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Posted by: GG 1st Nov 2011, 11:09pm

Glasgow City Council's legal bid to evict a group of "anti-greed" protesters from their camp in a corner of George Square has suffered a setback after a Sheriff granted a 48-hour delay as a "compromise" between the council and protesters.

The "Occupy Glasgow" group, part of a worldwide protest action aimed primarily at what they see as the unchecked greed of bankers, pitched their tents opposite the City Chambers on 15th October.

The court action to evict the group, who are inspired by the Occupy Wall Street campaign, was due to get underway today, but has now been put off until Thursday after the group asked for more time to prepare their defence against expulsion from Glasgow's main civic square.

The council says that it needs to remove the group in order to prepare the square for Remembrance Day and Christmas activities, citing the fact that they have offered the group alternative locations to site their camp. In response, Occupy Glasgow claims that they would in no way interfere with the commemoration of Armistice Day, saying that the soldiers who died in foreign wars did so in order that groups like themselves should have the right to freedom of expression and demonstration.





GG.

Posted by: tarheels 2nd Nov 2011, 12:01am

We VETERANS fight for our country and civil rights, and a lot of good men and women gave there life for this freedom. As far as bankers and wall street go's look into the bildabirgers (bankers) that have taken over the banks world wide (wall street) these people want to take over the world (money madness) if you don't believe it check it out. i have!

clarence potter sr
a combat veteran +++++++ rielly

Posted by: Elma 2nd Nov 2011, 12:04am

It is time these so called protesters all over the world packed up their tents and went home.

Posted by: benny 2nd Nov 2011, 12:22am

I don't know how it is in Canada, but in Britain we still have the right to peaceful protest, and long may it continue.

Posted by: *Shirley* 2nd Nov 2011, 02:11am

I'm for the protestors as they are acting for us. It's about time someone stood up to the bankers and if the Labour councillors wish to evict protestors against bankers then maybe what they said about Labour toadying up to big business has been true all along.

Time surely to take a stand for something other than greed?

Posted by: tibbiesmom 2nd Nov 2011, 04:12am

It is the same here in the US. Ample time has been allowed for the protests, now it's time to go home. Things are beginning to get a bit nasty here.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 2nd Nov 2011, 06:41am

How long can they stay there before claiming sqatters rights? wink.gif

Posted by: glasgow lassie 2nd Nov 2011, 07:21am

I voted NO. Its a sad day for Glasgow when a peaceful protest cannot be allowed to be made because of Rememberance Sunday. Is that not what our young men fought for and are still fighting for? Very sad indeed!

Posted by: Weegie 2nd Nov 2011, 07:35am

I think the council should leave the protesters to continue to protest if they like as long as it is peaceful and respectful of Armistice Day events. The only thing I would say is that the whole universe exists because of one entity capitalising on another, and I'd much rather live in a country where some people get rich through taking advantage of the opportunities that come their way, than one where people get rich by consciously oppressing the competition. Some would argue that that is what's happening right now. I think they are drama queens. I am far from rich, but I still have freedom and choice. Given the chance to take home an income of 1 million a year would I take it? Too damn right I would, and were it to be offered to some of those protesters, I don't think it'd be too long before the group disbanded...

Posted by: eidas 2nd Nov 2011, 07:58am

Armistice Day and the Christmas period may give non-protesters the chance to speak with the protesters and listen to their point of view, to which all of us are entitled, too often no one bothers to listen. Leave them where they are, they're not hurting anyone.

Posted by: Melody 2nd Nov 2011, 08:25am

Armistice Day and Christmas are all about the remembrance of the poor souls lost in rich man's wars and I don't imagine Jesus would have removed the protesters. Heaven help them, who would want to camp in George Square in this weather? Occupy Glasgow and the protesters around the world seem to be the only ones attempting to draw attention to the injustice and greed that we are all suffering under these days. We don't deserve the goodness of some of these young people the way we have all let all this greed get so out of control.

Posted by: *duinemor* 2nd Nov 2011, 09:04am

There was once a time when Labour would BE the protesters about capitalist greed. How times have changed for a party that has lost its core values. The protesters should stay. A bit of imagination surely for Remembrance Day - have it in Cathedral Square or Glasgow Green this year for a wee change. It's not rocket sceince.

Posted by: chas1937 2nd Nov 2011, 09:07am

I wonder where they get the money from in first place or are they all millionaires with nothing else to do.More likely they are all on benefits of some kind which of course means it they are doing that they could be out working that rest of folk have to do

Posted by: Ayeyuya 2nd Nov 2011, 09:09am

They are more interested in getting on their Money making events, planned for the Square, than any concern for the exServiceman

Posted by: Jupiter 2nd Nov 2011, 09:16am

The protesters have made their point and it is time for them to go but I get the impression that this will go the whole road so when the legal process is complete they will be moved with reasonable force ie mounted police,water canon,taser guns and the army on standby should they be required. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: thepaperboy 2nd Nov 2011, 09:22am

why is it all the canadian imigrants want to tell us how to run our country,we still have a say in what our country should be run,they all sound like yangs now,what are they doing about caledonia its been going on for years now.

Posted by: Melody 2nd Nov 2011, 09:30am

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 2nd Nov 2011, 09:42am) *
The protesters have made their point and it is time for them to go but I get the impression that this will go the whole road so when the legal process is complete they will be moved with reasonable force ie mounted police,water canon,taser guns and the army on standby should they be required. rolleyes.gif

No Jupiter that's what we should be doing to the bankers.

Posted by: Guest 2nd Nov 2011, 09:30am

The tolerence shown to our Occupy Vancouver group is testament to the fact that Canadians here do not speak for most Canadians. I am a Secnd World War and a D-Day Veteran and I know that the Comrades that I lost during those years would be supporting the protesters. Many of todays Seniors are yesterdays Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen who are still waiting for the better World for which they Fought and saw others Die. I Remember every single day that I live.

Posted by: *Harry Greenwood* 2nd Nov 2011, 09:35am

It is not about making a point, it is about making a difference. The Protest is the instrument to do that.

Posted by: Jupiter 2nd Nov 2011, 09:41am

Melody,
I listened to two protesters on BBC Scotland News one of whom stated he was homeless and thats why he was there and the other one talking of bankers robbing them blind.Now both have valid beefs but neither of them or any other protesters Ive listened to have come up with any credible alternative financial system to the one presently in place.
I firmly believe that living in a democratic country as we do,each individual has the right to peaceful protest.Having done so it is time to move on.They have been asked but they appear to be digging in so it looks as though the matter will be decided by the courts and ultimately by court appointed officials/police.
I was joking about the tasers guns and the army. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: *Harry Greenwood* 2nd Nov 2011, 10:23am

Are you saying that the Courts and the Police are the protectors of the bankers and the speculators who have brought about these Protests.
If so, who can the Protesters look to for support of their grievance. The question of Democracy is a two sided sword!

Posted by: Melody 2nd Nov 2011, 10:30am

Aye they'll likely 'move' them on in the middle of the night.

