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Posted by: petunia 5th Nov 2015, 01:26pm

Subject: Changes to Canada

Below is an excellent FB post that ALL people should read. This fellow is an Historian who offers an accurate assessment of the root of the problem the world faces today and more so well into the future.

QUOTE
Syria has had a civil war for almost 5 YEARS. Why all the "refugees" NOW and why so all of a SUDDEN and why in such VAST NUMBERS?
With a personal Honors degree in History and a lifelong student of the subject, I smell a rat.
This is a highly organized, well oiled, mobilized invasion of Muslims and Jihadists into the Western World. It's been in their plan for a long time. Momar Gadhafi predicted and explicitly stated that Muslim domination of Europe would happen without a conventional war and he said it 30 years ago. 95% of these economic "refugees" many who have cell phones are men between the fighting ages of 20 and 40. Very few women and children from everything I've seen.
Odd that he 5 wealthiest Arab States including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait are taking "no refugees" thanks and feel quite self righteous about it. No guilt what so ever? They are even laughing at us for doing so.
Ask yourself, why would Germany Belgium, Holland, France, Sweden and others want to destroy their own cultures from within? It doesn't make any sense? If this keeps up Europe will be burning daily within a very short few years if not months. Civil war in the streets between civilizations.
Muslims vs Kefirs, that is to say, everyone who is not a Muslim.
Unfortunately, the reality is that Muslims are just not like any other immigrants. They don't want to assimilate, they want to set up separate enclaves and implement Sharia Law. Another problem is that while the civilized West rightly abhors violence, conversely Muslims daily display their love of violence. They live it and embrace it. In many Muslim countries public be-headings and stoning to death for adultery for example. It's a part of their culture precisely because Islam is - dare I say it - a death cult.
Islam is a supremacist, totalitarian, bigoted, fascist political ideology masquerading as a religion. It literally means "submission". The Quran MANDATES death for blasphemy, for adultery, for apostasy, for family honor, for being gay, Jewish or a Kefir as well as ten other "crimes" many not even considered to be so in the West. Death for drinking alcohol or taking illegal drugs for example.
Why let in vast numbers of these brainwashed people especially men of that age when past experience has already demonstrated the tragedy, not to mention the financial, social, and political costs of rampant multiculturalism in Europe. Ordinary citizens are against this immigration
but strangely, their governments are not?
Someone or some organization is pulling some strings here is what I see. Is this invasion part of the New World Order's plan to depopulate the planet? Maybe there's not even any such an organization but it's all over
U-tube and other social media.
The major media are implicit in selling gullible citizens of the West the righteousness of the "refugees" cause and openly siding against Western culture. One drowned child's picture in the right places sparks outrage and sympathy worldwide for the movement and resettlement of vast numbers of Muslims.
However the implementation of Sharia Law, No Go Zone ghettos in most countries in Europe and Muslim rape gangs go unreported. In radical Islamist countries honor killings, be-headings, stoning's, cutting off limbs, whipping and torture, pedophilia, child bride marriages, rape and misogyny go unreported DAILY and are dismissed as culturally ingrained.
Where is the indignity and the outrage over people doing this every day to their own populations? Yet a staged picture a drowned baby on a beach sparks a world outcry?
Muslim birthrates are 8 children per family while Europeans average 1.4. When these current millions bring in their multiple wives, children and extended families 85% of whom live on state benefits (England's experience) you can multiply their number by at least 10x, maybe 20x or even more.
By 2050 Europe will be Muslim dominated just by demographics alone. When their numbers are sufficient they will legally vote in their own kind and then Sharia Law.
Europe as we know it will be lost forever. Two thousand years of civilization will be destroyed by the same fanatical bearded, bigoted, brutal, boneheaded, belligerent bastards who are now slaughtering their
own kind and blowing up ancient and irreplaceable world heritage buildings, monuments, books, manuscripts and other historically significant art treasures in Iraq, Syria and other conquered territories.
Canada should not get sucked into this quagmire of political correctness just to show how polite, civilized. politically correct and Canadian we are. We should learn a lesson from our Australian counterparts.

Posted by: DannyH 5th Nov 2015, 02:30pm

Hello Petunia

Thank you for your post.

This says it all. I cannnot believe that people do not learn from history. People like us who are concerned for the future of our children and for the generations still to come, are branded as rascists.

I couldn't believe my ears today, listeneing to the news on the radio. It reported that somewhere in the region of 2 million refugees are expected to come to Europe within the next few years. I expected to hear that European politicians would start show concern about the effect this will have on the indigenous population of Europe. But NO - wait for it. We were told that these refugees will be a benefit to the economy of Europe! Apparently countries like Gemany have an imbalance in their population. Like the UK thay have too many of we older people.

It is certainly good news for the building industry. Mosques will be getting built everywhere!

Watch this space for the accusations of rascism pouring in. I have only a few years of life left, so I won't be around when people like us will be publicly executed for offending the beliefs of these 'refugees' and their descendants. However, the descendants of some of those who are accusing us of rascism, will be. They won't be aware that at one time, you could state your views freely on the, by then banned, Glasgow Guide and similar forums. Unfortunately descendants of people like us will also suffer the same fate. Anyone who can't see the danger coming to us all, is not anti-rascist, they have their head in the sand.

We were accused of standing back and watching Hitler destroy Europe. Now we are repeating history again. Because the invaders aren't carrying guns, we welcome them with open arms.

Regards

Danny

Posted by: flam 5th Nov 2015, 03:09pm

Has anybody on this site met anyone who welcomes these people..Just a thought, I have met hundreds,and still have to get one, that agrees to them coming here

Posted by: petunia 5th Nov 2015, 04:05pm

QUOTE (flam @ 5th Nov 2015, 03:17pm) *
Has anybody on this site met anyone who welcomes these people..Just a thought, I have met hundreds,and still have to get one, that agrees to them coming here


Our governments are the ones bringing them in and the people are letting it happen like our new Prime Minister who wants 25,000 refugees into Canada by the New Year that was one of his platforms when running, no-one knows how this is going to be achieved he is even talking about bringing them here in military planes, who will be paying for that????????

Danny I agree with absolutely everything you say, it will not happen in my lifetime (I hope) but the way things are going the next generation will have a completely different existence and it is happening right in front of their eyes. As you say call me racists or whatever I am a realist and I don't pretend to like what I hear and see every day.

Posted by: Betsy2009 5th Nov 2015, 04:12pm

Syria may have been at war for five years but they didn't have ISIS in the mix, did they? Perhaps they've just given up because they are not ISIS supporters or are afraid of them so want to escape?

Posted by: marydee 5th Nov 2015, 09:07pm

When you think of the carnage that Great Britain created all over this planet with ill regard for lives, religions or cultures in the lands that they ruled and plundered I think the Syrian refugees are quite civilized. One question if you had to seek asylum would you leave your mobile phone at home?

Posted by: Betsy2009 5th Nov 2015, 09:17pm

Why would you not have a phone. They are ordinary people - they haven't come from the 19th century!

Posted by: marydee 5th Nov 2015, 09:45pm

Sorry Betsy 2009 got my sites mixed up thought I was answering a guy who was moaning about refugees all having phones.

Posted by: Heather 5th Nov 2015, 09:51pm

Yes Petunia & Danny, I believe it is an Islamic Invasion and have done so for a long time.

I may have said on another Thread, that I told my g'chidren to get a good Education then get out of this Country as it is finished.

In about 20 years the women will be walking about veiled from head to foot with just a slit at the eye's to see with, just like the women in Saudi Arabia who are ruled by their dad's then their husband's.

I am glad I am the age I am, as I hope to be six feet under by the time the Muslim's take over our Country.

Posted by: petunia 5th Nov 2015, 10:06pm

QUOTE (Heather @ 5th Nov 2015, 09:59pm) *
Yes Petunia & Danny, I believe it is an Islamic Invasion and have done so for a long time.

I may have said on another Thread, that I told my g'chidren to get a good Education then get out of this Country as it is finished.

In about 20 years the women will be walking about veiled from head to foot with just a slit at the eye's to see with, just like the women in Saudi Arabia who are ruled by their dad's then their husband's.

I am glad I am the age I am, as I hope to be six feet under by the time the Muslim's take over our Country.


I don't think yours will be the only country, they are aiming for the whole world, look at what is going on right now around the world.

Posted by: john.mcn 5th Nov 2015, 10:14pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 5th Nov 2015, 09:25pm) *
Why would you not have a phone. They are ordinary people - they haven't come from the 19th century!


Not so much the phone Betsy but the roaming charges, then you add the apparently thousands it cost to jump on a boat and the reports that these 'poor' young men dont seem to be that poor at all.

like has been said this is 'organised' and these phones have a lot to do with it. I have read that there are sites, facebook pages and twitter accounts directing migrants where to go. Not really a new thing as social media helped create the Arab spring and the irony of the failure in that is that its fueling this wave of people to come here ( the others will just follow).

The UK has agreed to take some, and i think it's right that it cherry picks those from UNHCR camps and it should be familes..NO young single men at all!!!. i dont agree with the Germans point about taking our 'fair share' as it was their idiocy that caused the increase and it should be down to them to fix it.

I know i will get hung for this but bloody hell am i glad Labour did not win the election, those morons would have just opened the borders..(again)

Posted by: Betsy2009 5th Nov 2015, 10:38pm

QUOTE (marydee @ 5th Nov 2015, 09:53pm) *
Sorry Betsy 2009 got my sites mixed up thought I was answering a guy who was moaning about refugees all having phones.


No problem, Marydee. I was agreeing with you. Probably on the wrong one too. Don't know why there's more than one.

Posted by: TAlly Rand 9th Nov 2015, 02:55pm

QUOTE (flam @ 5th Nov 2015, 03:17pm) *
Has anybody on this site met anyone who welcomes these people..Just a thought, I have met hundreds,and still have to get one, that agrees to them coming here

Obviously you have not been mixing with Libertarian pseudo socialist politicians who have decided on a course of action that takes no account of the wishes of the majority; indeed it is for the "GOOD" of the majority that they make these decisions on their behalf. To put it more succinctly "BE TOLD.

Posted by: carmella 10th Nov 2015, 12:18pm

World domination is their ultimate aim.

Posted by: Betsy2009 10th Nov 2015, 12:25pm

That would be like the old Empire/Commonwealth then!

Posted by: Betsy2009 10th Nov 2015, 12:29pm

It's very like that some families would have pooled everything together to pay for one of them, perhaps the oldest/youngest/only one surviving son getting out of the war zone so I have no problem with young lads as refugees.
I do agree, however, that the numbers show a different story and do understand why people are afraid.

Posted by: Betsy2009 10th Nov 2015, 12:30pm

Hang on! Are we running two (or three) immigration threads here? I'm getting confused. wacko.gif

Posted by: carmella 10th Nov 2015, 01:53pm

Betsy I think some of the posts should be in another thread - I agree with you on that.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 10th Nov 2015, 02:13pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 10th Nov 2015, 02:33pm) *
That would be like the old Empire/Commonwealth then!

The muslim threat to the world is NOTHING like the old British Empire. The British had the good sense to rule by default. Placing locals in positions where it appeared they were ruling only for their strings to be pulled from Whitehall.
In the main local cultures, religions and practices were allowed to continue.

The muslim empire will be a despotic evil rule that will drive any and all kaffirs/non believers into the grave. They will tolerate nothing but absolute obedience to the will of allah.

I also agree there should be a separate topic for this subject.

Posted by: Betsy2009 10th Nov 2015, 02:28pm

Spaniards in South America
Everyone in North America
Templars in the Middle East.

Some would say what goes around comes around.

Yes, I know it was a while back and we've progressed since then (unless, of course, gold/diamonds/etc.) but you can almost understand why Muslim countries would be a bit angry with the West when we still try to put our systems on them. For example, turning a dictatorship into a democracy - all done for the 'good of the people' (in our opinion) but actually causes more trouble than was there in the first place.

Posted by: carmella 10th Nov 2015, 06:28pm

Aye, have to agree here with Dave, it was the British who discovered some of these continents, all totally different from the Exodus we seem to be having.

The old colonial days have nothing in common with this latest stuff at all.

Posted by: petunia 11th Nov 2015, 06:20pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 10th Nov 2015, 01:33pm) *
That would be like the old Empire/Commonwealth then!

First of all Betsy I don't think what is happening today is anything like the old Empire/Commonwealth
then.

Heard on our news last night that our Government will be giving a family of 4 $6,000 as soon as they arrive in Canada and $1,100 a month after that didn't mention how long for also housing etc. etc.

We have in Canada over 25,000 HOMELESS who will probably remain homeless while they house these refugees/migrants first in nice warm catered army barracks then into housing wherever they can find it they are even asking for volunteers for housing, maybe Angel has a spare room or two she can spare.

The new Government made this commitment and they cannot afford to ignore it as it would look really bad for them but they still can't give us "Joe Publics" any info on where these people are going but they did say it is going to cost in excess of 600 million dollars between getting them here by air, sea or whatever.

25,000 people is the size of some small towns in Canada and bigger than some.

Posted by: angel 12th Nov 2015, 08:23am

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/why-canada-should-take-in-20-times-more-refugees/

this article is from the 15 Sept. 2015 . and shows the numbers on just how much Canada has done for the refugees , some might find it interesting .

25,000 refugees coming to Canada is a drop in the bucket compared to what Germany has done , unfortunately it has turned sour on them , but I suppose they thought that other European countries would help , but they just build walls and fences .

Unfortunately for those souls trekking across Europe , I'm sure , they are unable to walk on water or fly on their own not as far as I can tell , so this would mean that they need the transport to get here , and I do hope that our new government manages to get it right . Although ,I did not vote for them , I do hope that they will manage to keep some of there promises .

Also Petunia as I mentioned before , when it comes to this business of my helping the refugees , that is my concern and most certainly not yours , so stick to the topic that you started and forget about making this thread your own personal soap box.

Posted by: Tally Rand 12th Nov 2015, 11:06am

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 10th Nov 2015, 12:33pm) *
That would be like the old Empire/Commonwealth then!

The "old Empire and Commonwealth (I still abide in the Commonwealth of Australia) left every country it touched with a democratic Westminster constitution i.e. Rule of the majority through the laws passed by an elected government. Parliamentary Democracy. How many countries of the "United Nations" can boast of democracy? Very few.

Posted by: Betsy2009 12th Nov 2015, 12:08pm

It's still foreigners coming in and taking over!

Posted by: marydee 12th Nov 2015, 01:21pm

It may have left a Paliamentry democracy but it left it in countries where tribal, kinship and religious affiliations were more important to the leadership of the indigenous population. It carved up countries putting borders and placing people where it best suited the needs of the West and look at the mess that has caused.

Posted by: john.mcn 12th Nov 2015, 06:21pm

QUOTE (angel @ 12th Nov 2015, 08:31am) *
25,000 refugees coming to Canada is a drop in the bucket compared to what Germany has done , unfortunately it has turned sour on them , but I suppose they thought that other European countries would help , but they just build walls and fences .

Unfortunately for those souls trekking across Europe , I'm sure , they are unable to walk on water or fly on their own not as far as I can tell , so this would mean that they need the transport to get here


Merkel did not open Germany's borders and drop the Dublin agreement because of the refugees plight, she did it because Germany's population is falling and it needs future workers to keep its position as a financial powerhouse. Germany created this problem and caused not only huge headaches for other countries in the way but heavy financial burdens on local populations as migrants trample over their country. Who in their right mind would book a holiday to the Greek islands for instance.
From what the migrants and news outlets say the fare for a dinghy and life vest costs more than a one way trip to Canada, problem there is that the airports have something called security, maybe you should lobby your elected representatives to drop all airport security for incoming flights from the region so that you too could bathe in the cultural wave flooding over Europe, after all airports are just international border crossings are they not.

Posted by: carmella 12th Nov 2015, 07:52pm

I am also of the same opinion, however, I don't think she realized at the outset the numbers that would be trying to enter. I feel she was caught short in her estimations,.

Posted by: angel 12th Nov 2015, 08:39pm

I do not profess to know much about German politics but I see nothing wrong with a country trying to keep it's economy at full strength . I also understand that Merkel is in trouble with her government over her open door policy regarding refugees . and she has now slowed the influx of refugees into her country with the exception of Greece .

Canada is still taking in 25,000 and as I have said it is only a drop in the bucket , when looking at the bigger picture , However I do hope that the Canadian government learns from the mistakes that Germany has made and will be able to do a better job .

Posted by: Tally Rand 14th Nov 2015, 12:59am

QUOTE (marydee @ 12th Nov 2015, 01:29pm) *
It may have left a Paliamentry democracy but it left it in countries where tribal, kinship and religious affiliations were more important to the leadership of the indigenous population. It carved up countries putting borders and placing people where it best suited the needs of the West and look at the mess that has caused.

Not taking into account the Rawanda divide between Hutsies and Tutsies that left a million dead and tens of thousands with limbs removed in barbaric tribal rituals. Angola; same thing and in the Belgian Congo.

When the British withdrew from India, there was an immediate surge of inter religious violence that divided the country leaving over a million dead and leading to the Bangladeshi war 20 odd years later.

As for Afghanistan there has been nothing but tribal massacres since the dawn of Islam. You apparently live in a parliamentary democracy, not invented out of the blue, but systematically developed and handed down through civil war the eventually resulted in the tribes of Britain reconciling their differences.

Posted by: angel 14th Nov 2015, 04:25am



I always thought that Democracy began through
the teaching of Christianity over the centuries .

Posted by: john.mcn 14th Nov 2015, 09:46am



Might want to buy a history book then...


Posted by: angel 14th Nov 2015, 03:03pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 14th Nov 2015, 08:54am) *
Might want to buy a history book then...



Christianity has influenced through the centuries , so called
democratic governments , from Roman times .
So you go read a history book and give your self a break
from trying to bring me down with your spiteful posts .






Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Nov 2015, 03:17pm

Democracy is widely accepted as starting in Greece - the clue is in the word. I do not believe the Greeks were Christian at the time.

Posted by: angel 14th Nov 2015, 03:32pm



but Christian's where around during Roman times .

Posted by: Betsy2009 14th Nov 2015, 03:35pm

QUOTE (angel @ 14th Nov 2015, 03:11pm) *
Christianity has influenced through the centuries , so called
democratic governments , from Roman times .
So you go read a history book and give your self a break
from trying to bring me down with your spiteful posts .



I don't think that people are trying to be spiteful, angel although some could have been more polite. It's just that there were forms of democracy around before Jesus was born or rather Christianity was born.

Posted by: angel 14th Nov 2015, 03:50pm

Betsy ,, there have been many types of democracies during the ages .

I mention Roman , because Christianity was there during part of the time that the Roman Empire existed .

Posted by: carmella 14th Nov 2015, 03:56pm

QUOTE (angel @ 14th Nov 2015, 03:58pm) *
Betsy ,, there have been many types of democracies during the ages .

I mention Roman , because Christianity was there during part of the
time that the Roman Empire existed .

Yes, and they were fed to the lions. I also do not think anyone is being spiteful to you Angel, you've said things like this before, and I don't think it's the case.

Christianity is young, it's only been around for 2000 years, starting in Judea. But, there are thinkers who say it began 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve sinned. Och aye, those two were naughty.

Posted by: angel 14th Nov 2015, 06:12pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 14th Nov 2015, 04:04pm) *
Yes, and they were fed to the lions. I also do not think anyone is being spiteful to you Angel, you've said things like this before, and I don't think it's the case.

Christianity is young, it's only been around for 2000 years, starting in Judea. But, there are thinkers who say it began 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve sinned. Och aye, those two were naughty.


with regards to your thought" on my post#33 I really don't care . However , it you are determined to let others know your opinion on this important matter then just carry on . it is a democratic board after all or it's supposed to be . I think.!!

Posted by: john.mcn 14th Nov 2015, 07:10pm

QUOTE (angel @ 14th Nov 2015, 03:11pm) *
Christianity has influenced through the centuries , so called democratic governments , from Roman times . So you go read a history book and give your self a break from trying to bring me down with your spiteful posts .


Not being spiteful at all, i was offering advice to you to buy a history book if you were of the opinion that democracy started with Christianity. Like has been said, and dare i say it accepted as fact for a couple of thousand years, democracy is credited to the Ancient Greeks as is the word politics.


