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> It's Immigration, Stupid!, Glasgow socialist says time to cap immigration
post 28th Apr 2010, 06:38pm
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A prominent Glasgow socialist has called for an end to the 'open-door' policy on immigration which he says was "launched by Tony Blair and Jack Straw in 2001 for economic and social reasons to drive down wages to the minimum wage level".

In a 'platform' article in the Scotsman newspaper, Sean Clerkin, the former chairman of the Glasgow Campaign against housing stock transfer, has claimed that the demands on housing, education and health services by the influx of hundreds of thousands of EU eastern Europeans and illegal immigrants is not sustainable during a devastating recession.

The article by the non-aligned socialist represents a major departure from standard socialist policy, and is a rare instance when such views have been aired in the mainstream media. Mr Clerkin was keen to highlight that calling for a cap on immigration "wouldn't be racist" but was "common sense".

Speaking of Glasgow specifically, where Mr Clerkin has wide-ranging experience in the provision of public services, the current chairman of the Glasgow Homeowners' Association said:

"Glasgow, one of the poorest cities in Britain, has had to absorb many thousands of economic immigrants in recent years, resulting in the growth of ghettos in Govanhill, Pollokshaws and Red Road [Balornock]. How can a socially deprived area such as Govanhill cope with the influx of over 3,000 Slovakians in the space of 12 months? It cannot.

Glasgow City Council education department has to provide resources to educate 14,000 children whose first language is not English. Indigenous children are held back and are denied the educational resources that they need.

Many indigenous people in Glasgow and elsewhere are naturally resentful that the massive influx of immigrants increasingly takes away from them shrinking public resources in areas such as housing, education and health. Until now, they have been afraid to speak out in case they were labelled racist by the chattering classes and those with vested interests to protect."

Mr Clerkin also claimed that immigration is one of the five main issues of the current general election campaign, but was being sidestepped by the main political parties who were effectively ignoring the long-term economic and social implications of immigration. He added that the principle of an immigration cap had been agreed by well-informed academics, as well as prominent politicians such as Frank Field, MP.

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post 28th Apr 2010, 07:56pm
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I heard it said today that if it wasnt for immigration the economy would come to a standstill and it has to be said that many immigrants do jobs that other individuals would turn up their nose at.
What has to be considered as well is the fact that there is two way traffic with many people leaving these shores for places like Oz,Canada and the US.
Britain has adopted the points system used in Australia which will restrict the number of non skilled persons from outside the UK but as we all know Britain is now open all hours from any EU citizen.
The immigrants taking jobs was not a big issue until the recession kicked in .
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post 28th Apr 2010, 08:06pm
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This guy obviously knows nothing about anything to do with immigration. The population of Scotland is lower than it was in 1974 and in 2002 the population was lower than at any point before the second world war.
As far as Asylum Seekers go, according to the Home Office there are 2,850 living in Glasgow out of a total population of 577,000. Hardly a large number.
I am really disappointed that a so called socialist would make an argument from a position of such ignorance.
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post 28th Apr 2010, 08:07pm
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Immigration was the point made by the old age pensioner in Rochdale to Mr Brown to-day.She got called a "bigot". Yet it is a major topic in places like Govanhill in Glasgow. Labour seem to be sweeping this under the carpet.
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post 28th Apr 2010, 08:31pm
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I gather from today's events that I'm a " bigot ". I wonder how many votes that lost him ?
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post 28th Apr 2010, 08:35pm
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Intit something when they immediately say how really sorry they are after they've been caught out rolleyes.gif

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post 28th Apr 2010, 08:38pm
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KERCHINGGGG !!! The penny has dropped at last!!

It is utter madness of politicians to let all and sundry descend on this country while we struggle to support the local population first.

This is not "racist" simply common sense. When things are tight then the basics get sorted first and when there is a bit more in the pot then we can offer it to others.

The politicians who allowed this open door policy should hang their heads in utter shame!

I have no political persuasion and feel none of the main parties can offer anything sensible - just good old party rhetoric designed to appeal to the masses. If only the electorate would wake up to these shysters and see beyond the traditional " my family has always voted...." or " so and so always looks after..." For God's sake people, we are at the crossroads and we have to tell these eejits to go forth and multiply!

I vote for a Common Sense Party......sort us out first then offer a hand to others overseas!!
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Jennifer Hutt
post 28th Apr 2010, 08:42pm
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I do not believe that our economy would grind to a standstill if immigration was halted now. Although many immigrants have worked hard in this country, the fact is that there are now too many to sustain and many people are suffering, including children, whose education is suffering. I think many immigrants who are already here and witnessing what is going on, would agree that it is time to halt it now.

If some migrants are taking jobs that our people don't want to do, surely it would be better for our own people to have their attitude changed, rather than import people to do the jobs, and then pay indigenous people jobseeker allowance.