Posted by: ROB KILKIE 2nd Nov 2011, 10:45am

Seems a bit rich coming from Glasgow Corporation, the ones who took the money from a movie company and pop award ceremony to take over the square. So how much do they want to let the protesters remain there ?

Posted by: Jupiter 2nd Nov 2011, 11:02am

Harry Greenwood,If I was saying that the police were protectors of the bankers and speculators would I be so wrong?The police are a non political,non vested interest organisation who exist to,among other things uphold law and order.The Protesters can expect every protection from the police,just like you and I, on condition we are living within the laws of the land.If you are not familiar with my posts let me just say I normally say what I mean.
Melody if it does come to a forceful removal,and I hope it doesnt come to that would it not be better if it did happen at a time when it did not paralyse the city centre and stop lawful citizens going about their business?

Posted by: Kerry Gill 2nd Nov 2011, 11:04am

Occupiers have made their point, whatever that may be, and it is time to go. Other people want to use George Square for various reasons, so why does the camp take precedence over their wishes?

Posted by: PABLO 2nd Nov 2011, 11:13am

Saying that protesters should go home is how bankers have become so powerful that they are now treating the ordinary people like dirt.

Posted by: droschke7 2nd Nov 2011, 11:18am

QUOTE (Elma @ 2nd Nov 2011, 12:30am) *
It is time these so called protesters all over the world packed up their tents and went home.

Nevermind went home, how about if they went to work? What I mean is how do these people finance their protesting? Have they all taken time off work? are they unemployed and living from the state? or are they themselves the Capitalists that they claim to despise. I myself am a disabled Veteran and am worried that the Remembrance Day Celebrations could end up looking like a farce with these protestors in place.

Posted by: Backcauseway 2nd Nov 2011, 11:29am

They have had the protest. Made the point. Now its time to go. Perhaps the city council should charge them rent. Plus the clean up cost once they have gone. The people I have seen in the tents seem almost unemployable to my "untrained" eyes.

Posted by: Melody 2nd Nov 2011, 11:39am

Jupiter, hopefully we all say what we mean. No Jupiter, it would be better to 'move' them during daylight hours in full view of Glasgow citizens if this is their intention. Let the ordinary folk for whom the campers are protesting see what really happens to your right to protest.


Posted by: Jupiter 2nd Nov 2011, 11:55am

Melody,I have no problems with that whatsoever but was merely considering the bigger picture and inconvenience to other citizens,having saw the mayhem which ensued at George Square recently when a film crew took over.Incidentally I consider myself an ordinary sort and wouldnt,couldnt ever contemplate any of the protesters (and Ive seen quite a few) speaking up or being under the impression they were acting on my behalf or for my benefit .

Posted by: ThomasM 2nd Nov 2011, 11:56am

I too must admit that I feel I have little in common with these protesters and can't for a second imagine that I have anything in common with them. However that's exactly how I feel when I see a greedy banker or pompous politician come on the telly. I think we need some kind of middle ground here.

Posted by: The Callands Rebel 2nd Nov 2011, 12:05pm

Being a Virginian and a Capalist, I detest the Banks and their bail outs, however, as a capitalist I grew up poor in Orgeon Hill of Richmond, though we didn't know we were poor.

Grew up and our form of life afforded me the opportunity by working hard, without government social programs (Democrats), to make a damn good living.

These protesters need to be removed, they are the suckers of society.

Why else is there an influx STILL of immigrants, legal and illegal, because of CAPITALISM and life's dream afforded all here.

Posted by: Johse 2nd Nov 2011, 12:30pm

Although I agree that something needs to be done to stop banks & big business doing what they like, i am not sure the protests clinging on to George square will do any good. in fact they may be tempting fate... as many other demos started in good faith only to be hijacked by people with other agendas... and next thing you know the whole event has got out of control.

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Posted by: TeeHeeHee 2nd Nov 2011, 01:12pm

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 2nd Nov 2011, 10:28am) *
... Melody if it does come to a forceful removal ... would it not be better if it did happen at a time when it did not paralyse the city centre and stop lawful citizens going about their business?

OK Joop, you did explain to us that you were jokin' about the Tasers and the Army gettin' sent in. Now tell us that you're jokin' again.
The protestors are not there to paralyse the City Centre but to make the point that the City needs paralysing before the banks are faced with "GAME OVER" and the tax-payer has to re-boot the City so it can start all over again
There are a lot of good replies here about a generation or three whose lives were the down-payment for the freedom to protest; at tax-payers being ripped off by the financial districts around the world for example, and these young protestors are making use of that freedom and the Cenotaph; in honour of the brave young men who died for our freedoms, is the most honourable place for the protest to take place.
Worrying about Remembrance Sunday or how your Christmas might be effected by the protestors makin' it difficult to put the lights up, is doing no honour to the men who fell.
Take the protestors cups of coffee and support them. They're doing what you should be doing .... if you were younger. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: George Brown 2nd Nov 2011, 01:16pm

I agree with the protesters and what they want to achieve, but I think they should recognise the value of the Square at this point in time, remembrance services will be held with all the sobriety that the occasion demands, if it wasn't for those absent souls demonstrators lives might be totally different today,
the Christmas scene comes soon after and many kiddies are brought forward to wonder at the spectacle the square presents, although I don't fully agree with the carnival in the square it is still a children's wonderland and perhaps an introduction to Christian belief
I would say don't take it away from the kiddies they are only young once, also as I have just noticed a forecast for a Siberian chill to hit the country the protesters should consider bowing out gracefully, to return in milder times I am sure such a considerate action of goodwill might attract a bit more support in the future

Posted by: Jupiter 2nd Nov 2011, 01:57pm

The protesters have excercised their rights and good luck to them but thats it.They have made their point that the world needs to change although Ive not heard any of them put forward how that can be done.
I like a punt and I would put good money down that the protesters could sit there in their wigwams for the next ten years and there still will be no discernable change in how things work.

Posted by: Rabbie 2nd Nov 2011, 02:17pm

QUOTE (Jupiter @ 2nd Nov 2011, 08:42am) *
ie mounted police,water canon,taser guns and the army on standby should they be required. rolleyes.gif

Aye, aye. Now't like the softly softly in wi the boot approach to win over a disgrunted faction. tongue.gif

"We come in peace, phasers to STUN and shoot to kill men!"

I feel as long as the protesters do not disrespect Armistace Day they should stay until something tangible is implemented to curb the excesses of pig swilling capitalist bankers. Not yer wee lassie on the till sort, the bloated bowler hatted pinstripe suited brigade. As fur Xmas, that's cancelled there's a recession on ye know.

It will be a bad day when the right to peaceful protest goes out the windea, give this lame excuse of a government half a chance an they would sell us doon the river with that too. There is way too much public apathy, that's how these modern age Dick Turpins and their cutpurse cohorts get away with blue murder while joe public receives a royal reaming of biblical proportions.

Come the revolution, oot wi yer tactical array and let em have it folks.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 2nd Nov 2011, 02:22pm

QUOTE (*duinemor* @ 2nd Nov 2011, 08:30am) *
The protesters should stay. A bit of imagination surely for Remembrance Day - have it in Cathedral Square or Glasgow Green this year for a wee change. It's not rocket sceince.