BTW it's not a democratic board.

Posted by: Betsy2009 14th Nov 2015, 07:17pm

That's just semantics, as you know!!!

Posted by: john.mcn 14th Nov 2015, 07:22pm

Well maybe Christianity hasn't influenced it yet..

Posted by: bilbo.s 14th Nov 2015, 07:31pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 14th Nov 2015, 08:25pm) *
That's just semantics, as you know!!!



I know about Greeks and Romans, but who the hell were the Semantics? Any relation to the Pedantics?

Posted by: wombat 14th Nov 2015, 07:45pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 14th Nov 2015, 08:39pm) *
I know about Greeks and Romans, but who the hell were the Semantics?


laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: petunia 14th Nov 2015, 08:40pm

Carmella is seems it is a waste of time giving your or anyone else's opinion on this board so we may as well not bother as every time you disagree with anything Angel has to say "SHE DOSEN'T CARE' but as it is a democratic board she has given you and I at times permission to carry on since it is such an important matter on when Christianity started.

Don't know about pedantic and semantic but it is definitely PATHETIC

Posted by: Betsy2009 14th Nov 2015, 09:08pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 14th Nov 2015, 07:39pm) *
I know about Greeks and Romans, but who the hell were the Semantics? Any relation to the Pedantics?


Kissing Cousins.

Posted by: angel 14th Nov 2015, 10:17pm

I hear on tonight's news , that our Prime Minister will not be changing his plans , on bringing the refugees to Canada , Suits me biggrin.gif

Posted by: angel 14th Nov 2015, 10:25pm

Well , Petunia , I know about Semantic , so maybe you should change your
attitude here .

Posted by: petunia 14th Nov 2015, 11:33pm

QUOTE (angel @ 14th Nov 2015, 10:33pm) *
Well , Petunia , I know about Semantic , so maybe you should change your
attitude here .


I will if you will thumbup.gif

Posted by: Talisman 15th Nov 2015, 12:19am

QUOTE (angel @ 14th Nov 2015, 04:33am) *
I always thought that Democracy began through
the teaching of Christianity over the centuries .

Demo Cratis is Greek. Established in Athens as "the rule of the people" 500 years prior to Christianity. No Christian country ever became democratic in the true sense of the word until late in the 17th century.

Even it England (home of parliamentary democracy) there never was universal suffrage until the 20th century.

Christianity and democracy may sound good but are in no way mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Tally Rand 15th Nov 2015, 12:43am

QUOTE (angel @ 14th Nov 2015, 03:58pm) *
Betsy ,, there have been many types of democracies during the ages .

I mention Roman , because Christianity was there during part of the time that the Roman Empire existed .

Pray tell what part of the Roman Empire are you referring to. It never was democratic at any time in it's history. Christianity became the official religion of Rome (Citizens of Rome not the Roman Empire) in 380 under the rule of Theodosis. After his death the Roman Empire collapsed and never recovered. Therefore there never was a "Christian Roman Empire" as the east and west factions of the church were divided and never were reconciled. (Orthodox Eastern and Roman Catholic).

There would be a case here for even a superficial reading of history as what you are arguing here is total self generated mythology.

Posted by: angel 15th Nov 2015, 02:36am

QUOTE (Tally Rand @ 14th Nov 2015, 11:51pm) *
Pray tell what part of the Roman Empire are you referring to. It never was democratic at any time in it's history. Christianity became the official religion of Rome (Citizens of Rome not the Roman Empire) in 380 under the rule of Theodosis. After his death the Roman Empire collapsed and never recovered. Therefore there never was a "Christian Roman Empire" as the east and west factions of the church were divided and never were reconciled. (Orthodox Eastern and Roman Catholic).

There would be a case here for even a superficial reading of history as what you are arguing here is total self generated mythology.

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The Roman Empire was never Democratic in today's definition of the word
" democracy" .

But the teaching of Christianity has managed to change man-kinds thoughts on this type of governing . It is unfortunately not perfect but probably better than in Roman times . So until someone comes up with a better solution for human kind , we will have to stick with the type of Democracy that we know.

Perhaps ' TallyRand would you have a solution ?

Posted by: angel 15th Nov 2015, 04:51am

QUOTE (petunia @ 14th Nov 2015, 11:41pm) *
I will if you will thumbup.gif


. . .

Posted by: angel 19th Nov 2015, 03:26pm

Canada's New Defence Minister

He looks so dashing , biggrin.gif

https://news.vice.com/article/everyone-thinks-canadas-new-defense-minister-looks-badass

Posted by: Doug1 19th Nov 2015, 05:03pm

Re. Petunias post.

On a report I recently read the quoted date of 2050 is when it is believed Islam will be level with Christianity in following and by 2070 will have the worlds largest following. The figures are based on fertility rates of all the major population groups.

Posted by: bilbo.s 19th Nov 2015, 05:08pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 19th Nov 2015, 06:11pm) *
Re. Petunias post.

On a report I recently read the quoted date of 2050 is when it is believed Islam will be level with Christianity in following and by 2070 will have the worlds largest following. The figures are based on fertility rates of all the major population groups.


I'm waiting for atheism to catch up, but I'm a bit past doing anything about the fertility rate!

Posted by: angel 19th Nov 2015, 05:31pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 19th Nov 2015, 04:11pm) *
Re. Petunias post.

On a report I recently read the quoted date of 2050 is when it is believed Islam will be level with Christianity in following and by 2070 will have the worlds largest following. The figures are based on fertility rates of all the major population groups.


Hi Doug , I too have read a few of those articles and should this mean that Christianity is on it's way out, Then I would say that the problem is Christians themselves , who are becoming more Secular in their daily life style .

Posted by: angel 20th Nov 2015, 02:59pm

In today's news ,
the refugees will begin arriving in Canada by Dec .1st they will arrive in Toronto and Montreal coming from Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan . About 900 daily until the quota is reached .

Posted by: Doug1 20th Nov 2015, 03:33pm

QUOTE (angel @ 19th Nov 2015, 05:39pm) *
Hi Doug , I too have read a few of those articles and should this mean that Christianity is on it's way out, Then I would say that the problem is Christians themselves , who are becoming more Secular in their daily life style .


Mainly fertility Angel, how many children families have. If you take Germany for example where not enough children are being born to sustain their population, let alone increase it, so they allow mass migration into their country to counter-balance the figure. In Britain, as at 2014, the most popular boys name for children born was Muhammad, says it all does it not.

Posted by: angel 20th Nov 2015, 04:38pm

[quote name='Doug1' date='20th Nov 2015, 02:41pm' post='3708177']
Mainly fertility Angel, how many children families have. If you take Germany for example where not enough children are being born to sustain their population, let alone increase it, so they allow mass migration into their country to counter-balance the figure. In Britain, as at 2014, the most popular boys name for children born was Muhammad, says it all does it not.
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lets hope Doug , that there isn't to many named Assad smile.gif

Posted by: Betsy2009 20th Nov 2015, 04:59pm

Only shows the lack of variety in the names.

Posted by: Tally Rand 23rd Nov 2015, 10:30pm

QUOTE (angel @ 15th Nov 2015, 02:44am) *
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The Roman Empire was never Democratic in today's definition of the word
" democracy" .

But the teaching of Christianity has managed to change man-kinds thoughts on this type of governing . It is unfortunately not perfect but probably better than in Roman times . So until someone comes up with a better solution for human kind , we will have to stick with the type of Democracy that we know.

Perhaps ' TallyRand would you have a solution ?

The solution is certainly not Christianity. Never in the 2000 years or so of Christianity has there not been "Wars or rumours of wars" between those pertaining to be Christian; indeed how many of those wars were waged for the ascendency of one Christian sect over another. Religious wars were fought for centuries in Europe and the East.. The Crusades were biggest blood bath in the name of Christ where the first casualties were Eastern Christians (Because they look like Moslems) massacred by the blue eyed fair skinned Christians of the Roman persuasion.

Posted by: Tally Rand 23rd Nov 2015, 10:31pm

QUOTE (angel @ 15th Nov 2015, 02:44am) *
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The Roman Empire was never Democratic in today's definition of the word
" democracy" .

But the teaching of Christianity has managed to change man-kinds thoughts on this type of governing . It is unfortunately not perfect but probably better than in Roman times . So until someone comes up with a better solution for human kind , we will have to stick with the type of Democracy that we know.

Perhaps ' TallyRand would you have a solution ?

Solution to what. Using these posts to proselytize A particular brand of religious righteousness.

Posted by: angel 24th Nov 2015, 07:07pm

QUOTE (Tally Rand @ 23rd Nov 2015, 10:39pm) *
Solution to what. Using these posts to proselytize A particular brand of religious righteousness.


I actually thought that I was talking about Democracy , or do you consider democracy to be a religion, if so , carry on . and yes ! I say to each his own . Never have I tried to convert anyone . you are talking a load of nonsense as far as I am concerned .

Posted by: angel 25th Nov 2015, 02:17pm

Canada , will now bring in the 25 thousand refugees
between now and February , it's best that the plan
be spread out over the 3months ,
they will be coming from camps in Lebanon ,Turkey
and Jordan , and will be housed in military barracks
on a temporary situation , also another 10 thousand
immigrants privately sponsored by mid 2016 . a
much better plan for all involved ,of course including
the refugees .
At the press conference yesterday , the minister was asked
how many Christian's would be accepted from the refugees,
His answer was , we are dealing with the most desperate
and vulnerable , religion is not a consideration . smile.gif
also the cost to the country , He said " #677million over 6 yrs
but it will balance out in time as it has done before with
similar situations in the past .

Posted by: Betsy2009 25th Nov 2015, 03:24pm

He also said ''But No Single Straight Men''.
Does he really think that no gay men would be dangerous?
Silly stereotypical rubbish.

Posted by: angel 25th Nov 2015, 04:07pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 25th Nov 2015, 02:32pm) *
He also said ''But No Single Straight Men''.
Does he really think that no gay men would be dangerous?
Silly stereotypical rubbish.


Hi Betsy , I'm not sure if your post is meant to be
tongue in cheek or not , however he never did
make such a remark .


Posted by: Betsy2009 25th Nov 2015, 04:34pm

This is where I saw it, angel.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/canada-will-welcome-25000-refugees-but-no-single-straight-men/ar-BBnprC9?ocid=spartandhp

Posted by: angel 25th Nov 2015, 05:34pm



hi Betsy .I don't have the time to read you link
but I will do so later .

However I have asked my family to buy me
a book on todays Islam for Christmas
, I think that I am Christian enough to learn the
true meaning of that religion .. Cheers , Pat .

Posted by: angel 26th Nov 2015, 04:13am

QUOTE (angel @ 25th Nov 2015, 04:42pm) *
hi Betsy .I don't have the time to read you link
but I will do so later .

However I have asked my family to buy me
a book on todays Islam for Christmas
, I think that I am Christian enough to learn the
true meaning of that religion .. Cheers , Pat .

------------------------------------

hi Betsy , I have just read your link , I did hear that
Canada would not take single men as refugees because
of security reasons , but never have I heard gay men
being mentioned in particular . and certainly not at the
press conference on Tuesday given by John McCallum
minister of Immigration and Refugees which my post
was about , I guess the Press will say anything
to sell papers . Cheers smile.gif




Posted by: angel 26th Nov 2015, 04:52am

QUOTE (angel @ 26th Nov 2015, 03:21am) *
------------------------------------

hi Betsy , I have just read your link , I did hear that
Canada would not take single men as refugees because
of security reasons , but never have I heard gay men
being mentioned in particular . and certainly not at the
press conference on Tuesday given by John McCallum
minister of Immigration and Refugees which my post
was about , I guess the Press will say anything
to sell papers . Cheers smile.gif


p.s . homosexuals
here have the same human rights
as Heterosexuals .

Posted by: Betsy2009 26th Nov 2015, 10:50am

p.s . homosexuals
here have the same human rights
as Heterosexuals .

I should hope so! smile.gif

Posted by: carmella 26th Nov 2015, 02:43pm

Happy Thanksgiving to our Canadian members [the originators of the day], and also those living in the States.
http://www.glitter-graphics.com

Posted by: petunia 26th Nov 2015, 05:45pm

Thanks Carmella but Thanksgiving was last month in Canada.

Posted by: carmella 26th Nov 2015, 09:45pm

That's ok Petunia, but I forgot about it then, was reminded today.

Posted by: Doug1 27th Nov 2015, 05:12pm

QUOTE (angel @ 14th Nov 2015, 03:58pm) *
Betsy ,, there have been many types of democracies during the ages .

I mention Roman , because Christianity was there during part of the time that the Roman Empire existed .


Quite so. Christianity was introduced into the Roman Empire in the early part of the 4th century by Emperors Constantine I and Licinius and in the latter part of the century became the official state religion of the Roman Empire.

Posted by: bilbo.s 27th Nov 2015, 05:50pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 27th Nov 2015, 06:20pm) *
Quite so. Christianity was introduced into the Roman Empire in the early part of the 4th century by Emperors Constantine I and Licinius and in the latter part of the century became the official state religion of the Roman Empire.


Doug, if you read the whole of the thread, you will see the point made that the Roman Empire was never a democracy, even in the short time it became Christian.

Posted by: angel 27th Nov 2015, 06:26pm

I see today that the father of the young Syrian boy whose drowned body was found on a beach has been granted asylum in Canada as have other family members .

If you recall he lost his wife and young children on that boat trip , but his sister says that he told her he was coming to Canada to give his young family a new life but having lost them , he now has no reason to come here . and will stay were he is , but his other family members are coming to Canada .

His sister is obviously saddened about his decision but say's that she won't quit trying to make him change his mind . sad.gif

Posted by: Betsy2009 27th Nov 2015, 06:40pm

Oh I don't know. I think the Romans had a democracy. Everyone in the senate had a vote, depending on the rich and powerful's wishes. That's what we have now, isn't it? At least it's called a democracy so it must be the same.
huh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 27th Nov 2015, 07:10pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 27th Nov 2015, 07:48pm) *
Oh I don't know. I think the Romans had a democracy. Everyone in the senate had a vote, depending on the rich and powerful's wishes. That's what we have now, isn't it? At least it's called a democracy so it must be the same.
huh.gif



Hmm! At least the plebs nowadays have their illusions massaged by going to the polling booth. The patricians are still in charge.

Posted by: Doug1 27th Nov 2015, 07:16pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 27th Nov 2015, 05:58pm) *
Doug, if you read the whole of the thread, you will see the point made that the Roman Empire was never a democracy, even in the short time it became Christian.



Wasn't following the thread Bill, in fact not even sure what the thread is actually about, I simply replied to an odd post that I picked up on.

Posted by: Talisman 1st Dec 2015, 01:04am

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 27th Nov 2015, 06:48pm) *
Oh I don't know. I think the Romans had a democracy. Everyone in the senate had a vote, depending on the rich and powerful's wishes. That's what we have now, isn't it? At least it's called a democracy so it must be the same.
huh.gif

Only Patricians and high Ranking military commanders ETC. Ever rose to the Senate. Their "democratic" conventions were more dictatorial than democratic. The whole economy and ethos was based on slave holding and those who ran the Empire were those having the most farmed land and the most slaves.

Posted by: Betsy2009 1st Dec 2015, 07:55am

Exactly. See, I told you that it was the same as now.

Posted by: angel 10th Dec 2015, 07:15pm



Tonight , here in Ontario the first batch of Syrian refugees
will arrive in Toronto around midnight , "Ontario time ", Via
Military Fights and over the weekend , others in Montreal .
yes.gif


Posted by: Elma 10th Dec 2015, 11:39pm

Two more families arrived here in Vancouver last night, They are related, husbands are brothers, so they will be located close to each other. They will join other refugees who are already in B.C. sponsored privately. I believe the government sponsored ones will arrive shortly.

Posted by: petunia 11th Dec 2015, 02:21pm


Jagz, thought you might like this video of your hockey team's Christmas
greetings, good job they play hockey better than they sing.
just to lighten up all this other stuff a little.



Let it Go” performed by the Montreal Canadiens
youtube.com

Posted by: carmella 11th Dec 2015, 04:11pm

I think this is what Petunia meant to post, she's right they play better than they sing - but the gesture was heart warming.


Posted by: petunia 11th Dec 2015, 06:04pm

Thanks Carmella I'm still learning!!!!!! not very good at trying to download anything.

Posted by: angel 11th Dec 2015, 09:55pm



tThe first refuges arrived in Toronto
just after midnight today.
They were welcomed by ,Prime minister
Justin Trudeau and
Premier Kathleen Wynne of Ontario
amongst others .
A comment I read from a Canadian chat forum
about this was , " and those poor bas--rd's
had to put up with the " Dynamic Duo " biggrin.gif





Posted by: wombat 11th Dec 2015, 10:27pm

rolleyes.gif don't know why everyones freakin out about syrian refugees,house a few near a water scource give em garden tools and watch things grow,the Vietnamese community did it , and are now an important factor in market gardening in Oz thumbup.gif

Posted by: Melody 12th Dec 2015, 09:40am

Well done Canada in welcoming the new Syrian refugees and well done Prime Minister Trudeau and Premier Wynne in personally welcoming the families. smile.gif

Posted by: angel 13th Dec 2015, 12:22am

I don't doubt for one second that the refugees
will not come up against many problems in
their attempt at making a new life for themselves ,
but I think that they have what it takes and
I personally , along with 68% of the Canadian population
are of the same mind , just watching the refugees on TV
and seeing how happy they where although I know that
happy is not a permanent condition
but this whole business of Canada
giving them asylum is good and worthwhile
and not wrong .
I wish them all the best in their new lives
and hope that they give it a good go .

Posted by: angel 13th Dec 2015, 12:39am



I wasn't able to edit some of my post
but I'm sure you will get the general idea .

Another military plane will be bringing in
more refugees tonight in Montreal . smile.gif

Posted by: wellfield 14th Dec 2015, 04:37pm

I always found the majority of Canadians to be amongst the most level headed people in this mixed up world.Good luck to the newcomers,and the good thing is they all will be documented as opposed to the 11 + million undocumented persons we have here in the United States.

Posted by: angel 15th Dec 2015, 06:57pm


Yes Campbell , that is a lot of people not paying their taxes to the
government it is of course much better to go through the proper
channels for all concerned .

I don't think that it will be all bread and honey for the
Syrian refugees here , but they are getting a chance ,
although , the Canadian economy isn't at it's best
but if they can go the course , I'm hopeful that they
will fit in just fine . Cheers Pat .

Posted by: wellfield 15th Dec 2015, 07:23pm

QUOTE (angel @ 15th Dec 2015, 11:05am) *
Yes Campbell , that is a lot of people not paying their taxes to the
government it is of course much better to go through the proper
channels for all concerned .

I don't think that it will be all bread and honey for the
Syrian refugees here , but they are getting a chance ,
although , the Canadian economy isn't at it's best
but if they can go the course , I'm hopeful that they
will fit in just fine . Cheers Pat .
Well' Angel,we both did it in our time many years ago,so now it's their chance,will be a great life for their children.

Posted by: petunia 19th Dec 2015, 03:29pm

Canada is finding that many Syrian refugees are reluctant to travel so far afield, a stumbling block as the country works to identify thousands of newcomers to bring here within a matter of months.

Initial efforts in November by the United Nations to find Syrians in refugee camps keen on rapidly relocating thousands of kilometres to Canada as government-sponsored refugees bore relatively little fruit, new figures released by Ottawa show.


Syrian refugees who receive a 1 rating will be on a list of as many as 10,000 names that the UNHCR office in Jordan will offer to the Canadian government.

Refugees

The Globe’s Mark MacKinnon in a UNHCR refugee screening centre

Only about 6.3 per cent of refugees contacted indicated they were interested in coming to Canada when the UN got in touch with them between Nov. 18 and 26. This was chiefly in Jordan but also in Lebanon.

The Canadian government, which released these numbers Wednesday, insists refugee interest has grown since late November – but could provide no numbers to back that up. They acknowledged many refugees in camps are still hoping they might return to Syria or want to remain in the region.

Immigration Minister John McCallum said Canada can still meet its targets despite reluctance among some.

“There’s about four millions refugees that we can draw on. And so if a smaller percentage wants to come, we just contact more,” he told reporters in Surrey, B.C.