I have two sons and a brother who have been out of work since December. All have worked all their lives and have never been off work. Many of their friends are in a similar position. Their jobs are filled by Polish and other foreign workers. I am talking about welders, joiners, crane drivers, electricians, plumbers etc. My sons do curtain walling which involves hanging off buildings on these cradle thingys. There are just no jobs for them, and time after time, when they approach a site, it is overseas workers who are working there. Sometimes it is foreign companies which have been given the contracts and brought their own workers over.

Of course it may have been okay before the recession. The point is that there is a recession, and it is unfair to expect men to accept having no job, as when there were plenty of jobs, they did not complain. It doesn't make sense to me.

I don't think you would see France or Germany standing for this situation.

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**Tam Hunter**
post 28th Apr 2010, 08:53pm
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Lets put an end to immigration the best way forward is to unite the world as one and rip up all the passports, then people can move where they like, for everyone wishing to come to the uk their would be an other wanting to leave. remember the population of Glasgow was under 250,000 before the first potatoe famine and over 750,000 after the last famine so most of us are decendents of immigrants where do we send those.
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**John Mac**
post 28th Apr 2010, 09:01pm
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I am sick of Labour. 250.000 were given citizenship last year, The open doors policy stinks. We are full of illegal immigrants. Labour give us an unjust war. Blait and Brown are war criminals. Labour also led us into recession.Gave the Ok to advertising Gambling on TV. So now we have a drunk/ drugged/ gambled society.
Labour stinks. They will never get my vote.
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post 28th Apr 2010, 09:03pm
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I am the third generation of economic immigrants from Eastern Europe who arrived at the end of the 19th century to Scotland and from family myths I understand that things were very similar then to what they are now so nothing really changes. People always wants somebody else to blame. smile.gif Help
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post 28th Apr 2010, 09:23pm
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Mr Clerkin is welcome in Australia where we are getting a gutful of refugee immigrants from Asia who can't speak a word of English and who are bringing their culture with them doing jobs for 'next to nothing' thus putting our chaps out of a job! I agree that this immigration should cease for a wee while and get our home lads a proper income once more. We did have a 'White Australia Policy' at one time but even that has gone by the wayside somewhere.

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post 28th Apr 2010, 10:24pm
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Jennifer, I agree with everything you said.

So much for Gordon Brown and his, ' British jobs for British workers'. wub.gif

It's not just a case of putting a cap on Immigrants, it should be stopped altogether until this Country is back on it's feet, then put a cap on it especially as some Immigrants come from outwith Europe.

There should be a law against Employers who take on foreign workers when we have indigenous people who are trained to do those jobs and are un-employed.
As for those who will not take a job they don't like, then their Benefits should be stopped and the Social Security have the power to do that.
I know it's not very pleasant working at a job you don't like, but no one claiming Benefits should be better off that those who do work.

I have watched the Debates on TV and also saw other Politicians being interviewed and not one of them has mentioned how much Immigrants and Asylum Seekes are costing this Country financially. Is it any wonder Britain is almost Bankrupt.

Today I listened to the News and some Politicians pointed out that British people Emmigrate to other Countries to work. Well that is up to those other Countries to deal with it and not our problem we have enough problems of our own.

I think this Country has gone downhill since Labours open Immigration Policy, especially as Britain pays more in Benefits then other European Countries. That is the reason we get so many coming into Britain.
Stop the Benefits, Housing and free Medical Aid and the Immigrants & Asylum Seekers will soon stop coming here.

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Jennifer Hutt
post 28th Apr 2010, 10:36pm
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Thank you Heather.

Although I do believe that genuine asylum seekers, (and there are some) should be helped.

What kind of country would we be if we won't help those most in need.

Immigrants are a different matter. This country is in crisis.

The politicians don't have a clue as to what it is really like. Huge areas of human misery for the original residents and for the new ones.

Not one of them will deal with the issue. I have got to the stage that when someone mentions politicians, my lip curls automatically.

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post 28th Apr 2010, 11:04pm
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Somebody mentioned 'vested interests'. Where a lot of people are missing the point - is politicians and crooked 'businessmen' have been 'legally' and blatantly exploiting the freedom of movement throughout Europe.

There are MASSIVE amounts of money being made, where unscrupulous individuals have been flagrantly screwing the system, in their favour. Those people who come here, are being exploited, JUST AS MUCH as people who already live here in the UK.

I am convinced there is a thriving intelligent criminal network, taking full advantage of peoples natural desire to improve themselves, and to look after their families.

They offer 'tickets to paradise' to the land of plenty - for an extortionate price - informing people how to LEGALLY gain permanent domicile here in the UK - AND be cared for whilst they 'settle in'.

There is a cancer in this country - and we won't even BEGIN to tackle the problem - until those responsible for soliciting & prostituting the whole UK are dealt with - from the Member of Parliament - to the Lorry Driver.

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