You're forgetting about the location of the Cenotaph, so it's a bit more complicated than you would have us believe.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 2nd Nov 2011, 05:01pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 2nd Nov 2011, 01:48pm) *
You're forgetting about the location of the Cenotaph, so it's a bit more complicated than you would have us believe.

QUOTE
TeeHeeHee:
There are a lot of good replies here about a generation or three whose lives were the down-payment for the freedom to protest (at tax-payers being ripped off by the financial districts around the world for example) and these young protestors are making use of that freedom and the Cenotaph; in honour of the brave young men who died for our freedoms, is the most honourable place for the protest to take place.

I think I covered that point.

Posted by: Scotsman 2nd Nov 2011, 05:19pm

Some great replies to this and I have enjoyed reading them!!

One thing that I think is important is what someone said (sorry dont recall who) is that in days gone past you would have expected the Labour councillors to be manning the barricades with the protestors rather than lurking around courts trying to get them thrown out of a public space. And where else should the protestors be?? Freezing in Buchanan Street??

I got the joke that Jupiter made smile.gif But when you think that it took aboot 100 polis to throw a East End granny out of her own home.... maybe its closer to the truth than we think. Time will tell....

Posted by: Catarina 2nd Nov 2011, 05:26pm

I am of two minds here...however, I did vote no to removing the Protesters.

We here in Canada,and almost in my own backyard have these same protesters. Like some of you, I wonder who these mostly young folks are.

Are the majority street people, with no work,no ambition, and no idea other than to join the gang. My fault, not knowing. I could quite easily just go to them,ask a few questions to satisfy my curiosity. Instead I follow their replies to inquiries made by newspaper, and T.V. reporters I have come to the conclusion their grievances are what the majority of us complain about daily. Banks, politicians, big business, overpaid CEOs, the gap between the rich and the poor. Like us, it seems, well by their quotes as I listen to them, they have no solutions, just mostly jargon, which I for one at times cannot decipher.

So where does it all end, and most importantly...how will it all end.

Unless a few professional thugs decide to infiltrate the group in St.George Square on Remembrance day, common sense would dictate that if this group of protesters wish to keep the support of John Q. public they will be respectful of our War Veterans,who died on Flanders field so that we, the Citizens of the World could be free to express in a peaceful manner, our democratic beliefs.

I do believe that these demonstrations are just the tip of the iceberg. People world wide are seeking justice. It is in our face daily on The Idiot Box.

APART FROM TELLING THESE PROTESTERS TO.."GO FIND A JOB"... OF WHICH I MYSELF ARE GUILTY AT TIMES.... DO YOU HAVE ANY VALID SOLUTIONS??? I KNOW I DON'T.

Posted by: maise doats 2nd Nov 2011, 05:34pm

Absolutely not. people protesting is the only way that the majority of people can make their voice heard. Glasgow Council have a cheek to call themselves socialists, so much for them being "the party of the people"

Posted by: Cameron 2nd Nov 2011, 07:01pm

Paperboy i might have moved to Canada and i might be a citizen but i did my time in the army before i came to Canada , did you do any time in the army?

Posted by: Guest 2nd Nov 2011, 09:09pm

QUOTE
We VETERANS fight for our country and civil rights, and a lot of good men and women gave there life for this freedom. As far as bankers and wall street go's look into the bildabirgers (bankers) that have taken over the banks world wide (wall street) these people want to take over the world (money madness) if you don't believe it check it out. i have!

If you look at many financial institutions you can read a list of bankers who did also give the ultimate sacrifice in war. Those people fought for their country too and are not here to condemn your post.

Posted by: wee davy 2nd Nov 2011, 09:35pm

QUOTE
The police are a non political,non vested interest organisation ...

Says Joop

Gies a brek, pal laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Anybody resigned at the Met recently???

Posted by: wombat 2nd Nov 2011, 09:46pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 2nd Nov 2011, 10:01pm) *
says Joop

Gies a brek, pal laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Anybody resigned at the Met recently???

laugh.gif made me laff tae wee davy.

Posted by: thepaperboy 2nd Nov 2011, 09:58pm

cameron because you were in the army is that the right to tell others how they have to live.big deal you in the army look back on the last few years your army hasn't done to well,iraq,look at the mess they left ,afganistan,just wait till they pull out and see the crap they leave.what was it dylan says if all eles fails join the army.and by the way 20% of our prisons are filled with xservice men and to answer your question NO i was not in the bloody army.i see you never answered about caledonia

Posted by: *aja007* 2nd Nov 2011, 10:20pm

These "protesters" are nothing but work-shy layabouts and should be removed asap!

Posted by: wombat 2nd Nov 2011, 10:26pm

the usuall sh.t will happen piggy's will bust a few heads .END laugh.gif

Posted by: Jupiter 2nd Nov 2011, 10:34pm

Ive just seen David Attenburgh and the penguins in the South Atlantic and the thought occurred to me that as a society they seem to be doing ok.They all look the same,have the same coat,dont seem to have leaders or any problems with finance or other mundane things.Jump in the sea and get a free fish when they are peckish and back up the road and on to the nest.All seem very pally as well because when they go for a walk there is usually a few hundred of them go together.One penguin doesnt have any more than the next penguin.Real equality.
The only drawback I could see is its a bit chilly down there but it doesnt seem to faze them as they have built in insulation and dont depend on winter payouts to pay the bills.
rolleyes.gif

Posted by: droschke7 3rd Nov 2011, 01:05am

LOL Couple more problems than that Joop, ie Leopard Seals and Killer Whales etc, any chance we could see a couple of them (Leopard Seals and Killer Whales) at the square to remove these workshy louts?

Posted by: GG 3rd Nov 2011, 01:07am

QUOTE (*aja007* @ 2nd Nov 2011, 09:46pm) *
These "protesters" are nothing but work-shy layabouts and should be removed asap!

You couldn't be more wrong with that comment, aja007. The protesters are actually working very hard in George Square helping feed and clothe the many homeless people who have been attracted to the protest camp in the hope of getting food and shelter. In addition, the 'Occupy Glasgow' group have been victims of repeated theft and threats of violence. Speaking last week about the dangers protesters faced at night, even in one of the busiest parts of the whole of Glasgow, one protester said:

QUOTE
"They [homeless people] are on the streets and they saw the tents and the lights and just started wandering in at night. They weren’t interested in the protest. A lot of them are vulnerable in some way.

We asked the police to provide us with more protection and spoke to the council about it sending round community wardens, but we were left on our own to deal with them."

GG.

Posted by: GG 3rd Nov 2011, 01:14am

Regarding the attitude of the organisers of Remembrance Day, human rights lawyer Aamer Anwar, who is assisting Occupy Glasgow with their legal defence against eviction, said:

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"It is my understanding that the Royal British Legion, who are organising the Remembrance Day events, have no problem with the protesters remaining in the square."

See the http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/277170-occupy-glasgow-protest-camp-likely-to-move-from-george-square/ on this subject for more comment and analysis.

GG.

Posted by: proudmaryhiller 3rd Nov 2011, 01:17am

After that terrible incident last week, I thought they would have had the good sense to move on.