“There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, having seen many of these refugee applicants over there, spoken to a few through an interpreter, that there’s a huge enthusiasm to come to Canada. It’s just a question of the logistics of connecting us to them.”

The Liberals have promised to bring 25,000 government-assisted refugees to Canada by 2016, with Ottawa saying it will give preference to the most vulnerable. They are separate from the 10,000 Syrians being sponsored privately by individual Canadians and groups, who will cover first-year living costs and have selected their own refugees – often relatives. Most of this second group will arrive later in December.

Beginning Nov. 18, the United Nations refugee agency sent text messages to more than 41,000 Syrians asking if they wanted to come to Canada by the end of February, 2016. They later found that only about 28,500 of the phone numbers worked.

More than 3,000 refugees ended up coming for interviews with the UN and ultimately only about 1,800 indicated they were interested in coming to Canada by February, Ottawa said. These were referred to the Department of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship for screening.

A senior Canadian official, speaking at a background briefing for reporters Wednesday, said it’s normal that potential refugee numbers get whittled down as the UN contacts prospective candidates.

“It’s just a reality that as much as we are eager to welcome the 25,000 people … some of them want to stay close to home. Some of them still want to be able to return to Syria and are hopeful there will be a resolution to the conflict there,” the official said.

The government still insists it’s on track to bring 15,000 government-assisted refugees to Canada by the end of February, 2016. About 8,000 private-sponsored refugees are expected before Christmas as well as 2,000 government-assisted newcomers. The Liberal government promises to bring in another 10,000 government-supported refugees by the end of 2016.

The Trudeau government has branded the resettlement of thousands of refugees as a “national project” that will ease the four-year-old refugee crisis unfolding in the Middle East and in Europe as a result of chaos in Syria.

Still, the relatively low number of Syrians who initially accepted the invitation to enter the federal program shows that coming to Canada is not every refugee’s first choice.

Some of them “hope against hope” that they will be able to return home eventually, said Paul Clarke, executive director of Action Réfugiés Montreal. He added that it is hard for Syrian refugees to grasp exactly how they will adapt to their new home, learn a new language and find a way to earn a living, especially if they lack the necessary education.

“The decision to cross an ocean forever is obviously a major one, and not one that people necessarily want to make,” Mr. Clarke said in an interview.

Alexandra Kotyk, project manager for Lifeline Syria, said interest among prospective government-sponsored refugees could pick up after some initially settle in Canada. “Once reporting gets back from a community that has been resettled here – with people reporting back that this is a good place – then they will start to want to come in bigger numbers.”

The Liberal government is still unable to state precisely where the refugees will be settling in Canada.

Mayors and provincial ministers have been seeking firm details on the geographic distribution of the first 15,000 government-sponsored refugees, both to get ready for their arrival but also to try to get as many of them as possible to settle in their communities. This comes amid concerns that a large majority of the refugees will choose to settle in Canada’s biggest cities.

Bureaucrats say, however, that they are not used to determining in advance where refugees will be settling, and have refused to create firm targets to be met in coming months.

A senior federal public servant told reporters at Wednesday’s briefing that a clear challenge is that there is now a thirst for “degrees of information in advance for this movement [of people] that never exists for other movements.”

The official added that in normal situations, “communities didn’t know normally exactly how many refugees would be arriving in the next calendar year.” He added that bureaucrats will create “notional targets” by city, but added that the targets will be continuously adjusted to accommodate the needs of the newcomers.

Another federal official said that “destination matching” can only occur after government workers have interviewed refugees, pointing out that they are most likely to stay in an area if they have family members who are already present.

“We like to see people settle and not move out two weeks later,” the official said. “If they have family members in a particular community, that is a strong indicator of where they should be settled as government-assisted refugees.”

The bureaucrats also try to gauge whether the refugees have particular needs, such as mental-health care, when determining where they should settle.

With a report from Sunny Dhillon in Vancouver

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ALSO ON THE GLOBE AND MAIL

Posted by: wellfield 19th Dec 2015, 04:09pm

Good article!....always good to read the (in depth) story....thanks Petunia

Posted by: angel 19th Dec 2015, 07:27pm



http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/syrian-refugees-lukewarm-on-coming-to-canada-by-december-31-officials-say

It took me about maybe 3years to make up my mind
if we should move to Canada or no , and of course it was
my choice eventually to immigrate , There was no Assad's
or Isis in Scotland who would influence or force me out of my
country as has happened with the Syrian people






However , when it comes to those Syrian refugees that is another
matter, and I don't doubt that for one second those people would
give their right hand to get their lives back to what they know

But Canada is giving those souls the opportunity to begin a
new life , but it is ultimately the Syrian refugees who make the
decision to come to Canada or not and I do not think for one second it will be easy for them as they are living in hope that the West will solve their
problems , but until that day comes I truly hope that they can find
asylum here in Canada .
The trauma that those people have been through is something that we in Scotland or Canada can ever imagine . " Thank God !









Posted by: petunia 19th Dec 2015, 11:52pm

..

Just one of the 200 comments on the post you gave us Angel, I guess what some of the people on
here have been saying is correct.







Mark Smith · Works at CBC Toronto

The reason isn't because they want to go home, it's because they've been reading the websites and booklets that teach them where the biggest welfare handouts are.

In Germany, Sweden and the UK, the welfare payments are much more generous
then Canada's and instead of an apartment in a crappy high crime social housing project like Regent park, you are given a nice house in those countries.

These people may actually be legitimate refugees unlike the mass of men flooding Europe, but they are still shopping for the best freebies they can get,.

Like · Reply · 90 · Dec 4, 2015 12:48am · Edited

Posted by: angel 20th Dec 2015, 02:10am

[quote name='petunia' date='20th Dec 2015, 12:00am' post='3709922']
..

Just one of the 200 comments on the post you gave us Angel, I guess what some of the people on
here have been saying is correct.

Quote

Now just what post and comment is it you refer to
Page 7 - I made 4 comments
page 6 - I made 3 comments
page 5 - I made 6 comments
page 4 -I made 8comments
page 3 three comments on democracy '
Now where are those 200 that you mention , EH
and also just what have other poster's on this thread been saying
and where are they ....., I don't see them .

As for Mark Smith, I don't give a damn where he works, and as for his opinion
this board is full of the same .

Now and once again , I , like the majority of Canadians
am in agreement with helping those refugees
and I truly hope that it will work out for all
those concerned in this huge humanitarian effort .

Also Madam !I have never at any time said that you or
other's are not entitled to your opinion on this topic or
any other for that matter , that is simply a figment of
your imagination .








Posted by: Betsy2009 20th Dec 2015, 10:50am

''Just one of the 200 comments on the post you gave us Angel, I guess what some of the people on
here have been saying is correct.''

So what have people been saying, Petunia?

Posted by: petunia 20th Dec 2015, 12:55pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 20th Dec 2015, 11:58am) *
''Just one of the 200 comments on the post you gave us Angel, I guess what some of the people on
here have been saying is correct.''

So what have people been saying, Petunia?



Maybe you and "Madam" (your cohort) can get together and figure it out Betsy.


Posted by: Betsy2009 20th Dec 2015, 01:49pm

QUOTE (petunia @ 20th Dec 2015, 01:03pm) *
Maybe you and "Madam" (your cohort) can get together and figure it out Betsy.



So nothing then!

Surely you can't knock angel's warm heart?

Posted by: petunia 20th Dec 2015, 02:16pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 20th Dec 2015, 02:57pm) *
So nothing then!

Surely you can't knock angel's warm heart?



Never had that impression of Angel tongue.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 20th Dec 2015, 04:30pm

QUOTE (angel @ 20th Dec 2015, 02:18am) *
Now just what post and comment is it you refer to
Page 7 - I made 4 comments
page 6 - I made 3 comments
page 5 - I made 6 comments
page 4 -I made 8comments
page 3 three comments on democracy '
Now where are those 200 that you mention , EH
and also just what have other poster's on this thread been saying
and where are they ....., I don't see them .

As for Mark Smith, I don't give a damn where he works, and as for his opinion
this board is full of the same .

Now and once again , I , like the majority of Canadians
am in agreement with helping those refugees
and I truly hope that it will work out for all
those concerned in this huge humanitarian effort .

Also Madam !I have never at any time said that you or
other's are not entitled to your opinion on this topic or
any other for that matter , that is simply a figment of
your imagination .


Petunia is referring to a comment from a person on that link you gave, if you click it and scroll down you'll see 201 replies to the story. Mark Smith is one of many who are questioning the politicians policy to offer places while some others are asking why so few Syrians have taken up the offer if they are 'fleeing' the war.

Maybe the Canadian government can instead offer houses and benefits to some people in Glasgow, that would free up some houses for the next lot of in bound Syrians as i'm sure many will jump at the chance.

Posted by: wellfield 20th Dec 2015, 05:22pm

One of the reasons that I don't post too much on opinion type threads is that when one does they get pecked to death.

Posted by: Betsy2009 20th Dec 2015, 05:37pm

''Petunia is referring to a comment from a person on that link you gave, if you click it and scroll down you'll see 201 replies to the story.''

Ah - thank you, John.

Can I go to Canada too please?

Posted by: Betsy2009 20th Dec 2015, 05:40pm

''One of the reasons that I don't post too much on opinion type threads is that when one does they get pecked to death.''

I only asked a question, Wellfield. Honest!

Posted by: petunia 20th Dec 2015, 05:48pm

QUOTE (wellfield @ 20th Dec 2015, 05:30pm) *
One of the reasons that I don't post too much on opinion type threads is that when one does they get pecked to death.



Thank you Wellfield I'm so glad someone read my post properly and wasn't quick to criticise and
as usual abuse in the name of caring, that is also a reason I don't post on a lot of these threads
because of the pecking to death by some if your opinion differs from theirs.

Posted by: petunia 20th Dec 2015, 05:57pm

Thank you Johnmcn for your explanation of my post.

Posted by: angel 20th Dec 2015, 06:21pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 20th Dec 2015, 04:48pm) *
''One of the reasons that I don't post too much on opinion type threads is that when one does they get pecked to death.''

I only asked a question, Wellfield. Honest!


HA Ha ! I'm sure Betsy that Wellfield knows that you only asked
a question but I think that his point is , that there are those posters
who will go to any length to prove another wrong .
I'm thinking to much time on their hands ! nothing much else to do .
probably they have a very dull life style !.

Today I made time to watch a TV programme about
the Halifax explosion during WW1 in Nova Scotia , which
is considered the worst explosion in any city since Hiroshima

By the way , I did see this same programme on CBC some
time ago .

Because we are nearing Christmas I thought that I would relate
this story .

During that Horrific time in Halifax , the city of Boston USA
sent all types of medical supplies and help to Halifax which was desperately needed
and to this day , Nova Scotia sends Boston every Christmas ,
A Nova Scotian Balsom Fir tree for Christmas to my favourite city ,
the Fir Tree is considered one of the best Christmas trees
on this planet . thumbup.gif























































































































Posted by: Betsy2009 20th Dec 2015, 06:45pm

Well I've looked at some of the posts under the article and it's same old boring Me, Me, Me.

Posted by: angel 20th Dec 2015, 08:06pm

Hi Betsy , I'm not to sure by your post , if you are
relating to this terrible disaster or actually my post .
However I will post this link and just maybe others
would be interested .

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/halifax-explosion/

Posted by: angel 20th Dec 2015, 10:58pm

john.mcn
post Today, 03:38pm

Post #106



Mega City Key Holder
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Posts: 4,001
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Maybe the Canadian government can instead offer houses and benefits to some people in Glasgow, that would free up some houses for the next lot of in bound Syrians as i'm sure many will jump at the chance.
--------------------------------

The CN Railway Co. have already donated $5million to the housing situation regarding refugees to Canada plus other private companies .
So why does Scotland have a problem dealing with it .

they too can do the same . Yesssssssssssss

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Dec 2015, 07:55pm



Maybe because we dont have companies like the CN Railway Co donating millions rolleyes.gif

Posted by: angel 21st Dec 2015, 08:46pm


oh dear I did expect a better comment from you '

I do however know that the UK railroads are
franchised to foreign Companies who make fortunes
from British rail but by the same token , British rail
also makes a fortune , and I understand that
public Bus transport is also foreign owned , , and all
concerned making big profits .
So I would say that they are not poverised by a long shot and
along with other companies could well afford to donate money
towards housing the immigrants if only on a temporary basis .

Posted by: petunia 21st Dec 2015, 08:53pm

QUOTE (angel @ 21st Dec 2015, 12:06am) *
john.mcn
post Today, 03:38pm

Post #106



Mega City Key Holder30th Mar 2008

The CN Railway Co. have already donated $5million to the housing situation regarding refugees to Canada plus other private companies .
So why does Scotland have a problem dealing with it .

they too can do the same . Yesssssssssssss



Maybe Scotland isn't the only people and place with the problem or will be. Comments from your quoted
article.

Derek Wildstar

Let's hope the grinch Hunter Harrison follows suit. After all he will be forcing us to work Christmas Day while he and his senior staff will be at home for Christmas Day!!!!!

Like · Reply · 1 · Dec 11, 2015 6:21pm
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Don White

CN figures it's worth $5 million to keep the Federal watchdogs from questioning their safety track (no pun intended) record

Like · Reply · 1 · Dec 11, 2015 2:32pm
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Jon Xavier

Laid off hundreds, if not thousands of their own employees. Employees with families, mortgages, etc., but goes and gives $5M away to refugees. Unbelievable.

Like · Reply · 1 · Dec 12, 2015 12:37am

Derek Wildstar

Hunter Harrison laid off 7000 or so at CP Rail and in his first year was paid over $50 million. That guy is one crooked sob!!!

Like · Reply · Dec 12, 2015 2:41pm
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Ricardo John Deconto

Talk about a tax write off

Like · Reply · 1 · Dec 11, 2015 2:37pm
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Gerry Kiplingg

What a scum bag

Posted by: john.mcn 21st Dec 2015, 09:16pm

IRT Angel

Ohh i had another comment lined up but figured it would get deleted rolleyes.gif

Are you really sitting there saying that private companies should put up millions to house foreigners because some short sighted, out of touch, knee jerk, jump on the band wagon reactionary politician says hey lets bring in 10's of thousands of refugees because thats what almost every other idiotic leader in Europe is doing?(and now regretting)
I'm of the opinion that politicians who makes these decisions make them full in the knowledge that the ones who pay for it are the people who get to choose if the politician's are in a job after the next election. If they get away with making these sort of decisions (or any decisions) without any cost to 'us, the people' then they'll continue to make stupid, ill thought out decisions simply because there's no fall back or repercussions . Politics should be about making grown up decisions and taking the fallback, not making decisions then taking no responsibility for paying for them.

Canada by offering to take people who have 'fled' war in Syria and getting rebuffed by the vast majority they contacted has shown what some of has been saying, and thats that the 'refugees' are choosing where they want to go. Why else would so many turn down the opportunity to move to a safe country, are we still to be fed the line that the people smugglers are forcing the migrants to go to a place then maybe canada should hire them to bundle some refugees on planes without a clue where they're going until they land in Ottowa.

If you still want to fill the quota of poor impoverished migrants then i say again, get your new boy PM to offer those free plane tickets, homes, education and benefits to Scots here and you'll soon have those places filled

Posted by: angel 21st Dec 2015, 10:00pm

reply to 119

I see that you are replying in your usual obnoxious manner.
However , no matter how much you scream , shout ,
stamp your feet bash you head through a brick wall , cry and
insult until you are blue in the face , because , as
long as your government offers asylum to those refugees
then you are fighting a losing battle and it is also my
understanding that the majority Scottish people do
support those refugees .

ps John McCallum , our minister of immigration and refugees
said yesterday that Canada would probably take in
50,000 refugees by the end of 2016 . but not to worry asyou won't have to pay for that , Canadians will whether it be private donations or Taxes .






Posted by: john.mcn 21st Dec 2015, 10:25pm


I see you are replying in your usual Forrest Gump manner rolleyes.gif

Neither you, I, or anyone else on this planet know whether the Scottish people want more refugees here or not, simply because we haven't been asked.

Canada can take as many as the politicians want for all i care because you're right i wont be paying for it, the Canadians will and when the taxes go up to do so then i guess your fellow countrymen/women will let your politicians know if they're happy about it.

They can pledge to bring in 50,000 but like your previous link shows there isn't much of an uptake on the offer.. Maybe they need to work on the delivery, the refugees are probably thinking Cana who??? Just get them to put on the next text it's the country north of America. tongue.gif

Posted by: petunia 21st Dec 2015, 11:19pm

We were NOT ASKED either John.

As for McCallum saying they will be bringing in 50,000 refugees by the end of
2016 (I think he was sober at the time) we will see how much more he can get out of the private sector as the economy of Canada isn't good right now.

I don't care how many refugees they let in keep them coming but let them do what I had to do when I arrived (fend for myself) get a job, place to live etc. without getting a dime from the Government, they are even getting social insurance numbers right away, free healthcare and dental (which we have to pay through the nose for) so they are better treated than people that have and do pay taxes in the country. So yes let them all in the more the merrier but let them be treated the same as any other immigrant.
That's all we hear about on our TV news is refugees and the stuff they have collected for them (winter coats, boots furniture for their free houses etc etc)
and of course cash.

Posted by: angel 22nd Dec 2015, 12:54am



Canada does not have the population that it needs .

The birth rate in this country in very low and also
the work force is aging , so in order to get the
population that is needed for this country ,we
must depend on immigration as Canada has always
depended upon it to try and keep it's economy strong ,
although at this point in time isn't doing so well
because of the sagging oil prices " last time I checked
It was $35 a barrel and probably less by now and this has
affected the value of our dollar not to mention the state of the
global economy , another problem .

We never came to this country thinking that we would need government
handouts , but the we never came without any money as many of those refugees have been forced to and if they get benefits from the government
that is good .
Population = survival for a country
and whatever benefits the
refugees get at this time in their life it will be paid back as has been
done in the past .
I remember when we came here we were given or social insurance cards and also the right to move all over this country should we choose ,
and with the right to work and earn a living, and that I hope those refugees get .
, also , I recall receiving family benefits for both our children when
we came here but it was only for one child when we lived in Scotland .

We have never relied on government handouts and worked for whatever
we had to do, even until this day , that is considering that you don't
call my state pension a handout .
As for those refugees , I believe them to be of the same metal and
will be an asset to their new country , God Bless them ,they have
gone through so much .












Posted by: wellfield 22nd Dec 2015, 03:04am

"CANA WHO?.....Just a totie we bit of info' regarding your dig at CANA WHO?....In 1914,the population of CANADA was a mere 8 million,of which they sent hundred's of thousands to defend Scotland/England/Wales and Northern Ireland and in doing so lost more than (67.000 dead and 173,000 wounded in W.W.1)..then in W.W. 2 lost (45,000 and 54,000 wounded) the population then was 12 million,quite a sacrifice to help the people living on the island of Britain,Canada at the end of the war had 700,000 serving...Ooops' I almost forgot all the food that CANADA sent to us starvin' wee weans that were brought up during the war.....Thanks CANADA!

Posted by: angel 22nd Dec 2015, 03:36am

QUOTE (wellfield @ 22nd Dec 2015, 03:12am) *
"CANA WHO?.....Just a totie we bit of info' regarding your dig at CANA WHO?....In 1914,the population of CANADA was a mere 8 million,of which they sent hundred's of thousands to defend Scotland/England/Wales and Northern Ireland and in doing so lost more than (67.000 dead and 173,000 wounded in W.W.1)..then in W.W. 2 lost (45,000 and 54,000 wounded) the population then was 12 million,quite a sacrifice to help the people living on the island of Britain,Canada at the end of the war had 700,000 serving...Ooops' I almost forgot all the food that CANADA sent to us starvin' wee weans that were brought up during the war.....Thanks CANADA!



Cheers Campbell biggrin.gif
A good post , and so true .
I hope that you , your wife and family
do have a wonderful Christmas .
In Sunny California .

