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*greta* Posted 18th Dec 2009, 10:03am
  No surprize there then. Not the biggest fan of Scotland was she, after the poll tax. Im surprised any True Scot has a good word to say about her. She quite obviously hated us, not surprising the tories still dont get anywhere in this country. You can be ignored for only so long without taking offence. Good riddence to that goverment.
ashfield Posted 18th Dec 2009, 08:34am
  Tam, good post. I have only been in the function suites at Hampden since it was renovated for a conference. Being realistic, it probably fits the profile of the kind of stadium we deserve. Interesting that the potential rise of fortunes for the Welsh has co-incided with them getting the prestidious millenium stadium. I stopped going to see Sotland during the 80s when it became clear that some players were dictating which games they would play in.

I have made my views known on the GG board before about the Poll Tax, I was better off but I was totally against it. I still believe that a local income tax is the fairest way to finance local services. In any system there will be winners and losers, that's the way it is. Fairness should be the main criteria.
tamhickey Posted 18th Dec 2009, 07:55am
  Ultimately, the "Cant pay, won't pay" campaign was a success in that it brought the demise of the tax itself, and Thatcher too. This was a horrendous tax if you happened to live with a family of six adults living hand to mouth in a 3 apartment where everybody had to stump up as opposed to well heeled folk who would gain from it. Now, I'm not saying that everyone who gained from this policy was a "toff!, far from it, but there were many people who lost out and who simply could not afford to pay this tax.
What surprised me was that the Tories had always promoted themselves as the party of low taxation and they introduced this at a time when unemployment was so high, due in part to their economic mismanagement of the UK's industrial base. Mining had gone, steelworks had gone, shipbuilding too and so had all the businesses that had relied on them. Not to mention social housing.
Maggie had messed up big time and money had to be raised for the exchequer somehow, ergo, the Poll Tax. Everything else had been sold off. We no longer owned the telecoms industry, Gas or electricity and water was privatised too. It was a sell your neighbour down the river kinda time. as long as "you" the individual was alright, then to hell with the rest.
That's why it comes as no surprise that the Conservative cabinet tried to offload Hampen Park.These people had no affinity with Glasgow, or for Scotland, whose population had consistently voted against them for many years.
Having said that, I have been to Hampen and it is pretty rubbish nowadays. The fans are too far away from the action. If you don't have a pair of binoculars then you won't know who has the ball.
It's my opinion that a new ground should have been built elsewhere.
Heather Posted 17th Dec 2009, 07:56pm
  No it was the Social Security. rolleyes.gif
TeeHeeHee Posted 17th Dec 2009, 01:57am
  Was it ... jobs worth mate tongue.gif rolleyes.gif
Heather Posted 17th Dec 2009, 12:20am
  Your right Marydee.

Years after it ended and I was working on Direct Payments, I was still setting up Poll Tax to be deducted at source from people on Income Support who were in arrears with their Poll Tax. wub.gif
marydee Posted 16th Dec 2009, 09:34pm
  The 'Can't Pay Won't Pay' campaign against the poll tax cost many people dearly because some of those who did not pay were on low incomes and because they saw themselves as Can't Pays they did not claim the rebates due to them. The subsequent abandonment of this policy did not wipe out their debt and they were chased up for many years for the full amount because rebates are not applied retrospectively. So instead of owing hundreds some of the poorest had eventually to pay back thousands.
Heather Posted 16th Dec 2009, 08:44pm
  I'll tell you worse than that Dugald.

My brother was 43 yrs old when he was diagnosed with Motor Neurone. He died when he was 56 yrs old .
A few weeks after his funeral, his wife got a notice in from the Council for my brothers over due Poll Tax dated right up to the day he died. It was only for a few weeks money even though during that time, he was in a Hospice.
We were all totally disgusted, but she paid it because she said, " he was never in debt when alive, so he won't be now he's dead ".

Guest Posted 16th Dec 2009, 06:07pm
  Labour has demolished more of Glasgow than Thatcher ever did.... and not just buildings!!!!
dugald_old Posted 16th Dec 2009, 12:25pm
QUOTE (Heather @ 15th Dec 2009, 08:54pm) *
Dugald, it made no difference whose name the house was in, everyone 18yrs or 21yrs old ( can't remember which) was liable to pay Poll Tax whether working or claiming Benefits.

My husband was Long Term Sick and he had to pay the same as everyone else.

Yes, I did find that out Heather, but i had thought they wouldn't have known how many were living in the house. Perhaps if we'd put the house in one name to begin with it would have worked.
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