Posted by: Norman G 3rd Nov 2011, 01:55am

It would be good if we could see some positive change from all the protests round the world but I don't think it will happen any time soon.
When the banks were making all the money where did it come from? From all the ordinary people.
When the banks lost all the money who picked up the tab? Yes, us again.
So no change there.

Posted by: *jimmyc* 3rd Nov 2011, 02:52am

I see that the Conservative authorities in London have dropped their legal bid to move protesters... would it be too much for the Labour authorities in Glasgow to adopt the same mature and compassionate attitude to a popular protest?

Answer: Of course it would. The authorities in Glasgow lack both compassion and maturity... not to mention a fair bit of common sense!

Posted by: wellfield 3rd Nov 2011, 04:53am

QUOTE (Norman G @ 2nd Nov 2011, 06:21pm) *
It would be good if we could see some positive change from all the protests round the world but I don't think it will happen any time soon.
When the banks were making all the money where did it come from? From all the ordinary people.
When the banks lost all the money who picked up the tab? Yes, us again.
So no change there.

Not to worry..It's just the beginning of the anarchy that it will eventually turn into all over the world...it's the only way to budge these giant corporations and beaurocrats of their ass!!

Posted by: GG 3rd Nov 2011, 08:22am

The http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15569255 that the Occupy Glasgow protesters have voluntarily decided to move their camp away from George Square, in order to accommodate the city's commemoration of Armistice Day.

The group took the decision to relocate after organising a series of city centre interviews with members of the public during the early part of the week. The protesters, despite considerable popular support, were always aware that their presence in George Square during Remembrance Sunday may have shown them in a negative light with the ordinary people of Glasgow, and have now decided to move to Kelvingrove Park.

An Occupy Glasgow spokeswoman said:

QUOTE
"We are going to move to Kelvingrove Park as the council have offered. We plan to pack up tomorrow morning and then move, though we have to arrange it with the council."

Let us hope that Glasgow City Council and Strathclyde Police now listen – and act on – the group's pleas for assistance and protection.

The voluntary move should mean that the council will no longer need to pay the exhorbitant fees of a QC to represent them at the scheduled hearing at Glasgow Sheriff Court this afternoon. wink.gif

GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 3rd Nov 2011, 08:54am

But they're holding ground at St Paul's Cathedral.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056679/St-Pauls-protesters-stay-New-Year-humiliating-climbdown-authorities.html

Posted by: Melody 3rd Nov 2011, 10:20am

I was just thinking isn't it a terrible sad reflection on us that we seem to now accept that homeless people roam the streets at night. Was it not for the likes of these young people around the world who are protesting (much to their own personal discomfort) while the rest of us sleepwalk through a complete nightmare many more of us will be homeless.

I'm sad that they have had to move from George Square although we may find that many more will join their ranks in the West End.

Posted by: Jupiter 3rd Nov 2011, 11:59am

They will probably be aware that the police here have borrowed three watercannon from NIpolice.
Seen yesterday leaving the boat at Stranraer heading up the A77.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 3rd Nov 2011, 12:00pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 2nd Nov 2011, 04:27pm) *
I think I covered that point.

Sorry THH, i must have missed it.

Posted by: Ruth 3rd Nov 2011, 01:59pm

I feel sorry for all those young people out there in the cold in George's Square. Too often we say that young people don't care about anything and then when we do we are not very nice to them.

Posted by: thepaperboy 3rd Nov 2011, 07:52pm

cameron canada, you lost for words, man whats happend to canuks?

Posted by: Scotsman 3rd Nov 2011, 07:58pm

Oh well.... at least the protestors made their point and have got loads of news and press coverage for their cause.... they fought a decent fight all things considered. I wonder how much the cooncil spent on getting them to move? Could it not have been done without going to the courts??

Next time I visit the Kelvingrove which will be before the end of the month I will make sure I take them a box of tea bags and some bicuits!!

Posted by: thomasm 4th Nov 2011, 03:28am

Sotsman, I'm glad to see this resolved peacefully as it's not the time of year for violence in George Square or anywhere else for that matter. So well done to both parties.

If it came to it though I am quite sure the council's actions would have led to a night-time eviction by force just to silence a peaceful protest.

Posted by: tamhickey 4th Nov 2011, 05:18am

Praise where it's due for the council, they set up floodlights, fresh water and toilets for the protestors. Thing is though, couldn't they have done all this sooner without resorting to court action?

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 4th Nov 2011, 08:12am

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 3rd Nov 2011, 07:24pm) *
... Next time I visit the Kelvingrove which will be before the end of the month I will make sure I take them a box of tea bags and some bicuits!!

Very nice show of support Scotsman. Bit late in the day though intit?
Go on, fill a flask wi' coffee and a wee bit o' rum in it and pop round now.
Show us what your made of. biggrin.gif

Posted by: GG 5th Nov 2011, 12:28pm

Glasgow City Council proceeded with its action at the Sheriff Court on Thursday, obtaining a warrant to eject protesters from the site no sooner than midnight on Sunday. While it is understood that most of the protesters will relocate to a site in Kelvingrove Park before then, some of the Occupy Glasgow group – unhappy at being coerced into a decision to end their peaceful protest in George Square – intend to stay.

The council has indicated that any protesters remaining in the square beyond the court deadline will be removed by the council.

GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 5th Nov 2011, 12:53pm

Maybe on this memorable day a wee bonfire would be in order to help keep those stoic people warm out there. It's a pity though that the very Anon protestors masks are raking in a nice wee bit for one of capitalism's greatest protaginists, namely Time Warner.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/nov/04/occupy-movement-guy-fawkes-mask?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT6921

Still, in honour of the only man to have entered the Houses of Parliament with honest intentions. Spare a thought today for the original protestor:

Guy Fawkes
1570 Born 13th April, Stonegate, York.



1606 Died 31st January Executed in the Garden of St. Paul's Cathedral / Old Palace Yard, Westminster.


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QUOTE
We Are the 99 Percent


Allow Us to Introduce Ourselves

We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting everything. We are the 99 percent.

Brought to you by the people who occupy wall street. Why will YOU occupy?

http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/

I remember the Hell's Angels used to be called the 1%'ers maybe that's what this 1 percent should be known as. cool.gif

Posted by: janeyteegee 5th Nov 2011, 04:26pm

HI; been reading all the very interesting comments on the occupation
of protesters in George Square; What's happened to The Canuk's,,,???
We are here in Toronto but we have occupied 'a park' in downtown and
so far nobody has been thrown out except yesterday one young guy
was taken away in an ambulance from a 'drug-overdose'(heroin),,,,
what does that tell ya,,,???
While I am in full support of the protesters since we live in a democratic
society,it's about time we took a stand against 'corporate-greed',,,,
having a front row seat watching the start of 'Occupy Wall Street' and
how not 'ONE' of those greedy bankers has gone to jail,they are all in
the same class as 'Madoff' and they made a prime example of him,but
the people he stole from were already wealthy,not your average joe
working man who lost house,job,etc when the banks went under then
the 'party of the people' bailed them out but left 'poor joe' out in a tent
in the park,,,,
My family work for the big corporations who have CEO's giving them-
selves 'millions' in bonus's every year while the workers who make
this money for them to take in the first place,have to go on strike to
get a decent standard of living wage,,it's time we all took a stand
against 'Huge Corporate Greed',,,
We had some 'socialist -city-council' members living in subsidized
housing while collecting their big salaries with all the tax benefits,
they soon moved when they were exposed in the local newspaper,
so it's not just the bankers,it takes all kinds of 'greed',,this is 'One
Canuck' who takes a stand in protest,,,,


I hope the protesters move to the 'Kelvingrove Park' peacefully,here in
Toronto parks they have portable-potties,water,food deliveries,medical
aid,etc,etc,so they are in for the long haul,,,,

Posted by: tombro 6th Nov 2011, 09:51am

Janeyteegee,

Couldn't give a stuff about Occupy this or that protesters but must protest about your choice of avatar !