By the way our weather here has not been so bad
actually the temp has been above seasonal ,
still waiting for winter .. biggrin.gif

https://youtu.be/Xb50TmP5J3Q

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Dec 2015, 08:24am



Dont need a history lesson thanks very much, my point that you very obviously missed ( rolleyes.gif ) is that the Syrians may not know who ,what, or where Canada is.
Might be best to keep your lessons for the ones who think Christianity invented democracy wink.gif

Posted by: petunia 22nd Dec 2015, 02:40pm

Thanks Wellfield and yes Canadian troops are the best.

I think the CANA what was tongue in cheek for a certain person that keeps the argument going by her nasty responses to people's posts if they don't agree with hers the dig always has to come like "that is if I don't consider the state pension a handout" which I also get as I deserve it for working all these years here, I also get one from the UK as I worked there for years before coming to Canada, nobody mentioned handouts except her.

I don't hear much about the U.S. doing too much for the refugees, where do you stand on that as in California you get a lot of illegals from Mexico looking for a better life so what is difference.

Posted by: ktv 22nd Dec 2015, 03:54pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd Dec 2015, 08:32am) *
is that the Syrians may not know who ,what, or where Canada is.


why would they not know where/who/what Canada is?

Posted by: wellfield 22nd Dec 2015, 04:06pm

QUOTE (petunia @ 22nd Dec 2015, 06:48am) *
Thanks Wellfield and yes Canadian troops are the best.

I think the CANA what was tongue in cheek for a certain person that keeps the argument going by her nasty responses to people's posts if they don't agree with hers the dig always has to come like "that is if I don't consider the state pension a handout" which I also get as I deserve it for working all these years here, I also get one from the UK as I worked there for years before coming to Canada, nobody mentioned handouts except her.

I don't hear much about the U.S. doing too much for the refugees, where do you stand on that as in California you get a lot of illegals from Mexico looking for a better life so what is difference.
Hi Petunia'....I did mention in an earlier post regarding the refugees from Syria....I said that if we do get some here,at least they will be documented as opposed to the 11 million + from south of the border that are undocumented and most work under the table,which doesn't help our tax base,also worth a mention is the fact that when people flood into a country unchecked causes many changes,one being,California is now a 'minority'

Posted by: wellfield 22nd Dec 2015, 04:08pm

Ooops' forgot to put in the word 'State'.....Merry Christmas to you and Family!.....Campbell

Posted by: angel 22nd Dec 2015, 05:30pm

QUOTE (ktv @ 22nd Dec 2015, 03:02pm) *
why would they not know where/who/what Canada is?


Ktv in the last week I believe about 1,000 refugees have
arrived in Canada , so they obviously know where it is biggrin.gif
despite the opinions of others

Of course it might possibly be a slow migration at this time
but God only knows what they have been through these
past few years , with a war assad created . and they don't know
which way to turn , and taking all of our human frailties into
consideration and hoping that the war will end soon , coming
to Canada or elsewhere must be a very difficult decision for them
to make . After all we are human all of us , despite the opinion
of other's .
I along with the few others who have posted on this thread ,have never
experienced what those refugees have , but by the same token
they are quick to criticize them without one once of the same
experiences in which those refugees have lived these past 4/5 years .

with regards to them coming to Canada , they will
do so in their own good time . Canada isn't moving anytime soon .
Cheers thumbup.gif










Posted by: angel 22nd Dec 2015, 05:51pm

QUOTE (angel @ 22nd Dec 2015, 05:38pm) *
Ktv in the last week I believe about 1,000 refugees have
arrived in Canada , so they obviously know where it is biggrin.gif
despite the opinions of others

Of course it might possibly be a slow migration at this time
but God only knows what they have been through these
past few years , with a war assad created . and they don't know
which way to turn , and taking all of our human frailties into
consideration and hoping that the war will end soon , coming
to Canada or elsewhere must be a very difficult decision for them
to make . After all we are human all of us , despite the opinion
of other's .
I along with the few others who have posted on this thread ,have never
experienced what those refugees have , but by the same token
they are quick to criticize them without one once of the same
experiences in which those refugees have lived these past 4/5 years .

with regards to them coming to Canada , they will
do so in their own good time . Canada isn't moving anytime soon .
Cheers thumbup.gif

ooooooooops /// " without one ounce of the same "

Posted by: angel 22nd Dec 2015, 09:54pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd Dec 2015, 08:32am) *
Dont need a history lesson thanks very much, my point that you very obviously missed ( rolleyes.gif ) is that the Syrians may not know who ,what, or where Canada is.
Might be best to keep your lessons for the ones who think Christianity invented democracy wink.gif



No one misses your point/s ,You just change them when challenged ,

and never have I said that Christianity invented democracy .
Check it out .

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Dec 2015, 10:30pm

QUOTE (ktv @ 22nd Dec 2015, 04:02pm) *
why would they not know where/who/what Canada is?


I said may, you even quoted the post. Not having experienced Syrian education i dont know whether they get any geography outside of Israel stole or land or not. They may very well know the story of conquest, empires, geography and history of what became Canada, or they may not. You should look up the word, like in this forum there are ones who dont have a scooby and there are ones who may not have a scooby, a big distinction i'm sure you'll agree.
But anyway as the take up rate for this generous offer to relocate to Canada was very very low i can only think that
A ) They didnt know where, who or what it was
B ) They knew exactly where, who and what it was but were happy in the supposedly war zone they live
C ) They knew exactly where, who and what it was but they were waiting on a better offer or had plans to make their way to Europe

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Dec 2015, 10:34pm

QUOTE (angel @ 22nd Dec 2015, 10:02pm) *
No one misses your point/s ,You just change them when challenged ,



Angel, i often put your name and challenged in the same phrase, but not the one you're thinking.
QUOTE
and never have I said that Christianity invented democracy .
Check it out .



I didn't mention your name at all, so why would you assume i was referring to you regarding Christianity and democracy biggrin.gif

Posted by: wellfield 22nd Dec 2015, 11:50pm

*PECK* *PECK* *PECK*

Posted by: john.mcn 23rd Dec 2015, 12:44am



I take it that makes you a pecker?

Posted by: ktv 23rd Dec 2015, 09:21am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd Dec 2015, 10:38pm) *
I said may, you even quoted the post. Not having experienced Syrian education i dont know whether they get any geography outside of Israel stole or land or not. They may very well know the story of conquest, empires, geography and history of what became Canada, or they may not. You should look up the word, like in this forum there are ones who dont have a scooby and there are ones who may not have a scooby, a big distinction i'm sure you'll agree.
But anyway as the take up rate for this generous offer to relocate to Canada was very very low i can only think that
A ) They didnt know where, who or what it was
B ) They knew exactly where, who and what it was but were happy in the supposedly war zone they live
C ) They knew exactly where, who and what it was but they were waiting on a better offer or had plans to make their way to Europe


yes i agree

there are people on here who may not have a scooby, there are also people on here who dont have a scooby so think other people may not have one either but spout utter p!sh regardless biggrin.gif

Posted by: angel 23rd Dec 2015, 04:22pm


just one of the many

refugee stories
in Canada , biggrin.gif

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/syrian-refugees-st-stephen-1.3376469

Posted by: john.mcn 23rd Dec 2015, 05:54pm

QUOTE (ktv @ 23rd Dec 2015, 09:29am) *
yes i agree

there are people on here who may not have a scooby, there are also people on here who dont have a scooby so think other people may not have one either but spout utter p!sh regardless biggrin.gif


Hilarious thing about your post is that it fits you to a T, you mock people for not being able to use google and you mock them for being able to use it, you mock them for reading the tabloids and watching TV. In fact anyone who voices a different viewpoint to you and can prove you are talking pish you spit oot the dummy.. quite funny to watch really

Posted by: john.mcn 23rd Dec 2015, 05:56pm

QUOTE (angel @ 23rd Dec 2015, 04:30pm) *
just one of the many

refugee stories
in Canada , biggrin.gif

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/syrian-refugees-st-stephen-1.3376469




I always prefer to read the comments after the articles to see the views of people effected by policies ..

Posted by: angel 23rd Dec 2015, 06:47pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 23rd Dec 2015, 06:04pm) *
I always prefer to read the comments after the articles to see the views of people effected by policies ..


If you wish to read the comments or the opinions of people from
New Brunswick on this subject , I don't doubt for one second
that I or anyone else has to tell you , "' just google

You will post anything in order to get the last word , which
has always been my belief that, that it is a very childish attitude
and also tends to be an effeminate tendency in a man,
however , I'm sure that you will carry on in you own despicable
manner
"but know this " I do not give one iota
to the garbage that you spew , or of any other on this
matter on this thread .
When I decide to print a post I am content with that. and have
no intension to keep posting like some bliddy fishwife as do you .




like some






Posted by: john.mcn 23rd Dec 2015, 07:09pm




Ohh give it a rest i post as its a forum to discuss things going on the world , i read the comments on articles because its there you hear the people views. I guess that upon doing that you're a tad peed off that not everyone shares your view.

The rest of the tripe is your usual, i'm childish, i'm effeminate and a fishwife biggrin.gif
Quite shocking coming from a so called christian, rather intolerant and homophobic some would say... Hold on thats your church to a T, i take it back you'll be up for canonisation soon thumbup.gif

Posted by: wombat 24th Dec 2015, 05:44pm

bliddy fishwife laugh.gif laugh.gif classic laugh.gif

Posted by: wombat 24th Dec 2015, 05:48pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 23rd Dec 2015, 08:17pm) *
The rest of the tripe is your usual, i'm childish, i'm effeminate and a fishwife
Quite shocking coming from a so called christian, rather intolerant and homophobic some would say... Hold on thats your church to a T, i take it back you'll be up for canonisation soon


rolleyes.gif and you answer with this tripe. laugh.gif you old fishwife laugh.gif YOU

 

Posted by: wombat 24th Dec 2015, 05:57pm

rolleyes.gif hey angel .jesus loves YOU yes.gif

 

Posted by: angel 24th Dec 2015, 06:01pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 23rd Dec 2015, 07:17pm) *
Ohh give it a rest i post as its a forum to discuss things going on the world , i read the comments on articles because its there you hear the people views. I guess that upon doing that you're a tad peed off that not everyone shares your view.

The rest of the tripe is your usual, i'm childish, i'm effeminate and a fishwife biggrin.gif
Quite shocking coming from a so called christian, rather intolerant and homophobic some would say... Hold on thats your church to a T, i take it back you'll be up for canonisation soon thumbup.gif



Funny that you should mention Homophobic .

Are you Gay .!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: john.mcn 24th Dec 2015, 09:35pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 24th Dec 2015, 05:56pm) *
rolleyes.gif and you answer with this tripe. laugh.gif you old fishwife laugh.gif YOU



You know wombat, the silent funny types only stay funny when they're silent.

Posted by: john.mcn 24th Dec 2015, 09:39pm

QUOTE (angel @ 24th Dec 2015, 06:09pm) *
Funny that you should mention Homophobic .

Are you Gay .!!!!!!!!!!



Why, does it matter?






I'm not btw so you'll have one less thing to hate me for biggrin.gif

Posted by: angel 24th Dec 2015, 11:43pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 24th Dec 2015, 09:47pm) *
Why, does it matter?






I'm not btw so you'll have one less thing to hate me for biggrin.gif




It was you who brought up the term Homophobic
along with all of the other crap that you mentioned
and if you are not Gay , "who cares ."
.
Heterosexual or Homosexual makes not the
slightest difference to me , so stop trying to turn the
the tables . I do not like the life style
of gays , but as long as they earn a living and pay their taxes
and don't in any way interfere in my life . I DON'T CARE ,

Posted by: john.mcn 25th Dec 2015, 01:28am


I brought it up as you mentioned effeminate tendency in a man like its a bad thing, ohh and i'm not that either though i do admit to being young at heart at times and hope i dont turn into a crabbit old bat who spits their teeth oot at the monitor

Posted by: angel 25th Dec 2015, 05:26pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 25th Dec 2015, 01:36am) *
I brought it up as you mentioned effeminate tendency in a man like its a bad thing, ohh and i'm not that either though i do admit to being young at heart at times and hope i dont turn into a crabbit old bat who spits their teeth oot at the monitor


Oh' dear . to spit my teeth out at the monitor would be
far to painful for me , I would need dental surgery to
perform such a feat and you ain't worth that .
Nor , are your posts worth a reply so in future on this thread
feel free to talk to yourself as far as I am concerned .

Posted by: wombat 25th Dec 2015, 07:18pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 24th Dec 2015, 09:43pm) *
You know wombat, the silent funny types only stay funny when they're silent.


laugh.gif laugh.gif

 

Posted by: petunia 28th Dec 2015, 11:18pm

I was NOT going to write any more on this site re the refugees BUT listening to the news tonight it was "high profile Syrians arrive in Canada" WHO well it turns out that the aunt uncle and their 5 kids of the little boy who was found on the beach arrived in Vancouver today in a fanfare NOT the father of the wee soul who died who has gone back to Syria but his sister/brother and their family WHOM incidentally had been turned down from entry into Canada
a while ago WHY we do not know but obviously got lucky after the world outcry at the death of that little boy, now they say all they have to do learn English but the mother who was interviewed spoke perfect English when being interviewed, are we getting dooped or what, maybe you can give an actual written response Wombat instead of your usual images to peoples posts since you re in Australia and think it is some kind of joke.

Posted by: wombat 29th Dec 2015, 09:21pm

QUOTE (petunia @ 28th Dec 2015, 11:26pm) *
maybe you can give an actual written response Wombat instead of your usual images to peoples posts since you re in Australia and think it is some kind of joke.


laugh.gif laugh.gif look petunia they're waving at you tongue.gif

 

Posted by: petunia 29th Dec 2015, 10:49pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 29th Dec 2015, 09:29pm) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif look petunia they're waving at you tongue.gif



Must have been some beach party you were having with all your pals showing up at once. cool.gif

Posted by: wombat 29th Dec 2015, 10:52pm

laugh.gif will U B making tea and scones for all of the refugees?

Posted by: petunia 29th Dec 2015, 10:58pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 29th Dec 2015, 11:00pm) *
laugh.gif will U B making tea and scones for all of the refugees?



They're your pals so you make the tea and scones and mibbe a wee dram if you haven't "DRUNK" it all
yourself. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: wombat 29th Dec 2015, 11:00pm

laugh.gif my GROG supply wid B safe hen muslims don't drink alcohol laugh.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 29th Dec 2015, 11:30pm



You've obviously never met any muslims then..

Posted by: petunia 29th Dec 2015, 11:45pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 29th Dec 2015, 11:38pm) *
You've obviously never met any muslims then..



John's right Wombat have known a Muslim guy for many years and he smoked like a chimney and
drank beer like it was going out of style so that is another myth about Muslims they also swear just
like a lot of Christians and any other religion you want to mention.

Posted by: carmella 30th Dec 2015, 10:41am

Absolutely the case Petunia, they are only 'good' muslims when it suits. Same in Saudi, the Royals drink but openly proclaim they don't, and the consequences of any 'ordinary' ex-pats or others being found drinking or in charge of booze are horrendous.

Muslims drink in secret a lot of the times. Let's not forget also, there are, just as in any religious following, people who would never touch the stuff.

But, it's a fallacy to say muslims don't drink alcohol. But, that's what they want us to believe.

Posted by: john.mcn 30th Dec 2015, 11:23am



You cant criticise muslims when they become 'westernised' and criticise them when they dont. I'd much rather sit at a table enjoying a beer with one ( as i have done many times over the years) than be slammed by some imam living in the dark ages.

Posted by: petunia 30th Dec 2015, 01:44pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 30th Dec 2015, 12:31pm) *
You cant criticise muslims when they become 'westernised' and criticise them when they dont. I'd much rather sit at a table enjoying a beer with one ( as i have done many times over the years) than be slammed by some imam living in the dark ages.


My post was not to criticise Muslims drinking or not drinking it was to reply to Wombat saying that because they are Muslim they don't drink I was simply saying that I know people who are Muslim that drink, it matters not to me if people drink or not (as long as they don't drink and drive) as for the westernising of Muslims they become westernised if they want to (which is a good thing) but there are thousand that want to live in the west but continue the old ways like sharia law, one instance here a couple of years ago and man and his son went for a drive one Sunday with his 2 daughters and a wife and got out the car (father and son) and the car ended up in the canal killing them all because the girls were too westernised, neither of them had any remorse.

Posted by: john.mcn 30th Dec 2015, 02:06pm

'Honour' killings are a regional/cultural thing, not a religion thing.

Posted by: angel 30th Dec 2015, 02:40pm

This is part of an article regarding the Shafia family murders
in Wikipedia .

The Montreal Gazette published a column in which it said that labelling the murders as honour killing is a mistake because domestic violence against women is ubiquitous and framing it into a particular category would mean distancing oneself from a crime that is all too common. The authors argue that premeditation is put forth as a core component to differentiate honour killings from other types of murders, such as crimes of convenience or crimes of passion. However, recent studies indicate that premeditation is as much a component in other cases of domestic violence and murder as it is in "honour killings."

"Calling the murders "honour killings" accomplishes two goals. First, it makes it seem as if femicide is a highly unusual event. Second, it makes it seem as if femicide is confined to specific populations within Canada and specific national cultures or religions in the world at large. But Canadian statistics prove otherwise. According to StatsCan figures, from 2000 to 2009 an average of 58 women a year were killed in this country as a result of spousal violence. In that same period, 67 children and young people aged 12 to 17 were murdered by family members. In contrast, recent estimates tell us that there have been 12 or 13 so-called honour killings in Canada in the last decade. It does not take a genius to see that comparing 12 or 13 against the hundreds of women and children who were victims of familial violence serves only to frame "honour killing" as peculiar, when in reality it is part of a larger pattern of violence against women."[24]

Posted by: Tally Rand 31st Dec 2015, 02:38am

QUOTE (petunia @ 28th Dec 2015, 11:26pm) *
I was NOT going to write any more on this site re the refugees BUT listening to the news tonight it was "high profile Syrians arrive in Canada" WHO well it turns out that the aunt uncle and their 5 kids of the little boy who was found on the beach arrived in Vancouver today in a fanfare NOT the father of the wee soul who died who has gone back to Syria but his sister/brother and their family WHOM incidentally had been turned down from entry into Canada
a while ago WHY we do not know but obviously got lucky after the world outcry at the death of that little boy, now they say all they have to do learn English but the mother who was interviewed spoke perfect English when being interviewed, are we getting dooped or what, maybe you can give an actual written response Wombat instead of your usual images to peoples posts since you re in Australia and think it is some kind of joke.

Actually it is the old bleeding heart activist guilt trip. Don't let the facts obscure the excuse to wring hands and weep for that which you have no connection to.
Remember these "media Activist" and Save the Migrant ,Refugee Asylum seekers, and / or Illegal entrants, are derived of income, kudos
and raison d'etre if their cause, as it is doing now fails to hog the limelight.

Posted by: Talisman 31st Dec 2015, 02:39am

QUOTE (wombat @ 29th Dec 2015, 09:29pm) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif look petunia they're waving at you tongue.gif

And!!!! Funny mans.

Posted by: Talisman 31st Dec 2015, 02:53am

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 30th Dec 2015, 02:14pm) *
'Honour' killings are a regional/cultural thing, not a religion thing.

When I lived in Israel "honour killing " was tolerated to the extent; that for an "honour killing" the perpetrator would get 12 years in jail with usual time off for good behaviour. This not only applied to Moslems but Christian Arabs were susceptible to this behaviour. As it happens where I caught the bus to go into town in Nazareth, there was an incident where a man and his son gunned down his son in law for beating and humiliating his daughter and immediately went to the local nick and turned himself and his son in. He got 12 years, the son less.

Posted by: angel 31st Dec 2015, 06:13pm

these past weeks Canada has brought in 6000 + refugees , not the 10,000 they had said ,but it's still pretty good and I do hope that the coming year for the refugees will be successful . smile.gif

Posted by: ExPOW 31st Dec 2015, 07:05pm

Two points to consider;

1. Familial Violence is not solely directed at women and/or children. There is a small but measurable percentage directed at men. One seldom hears of it 'though.

2. Canada's stated target of settling Syrian Refugees was originally set at 25,000. Minister Campbell forgot to factor in refugee readiness to depart, weather anomalies, aircraft serviceability and availability and heightened security clearance checks.

It's a wonder that any refugees made it at all.

I'm sad for the people who have lined up and waited months (or longer) or even to try to qualify to get here in the first place.

