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> Social Engineering In Possilpark?, Group targets women leaving health centre
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post 23rd May 2010, 09:04pm
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Female visitors attending a health clinic in Possilpark have alleged that they been approached by a controversial group offering them each 200 if they agreed to be sterilised. It is understood that the women were approached by representatives from Project Prevention, an American-based group which is known to have paid drug addicts to be voluntarily sterilised.

One woman, who claimed to have been approached while visiting the health centre in the north of the city on Friday, reacted in disbelief and anger to the proposal. The mother of two, who was accompanied by her nine-year-old son at the time, said that she was shaken after the approach, and later gave an interview to reporters in which she said:

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"As we left the health centre I saw three ladies coming out of a car and they told me there was this new scheme, offering 200. Then I saw a bit of paper in her hand and it had drug addicts written on it.

I'm not a addict. I think I was approached because I was in the Possilpark area – it's a well-known area for drugs - but that's where my doctor is based."

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"I'm very hurt and angry that someone could approach me in the street and ask me those sorts of questions at all, let alone when I had my nine-year-old with me.

I asked her to leave me alone but she kept going on and on so I had an argument with her and got on the bus to go home.

My son knew they were asking me questions, and he asked me what it meant to be sterilised."

Project Prevention is a US group that aims, according to their website, "to reduce the number of substance exposed births to zero."

An interview with Barbara Harris, the founder of the controversial group which has faced allegations of 'social engineering in the US, can be viewed here:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/?/video/besto...icts.debate.cnn

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post 23rd May 2010, 11:06pm
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If these slumbags can be arrested for something, then it should be done.
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post 24th May 2010, 01:35am
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Unbelievable, with junkies and 17 year old mothers with 5 kids I can understand the sentiment, if not what they did, but with normal women and in the street? They should be arrested and, if non UK citizens, be deported. The US company should be banned in the UK.
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post 24th May 2010, 03:19am
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Why are they allowed to confront females anyway,they should be banned.I think its easy money for people who are drug users too.Why is the govt not looking into this.They should be doing this in there own country its full of drugs and unwanted pregnancy.I dont think that is legal.Jeez.Maybe some kind of cult,who knows.
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post 24th May 2010, 06:26am
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Drug problems are a blight on us all, but for anyone to suggest Sterilization and offers a cash reward, I wonder if we are looking at refugee medical families from Nazi Germany...?
And the biggest farce of all....is that any American can come to this country and offer cash for sterilization, when their 'own midden'....the land of the free, is the place i would start......!
Are they so befuddled, that they have the tumerity to come here and offer solace, when their 'own midden' is such a 'NICE DRUG FREE PLACE TO LIVE'................I think not...!
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post 24th May 2010, 06:42am
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This is def a no-no, but how I wish they would come to "darkest" Africa. So many babies born HIV pos and so many abandoned because of it
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post 24th May 2010, 06:44am
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I see nothing wrong in the voluntary sterilisation of drug addicts - the NHS is running trials with payments to quit smoking - but it should not be left to private organisations. I don't see that this particular organisation is breaking any laws in making the offer though - no-one is forced to accept it. Perhaps their approach to members of the public leaves something to be desired, but that ain't a hanging offence.


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post 24th May 2010, 08:03am
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Droske7. I agree with you wholeheartedly. We have enough problems in this country and do not need Americans coming here to try and solve them for us.
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I wonder if the reaction would be stronger if male addicts were being offered this chance of 200 quid and free sterilisation. And if the scheme took off could it be acceptable to increase the range to include alcoholics or even obesity?
Where are we goin' here?


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post 24th May 2010, 11:26am
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whilst i do not agree with any private organisation carrying out this kind of work, at the same time i cannot help but relate to the sentiment behind it. Being a drug addict does not in itself guarentee a bad parent and it is certainly dependant on which drug they are dependant on, as to how bad life could be for future offsping. I do wonder sometimes when travelling home on a bus and seeing the smacked out junkies with toddlers and such in prams. Honestly what sort of chance do these little ones have in life. As with a lot of things in life though at least the modern world is money is the crux or rather lack of it. Many addicts become caught up in the first place due to poverty. If we can erradicate poverty then a lot of what is wrong in glasgow and the wider world will disappear with it. I for one would rather get to the root of these problems rather than picking of a few individuals when the damage is already done.
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post 24th May 2010, 12:04pm
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As well as paying people to stop smoking, the NHS has also been running trials on paying people to lose weight, THH.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthne...ose-weight.html

As far as "The Americans shouldn't be coming here and trying to change our ways" goes, the same could be said of all the British missionaries who go abroad for a spot of Bible thumping. There are plenty of candidates in Britain who could do with being preached to.


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post 24th May 2010, 06:00pm
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Those young women who have accepted 200 to be sterilised may well live to regret it in a few years time when they realize they will never give birth to a child of their own.

I don't agree with the aims of Project Prevention and I think they should be banned from this Country.


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post 24th May 2010, 06:15pm
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What are the aims of Project Prevention? On the face of it at least, they are to prevent people who are incapable of looking after themselves shouldering the responsibility of looking after a child. Would you like to have a child or grandchild brought up by someone who was zonked out of their head most of the time? The most important thing is the welfare of any prospective child, not gratification of the maternal instinct of drug users.


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post 24th May 2010, 07:13pm
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A drug addict can recover from the habit.

Sterilisation is a different story altogether. A reversal is not always guaranteed and as far as I know it is not done on the NHS which means going private and that would cost a lot of money for a hit and miss operation.


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post 24th May 2010, 07:22pm
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According to their website, the aims/objectives of Project Prevention are:

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The main objective of Project Prevention is to reduce the number of substance exposed births to zero.

In doing so, Project Prevention seeks to reduce the burden of this social problem on taxpayers, trim down social worker caseloads, and alleviate from our clients the burden of having children that will potentially be taken away.

Unlike incarceration, Project Prevention extremely cost effective and does not punish the participants.

We seek and welcome alliances with all sectors of our communities including drug treatment programs, hospitals, social service departments, among others, and have established such contacts throughout the United States.

Project Prevention does not have the resources to combat the national problems of poverty, housing, nutrition, education and rehabilitation services. Those resources we do have are spent entirely on reducing the number of substance-exposed births to zero.

http://www.projectprevention.org/objectives

From the other angle, some critics have accused the group of spreading "dangerous propaganda":

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Her stand has drawn fierce opposition. Critics, such as US group National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW), accuse Ms Harris of spreading "dangerous propaganda".

They say what she does is social engineering, defining one category of people - addicts - as unsuitable to have children. The scheme has been compared to eugenic sterilisation in the US during the 1930s and the Nazis' programme of eugenics, which led to the extermination of Jews and the murder of many gypsies, the mentally ill, and homosexuals.

Such comparisons are rejected by Ms Harris, who says the criticisms do not concern her.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8500285.stm

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