From memory, that is Stratson's avatar on GG and must forever stay so, so please change it !

Tombro

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 6th Nov 2011, 10:40am

QUOTE
(quote name='TeeHeeHee' date='5th Nov 2011, 12:19pm' post='3559680']
... It's a pity though that the very Anon protestors masks are raking in a nice wee bit for one of capitalism's greatest protaginists, namely Time Warner.

Then I found this snippet.

QUOTE
The terrible irony is that the mask is a paid-for product, owned by a major corporation.

Time Warner owns the rights to the masks and with every mask sold more money is deposited into that corporation's bank account.

The movement is working its way around that with replica masks.

According to CNN, replicas are now being mass produced in Asia.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058020/How-Guy-Fawkes-masks-symbol-anti-greed-protests-globe.html#ixzz1cuyuFA3v

Posted by: Dave Grieve 6th Nov 2011, 11:31am

Greed is the second oldest profession, and I fear the protestors only outlook is going to hospital with Pneumonia.
Sure they may score a small success here and there but in the long term its just a waste of time and effort.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 6th Nov 2011, 11:52am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 6th Nov 2011, 10:57am) *
... in the long term its just a waste of time and effort.

Not really sure I can agree with that Dave.
If you bring something to someone's attention then at least you've done your bit and that's worth the effort at least. Of course, what happens after that may prove your point ... or not. wink.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 6th Nov 2011, 12:05pm

This kind of protest hasen't happened here that I know of.
So all I can do is observe the various protests around the world, and while doing that I dont see any escalation anywhere in the amount of support for the protestors.
Even some of the comments on this board show the appathy of people who say they support the protestors like "the next time I go that way I willl give them a packet of biscuits or tea or something similiar. (not picking on anybody but using it as an example) if you really believe in their cause, JOIN THEM.
Think back to the CND protests in the 60s do you see anything like that happening or the anti Springbok tour protests in the late 60s, long term its just a waste of time.

Posted by: GG 6th Nov 2011, 02:39pm

Two artilces in the Sunday Herald today which may be of interest:

A new home ... but the protest goes on
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/a-new-home-but-the-protest-goes-on-1.1133347

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"The Church[es] are on our side in the sense that they have got to be, if they believe in Jesus and the story of the Bible."

What do Scotland's religious leaders think of the Occupy movement?
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/a-blessing-or-a-curse-what-do-scotland-s-religious-leaders-think-of-the-occupy-movement-1.1133354

GG.

Posted by: janeyteegee 6th Nov 2011, 03:50pm

QUOTE (tombro @ 6th Nov 2011, 03:17am) *
Janeyteegee,

Couldn't give a stuff about Occupy this or that protesters but must protest about your choice of avatar !

From memory, that is Stratson's avatar on GG and must forever stay so, so please change it !

Tombro

Well thank you very much Tombro,had no idea I had stepped on someone's toes,,,, have changed my avatar as per your request,,,, wink.gif

Posted by: wombat 6th Nov 2011, 08:53pm

well everywans threw their 2 bobs wurth in wie this discussion,and most see demonstrators as a bit of a nuisance,the cops made a right mess of em in melbourne,blood everywhere,(that'll dae wonders for public relations) the reality is it was an attack by an armed group against an unarmed group.
(that'll dae wonders for law and order) then the same week the politicians got a huge pay increase 'again',the cops got wan as well,"again" laugh.gif there's a pattern emerging here where the law protects the greedy and batters blood and shit outta anyone that complains .i feel most of us are cowards (me included)when we sit in front of the idiot box and say "they deserve tae have their heads caved in WE SHALL OVERCOME ONE DAY AAY laugh.gif


 

Posted by: GG 6th Nov 2011, 11:58pm

The big move from George Square to Kelvingrove Park on Friday: the council (to their credit, as well as to speed things up) sent a gaffer, some workies and a truck.

GG.








 

Posted by: GG 7th Nov 2011, 01:13am

The police sent a mobile surveillance unit.

GG.


 

Posted by: Scotsman 7th Nov 2011, 06:32pm

The weather is really turning Baltic now in Glasgow so I hope that all the protestors have got their thermals on now as they will be freezing otherwise. If they were still in George Square then they could have rigged up a pipeline from the city chambers into the campsite so that they could have benifited from all the hot air that those councillors talk!!

Haha.... that would have been TOASTY!!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 7th Nov 2011, 11:13pm

I've been reading this morning about the trouble they've been having at St Pauls Cathedral and was happy to note at least that the high heid yins at St Paul's are not blaming the protestors for the spray-painted grafitti on the outside wall or the use of the Cathedral's interior as a toilet.
Either mindless morons at work or people setting out to make things look worse for the demonstrators.
Shockin' behaviour as far as I'm concerned.
Can't imagine anyone sinking to these depths of depravity.

Posted by: Elma 8th Nov 2011, 03:08am

At last Vancouver City Mayor has ordered the Occupy Vancouver people to move or else..... The tent city that has sprung up there, thankfully not in the area of the Cenotaph, has become the residence of drug addicts etc. There was one man who was taken to hospital due to drugs last week and a young woman died there of an overdose on Saturday. Most of the people there now don't even know why they are there but are only there to party and do drugs. The time has come to stop this nonsense all round the world, this kind of action does nothing and personally, I think it is completely unnecessary and wrong, I am not a supporter of these protesters.

Posted by: tamhickey 8th Nov 2011, 08:13am

Elma, that's such a waste of young lives. Drugs are the scourge of society and my heart goes out to their parents and friends, but in Glasgow, they have made a point of discouraging this by agreeing to a no drink and no drugs policy, so that they're taken seriously. I wouldn't like to be out there on this cold November night, and I admire these young people who do so in the belief that they are speaking out on behalf of us all.

Posted by: ashfield 8th Nov 2011, 08:40am

Tam, you are spot on, and not for the first time on these boards smile.gif

Posted by: GG 8th Nov 2011, 09:00am

I've got the 'manifesto' which Occupy Glasgow has produced. As Tam says, the group very much believe that they are acting in the best interests of the majority of ordinary people. They are also keen to stress that they are not a political entity but, rather, a spontaneous protest group driven to highlight and try to counter what they see as the greed and misery in today's society.