In this instance it seems negligible that language and job skills are ignored for the Syrians but insisted upon for everyone else. Canada now realises that in bringing in these folks, that a new set of problems opens up for them.

Even our military in some cases were told to find alternate accommodations because the refugees had priority on available housing, theirs as it happened.

Clearly there is no clear answer to either refugees fleeing Syria (or anywhere else) nor the problem of alleviating family violence completely.

That we are currently in a period of, as they call it, limited growth or experiencing an economic downturn means that some people affected will be even more stressed and sadly, in some cases, resort to frustration and violence as a result.

This typed exactly a year and a day after Edmonton's largest mass-family murder of 8 Vietnamese occurred with the perpetrator finally taking his own life in a Fort Saskatchewan Restaurant.

It's all just too sad.

Posted by: ExPOW 31st Dec 2015, 11:20pm

Oooops!

Another synaptic connection bites the dust.

Canada's Minister of Immigration is McCallum not Campbell.

Must remember to buy more Phyllosan. sad.gif

Posted by: petunia 12th Jan 2016, 02:15pm

Watching the news the last few days about these poor people men women and children starving to death in that place in Syria (can't remember the name) that they have not been able to reach before are the REAL REFUGEES and NOT the ones in Turkey etc. where they have clothes, food and shelter, the pictures coming out of their are inhumane, why are they not getting the help the desperately need.
Also we get a show here UK Border ? and watching the number of big huge lorries that cross from Calais every day with all these mostly young guy migrants hiding in them to get to Britain is absolutely amazing, they catch them let them go and they jump on the next lorry and so it goes the whole day, it must be very frustrating for the border people. They recon there is one million illegals in the UK working at anything mostly taxi driving, restaurants and low paying places and none of them has any id so that they cannot deport them back to where they came from if they have no passports so the authorities catch them then have to let them go again so it is a circle that goes round and round and round day in and day out with no end in sight, there has to be a better way. Most of these young guys are from Afganistan or so they say, they catch them sometimes by the smell emanating from them in them lorries, what a way to spend your life for these young men and even if they get to the UK I doubt if their lives will be a lot better but they seem to think it will.

Posted by: angel 13th Jan 2016, 04:26am

Aid finally reached Madaya and it's starving citizens

http://aranews.net/2016/01/17585/

Posted by: petunia 19th Jan 2016, 11:20pm

My concern about the refugees coming to Canada is starting and they haven't been been here 6 months yet.
On the news tonight there is a family of 5 in Toronto who came as refugees before November when we had a Tory government in power, their ruling was that the refugees coming in then would eventually pay for their own air fares since then however our new Liberal government is bringing in the refugees at the tax payers expense. Tonight we have this family complaining that they have received a bill for $9,000 to be paid back to the government as they came in under the last government and they are saying it isn't fair.
IF the government capitulates to this family then we the taxpayers will be on the hook once again for all the families who came in under the last government which in my mind is ridiculous (no-one paid my fare) as they were aware that was the agreement they made. They seem to be living very comfortably now in Toronto with a nice apartment better off than a lot of people who have been here all their lives like the elderly couple I know of whose house foundations are in serious need of repair or the house could collapse around them, there is no government money coming to that elderly couple to be able to stay in their own home as the government are wanting more older people to do. It will be squeaky wheel syndrome as usual.

Posted by: angel 20th Jan 2016, 06:32pm

A positive story about Cape Breton. and how it will deal with the refugee families and their school age children when they arrive there . smile.gif

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/students-school-cape-breton-syrian-1.3411680

Posted by: angel 20th Jan 2016, 06:55pm

About the Syrian refugees paying the costs of their flights to Canada .

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/mccallum-gov-t-considering-changing-loan-repayment-rules-for-syrian-refugees-1.2743139

Out of the other countries who are taking in refugees Canada is the only one who charges interest on these loans .

Posted by: angel 8th Feb 2016, 06:31pm

In today news , Canada will stop it's bombing missions on Iraq and Syria by the 22 Feb. 2016. I'm not to sure that it is the right move , but the bombing that is going on by the coalition hasn't made much difference from what I read and as our Prime minister has said , the people of Iraq do not need the vengeance of the west against Isil on their country... They need the help to fight for themselves against terrorism so Canada will now be a Peace Keeping- force ,as it has been before .

I would like to think that this type of move just might cut down the millions of refugees roaming all over Europe ,

Anyway , here is a link to Canadian thoughts on this topic . if anyone is interested.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/141333-canada-s-bombing-mission-over.html

Posted by: Billy Boil 27th Feb 2016, 01:18am

QUOTE (petunia @ 19th Jan 2016, 11:28pm) *
My concern about the refugees coming to Canada is starting and they haven't been been here 6 months yet.
On the news tonight there is a family of 5 in Toronto who came as refugees before November when we had a Tory government in power, their ruling was that the refugees coming in then would eventually pay for their own air fares since then however our new Liberal government is bringing in the refugees at the tax payers expense. Tonight we have this family complaining that they have received a bill for $9,000 to be paid back to the government as they came in under the last government and they are saying it isn't fair.
IF the government capitulates to this family then we the taxpayers will be on the hook once again for all the families who came in under the last government which in my mind is ridiculous (no-one paid my fare) as they were aware that was the agreement they made. They seem to be living very comfortably now in Toronto with a nice apartment better off than a lot of people who have been here all their lives like the elderly couple I know of whose house foundations are in serious need of repair or the house could collapse around them, there is no government money coming to that elderly couple to be able to stay in their own home as the government are wanting more older people to do. It will be squeaky wheel syndrome as usual.

In Australia we have what is referred to as "The Aborigine Problem"; this relates to Aborigines who have been here for 50,000 years. It deals with massive health issues, extreme poverty, bad educational outcomes, alcoholism, child sexual exploitation and overall hopelessness. This has been going on since 1788.

All "asylum seekers" and genuine refuges who arrived in the country prior to the "Labor" open door policy, where anybody illegally arriving in the so called "leaky boats' were allowed with all the usual allowances to line and not work in Australia. I say not work because due to figures released this week end by Govt. sources, only 7% are in any form of employment. This came as a "Shock" to the government who told us to accept them all as they were an asset to our country.

Since the influx of economic "migrants" to date they have damaged the economy by the sheer weight of unemployable (through choice) and massive families compared to the Australian norm, that financial institution were warning the government to desist in this people smuggling bonanza.
I could go on about middle class arrivals wearing top brand leisure gear and gold Rolexes, with cases stuffed with 10s of $thousands U.S. after paying their Indonesian travel agent $16,000 Ausd. to come to the land of leisure. ( Ex. head of Federal police official investigation into status of boat arrivals). In context of the Aboriginal "problem" if one years money spent on the freebooters were to be spent on the Aborigines there would cease to be an 'Aborigine problem" But then again they are BLACKFELLAS!!!!

Posted by: wombat 27th Feb 2016, 07:10pm

thumbup.gif spot on billy boil.

Posted by: angel 3rd May 2016, 02:37pm

I see in the news here that the 2nd Invictus Games are being held in Orlando Florida , beginning on May 8th I do hope that they will be a tremendous success , especially for all of those wounded , injured and sick military personnel who will take part . I think these games are a brilliant idea by Prince Harry . and I'm looking forward to them taking place in Toronto in 2017.

Prince Harry was here yesterday to begin the countdown for these invictus games in Toronto . so I'm again hoping they too will be a huge success .

Posted by: angel 4th May 2016, 01:18pm

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/05/04/hot-dry-winds-threaten-to-worsen-hellish-fort-mcmurray-wildfire-today.html

It seems that all of the residents have been Evacuated .

From this uncontrollable fire .

Posted by: ExPOW 4th May 2016, 04:49pm

Over the past 72 hours, a wildfire in northern Alberta has escalated to cover some 10 hectares and has forced some 70,000 residents of Fort McMurray to evacuate and seek refuge elsewhere. Large portions of the town (not a city, no university nor cathedral) have been decimated by the fire which is still out of control in many places. Undermanned and outgunned by the fire's ferocity and intensity, the situation may only worsen.
One road in and one road out of town meant severe congestion and bottlenecks for evacuees trying to leave. Vehicles misdirected and running out of fuel, no centralised disaster coordination centre and our military still uninvolved, speaks to our total inefficiency and restricted ability to respond effectively to this disaster.

Sure people are chipping in wherever they can but on the whole, the collective mechanism for assessing and dealing effectively with the fire, has failed. Help agencies are doing their own thing to help wherever they can and it will take several days to get a satisfactory level of aid in place.

This is the second major fire that has devastated a town in Northern Alberta in recent years but we seem to be learning little from either one.

Pity the poor folks who were given the order to leave without much notice and then find out piecemeal, that they have lost their homes.

No Disaster Planning, inaccurate threat assessment and poor deployment of resources. Bad show Canada, surely we could have done better than this?

Raging fires and columns of smoke from civilian centres, long lines of refugees streaming away from danger and choking the highway enough to inhibit the movement of first-responders are all harsh reminders (for those who study history) of other disasters.

Fortunately, there is no reported loss of life but the population of Ft. McMurray actually grew by two yesterday. Mothers and babies are doing well.

I hope we may all learn from this.

Posted by: ExPOW 4th May 2016, 07:14pm

Update:

Now evacuee figures have reached 88,000.

Four residential districts have suffered from 50 to 80% homes destroyed.

Winds are forecast to pick up this afternoon and fan the flames even more than yesterday.

Premier of Alberta, Rachel Notley stills suffers from a permanently implanted thumb and has not yet declared a State of Emergency.

Soldiers still not deployed although the defense Minister has received a request for help. Obviously the case for keeping uniforms ill-fitting and clean outweighs the need to get this fire under control.

People were so panicked in leaving the town that they clogged up the northbound side of the highway (#63) that impeded relief fire trucks on their way to help.

Ft. McMurray (District of Wood Buffalo) Firechief broke down during a press briefing to
describe the status and destruction so far. More than one person might be forgiven for thinking
that act was a blatant case for"don't fire me because I can't command, delegate nor manage the situation."

England, you can have him back anytime.

Heads should roll over the mishandling of this one including our Minister of Defence.

Posted by: Elma 4th May 2016, 09:52pm

This fire has devastated the city of Fort McMurray. It has been a good transition for most of the 80,000 inhabitants and also the 20,000 shift workers who work in the oil fields who have all been evacuated in only a few hours. The highway south was closed yesterday because the fire had crossed the road so most of the remaining people had to drive north. The southern road was opened again about 7 p.m. yesterday. The hospital was evacuated early in the day, my grandson and his partner (he a paramedic and she an R.N.) were there helping, all the patients were then bussed to Edmonton. There are not many surrounding towns but they have all been able to take in the evacuatees, some to hockey arenas, etc. where they have been given places to sleep and eat. A hotel, restaurant and gas station have all burned out as have all the houses in one area of town. I disagree that it was chaos, the fire chief and all the firemen, some of whom came from other Provinces to help have done their best although the fire is yet to be contained. No firemen came from B.C although it is the neighbouring Province because there are 100 wildfires burning in the Province so all are needed here. The evacuation went very smoothly although the roads out of town went very slowly. The Police were driving up and down the roads offering gas to those who had run out and, of course, the gas stations had all run out of gas. As I said My grandson, his partner and her parents all live in Fort McMurray as do my friends daughter, her husband and three children and another friend whose daughter and family also live there. Thankfully there are no casualties but many people will have to return to no home. I see that both the federal government has offered help and has declared a state of emergency and also other Provinces have offered assistance.
I don't know where the previous poster lives but the fire situation has been on our television 24/7 since the fire started. I live in B.C. close of the Alberta border hence the number of people I know who live in Fort McMurray, one person I spoke to this afternoon, her daugher has lost her home.

Posted by: ExPOW 5th May 2016, 03:40pm

Situation still worsening.

The nearby community of Anzac has been given its evacuation orders. A township 36 Km from Ft. McMurray with a population of only 760 but now much increased by sheltering McMurray residents who now have to relocate again. The evacuees will all be bussed to Edmonton today.

The Alexis Nakota Sioux First Nation have been told to hit the road too.

New districts of Ft. McMurray are now on fire including Gregoire and Abasand.

So far the new airport, threatened yesterday, has escaped damage.

Over 1600 properties were logged as destroyed yesterday.

Firecrews from Edmonton and Sherwood Park are onsite.

The City of Calgary has also sent fire crews and equipment and are deploying those on site as of today.

Mexico is sending firecrews.

Now the stupid stuff....

The Yukon Territory has offered to send crews and gear too. The FT. M Firechief has not responded to that offer. Please take him back England.

No soldiers are committed as yet. Please resign Secretary of Defence.

The Premier of Alberta finally removed the embedded finger and declared a State of Emergency
yesterday afternoon.

Many of the local oil companies have shutdown operations and evacuated their personnel so guess what, our gas prices will be jacked up despite the current glut of oil.

Figures.

Mysterious how the Nakota Sioux Fire just happened to start up yesterday....hmmmmm.

Posted by: Betsy2009 5th May 2016, 05:39pm

I do hope that all your friends/relatives are safe and able to contact you so no-one worries. Such a terrible thing to happen.

Posted by: Elma 5th May 2016, 09:28pm

I have more stats about the Fort McMurray fire. There are now 85 hectares on fire and expected to grow as the wind is still blowing the flames, there are 1,110 Firefighters on hand to fight the flames but 1,600 structures have been torched with mostly foundations only left. 88,000 residents have been evacuated and there are 25,000 in work camps in the oil and gas plants round the city. 22 water bombers have been deployed to help but the fire continues to spread.
Sorry to give you such horrific stats but I thought many could understand the enormity of the devastation. My family who live in Fort McMurray are safe in Edmonton although Kyle has gone back to work as a firefighter and Katie is at the Hospital in Edmonton where all the patients from Fort Mac have been relocated.

Posted by: Billy Boil 7th May 2016, 12:15am

One road in and one road out. A recipe for total disaster. This is / was the richest province in the richest country yet infrastructure I.E. diversion roads for clearing evacuees were non existent. It is a wonder that there were no deaths from immolation and a blessing. That was not a forest fire it was a full blown bushfire. "It cant happen here" is no longer an option; it has and will continue to do so. Urgent infrastructure must be put in place. Roads, refuge areas and safe evacuation procedures.

Posted by: angel 8th May 2016, 11:22pm

Regarding this Hellish fire that has destroyed a town of some 80/90 thousand people who have been evacuated , lost their homes and most of their personal belongings . and so far according to the news no fatalities directly caused by these wild fires , I would say that a very good job has been done by the province . and now that a state of Emergency has been declared I believe Yesterday , then the whole of Canada will step in to help , which I also understand is already happening .

Posted by: Guest 9th May 2016, 09:17am

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 5th May 2016, 05:39pm) *
I do hope that all your friends/relatives are safe and able to contact you so no-one worries. Such a terrible thing to happen.

It is a tragedy happening before our eyes, thousand of people have lost their homes, jobs and way of life, thousand of hectares of forest burned to a crisp and goodness knows how many animals burned to death, only saving grace and I hope and pray it will stay that way is that no-one has been injured or killed.

Posted by: ExPOW 10th May 2016, 03:21pm

In 2007, the United Nations General Assembly produced a document that declared the Rights of Indigenous People Worldwide. The document identified the rights as being rights to Self-determination, Language, Equality, Land, Traditions, Identity, Health and Education among others but here's the kicker.......

Canada was among four countries that refused to endorse that document and registered as PERMANENT OBJECTORS to it.

This was done under Harper's regime.

Today that invidious and embarrassing status will be reversed to completely support that document and its premisses whilst the "under new management" of a more enlightened Federal Government.

Finally, we are starting to do it right.

Posted by: ExPOW 10th May 2016, 03:41pm

The damage to Ft. McMurray has been assessed at about 20% as of yesterday. Major facilities, schools, government offices, water treatment plant and generating stations were not affected. The fire has moved off northeasterly into unpopulated areas. Nevertheless, it continues to grow in size.

Sadly, two teenagers, thought to be fleeing from the fire, were killed when their vehicle collided with a lumber-carrying truck on Highway 881 last week. One teen was the daughter of the Assistant Fire Chief.

Now the stupid stuff.

A determination has been made that many fires in the Peace Country Region had been deliberately set. A makework project for some perhaps?

The fire that struck Ft. M was allowed to continue for one month before hitting the town.
(Not calling it a city as it has neither Cathedral, University nor population large enough.)

Authorities had more time than enough to address the issue before it became critical.
Some evacuees were given little or no warning to leave.

The local firechief is being hailed as a hero despite the inaction and indecisions.
Go figure.

Some 60 evacuees have contracted a communicable gastrointestinal virus whilst sheltering
in Edmonton's major relief center.

A significant convoy of RCMP Vehicle was seen leaving Ft. M today. Police have refused to say what they were up to but have at least admitted that they were "a special group".
Speculators might be forgiven for thinking the mission may have been to sweep the area for firearms.
Just sayin'.

Posted by: Talisman 11th May 2016, 10:13am

QUOTE (marydee @ 5th Nov 2015, 09:07pm) *
When you think of the carnage that Great Britain created all over this planet with ill regard for lives, religions or cultures in the lands that they ruled and plundered I think the Syrian refugees are quite civilized. One question if you had to seek asylum would you leave your mobile phone at home?

That is why, on independence, most if not all Commonwealth nations adopted British constitutions and systems of legality.

Posted by: wombat 11th May 2016, 10:40pm

QUOTE (Talisman @ 11th May 2016, 10:13am) *
That is why, on independence, most if not all Commonwealth nations adopted British constitutions and systems of legality.


laugh.gif so they could dish out the same treatment to their own people? laugh.gif


 

Posted by: angel 12th May 2016, 02:54pm

On the news today May12th I heard that Canada had won 20 medals in the Invictus Games but I have not heard how the other countries did , maybe some members would know and post those final results .

Posted by: angel 13th May 2016, 05:45am

QUOTE (angel @ 12th May 2016, 02:54pm) *
On the news today May12th I heard that Canada had won 20 medals in the Invictus Games but I have not heard how the other countries did , maybe some members would know and post those final results .


Correction .... Canada had only a small team of 28 athletes and won 10 gold medals , 8 silver and 4 bronze , total 22 medals . I think that was great .

Posted by: angel 16th May 2016, 08:20pm

Today in the news , it seems that the wild fires in Fort McMurray are still burning and cause for concern , the dry weather conditions of course are the problem and the environment is toxic with the heavy smoke , on a scale of ten , the heavy smoke registers thirty eight way over the top and nobody knows for sure when folk will get back home . No one can go into the area without breathing apparatus . I hope the weather will co- operate soon and bring on that much needed rain .

Posted by: angel 17th May 2016, 03:44am

I now hear that 4,000 oil workers from the oil sands have been told to evacuate their work camps today , Monday , It's for their safety , so I suppose those fires are moving to close for comfort .

Posted by: angel 18th May 2016, 09:32pm

In todays news the evacuees will be allowed to go back to Fort McMurray on June 1st to see just what they have lost but it will depend on weather conditions at that time although they will not be able to stay , until I guess a later date , but they will be able to see for themselves and deal with their loss with the insurance companies

I think those fire fighters who fought to save the city from complete devastation from that fire are truly hero's , "well done to all of them " and now they will be fighting the fires that are encroaching on the oil fields . " and on it goes "

Posted by: ExPOW 19th May 2016, 07:15pm

In today's news...

Those who have not lost property are being allowed to return between June 1st to 15th provided
that;

Air quality is acceptable and that essential services are up and running.
Electrical power, natural gas and water services are available to many areas nevertheless people will still be left with a mess. Sales of new freezers and refrigerators will probably soar over the next few months.

Those who have lost property will still be allowed to visit and rake over their rubble for anything salvageable.

Insurance premiums will escalate for everyone in Alberta because of lack of town planning and shortsightedness of those running the town.

Gee, thanks Ft McMurray Administration, we're all going to pay for your mistakes.

The fire has now breached the Saskatchewan Border and has grown exponentially for almost two months.

There's forecast rain for the area over the coming weekend. Let's hope it helps.

Is it really too early to start taking names?


Posted by: john.mcn 19th May 2016, 08:14pm

QUOTE (ExPOW @ 19th May 2016, 07:15pm) *
Insurance premiums will escalate for everyone in Alberta because of lack of town planning and shortsightedness of those running the town.

