Posted 19th Nov 2020, 07:44pm
  I know Jagz and Ashfield will accept that at this moment in time, I am not really focused on political issues. Having said that, I feel that I am able to clarify my reason for not wanting Scotland to be a member state of the EU.

I will start off by saying I have taken note that Jagz is two years younger than my daughter! That puts a different perspective on how I have been responding to his posts. I thought I was dealing with someone who was at least in their 70’s. Jagz is only 62. I am 89. So my attitude towards the EU is based on what happened before Jagz was born!

Jagz claimed in his post #22509, dated 16 Nov 20, that I hate the EU.

Ashfield in his post #22519, dated 17 Nov 20, is of the opinion that I am still willing to accept our subjugation by another state.

I hope to reply to you both in a reasonable manner.

Immediately after World War 2, my generation were conscripted into the armed forces for two years, or by choice, five years in the Merchant Navy. Those who had been in the armed forces, then had to serve five years in the Territorial Army and Reserves.

This was at the height of the Cold War. I served behind the Iron Curtain most of my time in the Army.
Many young servicemen who were children during WW2 lost their lives during their Service time. Including, young men who were murdered by German civilians, while on Guard duty in Western Germany. I am just mentioning them because they seem to have been forgotten. The reason we were there, with American and Canadian forces is well documented. To halt the Russians from pouring across Europe.

Then sometime after the war, what is referred to as The Common Market was formed. I had no issues with that. It was a trading organisation. This was subsequently superseded by the EU. All things changed. We are supposed to believe this was to create a larger market economy. Sorry. This was created to use the Eastern European countries as a barrier between Russia and the Western European countries. What other trading organisation would tolerate the majority of its members to operate with a deficit balance sheet? I know some of you will be scoffing at me.

Well please tell me why it is necessary for the USA and Canada to station military forces in this so called Trading consortium. If the USA pulls out of NATO, this will send shivers across the EU member States. Another reason why the EU doesn’t want to lose the the UK.

So Jagz, I don’t hate the EU. I just don’t want Scotland to be subjugated by an organisation which demands open borders. If the SNP want an independent Scotland to join the EU, then I won’t vote for Independence. That means I am in effect voting for Scotland to stay in the UK. This would be an occasion to vote for the devil you know. NOBODY BUT NOBODY on this forum can forecast what an OPEN BORDER will do to Scotland by the end of this century.




JAGZ1876 Posted 19th Nov 2020, 05:21pm
  Well done The Simpsons season 32 episode 5, the world is waking up to Scotland regaining our independence. laugh.gif


JAGZ1876 Posted 18th Nov 2020, 09:37pm
 
QUOTE (wombat @ 18th Nov 2020, 09:24pm) *
laugh.gif its called "stockholm syndrome" JAGZ laugh.gif


"Do you think Johnson is a great leader? i know who i would prefer, and we wouldn't be paying the EU anywhere near what we pay to Westminster, you're the "dreamer" Sumac, stop swallowing the English/British nationalist propaganda and wake up".



I ask a question, give my opinion, answer a question, and suggest that she is the "Dreamer" that she said i was, and that she shouldn't believe what the British nationalists MSM say makes my posts"abuse and insults"? unsure.gif
wombat Posted 18th Nov 2020, 09:26pm
 

tongue.gif treatable with copious amounts of freedom laugh.gif
wombat Posted 18th Nov 2020, 09:24pm
 
QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 18th Nov 2020, 11:36am) *
That is your example of "abuse and insults? unsure.gif


laugh.gif its called "stockholm syndrome" JAGZ laugh.gif
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