In the interests of clarity, I will try and post the full manifesto later...

(Also, just to confirm that all the protesters have – by yesterday – moved from the site on the south-east corner of George Square. The council has now put a metal fence around the former protest site.)

GG.

Posted by: Wendy Davidson 8th Nov 2011, 12:43pm

I, for one, have had enough of these protesters in Kelvingrove Park and they've only been there for less than a week! Why on Earth the council put them there I do not know. They have been given full facilities including power, lighting, toilets, refuse collection, etc, etc.

Their presence is already a blight on a lovely park and I can tell you now that - while out walking the dog - I have heard quite a few people complaining about this rabble. Goodness knows what types they are likely to attract over the coming weeks. I dread to think!

Might be time for a petition to get them out before they have time to settle.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 8th Nov 2011, 01:15pm

QUOTE (Elma @ 8th Nov 2011, 02:34am) *
... The time has come to stop this nonsense all round the world, this kind of action does nothing and personally, I think it is completely unnecessary and wrong ...

The sad thing is Elma that it is neccessary.
The 1% that the 99 percenters refer to really do exist and they're gettin' away with financial murder; the victims being the rest of us.
It was only in the most recent years that Germany's IRS started to clamp down on tax evaders in a big scale and offered rewards for information on firms and individuals with number accounts in Switzerland and Lichtenstein etc. and once the CDs started rolling into the tax office, all the way from Switzerland and Lichtenstein, it was amazing how many sportsmen, media stars and CEOs suddenly volunteered to pay taxes while pleading for amnesty.
I see in today's Financial Times that the USA is now to have client names revealed by Credit Suisse

QUOTE
Credit Suisse to reveal client names to IRS
US authorities to receive customer details in tax probe

But, of course, there are other ways of hiding your billions ...
http://www.capitalconservator.com/offshore-bank-account/offshore-bank-accounts.php

...especially if you're one of the 222 individual billionaires living in America or the 14 in Canada who among them have a combined net worth of over $700 Billion - that's 236 individuals with a combined net worth of more than $700,000,000,000

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/europe/100724/swiss-banking-secrecy-billionaires

QUOTE
... After early stints at Credit Suisse and Barclays Geneva office, Birkenfeld joined UBS in 2001. By then, he had experience enough to know his division was steeped in skirting the law, if not in Switzerland itself, then certainly in the U.S. “Swiss bank secrecy is analogous with criminal conspiracy. That’s how I see it,” he told me.

Credit is due in part to the "Occupy ..." protestors for this outcome :-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/poll/2011/nov/04/thinking-moving-money-credit-union-poll

Unfortunately Elma the people that you're seeing hi-lighted in the media reports, eg the drug addicts and those who crap on the Cathedral's carpets are bums who have nothing to do with those who are keeping the greedy (those who seem to feed of the needy) right up front in the headlines.
More power to them. wink.gif

Posted by: ashfield 8th Nov 2011, 01:39pm

QUOTE (Wendy Davidson @ 8th Nov 2011, 01:09pm) *
Goodness knows what types they are


Human beings I presume, unless you know something different.

Posted by: droschke7 8th Nov 2011, 02:48pm

QUOTE (Wendy Davidson @ 8th Nov 2011, 01:09pm) *
I, for one, have had enough of these protesters in Kelvingrove Park and they've only been there for less than a week! Why on Earth the council put them there I do not know. They have been given full facilities including power, lighting, toilets, refuse collection, etc, etc.

Their presence is already a blight on a lovely park and I can tell you now that - while out walking the dog - I have heard quite a few people complaining about this rabble. Goodness knows what types they are likely to attract over the coming weeks. I dread to think!

Might be time for a petition to get them out before they have time to settle.

Set the dogs on them, it's a public park not a private camping site. I hope these idiots freeze off their extremitries.

Posted by: GG 8th Nov 2011, 06:56pm

Here are the nine points of the 'statement of intent' from the Occupy Glasgow flyer:

  1. "The current system is unsustainable. It is undemocratic and unjust. We need alternatives; this is where we work towards them.
  2. We are of all ethnic backgrounds, genders, generations, sexualities, dis/abilities and faiths. We stand together with occupations all over the world.
  3. We refuse to pay for the banks' crisis.
  4. We do not accept the cuts as either necessary or inevitable. We demand an end to global tax injustice and our democracy representing corporations instead of the people.
  5. We want regulators to be genuinely independent of the industries they regulate.
  6. We support the strike on 30 November and the student action on 9 November, and actions to defend our health services, welfare, education and employment, and to stop wars and arms dealing.
  7. We want structural change towards authentic global equality. The world's resources must go towards caring for people and the planet, not the military, corporate profits or the rich.
  8. We stand in solidarity with the global oppressed and we call for an end to the actions of our government and others in causing this oppression.
  9. This is what democracy looks like. Come and join us!"
The statement adds that: "This is NOT a party political movement, people from all political ideologies are welcome and encouraged, we are in this together."

GG.

Posted by: GG 8th Nov 2011, 07:03pm

Also, see the website below for a list of things that the group need, or ways in which you could help out, if you are inclined to do so.

http://www.occupyglasgow.org/help-out.html

GG.

Posted by: droschke7 8th Nov 2011, 08:08pm

I'd like to win 20 million on the lottery, but that's not going to happen anytime soon either.

Posted by: wombat 8th Nov 2011, 08:56pm

QUOTE
Their presence is already a blight on a lovely park and I can tell you now ,sez wendy

rolleyes.gif thought you wis talking about dog turds fer a minute then wendy? how can other humans be a blight anywhere let alone a public park, get a life smile.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 8th Nov 2011, 11:47pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 8th Nov 2011, 07:34pm) *
I'd like to win 20 million on the lottery, but that's not going to happen anytime soon either

Are you at least buyin' a lottery ticket on the chance that it might? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 9th Nov 2011, 06:52am

QUOTE (GG @ 8th Nov 2011, 07:22pm) *
Here are the nine points of the 'statement of intent' from the Occupy Glasgow flyer:
  1. "The current system is unsustainable. It is undemocratic and unjust. We need alternatives; this is where we work towards them.
  2. We are of all ethnic backgrounds, genders, generations, sexualities, dis/abilities and faiths. We stand together with occupations all over the world.
  3. We refuse to pay for the banks' crisis.
  4. We do not accept the cuts as either necessary or inevitable. We demand an end to global tax injustice and our democracy representing corporations instead of the people.
  5. We want regulators to be genuinely independent of the industries they regulate.
  6. We support the strike on 30 November and the student action on 9 November, and actions to defend our health services, welfare, education and employment, and to stop wars and arms dealing.
  7. We want structural change towards authentic global equality. The world's resources must go towards caring for people and the planet, not the military, corporate profits or the rich.
  8. We stand in solidarity with the global oppressed and we call for an end to the actions of our government and others in causing this oppression.
  9. This is what democracy looks like. Come and join us!"
The statement adds that: "This is NOT a party political movement, people from all political ideologies are welcome and encouraged, we are in this together."

GG.