Gee, thanks Ft McMurray Administration, we're all going to pay for your mistakes.


How many towns across Canada were prepared for something like that and how many held meetings to make sure they will be in the future.

Posted by: Targer 19th May 2016, 09:13pm

Not many!

Posted by: BillY Boil 21st May 2016, 01:25pm

Although they seemed to be totally unprepared for that bushfire in circumstances that have created such a conflagration can rapidly overwhelm any attempt to contain it. No where was more prepared then the southern area of Victoria (AUS.) but the Black Saturday bushfires in 2009 surrounded whole towns that were not seen to be in it's path and destroyed them including the inhabitants. The heat generated was fatal to 400m from the fire front. There was no centre. 173 people perished. This was in an area where all possible precautions were in effect.

Posted by: angel 24th May 2016, 08:56pm

today I am hearing in the news , that, another 1,000 firefighters will be added to the fight for control of the Fort Mcmurray , Alberta wild fires that are still out of control . these firefighter will include more from North America , Alaska and South Africa + others . whom understand are already there .

Although , I have read that the harvesting of the oil in that region is not the cause of why these fires are so difficult to extinguished , I must admit , that , I have my doubts .

Posted by: Billy Boil 25th May 2016, 10:22pm

QUOTE (angel @ 24th May 2016, 08:56pm) *
today I am hearing in the news , that, another 1,000 firefighters will be added to the fight for control of the Fort Mcmurray , Alberta wild fires that are still out of control . these firefighter will include more from North America , Alaska and South Africa + others . whom understand are already there .

Although , I have read that the harvesting of the oil in that region is not the cause of why these fires are so difficult to extinguished , I must admit , that , I have my doubts .

Oil cant on its own CATCH FIRE. Even petrol in your car requires a spark temperature of 3000deg. prior to ignition. As Alberta's oil is shale oil which requires a high degree of sophisticated effort to separate it from sand to liquefaction, setting it alight is not something that can spontaneously or accidentally occur.

Posted by: angel 25th May 2016, 11:56pm

QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 25th May 2016, 10:22pm) *
Oil cant on its own CATCH FIRE. Even petrol in your car requires a spark temperature of 3000deg. prior to ignition. As Alberta's oil is shale oil which requires a high degree of sophisticated effort to separate it from sand to liquefaction, setting it alight is not something that can spontaneously or accidentally occur.


Thank you Billy for your lesson on Shale oil , much appreciated smile.gif

Posted by: ExPOW 26th May 2016, 08:17pm

QUOTE
shale oil which requires a high degree of sophisticated effort to separate it from sand to liquefaction


Yep, it requires effort all right. So much effort that we (they) are polluting our aquafer and air, all in the hunt for our weakening dollar.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/oilsands-soas-1.3599074

http://http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/oil-sands-development-polluting-alberta-lakes-study/article7014184/

BTW, there are now over 2000 Firefighters assigned to the task of defeating the fire.
It was reported two days ago that smoke from the fire has reached parts of the U.K. and Spain.
Area devasted so far is in excess of 5,500,000 Hectares.

Who says we don't export enough?

Personally, I am getting sick to death of hearing about Ft. McMurray......everything from benefit concerts now to free pet grooming services for evacuees to get this.....yes free lap dances for
knuckle-dragging frequenters of local strip clubs.

I kid you not.

Lately, it has been announced (on the quiet) that a couple of bears have been shot and a few more captured and evacuated back to the bush for raiding the putrifying food "leftovers" from the fire.

A couple more charges have been laid on individuals scamming the system by falsely claiming to be evacuated residents.

Where does it end?

Posted by: ExPOW 27th May 2016, 04:40am

Update from the news tonight.....

Fire has grown to over 5,700,000 Hectares in size.

Our military are still sitting on their duffs with their 3-square meals a day doing nothing.

It is no surprise really that the Feds let Western Canada burn while in previous years, a small fall of wet (sic: heartattack-inducing) snow overnight in Ontario is enough to get them ("soldiers") out of their bunks and shovelling instantly.

Switching to another topic.....

What the news mis-reported the other day when our post-pubescent P.M. crossed the floor (a big no-no) and in so doing, elbowed a female NDP Member of Parliament, was that he was actually rescuing an opposition member (The Opposition Party Whip noless) who was being obstructed and prevented from taking his seat by his own party leader thus obstructing a crucial vote on a Parliamentary Bill before the house.
The Whip signalled our intrepid PM that he was having difficulty, so bold Sir Justin of Elbow rode in to the rescue.

On a happier note:

That slug Harper announced he was quitting politics to go into private business.
Twenty years too late for Canada.

Posted by: angel 27th May 2016, 12:28pm

Our military are still sitting on their duffs with their 3-square meals a day doing nothing.

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The Military are there to help with natural disasters but they must be formally asked for help when it is needed , so , maybe EX POW , you should take this matter up with your provincial government .

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It is no surprise really that the Feds let Western Canada burn while in previous years, a small fall of wet (sic: heartattack-inducing) snow overnight in Ontario is enough to get them ("soldiers") out of their bunks and shovelling instantly.

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Regarding the Feds letting western Canada burn . I Think that you would do well to read more on that matter .

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Also on the Elbowgate incident . It was most surely a mistake made by the Prime minister , but in my opinion , most definitely a mountain made out of a molehill , and aggravated by the NDP leader at that time .... Mulcair !

Posted by: Billy Boil 27th May 2016, 01:25pm

QUOTE (angel @ 25th May 2016, 11:56pm) *
Thank you Billy for your lesson on Shale oil , much appreciated smile.gif

When living in Canada I spent some time with relatives of my wife. What family I have left all live in Canada.
The person I was staying with was the father of an oil company executive who is also the owner of the oil producer. During my stay I was subjected to an endless documentary made by the gentleman's company on extraction of shale oil in Alberta. Where as I learned a lot about a subject I had no prior knowledge of. I would not wish the experience to be repeated in any shape, form or otherwise.

Posted by: Billy Boil 27th May 2016, 01:27pm

QUOTE (ExPOW @ 26th May 2016, 08:17pm) *
Yep, it requires effort all right. So much effort that we (they) are polluting our aquafer and air, all in the hunt for our weakening dollar.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/oilsands-soas-1.3599074

http://http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/oil-sands-development-polluting-alberta-lakes-study/article7014184/

BTW, there are now over 2000 Firefighters assigned to the task of defeating the fire.
It was reported two days ago that smoke from the fire has reached parts of the U.K. and Spain.
Area devasted so far is in excess of 5,500,000 Hectares.

Who says we don't export enough?

Personally, I am getting sick to death of hearing about Ft. McMurray......everything from benefit concerts now to free pet grooming services for evacuees to get this.....yes free lap dances for
knuckle-dragging frequenters of local strip clubs.

I kid you not.

Lately, it has been announced (on the quiet) that a couple of bears have been shot and a few more captured and evacuated back to the bush for raiding the putrifying food "leftovers" from the fire.

A couple more charges have been laid on individuals scamming the system by falsely claiming to be evacuated residents.

Where does it end?

Look at it this way - you are complaining about the biggest, most pristine and best ordered country in the world . It is also one of the richest countries in the word with indigenous population besides, has also one of the most looked after in terms of health and social security citizen ship in the world. Most of the riches derived from mining, oil, lumber and exploitation of natural resources. Be happy you are living in a country with such obvious benefits and above all freedoms that many envy.

Posted by: Billy Boil 31st May 2016, 01:48pm

QUOTE (angel @ 25th May 2016, 11:56pm) *
Thank you Billy for your lesson on Shale oil , much appreciated smile.gif

I am not writing this for any other reason than to answer uninformed speculation. ,When living in Canada for a period I was staying with my wife's distant relatives. The person we were staying with was the father of an oil company executive. He is also owner of the company producing oil. I was unfortunate enough to sit through hours of film made by his son's company on shale oil extraction. Where as it gave me an insight into the oil industry in Canada, I would not wish under any circumstances to repeat the process.

Posted by: ExPOW 5th Jun 2016, 10:05pm

We have a history of;

Heavy metals deposits in our watershed wherever there are mines, diamond, silver, gold, uranium, platinum or whatever. Arsenic and other toxins are also present. We have radioactive Radon permeating our rock beds all over the country. Uranium mines speak for themselves. We have toxins from oilsands collecting ponds and other petroleum refineries and distillation processes. We have hydrogen sulphide (H2S) seeping from the 80,000-odd abandoned oilwells in Alberta alone and we have the unnatural air pollution in every major city from car exhausts and factory emissions.

We import radioactive junk from America for disposal in some eastern dumpsites.

Our fishing industry went out of business largely because our offshore stocks of cod were vacuumed up almost to a single shoal.

Naturally, we have our share of problems with infestation. Dutch Elm Disease and the Pine Beetle are decimating large tracts of forests and our eastern lakes are being invaded by foreign carp. Our winters are nolonger cold or long enough to kill off the malicious insects.

Residents of Ft. Mac have been warned that deposited fire ash contains toxic contaminants.

It is unfortunate that you were subjected to professional propaganda that resulted in some incorrect assertions. Who best to paint a rosier picture of the oil industry than someone directly filming it from the inside?

We have manmade disasters where pipelines rupture more than seldom or trains carrying oil explode in builtup centres. We scar the land with pipeling laying and electricity grid expansion (often through populated centres) lines.

Even in our National Parks, fish caught at the source of natural springs and glacial flows are found to contain deadly dioxins. We have an advised limit on Salmon consumption for all and more for expectant mothers from the mercury in the fish. We now have to face airborne threats from virus carrying mosquitos.

Our ice shield and glaciers are receeding due to global warming.
It is you who is uninformed and no, we DON"T have a pristine environment.
I'd love to own a pair of rose-coloured glasses too.
I'd wear them every day.

Posted by: wombat 5th Jun 2016, 11:05pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif


 

Posted by: Billy Boil 11th Jun 2016, 11:23pm

QUOTE (ExPOW @ 5th Jun 2016, 10:05pm) *
We have a history of;

Heavy metals deposits in our watershed wherever there are mines, diamond, silver, gold, uranium, platinum or whatever. Arsenic and other toxins are also present. We have radioactive Radon permeating our rock beds all over the country. Uranium mines speak for themselves. We have toxins from oilsands collecting ponds and other petroleum refineries and distillation processes. We have hydrogen sulphide (H2S) seeping from the 80,000-odd abandoned oilwells in Alberta alone and we have the unnatural air pollution in every major city from car exhausts and factory emissions.

We import radioactive junk from America for disposal in some eastern dumpsites.

Our fishing industry went out of business largely because our offshore stocks of cod were vacuumed up almost to a single shoal.

Naturally, we have our share of problems with infestation. Dutch Elm Disease and the Pine Beetle are decimating large tracts of forests and our eastern lakes are being invaded by foreign carp. Our winters are nolonger cold or long enough to kill off the malicious insects.

Residents of Ft. Mac have been warned that deposited fire ash contains toxic contaminants.

It is unfortunate that you were subjected to professional propaganda that resulted in some incorrect assertions. Who best to paint a rosier picture of the oil industry than someone directly filming it from the inside?

We have manmade disasters where pipelines rupture more than seldom or trains carrying oil explode in builtup centres. We scar the land with pipeling laying and electricity grid expansion (often through populated centres) lines.

Even in our National Parks, fish caught at the source of natural springs and glacial flows are found to contain deadly dioxins. We have an advised limit on Salmon consumption for all and more for expectant mothers from the mercury in the fish. We now have to face airborne threats from virus carrying mosquitos.

Our ice shield and glaciers are receeding due to global warming.
It is you who is uninformed and no, we DON"T have a pristine environment.
I'd love to own a pair of rose-coloured glasses too.
I'd wear them every day.

I had no idea ( even having lived there Nakusp, Surrey, East Burnaby Sannich) that Canada was such an ecological disaster area and third world in terms of exploitation of people and resources. I can't imagine why you would want to live your life. In such a destructive environment. Should you not apply to emigrate to Europe or Asia with it's perfection of blissfully appointed and unpolluted states.

Posted by: angel 30th Jun 2016, 02:58am

This is the full text of President Obama's speech to the Canadian Parliament that took place today , Wed. 29- 6- 2016 in Ottawa after the trade talks between , Mexico , Canada and the U.S.A.

I thought some just might be interested .

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/president-barack-obama-full-speech-parliament-1.3659229

Posted by: Billy Boil 1st Jul 2016, 08:57am

Breaking news yesterday. Canada second after Finland (some say Norway) as the most contented and comfortable country to live in. It would have been world best but for a trivial technicality.

Best cities to live in (quality of life) 1. Melbourne. 2 Vienna . 3. Vancouver. 4. Toronto. 5. Calgary.

Posted by: angel 1st Jul 2016, 09:06pm

QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 1st Jul 2016, 07:57am) *
Breaking news yesterday. Canada second after Finland (some say Norway) as the most contented and comfortable country to live in. It would have been world best but for a trivial technicality.

Best cities to live in (quality of life) 1. Melbourne. 2 Vienna . 3. Vancouver. 4. Toronto. 5. Calgary.


Well Billy we nearly made it to Melbourne yes.gif but I literally reneged at the last moment , that caused trouble in our marriage but we did weather the storm and ended up in Canada , and not unhappy about that decision ,especially my husband , he was happy with that move so that was good . biggrin.gif

Posted by: Billy Boil 3rd Jul 2016, 03:21pm

QUOTE (angel @ 1st Jul 2016, 09:06pm) *
Well Billy we nearly made it to Melbourne yes.gif but I literally reneged at the last moment , that caused trouble in our marriage but we did weather the storm and ended up in Canada , and not unhappy about that decision ,especially my husband , he was happy with that move so that was good . biggrin.gif

I wrote that article mainly in reply to one of your fellow expats who seemed to gratuitously denigrate all things Canadian from government to environment. Likewise I have seen some here denigrating Australia while living here and obviously not enjoying the experience. I have flown from Canada to the U.K. and it took a very short time and not for a great deal of money. Landing in Australia with $60 in my pocket, after seven weeks I had made enough, had I wished to, buy my fare back to U.K. Canada may have faults, but then there are those who would find fault with "Shangrila".

Posted by: angel 3rd Jul 2016, 05:22pm

You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.”

Posted by: angel 3rd Jul 2016, 05:29pm

Billy , I see that Australia just had an Election so what will happen now , concerning those results .

Posted by: Dykejumper 3rd Jul 2016, 05:31pm

PIlot's song in praise of Canada

Canada, you got an open door
You got so many things
I swear, I never saw them before
So much more, you got a world in store
You got a home from home, got a hold so strong
Can't seem to ignore

These things I do
I do for nobody else but me

A look out California
Ooo-ooo, I gotta warn ya
Here comes Canada

Canada, you proved your worth

You got snow peaked mountains tumbling down
You had them from birth
Say it clear, so the world can hear
I swear I never left you
Without shedding a tear

Posted by: Billy Boil 4th Jul 2016, 02:46pm

QUOTE (angel @ 3rd Jul 2016, 05:29pm) *
Billy , I see that Australia just had an Election so what will happen now , concerning those results .

Shock result the trade union controlled Labor (that's the spelling here) part have not gained enough seats to form a government but will continue to disrupt all attempts by the majority Liberal government to govern. The trade unionists make up 13% of the working population and when compulsory enforced unionism is taken into account, this figure would be less than 8%;they make up 90% of the Labor party seats in parliament shadow cabinet. Democracy in action. Because we have proportional representation in Australia, parties such as The prostitutes party, the car enthusiasts party, extreme American style fundamentalist Christians, Racist based parties (was anti Asian now anti Muslim) the shooters party and a plethora of Independents who represent their salaries and little else.

Being a pseudo socialist party their extreme members and their Green party allies will. as they did in their last stint allow the surge of illegal boat arrivals allow unfettered access to Australian welfare. In their last stint illegal arrivals amounted to 39000 still out there somewhere and living a life of Riley.

Their local arm in Victoria forced members of the Country Fire Authority to join the fire fighters union and pay their dues. These people were coerced, forced to join a union. Here's the point they the C.F.A. are all unpaid volunteers! Next the Pensioners Union?

We will be having a long period of disruption and instability. Labor's proportion of primary votes 37%.

Posted by: angel 4th Jul 2016, 05:36pm

well Billy it looks from here that Australia is still counting to determine who will be your Prime minister , I hope that you will be satisfied with the result ,

I must admit that you lost me after you had named all those other parties , but is not variety the spice of life biggrin.gif anyway I do hope that the new government will have an decent number of seats and be able to govern the country .

I'm thinking that A Pensioners Union ain't a bad idea cool3.gif we could do with that in Canada .

Posted by: angel 15th Jul 2016, 04:37pm

Well !.. in this morning's news the body of a young 5yr old child whose mother was murdered this week in their home , has been found somewhere out in the boonies of northern Calgary , however for what it is worth , the police are saying that she too was murdered in their family home but the sicko dropped the little girls body off , outside of the City, he is of course in custody , " He is not co'operating with the police "

I am well aware that these horrors occur in most countries but it seems to me , all to often these day's , ........ this has been going on forever. " probably ! " .

Just yesterday in the States , a halfwitted S.O.B tried to blow up his home , but luckily his family was able to run to safety . and of course those 5 policemen who where gunned down , and the other two men who where gunned down by police before those 5 policemen where shot . " Tit For Tat .

YES , it's a great world ! does anyone on this board have solutions to all of these problems including the latest massacre in France . instead of bitching about them

I might add that here in Ontario, the provincial government has given the first nations people the chance to buy shares in ,

Hydro 1 " which is a public utility but also partially owned by the provincial government . I do hope that this works out .

Posted by: GG 15th Jul 2016, 06:12pm

QUOTE (angel @ 15th Jul 2016, 05:37pm) *
YES , it's a great world ! does anyone on this board have solutions to all of these problems including the latest massacre in France . instead of bitching about them

Angel, people on the boards are discussing, not bitching.

The solution is perfectly simply: have politicians in a position of real power, where they are willing to act in the best collective interest of the people, rather than for themselves or for their corporate/ideological sponsors.

GG.

Posted by: angel 15th Jul 2016, 07:01pm

QUOTE (GG @ 15th Jul 2016, 05:12pm) *
Angel, people on the boards are discussing, not bitching.

The solution is perfectly simply: have politicians in a position of real power, where they are willing to act in the best collective interest of the people, rather than for themselves or for their corporate/ideological sponsors.

GG.


As far as I am concerned , it is so very simple for posters to come up
with negative opinions under the guise of discussion , and in this instance not very much brain power involved , negativity coming from others in my mind is simply opposition without any thought of ,, ,, "can we truly fix these horrors that are occurring all over the planet "

Regarding your words on , Having politicians in a position of real power , now how is that done .

Posted by: GG 15th Jul 2016, 08:09pm

Angel, in my opinion, it's about dismantling the centralised structures of power – the parliamentary, regulatory, tax and education systems – that create and protect huge wealth for a very tiny percentage of the population. Destroy the obscene excesses that privilege brings and that would be a start to wider opportunity and empowerment.... then devolve real power away from Westminster and into metropolitan, regional and national assemblies, so that dispersed power can serve the needs of the people, closer to where that need resides. These assemblies in a federal system would have wide-ranging powers that, at the same time, would be more transparent and accountable to the people. It might also be the last chance to save the Union!

GG.

Posted by: angel 16th Jul 2016, 03:05am

QUOTE (GG @ 15th Jul 2016, 07:09pm) *
Angel, in my opinion, it's about dismantling the centralised structures of power – the parliamentary, regulatory, tax and education systems – that create and protect huge wealth for a very tiny percentage of the population. Destroy the obscene excesses that privilege brings and that would be a start to wider opportunity and empowerment.... then devolve real power away from Westminster and into metropolitan, regional and national assemblies, so that dispersed power can serve the needs of the people, closer to where that need resides. These assemblies in a federal system would have wide-ranging powers that, at the same time, would be more transparent and accountable to the people. It might also be the last chance to save the Union!

GG.


GG. , I thought that Scotland had power over her own tax system and was given more responsibility over it , this year

I also understand that Scotland runs it's own education system but when it comes to the rich living off the middle classes, maybe it's time Hollyrood should up the taxes of the rich but then they the rich would probably leave the country .

I do agree that Scotland should be given more real power as you say ,

However , I don't think that any of your suggestion's would put a stop to corruption ,it goes on in all levels of government no matter the country .

Posted by: Billy Boil 16th Jul 2016, 11:28pm

QUOTE (GG @ 15th Jul 2016, 06:12pm) *
Angel, people on the boards are discussing, not bitching.

The solution is perfectly simply: have politicians in a position of real power, where they are willing to act in the best collective interest of the people, rather than for themselves or for their corporate/ideological sponsors.

GG.

C'mon G.G.! Hus youse been readin' Mary Poppins again'???

Posted by: angel 23rd Jul 2016, 05:49pm

As the drain cover in the basement shower at home had broken, I took the time to go into our local hardware store ,hoping that they would have what I needed , but no such luck ! ... that type of drain cover in no longer manufactured , " It's ancient biggrin.gif " which left me with a couple of options , I either had the basement pulled apart or move house . I wasn't going to shower over a hole in the shower floor tongue.gif , anyway , the person who was dealing with me , said " not to worry and bring the cover back onMonday and he would make a new one .

Now ! is that not service or is that not service , !!!!!!!!

probably wouldn't GET that sort of service from , Home Depot or others in the same business .

IT'S JUST BEEN SUCH A GREAT DAY , TO BE REMINDED HOW GREAT IT IS TO BE A CONSUMER IN THE REGION IN WHICH I LIVE , and I HOPE THIS SITUATION WILL CONTINUE . AS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN .

Posted by: Billy Boil 30th Jul 2016, 08:44am

QUOTE (GG @ 15th Jul 2016, 08:09pm) *
Angel, in my opinion, it's about dismantling the centralised structures of power – the parliamentary, regulatory, tax and education systems – that create and protect huge wealth for a very tiny percentage of the population. Destroy the obscene excesses that privilege brings and that would be a start to wider opportunity and empowerment.... then devolve real power away from Westminster and into metropolitan, regional and national assemblies, so that dispersed power can serve the needs of the people, closer to where that need resides. These assemblies in a federal system would have wide-ranging powers that, at the same time, would be more transparent and accountable to the people. It might also be the last chance to save the Union!

GG.

You have read "Animal Farm" and "1984" ???

Posted by: angel 20th Aug 2016, 11:16pm

Today in the news , I heard such a nice story about a retired couple in Winnipeg who bought 100 used bikes , some in better condition than others
and the husband spent his time repairing them and when he was satisfied that all were in good condition he gave them to the refugee children in his area . Such happy Children and parents . clap.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 21st Aug 2016, 07:41am

Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove. ¡Así es la vida!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Aug 2016, 09:25am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 21st Aug 2016, 08:41am) *
Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove. ¡Así es la vida!


Bloody foreigners.........They come over ere' and clog up our cycle paths like they own the bleedin' place. wink.gif

Posted by: angel 21st Aug 2016, 03:22pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 21st Aug 2016, 07:41am) *
Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove. ¡Así es la vida!


Yes, life is good , its just those negatives we come across.
C'est la vie .

Posted by: DannyH 21st Aug 2016, 06:12pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 21st Aug 2016, 10:25am) *
Bloody foreigners.........They come over ere' and clog up our cycle paths like they own the bleedin' place. ;)


When I read Angel's post #234, telling us that a retired Winnipeg couple had bought and repaired 100 bikes to give to refugee children, my reaction was,"That was great, well done". However this was spoiled for me by the subsequent posts made by Bilbo and Jagz. It was also depressing that Angel came back with another post, #237, supporting Bilbo's negative post.

What I also find confusing, is that Angel posted prior to this, in her post#228, said

"As far as I am concerened, it is very simple for posters to come up with negative opinions under the guise of discussion"

What she is really saying, as is Bilbo, "If you don't agree with me, then don't bother posting".

Regarding the quote from Jagz above, there is one point he has overlooked. Are the couple from Winnipeg, direct descendants of the original people who once lived in what is now Canada, long before Europeans arrived and stole the land from them? If they are fine. If not, then they are descendants of the Europeans who stole the land from the indigenous people. In other words, they are descendants of the 'bloody foreigners'

One of the things that dismays me is that some people feel so good about themselves, when it comes to people like Nelson Mandela. "We have named a street after him in Glasgow. We showed these White rascists in South Africa that apartheid has no support from Scotland".

Ask anybody and everybody you know in Scotland, if they are aware that 'apartheid' has existed in Canada since the arrival of the 'White Man' and they will probably look at you in disbelief.

The dictionary definition of apartheid, is "The system of racial segregation and discrimination formerly in force in South Africa". I have had to apply this term to Canada because when I went to school there, the indigenous people were never given a mention during history classes. It was all about the European explorers, and how rivers were given the names of some of them, like 'Fraser'. All we were taught about the 'Red Indians' was that they carried the canoes and supplies overland for the Explorers; sorry, I should have said, "Bloody Foreigners'. We were never told the 'Bloody Foreigners' actually stole the land.

In one of her latest posts Angel says that "First Nations People' will be allowed to by shares in a public utility. Isn't that a wonderful gesture by the Canadians! The year is 2016, nearly 400 years after the White Man came, they can buy shares. Wow.

I went back in 2006 for the closing ceremony of the school I had been to. While there, I read a newspaper report. Somewhere in Canada, the 'Red Indians' had put up a road block. This was to stop 'Canadians' from getting into their houses in a newly built development. The 'Natives' claimed that this piece of land had been given to them by the British for assisting them in the war with the French.

One reader had a letter published. he said, " This is Canada, It is our laws that apply". Now these were not his exact words, but they explain the sentiment of his letter.

Finally, about one month ago, there was a TV programme giving an historical account about how Europeans decimated the indigenous population of the Western side of Canada and the North Western side of the USA. Rather than go into detail suffice to say, that we, the 'Bloody Foreigners' were just as bad as ISIS is today.

Danny Harris

Posted by: JAGZ1876 21st Aug 2016, 06:24pm

Wow, you're in a right mood today Danny, what happened, did your Sunday Post not arrive? laugh.gif

Posted by: angel 21st Aug 2016, 07:15pm

There has been many governments in Canada over the year's long before confederation and afterwards , but not one has done a decent job regarding our First Nations , but I for one hope that our present government will do a better job than has been done in the past and give our indigenous peoples the human right to look forward to a better future .

However I would suggest that Danny take up his cause with the Canadian government and who knows I might even be deported . LOL

Posted by: DannyH 21st Aug 2016, 09:27pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 21st Aug 2016, 07:24pm) *
Wow, you're in a right mood today Danny, what happened, did your Sunday Post not arrive? :lol:


Hello Jagz

No, I am not in any mood. I thought this was a forum for debate, and not for one-liners of negativity. I am of the opinion that we should learn from history. Look at a map of the world, especially the American continents. 'Bloody foreigners' as you aptly named them, spilled the blood of countless civilizations there. The problem is that those civilizations are gone forever.

The world is millions of years old. So in a relatively short period of time, Europeans changed the world forever. I was told at school that the natives welcomed the Europeans. Look where that got them!

Regards

Danny

Posted by: DannyH 21st Aug 2016, 09:36pm

QUOTE (angel @ 21st Aug 2016, 08:15pm) *
There has been many governments in Canada over the year's long before confederation and afterwards , but not one has done a decent job regarding our First Nations , but I for one hope that our present government will do a better job than has been done in the past and give our indigenous peoples the human right to look forward to a better future .

However I would suggest that Danny take up his cause with the Canadian government and who knows I might even be deported . LOL



Hello Angel

All I can say is that your first paragraph above gave me hope that you were posting a reasoned reply. However, your closing sentence just made me shake my head in despair.

Danny Harris

Posted by: Betsy2009 21st Aug 2016, 09:41pm

A step forward is better than a step backwards.

Posted by: wombat 21st Aug 2016, 10:13pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif its aw yon Bilbo's fault rolleyes.gif yes.gif

 

Posted by: Billy Boil 22nd Aug 2016, 02:55am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 21st Aug 2016, 09:27pm) *
Hello Jagz

No, I am not in any mood. I thought this was a forum for debate, and not for one-liners of negativity. I am of the opinion that we should learn from history. Look at a map of the world, especially the American continents. 'Bloody foreigners' as you aptly named them, spilled the blood of countless civilizations there. The problem is that those civilizations are gone forever.

The world is millions of years old. So in a relatively short period of time, Europeans changed the world forever. I was told at school that the natives welcomed the Europeans. Look where that got them!

Regards

Danny

Your grasp of history (world) starts with European violence extended to native peoples the world over. What it does not acknowledge is the progress engendered by this 'White Invaders evil personified mentality". Most if not all lands prior to European incursion, existed in states of constant warfare, and if not warfare, fear of conflict and dispossession. Native American tribes were in states of territorial disputation leading to annihilation of some tribal groupings EG. Yelloknives tribe in Canada wiped out by Dogrib tribe. Only 13% of natives of the Americas did not engage in some form of warfare against their neighbours. This Pre Columbian. Before making assertions and bleeding heart observations about what the "terrible awful" whiteys did to the poor natives read what they did to each other. Crow Creek Dakota a century before Columbus a mass grave of 500 men and children was excavated. Young women were not in evidence in the grave. Guess where they went. As Hobbs stated in " Leviathan " the situation without government was chaotic and terrifying" (1651).

There are innumerable examples of pre European internecine warfare world wide. To make an unemotive and often inaccurate appraisal of historical precedent it may be in order to make a small effort at establishing fact over fantasy; no matter how appealing those fantasies me seem when presenting spurious arguments.

Most of above examples:
Myth of the Peaceful Savage.
Lawrence H. Keely ( archaeologist University of .Illinois)
Pub. Oxford University Press.;

Posted by: Bill Boil 22nd Aug 2016, 02:57am

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 21st Aug 2016, 09:41pm) *
A step forward is better than a step backwards.

Not if you are stepping over a precipice.

Posted by: angel 22nd Aug 2016, 04:29pm

I see that the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge will be visiting western Canada in Sept. and bringing their children with them , that will be very nice smile.gif

Posted by: angel 22nd Aug 2016, 04:37pm

An Ontario teenager 15yrs of age was reprimanded by police officers after calling 911 , saying that she was forced to go on vacation with her parents .

Posted by: Betsy2009 22nd Aug 2016, 05:44pm

Oh the poor wee lass. No wonder she called the police. laugh.gif
Such terrible parents.

Posted by: angel 22nd Aug 2016, 06:27pm




biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Aug 2016, 07:30pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 21st Aug 2016, 10:27pm) *
Hello Jagz

Bloody foreigners' as you aptly named them, spilled the blood of countless civilizations there.

Regards

Danny


Danny, stop taking things out of context, it was a humorous remark poking fun at racists.

Posted by: angel 22nd Aug 2016, 08:04pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd Aug 2016, 06:30pm) *
Danny, stop taking things out of context, it was a humorous remark poking fun at racists.


thank you jags for your explanation to him. I have been wondering how in the name a post by myself regarding bikes for refugees ended up becoming a story on the annihilation of ancient civilisations on the American continent
Shades of the funny farm , methinks.

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Aug 2016, 08:13pm

Are the native Americans/First Nation peoples who complain of non indigenous migrants to their lands racist?

Posted by: angel 22nd Aug 2016, 08:17pm

QUOTE (john.mcn @ 22nd Aug 2016, 07:13pm) *
Are the native Americans/First Nation peoples who complain of non indigenous migrants to their lands racist?


I don't know , but I would think that you should ask them .

Posted by: john.mcn 22nd Aug 2016, 08:40pm

Do you think before typing? It is others who always do the racist name calling not the ones getting called it hence you ask those using the phrase.

If it is apparently 'racist' for people to question or object to migrants coming into their country then surely that tag should also apply to indigenous inhabitants of other countries. Instead of appeasing or showing empathy for N/S American indians, Australian aborigines, Maurois or Africans objecting to the colonisations of their lands they should treat them as the racists they obviously are ..

That is completely different of course as they didn't have a say in the matter...ohh wait!!!

Posted by: DannyH 22nd Aug 2016, 09:59pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd Aug 2016, 08:30pm) *
Danny, stop taking things out of context, it was a humorous remark poking fun at racists.


Hello Jagz

I am sure you meant it as a humorous remark, however, there was no need for it. It all started after Angel brought to our attention, the generosity of the retired Canadian couple. Bilbo's comment, yours and hers were all unecessary, but it seems we can't have a discussion without racism being brought in to the topic.

All that was required from anybody was their thoughts on the Canadian couple's great effort. Not comments to score cheap pionts.

Danny

Posted by: wombat 22nd Aug 2016, 11:00pm

tongue.gif so we should aw dance tae your tune then ? tongue.gif

 

Posted by: DannyH 23rd Aug 2016, 08:54am

QUOTE (wombat @ 23rd Aug 2016, 12:00am) *
:P so we should aw dance tae your tune then ? :P


I would be surprised if you could get up off your big fat backside to dance to anyone's tune.

As always, you haven't let us down. Another childish post. I wonder how many people have given up coming on the the GG forums because of the level you have brought it down to. I am referring to the 'picture', not your words. I can reply to words.

Danny Harris

Posted by: angel 23rd Aug 2016, 03:02pm

from post 237,

I went back in 2006 for the closing ceremony of the school I had been to. While there, I read a newspaper report. Somewhere in Canada, the 'Red Indians' had put up a road block. This was to stop 'Canadians' from getting into their houses in a newly built development. The 'Natives' claimed that this piece of land had been given to them by the British for assisting them in the war with the French.
..........................................................

there was a Road block in the town of Caledonia , Ontario, during that time . It was the Six Nations People who were protesting against the building of new housing sub divisions on their land to which they have a historical claim , anyway to keep this story short as possible , the federal and provincial governments cannot come up with a negotiated agreement , because each say that the other is responsible to try and figure out this mess , and as a result , nothing has been settled yet . I guess this suits both governments just fine , if they wait long enough the native peoples just might quit ,

Posted by: angel 23rd Aug 2016, 03:21pm

P.S.

The land was given to the natives for their loyalty to the British Crown during the American revolution .

Posted by: angel 23rd Aug 2016, 07:48pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 22nd Aug 2016, 08:59pm) *
Hello Jagz

I am sure you meant it as a humorous remark, however, there was no need for it. It all started after Angel brought to our attention, the generosity of the retired Canadian couple. Bilbo's comment, yours and hers were all unecessary, but it seems we can't have a discussion without racism being brought in to the topic.

All that was required from anybody was their thoughts on the Canadian couple's great effort. Not comments to score cheap pionts.

Danny


Show where the racism that you say exists in any of those posts , and which negative remarks are you talking about , I'm sure they are a figment of your imagination.

Posted by: DannyH 23rd Aug 2016, 09:08pm

QUOTE (angel @ 23rd Aug 2016, 04:21pm) *
P.S.

The land was given to the natives for their loyalty to the British Crown during the American revolution .


Hello again Angel

Two comments to make regarding your post.

1 - The land wasn't given to the natives. The land was given back to the natives. Think about what you are saying. The people are the NATIVES. They were there first!

2 - You should contact the 'natives' and point out to them that they weren't rewarded for assisting the British against the French.

It looks like it doesn't matter why they were given the land. It was taken off them again in 2006. I guess they are at a disadvantage. Who cares?

Danny

Posted by: DannyH 23rd Aug 2016, 09:49pm

QUOTE (angel @ 23rd Aug 2016, 08:48pm) *
Show where the racism that you say exists in any of those posts ,
and which negative remarks are you talking about ,
I'm sure they are a figment of your imagination.


Angel you have been away from Scotland too long.

Here is Bilbo's response (Post #235) to your post which told us about the kind hearted Canadian couple.

"Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove".

Do you think that we who still live in Scotland are so thick that we don't recognise that someone is making a jibe at people in Scotland who are concerned about the lack of CONTROLLED immigration into Scotland?

Then your response to him (Post #237)

"Yes life is good, it is just those negatives we come across".

So who are the negatives you are referring to ?

The answer has to be the people in Scotland who are concerned about the lack of CONTROLLED immigration.

We have been branded as racists by some people using this forum.

You could always of course come back and define who the "negatives" are, and why they are negatives in your opinion.

Regarding my figment of imagination, you must have missed Bilbo's post where he said I dislike people from a number of countries. There were so many I have forgotten them all. The only thing I do remember is that I have made friends with people of all the countries he mentioned.

Danny Harris

Posted by: angel 24th Aug 2016, 12:30am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 23rd Aug 2016, 08:49pm) *
Angel you have been away from Scotland too long.

Here is Bilbo's response (Post #235) to your post which told us about the kind hearted Canadian couple.

"Heartening story for a wee change, although I guess some will disapprove".

Do you think that we who still live in Scotland are so thick that we don't recognise that someone is making a jibe at people in Scotland who are concerned about the lack of CONTROLLED immigration into Scotland?

Then your response to him (Post #237)

"Yes life is good, it is just those negatives we come across".

So who are the negatives you are referring to ?

The answer has to be the people in Scotland who are concerned about the lack of CONTROLLED immigration.

We have been branded as racists by some people using this forum.

You could always of course come back and define who the "negatives" are, and why they are negatives in your opinion.

Regarding my figment of imagination, you must have missed Bilbo's post where he said I dislike people from a number of countries. There were so many I have forgotten them all. The only thing I do remember is that I have made friends with people of all the countries he mentioned.

Danny Harris


Posted by: angel 24th Aug 2016, 01:19am

YOU can interpret Bilbo's post anyway you fancy but you cannot read minds, and when it comes to my post you are most definitely 100% wrong as a matter of fact you have become one nasty little person . The post is about bikes and refugees and a couple who gave the bikes to them , nothing to do with you or Scotland but you have made it an issue from the demented thoughts in your mind . by the way this will be the last time that I will reply to you on this board , because you are not worth the time and regarding explaining my post to you about negatives , Don't Hold Your Breath .

Posted by: DannyH 24th Aug 2016, 09:13am

QUOTE (angel @ 24th Aug 2016, 02:19am) *
YOU can interpret Bilbo's post anyway you fancy but you cannot read minds, and when it comes to my post you are most definitely 100% wrong as a matter of fact you have become one nasty little person . The post is about bikes and refugees and a couple who gave the bikes to them , nothing to do with you or Scotland but you have made it an issue from the demented thoughts in your mind . by the way this will be the last time that I will reply to you on this board , because you are not worth the time and regarding explaining my post to you about negatives , Don't Hold Your Breath .


Hello Angel

I have to agree with you. I thought the post was supposed to be about bikes and refugees and a couple who gave bikes to them. However, other people, not me turned the topic into 'negativity'. I can't read their minds, but I can read what they write.

You are now one of a number of people who won't reply to me. I am not holding my breath.

Danny Harris

Posted by: Scotsman 24th Aug 2016, 04:12pm

You should be grateful Danny as all I can see is your are getting spiteful replies from Angel so its no loss not to get them. Its the same old stuff.... talk about controlled immigration and you get shouted down by the bigoted mob who have no experience of whats been going on in Glasgow these last few years!!

Posted by: Betsy2009 24th Aug 2016, 05:08pm

Of course we need controlled immigration but based on skills rather than skin colour or religion.

Posted by: DannyH 24th Aug 2016, 06:38pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 24th Aug 2016, 06:08pm) *
Of course we need controlled immigration but based on skills rather than skin colour or religion.


Hello Betsy

I totally agree with you.

I had a successful cataract operation performed on my right eye last year by a surgeon from the Middle East, and a cataract operation done on my left eye by another surgeon from the Middle East this year. In both cases I sent them a Thank You card.

I think I have also mentioned in previous posts that I have worked here and in other countries, with people who came from different countries across the world.

As this topic is entitled, 'Changes to Canada' I went to school there with children who had either come from all over Europe, or their parents had. Foreigners don't 'frighten' me. I have learned that from an early age. What frightens me is that we haven't learned from history. Opening up your arms to welcome everybody can have a devastation impact on future generations of the host countries' children. I use the American continents as evidence to support my belief. If that makes me a racist, so be it. How many Incas, Aztecs, or 'Red Indians' did we see performing at the Olympics 2016?

By the way, to avoid any misunderstanding, I am not suggesting that you look on me as being a racist.