Admirable targets but unrealistic in the foreseeable future or probably even further, what they are talking about is Utopia or Anarchy (in its true sense of the word).

Posted by: droschke7 9th Nov 2011, 11:31am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 9th Nov 2011, 12:13am) *
Are you at least buyin' a lottery ticket on the chance that it might? rolleyes.gif

What? I have to buy a ticket as well? LOL

Posted by: droschke7 9th Nov 2011, 11:40am

It's all very well these people messing up our parks and cities, criticising the government and listing the problems that are world wide and that everyone knows about, but how about giving us some solutions? It's easy to criticise when your in opposition or (as these people are) have no chance of ever getting in to power. If you don't have a solution yourself then you have no right to criticise others in the same position. That's like someone who only speaks one language criticising others who aren't multilingual.

Posted by: Guest 9th Nov 2011, 11:43am

QUOTE (Wendy Davidson @ 8th Nov 2011, 01:09pm) *
I, for one, have had enough of these protesters in Kelvingrove Park and they've only been there for less than a week! Why on Earth the council put them there I do not know. They have been given full facilities including power, lighting, toilets, refuse collection, etc, etc.

Their presence is already a blight on a lovely park and I can tell you now that - while out walking the dog - I have heard quite a few people complaining about this rabble. Goodness knows what types they are likely to attract over the coming weeks. I dread to think!

Might be time for a petition to get them out before they have time to settle.

IMO, Wendy is entitled to her own opinion. If we all had the same opinion there would be no messageboards as there would be absolutely nothing to discuss.

Posted by: odeonclubboy 9th Nov 2011, 12:20pm

i really dont know enough about this to have an opinion but as someone who once stood oi grosvernor square (london) and threw stones at the american embassy........

Posted by: ashfield 9th Nov 2011, 12:29pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 9th Nov 2011, 12:09pm) *
IMO, Wendy is entitled to her own opinion. If we all had the same opinion there would be no messageboards as there would be absolutely nothing to discuss.

Yes, but it would be good if she, and you for that matter, would join the boards so that a "discussion" could actually take place. It's easy to post opinions anoymously without then having to justify your position.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 9th Nov 2011, 12:45pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 9th Nov 2011, 11:06am) *
... It's easy to criticise when your in opposition or ... have no chance of ever getting in to power.

Two points there Droschke:
1) The opposition is there to criticise (Dictatorships rule that out.)
2) The people who protest can eventually overcome the power (Look at Egypt, Libya and etc..)

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 9th Nov 2011, 12:50pm

QUOTE (Guest @ 9th Nov 2011, 11:09am) *
IMO, Wendy is entitled to her own opinion. If we all had the same opinion there would be no messageboards as there would be absolutely nothing to discuss.

Now that we agree that Wendy's entitled to her opinion can we discuss whether or not it's a valid opinion since that's what discussion boards are for? rolleyes.gif
Over to you. tongue.gif

Posted by: andypisces 9th Nov 2011, 02:40pm

Yes lets ban those folk who mess up our parks. Ban dog walking

Posted by: odeonclubboy 9th Nov 2011, 03:46pm

the great thing about opinion in a democracy is that everyones entitled to one

Posted by: odeonclubboy 9th Nov 2011, 03:50pm

QUOTE (andypisces @ 9th Nov 2011, 02:06pm) *
Yes lets ban those folk who mess up our parks. Ban dog walking

i dont have a dog...does my cat count?

Posted by: ashfield 9th Nov 2011, 07:12pm

QUOTE (odeonclubboy @ 9th Nov 2011, 04:16pm) *
i dont have a dog...does my cat count?

If it does we can get it on "Britains got Talent" laugh.gif

Posted by: odeonclubboy 9th Nov 2011, 07:15pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 9th Nov 2011, 06:38pm) *
If it does we can get it on "Britains got Talent" laugh.gif

Oh my cat is very talented...i dont need an alarm clock she wakes me up every mornig...I WANT MY BREAKFAST!!!

Posted by: Wendy 9th Nov 2011, 08:34pm

Thanks to everyone who replied to or read my comments. I didn't mean to offend anyone with my opinion and I wasn't trying to be nasty to the people at the campsite. I was actually meaning that the place would act as a magnet to the dodgy types who already - unfortunately - sometimes frequent this lovely park! Normally they will drift through and as long as everyone ignores them, then they will simply go away. I've seen quite a few of these types spoil a nice weekend family picnic, which is sad because when the good weather comes there's no better place than a sunny Kelvingrove Park.

I've enjoyed reading through the comments and will update you all if I see any developments on my walks. Reading the opinions has given me a bit of a different perspective on what is happening.

Posted by: Heather 9th Nov 2011, 11:14pm

I think the Council are playing a smart game hiding the protesters away in the Park where not many people will see them. biggrin.gif

Posted by: angel 10th Nov 2011, 01:16am

In Lonton Ontario , the police removed all the tents from the park late last night , Tues. and there was no trouble, also the mayor of Toronto have asked the occupiers to leave, as he says , they have been there long enough , so we shall see what happens now .

Posted by: wombat 10th Nov 2011, 04:10am

QUOTE (Heather @ 9th Nov 2011, 11:40pm) *
I think the Council are playing a smart game hiding the protesters away in the Park where not many people will see them.


rolleyes.gif they could leave their tents and protest during the day heather cool.gif

Posted by: GG 10th Nov 2011, 08:56am


Various footage from Occupy Glasgow from over the past couple of weeks. Posted by 'Occupy Glasgow' on Youtube and promoted via Twitter.

A representative of the group telling what it is all about:


GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 10th Nov 2011, 02:09pm

I for one am very happy that you've posted that Martin.
Certainly shoots down the "Occupation by Druggies" theories that seem to abound.

Posted by: droschke7 10th Nov 2011, 02:40pm

I'm not bigotted or biased against "occupy Glasgow" or any other city, I just think that if these people got out there and worked or served their country, we wouldn't be in the mess we are. These people seem to be professional protestors, how else can they afford to live and eat if all they do is protest.

Their moto seems to be

"Everyone is entitled to my opinion"

LOL

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 10th Nov 2011, 04:09pm

QUOTE
... I just think that if these people got out there and worked ...

(Instead of protesting)

So who should protest against Wall St. & Co.?
Or should no one be protesting at all?
Look at the enormous cost of maintaining "Trident" which will never be used to kill anyone but as a status symbol ...
QUOTE
... Britain's status is what Tony Blair, another committed Christian, emphasises in his autobiography, A Journey.
- "The expense [of Trident] is huge, and the utility in a post-cold war world is less in terms of deterrence, and non-existent in terms of military use", he wrote. Blair said he could see clearly the force of the "common sense and practical argument" against Trident. But in the end he thought giving it up would be "too big a downgrading of our status as a nation"

... but front line nurses are being laid off in their thousands while hospital executives are receiving embarrassingly high salaries (greater than the Prime Minister even who wanted to save Britain's Status Symbol at all cost.)
Remember the Big Bank Bail-outs and the Big Bank Bonuses that followed after your money bailed them out?
Where was your protest then? (A few complaints on GG perhaps?)
Let them protest - and give them support ... even if it's only in saying, "All the best kids. Good luck tae you," because someone needs to protest about the disgracful amount of money that is being taken from the workin' class to support the likes of corporate criminals ... and criminals they are; they're abusing your taxes while your granny canny heat her home again this winter.