Regards

Danny

Posted by: angel 24th Aug 2016, 07:42pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 24th Aug 2016, 05:08pm) *
Of course we need controlled immigration but based on skills rather than skin colour or religion.



Betsy I think here in Canada , it is controlled immigration and it is done on a points system
but as I hav'nt check that out recently it may have changed a bit .
But would be immigrants might do well to give there hopes of migration here second
thoughts as or economy isn't doing to well at this time .

Also regarding the refugees who came to Canada this year , they probably went through
a different process as security was top of the list and also it was a humanitarian act
by the government which still continues dealing with them . and I do hope that it will continue

Also in the news today , Muslim women who are officers in the RCMP
and for future recruits , they will now be allowed to wear their Hijab
as part of there uniform , and I think this is excellent news .

Posted by: wombat 24th Aug 2016, 09:36pm

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 24th Aug 2016, 05:08pm) *
Of course we need controlled immigration but based on skills rather than skin colour or religion.


rolleyes.gif or SPORTING ability they seem to rush 'them'through when needed yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Aug 2016, 09:43am

QUOTE (wombat @ 24th Aug 2016, 10:36pm) *
rolleyes.gif or SPORTING ability they seem to rush 'them'through when needed yes.gif


Spot on Wombat. thumbup.gif

Posted by: angel 22nd Oct 2016, 07:51pm

Today I am hearing that the Ceta talks between Canada and the E.U are back on track again , I do hope that an agreement will be reached because , from what I have read about the pros and cons regarding these talks which have taken 7years to get to this point, will surely be beneficial for both Canada and the EU .

Posted by: Betsy2009 22nd Oct 2016, 08:26pm

I read this this morning, Angel. Must be very frustrating for Canada.

''The EU is "impossible" to do deals with, the Canadian government said as a major trade agreement appeared to be on the brink of collapse.
In a sign of how difficult Britain's Brexit negotiations will be, the Canadians walked out of talks on Friday after a major trade deal was put on hold because of a tiny region in Belgium.
The region of Wallonia, population 3.5 million, is blocking the Canada-EU trade deal, which was due to be signed next week after seven years of talks.
Under the Belgian political system, major international deals need to be signed off by regional parliaments.
Wallonian farmers are opposed to the deal because they fear that the country will be flooded with cheap agricultural imports.
It raises the prospect of a tiny region like Wallonia attempting to block whatever deal Britain emerges with during Brexit talks .''

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/eu-is-impossible-to-do-deals-with-canada-says-sparking-fears-about-brexit-negotiations/ar-AAjf148?li=AA59G2&ocid=spartandhp

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Oct 2016, 10:06pm

Under the Belgian political system, major international deals need to be signed off by regional parliaments.

Wouldst that the UK had such a system. We would not be in this mess now!

Posted by: angel 22nd Oct 2016, 10:09pm

Hi Betsy , It does seem an impossible task to reach an agreement for Ceta and as you know our trade minister did walk out of the talks , but I think , although nothing was said about her walkout except that it happened I think she was told to walk back in by the Canadian government and keep talking .

I know that Walloonia is the problem but it is amazing that a small region of Belgium with a population of 3miilion or so , can stop the whole of the EU from signing an agreement but at this point it is now up to the EU to allay Wallonias' fears and hopefully something can be salvaged . " Maybe ".

Posted by: angel 27th Oct 2016, 05:32pm

Good news today , Canada and the EU have reached an agreement on Ceta , Hopefully ! smile.gif

Posted by: john.mcn 27th Oct 2016, 05:49pm

I see Greenpeace is against CETA

QUOTE
“The EU-Canada trade deal is irreparable and must be stopped. If ministers sign the deal today, they do so against major public opposition. Trade relations between the EU and other countries should adhere to basic democratic principles and help our countries reach climate, environmental, social as well as economic goals. But CETA will put the interests of multinationals above people and the planet.”


Trade deals should be about reducing, or removing tariffs, not giving foreign bodies the right to take 'sovereign' governments to court.

Posted by: angel 27th Oct 2016, 08:08pm

Ceta has not been finalized yet, there are still some changes to be made , I am sure !.. but I do hope that it will be a trade deal that will benefit both Canada and the EU .

I don't know enough about the ICS in this deal but whatever problems would come up in the future , I think that they will be dealt with in a fair and honest manner .

Posted by: Talisman 27th Oct 2016, 08:27pm

QUOTE (angel @ 22nd Oct 2016, 10:09pm) *
Hi Betsy , It does seem an impossible task to reach an agreement for Ceta and as you know our trade minister did walk out of the talks , but I think , although nothing was said about her walkout except that it happened I think she was told to walk back in by the Canadian government and keep talking .

I know that Walloonia is the problem but it is amazing that a small region of Belgium with a population of 3miilion or so , can stop the whole of the EU from signing an agreement but at this point it is now up to the EU to allay Wallonias' fears and hopefully something can be salvaged . " Maybe ".

This is the "dictatorship" of minority interest. It would not have occurred had not the rulers of the Brussels consortium been in full agreement with their stand on the issue. It will as like all dictatorships collapse in on itself. Free trade is a fearful and undesirable concept to the unelected and answerable to none commanders of the E.U. They could never compete on an equal footing with states dedicated to free and fair trade. Canada's loss; I think not.

Posted by: GG 27th Oct 2016, 08:41pm

There's a good article in the Guardian about the so-called 'trade' agreement, CETA. As the introduction mentions: CETA has nothing to do with generating trade, but everything to do with furthering the rampant corpratisation that is destroying the quality of peoples' lives on both sides of the Atlantic. A very sad day indeed... let's hope it can still be stopped.

QUOTE
People power is ending TTIP and other unpopular EU free-trade deals

As the great powers gathered in Japan for last week’s G7 summit, a series of massive trade deals were under attack from all sides. And yet, from Donald Trump to Jeremy Corbyn, there is a recognition that “trade” has become little more than a synonym for big business to take ever more control of society.

The US-Europe deal TTIP (the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership) is the best known of these so-called “new generation” trade deals and has inspired a movement. More than 3 million Europeans have signed Europe’s biggest petition to oppose TTIP, while 250,000 Germans took to the streets of Berlin last autumn to try to bring this deal down. A new opinion poll shows only 18% of Americans and 17% of Germans support TTIP, down from 53% and 55% just two years ago.

But TTIP is not alone. Its smaller sister deal between the EU and Canada is called Ceta (the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement). Ceta is just as dangerous as TTIP; indeed it’s in the vanguard of TTIP-style deals, because it’s already been signed by the European commission and the Canadian government. It now awaits ratification over the next 12 months.

The one positive thing about Ceta is that it has already been signed and that means that we’re allowed to see it. Its 1,500 pages show us that it’s a threat to not only our food standards, but also the battle against climate change, our ability to regulate big banks to prevent another crash and our power to renationalise industries.

Like the US deal, Ceta contains a new legal system, open only to foreign corporations and investors. Should the British government make a decision, say, to outlaw dangerous chemicals, improve food safety or put cigarettes in plain packaging, a Canadian company can sue the British government for “unfairness”. And by unfairness this simply means they can’t make as much profit as they expected. The “trial” would be held as a special tribunal, overseen by corporate lawyers. [...]

Full story here:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/30/ttip-trade-deal-agreements-ceta-eu-canada

And here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/19/people-power-ending-ttip-eu-free-trade-deals-ceta

GG.

Posted by: angel 27th Oct 2016, 10:56pm

Multinationals do bring good jobs to host countries .

http://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk/multinationals-indeed-bring-good-jobs-host-countries-here-s-why

Posted by: Billy7 Boil 28th Oct 2016, 12:39am

QUOTE (angel @ 27th Oct 2016, 10:56pm) *
Multinationals do bring good jobs to host countries .

http://blogs.worldbank.org/developmenttalk/multinationals-indeed-bring-good-jobs-host-countries-here-s-why

Unlike the pseudo socialists, the Neo Communist and the post Stalinist economic basket cases of the former and reviving (in Russia) Soviet Socialist Republics. Look around and see how many "exports" have reached the homes and communities from the East European greater co-prosperity sphere. Couldn't even produce an electric drill between 10 of them.

Posted by: angel 30th Oct 2016, 03:35pm

The CETA trade deal has now been ratified , which means many challenges for Canada with competition ahead dealing with the EU and making this deal successful for both countries , but this sure beats stagnating inside a country's own borders , anyway, we won't see much of a change anytime soon , maybe in the next couple of years. smile.gif

Posted by: Billy Boil 4th Nov 2016, 09:53pm

QUOTE (angel @ 30th Oct 2016, 03:35pm) *
The CETA trade deal has now been ratified , which means many challenges for Canada with competition ahead dealing with the EU and making this deal successful for both countries , but this sure beats stagnating inside a country's own borders , anyway, we won't see much of a change anytime soon , maybe in the next couple of years. smile.gif

We have a free trade agreement with the U.S.A. They are free to sell us what they want and we are free to buy what they tell us.

Posted by: TAlisman 4th Nov 2016, 09:55pm

QUOTE (petunia @ 5th Nov 2015, 01:26pm) *
Subject: Changes to Canada

Below is an excellent FB post that ALL people should read. This fellow is an Historian who offers an accurate assessment of the root of the problem the world faces today and more so well into the future.

Total hysteria. The Quotation of the Quran reminds me of that anti Jewish publication, so beloved by Nazis the world over, "The Protocols of the Electors of Zion". No we have anti Moslem sentiment sharing the same lying stage as that spurious publication. It is obvious the racist making up the "death sentences" ascribed to the Quran has in no way ever had contact with the book. In the Quran there are rules set out about how Muslims should interact with other creeds. Call for death are in the imagination of the "righteous haters" of all that is not White Anglo- Saxon and Protestant. Historians???? My A&%$@!!!

Posted by: angel 4th Nov 2016, 11:50pm

QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 4th Nov 2016, 09:53pm) *
We have a free trade agreement with the U.S.A. They are free to sell us what they want and we are free to buy what they tell us.


Billy, We also have a free trade agreement with the USA , it is called NAFTA , but if Trump should win the election he has said that he will get rid of it .

Posted by: angel 5th Nov 2016, 01:16am

Also Last week on the news I heard that Canada is no longer Americas' #1 trading partner that #1 spot now belongs to China . yes.gif

Posted by: Billy Boil 5th Nov 2016, 10:15am

QUOTE (angel @ 4th Nov 2016, 11:50pm) *
Billy, We also have a free trade agreement with the USA , it is called NAFTA , but if Trump should win the election he has said that he will get rid of it .

He will be getting rid of Mexico, all Muslims, China trade. He will reopen coal mines in Pennsylvania (even if all coalhas been removed). Americans will all be granted free fire arms ( no excuses for not having a gun; besides trumps followers dictum "what's the use of having a gun if you don't use it to kill"). No more overseas alliances with American forces. Russia will finally be free to conquer any little nation it can bully into submission. And last but not least this dangerous buffoon will have his manic hand on the nuclear trigger.

Posted by: angel 5th Nov 2016, 01:09pm

QUOTE (Billy Boil @ 5th Nov 2016, 09:15am) *
He will be getting rid of Mexico, all Muslims, China trade. He will reopen coal mines in Pennsylvania (even if all coalhas been removed). Americans will all be granted free fire arms ( no excuses for not having a gun; besides trumps followers dictum "what's the use of having a gun if you don't use it to kill"). No more overseas alliances with American forces. Russia will finally be free to conquer any little nation it can bully into submission. And last but not least this dangerous buffoon will have his manic hand on the nuclear trigger.


Exactly ! and we will no longer have to worry about terrorism , it will be firmly planted in the white house ,run by a dictator.

Posted by: angel 27th Nov 2016, 09:32pm

I see that Justin Trudeau is in the hot seat regarding his comments on the death of Fidel Castro which seems to me , " much ado but nothing " but the opposition parties , Tory and NDP have jumped on the political bandwagon and making a mountain out of a molehill and saying that Trudeau should not attend Castro's funeral , personally , I hope he does .

Cuba has been governed by totalitarian leaders including Batista who was supported by the USA plus a few well known gangsters and just maybe Castro was the best of A bad bunch .

I also see in the USA that the Trudeau remarks have not gone down to well but then , those political critics are catering to the Cuban exiles in America and especially Miami ." it's votes that count!

Trump is also shouting off his mouth about how evil Castro was . and will try to breakup the progress that Obama had made between the USA and Cuba .

Anyway these are just my thoughts and I heard that we should not be surprised if we hear that the Trump organization is building a hotel on the Bay of Pigs . huh.gif .

Posted by: Billy Boil 28th Nov 2016, 10:58pm

QUOTE (angel @ 27th Nov 2016, 09:32pm) *
I see that Justin Trudeau is in the hot seat regarding his comments on the death of Fidel Castro which seems to me , " much ado but nothing " but the opposition parties , Tory and NDP have jumped on the political bandwagon and making a mountain out of a molehill and saying that Trudeau should not attend Castro's funeral , personally , I hope he does .

Cuba has been governed by totalitarian leaders including Batista who was supported by the USA plus a few well known gangsters and just maybe Castro was the best of A bad bunch .

I also see in the USA that the Trudeau remarks have not gone down to well but then , those political critics are catering to the Cuban exiles in America and especially Miami ." it's votes that count!

Trump is also shouting off his mouth about how evil Castro was . and will try to breakup the progress that Obama had made between the USA and Cuba .

Anyway these are just my thoughts and I heard that we should not be surprised if we hear that the Trump organization is building a hotel on the Bay of Pigs . huh.gif .

Much as I have feelings of hostility towards a person of Trumps mind set, I am inclined to agree with him on his opinion of Castro. Castro was a thuggish and brutal dictator who surrounded himself with an aura of invincibility and personality orientated propaganda, which appealed to the bourgeois romanticist pseudo socialist of the sixties.

He well betrayed them, his own people and brought the world to the brink of a nuclear holocaust. The full aftermath story of the "Missile Crisis" showed the even commanders of lesser warships had the where for all to launch a nuclear attack on the United States and subsequently the world. This was down to the holy grail of socialism; Fidel.

If you think the people crying in the streets of Havana an indication of his popularity, observe how the brain washed citizens of Kim Jong Ill's concentration camp kingdom, weep with joy every time the mention the "Dear Leaders" name. Not to do so would require long periods of torture and re education.

A fascist dictator as were ALL socialist dictators preceding him.

Posted by: Samjohn 29th Nov 2016, 06:46pm

Billy Boil:

I have been a member of the club for a long time, using the names “Dugald” and ”Samjohn”, but I don’t think I have ever had the pleasure of exchanging emails with you. I don’t post these days, but I always read what is posted.

I have just finished reading your recent post about Fidel Castro, and I must say I disagree very strongly with what you say, especially the following part”:

“He [Castro] well betrayed them, his own people and brought the world to the brink of a nuclear holocaust. The full aftermath story of the "Missile Crisis" showed the even commanders of lesser warships had the where for all to launch a nuclear attack on the United States and subsequently the world. This was down to the holy grail of socialism; Fidel.”

Might I suggest Billy, that you ask yourself the following questions:

(1) Why was the Soviet Union placing nuclear weapons in Cuba?
(2) Were these warships that you mention any more threatening to the USA than the variety of American nuclear weapons, already in place surrounding the USSR, were to the Soviet Union?

This nuclear holocaust which you mention, was averted just in time. Whom would you praise with an “Attaboy” for averting this holocaust… Kennedy or Kruschov?

Cheers, Dugald

Posted by: john.mcn 29th Nov 2016, 07:02pm



I never quite understood the hero like status bestowed to people like Castro or Che Guevara, they didn't want to free people, they wanted to control them..

Posted by: Samjohn 1st Dec 2016, 01:53am

John, you say:

“I never quite understood the hero like status bestowed to people like Castro or Che Guevara, they didn't want to free people, they wanted to control them..”

The hero-like status which you mention with regard to Castro, I submit, was simply because to the vast majority of Cubans, he was a hero. He had after all, got rid of the Chicago gangsters who were running the country during Batista’s reign. His rag-tag army fought and successfully defended their island against a USA-sponsored CSA attempt to invade the island.

I wonder if you ever visited Cuba after Castro’s victory over the invaders. If you did, I cannot imagine that you came across many local Cubans who would have preferred to be controlled by the Chicago gangsters rather than Fidel.

Anyway, cheers, Dugald.

Posted by: bilbo.s 1st Dec 2016, 08:03am

QUOTE (Samjohn @ 1st Dec 2016, 02:53am) *
John, you say:

“I never quite understood the hero like status bestowed to people like Castro or Che Guevara, they didn't want to free people, they wanted to control them..”

The hero-like status which you mention with regard to Castro, I submit, was simply because to the vast majority of Cubans, he was a hero. He had after all, got rid of the Chicago gangsters who were running the country during Batista’s reign. His rag-tag army fought and successfully defended their island against a USA-sponsored CSA attempt to invade the island.

I wonder if you ever visited Cuba after Castro’s victory over the invaders. If you did, I cannot imagine that you came across many local Cubans who would have preferred to be controlled by the Chicago gangsters rather than Fidel.

Anyway, cheers, Dugald.


Hi Dugald. Not often we agree but on this occasion I certainly do, having been to Cuba twice this century. Sure, people were still poor, but nobody starved, had excellent education and healthcare, and were some of the cheeriest people I have met, despite the iniquitous US embargo. Contrast this with the enormous casino/brothel under Batista and the Mob. Apart from my visits, I have read widely about the history of the island and the Americans (US) do not come out well.

Posted by: john.mcn 1st Dec 2016, 07:03pm

I have never spoken to Cubans or visited the place so have no idea if they see him as a saviour. I was referring those those who live in the western democracies who see them as heroes.

Posted by: Billy Boil 1st Dec 2016, 10:57pm

QUOTE (Samjohn @ 29th Nov 2016, 06:46pm) *
Billy Boil:

I have been a member of the club for a long time, using the names “Dugald” and ”Samjohn”, but I don’t think I have ever had the pleasure of exchanging emails with you. I don’t post these days, but I always read what is posted.

I have just finished reading your recent post about Fidel Castro, and I must say I disagree very strongly with what you say, especially the following part”:

“He [Castro] well betrayed them, his own people and brought the world to the brink of a nuclear holocaust. The full aftermath story of the "Missile Crisis" showed the even commanders of lesser warships had the where for all to launch a nuclear attack on the United States and subsequently the world. This was down to the holy grail of socialism; Fidel.”

Might I suggest Billy, that you ask yourself the following questions:

(1) Why was the Soviet Union placing nuclear weapons in Cuba?
(2) Were these warships that you mention any more threatening to the USA than the variety of American nuclear weapons, already in place surrounding the USSR, were to the Soviet Union?

This nuclear holocaust which you mention, was averted just in time. Whom would you praise with an “Attaboy” for averting this holocaust… Kennedy or Kruschov?

Cheers, Dugald

Still a murdering, torturing, fascist ( yes they come in red and black ) egomaniac dictator.
Still, keep that red flag flying high and roll on the socialist millennia.

Great socialist leaders of the 20th century. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Kin Jong Ill and all his mentally antecedents, (notice how they hand down their empires to their families; Raul ?) Eric Honecker, Ceausescu and Fidel Castro. All heads of socialist dictatorships, no free press, no free vote, no free assembly and unparalleled corruption. Where there is no vote life has no value and yet those "socialists in the West still long for the day they can also suffer under the heels of obnoxious and worthless dictators.

Posted by: Dugald 2nd Dec 2016, 12:22am

Billy, in my Post #293 I posted the following:

Might I suggest Billy, that you ask yourself the following questions:

(1) Why was the Soviet Union placing nuclear weapons in Cuba?
(2) Were these warships that you mention any more threatening to the USA than the variety of American nuclear weapons, already in place surrounding the USSR, were to the Soviet Union?

This nuclear holocaust which you mention, was averted just in time. Whom would you praise with an “Attaboy” for averting this holocaust… Kennedy or Kruschov?

Could I please have an answer or at least a comment with regard to what I wrote here?

Cheers, Dugald.

Posted by: ExPOW 2nd Dec 2016, 09:16pm

How is this part of the discussion in any way related to "Changes to Canada" ladies and gentlemen? unsure.gif

Perhaps it deserves a dedicated topic by itself.
Just sayin'.