Posted by: mlconnelly 10th Nov 2011, 04:20pm

Well said THH. I'm sitting here giving you a standing ovation. Bravo. tongue.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Heather 10th Nov 2011, 04:56pm

I don't see what purpose it serve's sitting in a Park at the other side of the Town.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 10th Nov 2011, 05:56pm

QUOTE (mlconnelly @ 10th Nov 2011, 03:46pm) *
Well said THH. I'm sitting here giving you a standing ovation. Bravo.

You and a few others. (Eh, Melody and Kennedy?) biggrin.gif
I never thought I'd see myself supporting anything that even resembled the meerest hint of a whiff of socialism but ... there you go. rolleyes.gif
If there was an *"Occupy Basel" I'd honestly go over the border and sit it out with them every afternoon. (I'm committed to walking a dog each morning and Mary doesn't care what I do during the day so long as I'm home in time to prepare her evening meal ... she brings home the bacon in our house and it's almost the half of her wages that go in taxes and insurance contributions as a single woman with no kids).
You could say I've seen the light ... Not that one Wee Davy. rolleyes.gif

* There is a group who still haven't got themselves organised into "Occupying" a particular site in Basel.

Posted by: angel 10th Nov 2011, 06:56pm

Maybe it's a good thing Canada gets cold. I think the weather would discourage protestors after a while. The protesters have made their point, now that they have organized and discussed. Maybe it's now time for them to lobby or create an official organization to enact change? .

I have just read this comment in one of our newspapers .

This makes sense to me ,assumming that those occupiers /protesters
are truly more than just squatters .

Posted by: ashfield 10th Nov 2011, 07:23pm

You may be right Angel, but have they made their point? I think all protests go through phases and right now it appears to me that they are at the "awareness raising" stage. What's going on reminds me of what the theatre group, 7:84 did, their name stemming from statistics published in 1966 that showed 7% of the British population held 84% of the wealth. Times may have changed but not enough to change things for those who are at the bottom of the finance ladder.

I am honestly bewildered why anyone would complain about what these young people are trying to do..............excepting those who are getting the ridiculously high salaries and bonuses of course.

Posted by: droschke7 10th Nov 2011, 11:27pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 10th Nov 2011, 06:22pm) *
You and a few others. (Eh, Melody and Kennedy?) biggrin.gif
I never thought I'd see myself supporting anything that even resembled the meerest hint of a whiff of socialism but ... there you go. rolleyes.gif
If there was an *"Occupy Basel" I'd honestly go over the border and sit it out with them every afternoon. (I'm committed to walking a dog each morning and Mary doesn't care what I do during the day so long as I'm home in time to prepare her evening meal ... she brings home the bacon in our house and it's almost the half of her wages that go in taxes and insurance contributions as a single woman with no kids).
You could say I've seen the light ... Not that one Wee Davy. rolleyes.gif

* There is a group who still haven't got themselves organised into "Occupying" a particular site in Basel.

if there were an occupy Basel or an occupy Berlin the water cannons would be out and the Swiss and German Police would be there. Armed, Dangerous and not standing for any crap.

Posted by: angel 10th Nov 2011, 11:42pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 10th Nov 2011, 05:49pm) *
You may be right Angel, but have they made their point? I think all protests go through phases and right now it appears to me that they are at the "awareness raising" stage. What's going on reminds me of what the theatre group, 7:84 did, their name stemming from statistics published in 1966 that showed 7% of the British population held 84% of the wealth. Times may have changed but not enough to change things for those who are at the bottom of the finance ladder.

I am honestly bewildered why anyone would complain about what these young people are trying to do..............excepting those who are getting the ridiculously high salaries and bonuses of course.

Ash , I think that these protestors have now made their point , That being a more balanced distribution of wealth , to those who are financially less fortunate , but I'm not sure what that means . ... if you have 10million dollars and I have 2million ,does this mean that you must share your good fortune with me because I have less , in fact I would be financially deprived , I don't think so ! you worked very hard for your money , and I probably not....Now having said that I do believe that the time for change is long past , the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, thats been the war cry forever . and how to change this whole system is beyond compehension and I don't think that those occupiers will ever achive that , certainly not in a tent .

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Just another snippet......

The Occupy movement, if they see the wisdom of not being defined as violent by resisting demands to leave, can lead in the continuing a fight not against capitalism but for democracy to be the greater value than greed.

And there remains the contradiction of controlling the use of a public space when it's not theirs to control. Our economic system may be broken, but it would appear our democratic institutions remain intact. The occupiers have made their point, and if council asks them to leave and they refuse, it becomes an illegal usurpation. The next step is obvious and unsavoury for all.

If they want that space, then in three years' time they can run for council and turn it into an urban campground if elected.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 10th Nov 2011, 11:45pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th Nov 2011, 10:53pm) *
if there were an occupy Basel or an occupy Berlin the water cannons would be out and the Swiss and German Police would be there. Armed, Dangerous and not standing for any crap.

Not so. The Frankfurt business centre is occupied ... as is Berlin.
Can't imagine any of the Swiss Banks being occupied although I'm not sure about Bern.

Edit.
Yes ... Bern, Zurich (with 1000 protestors) etc.

"Occupy Switzerland"
QUOTE
By lunchtime the trams that snake through the square past the UBS and Credit Suisse Swiss headquarters had been cancelled as the crowd swelled.

http://www.wearechange.org/?p=10105

Posted by: tamhickey 11th Nov 2011, 07:47am

If anyone cares to watch the video that Martin has shared, you will see that there are many groups in society represented at the demonstration. It would appear to me that everyone involved is passionate about helping the least well off in society at the expense of those who could afford to do so. Why should we continue to prop up the banks and Insurance companies at the expense of the poor, low paid, pensioners and the sick as well as the closing down of schools, libraries, community halls worldwide?
The ordinary working man didn't cause this debacle, but he's paying for it and if we don't listen to the millions of voices protesting against it, we are saddling generations with further debt repayments.
Greece is bust, so is Italy, Ireland, Iceland and possibly Spain and Portugal. The USA is only kept afloat due to Chinese bonds. The UK is skint as well, yet all we see are millionaire politicians telling us we are all in this together. Guess who gets hit hardest?
Single parents, and all of the above previously mentioned, ie the poorest sections of society.
Had it not been for these young people highlighting the obvious dichotomy between Government and their people, the rest of us may well have just shrugged our shoulders and allowed it to pass without comment. To me, they have shown that they are not apathetic to politics which young people have been accused of in the past and are standing up for all of us, worldwide.
No-one else is doing this are they?

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 11th Nov 2011, 12:53pm

Well said, Tam. Entirely agree with you. wink.gif

Posted by: GG 13th Nov 2011, 11:02pm

Some photos from Armistice Day in George Square.

GG.














 

Posted by: GG 13th Nov 2011, 11:15pm

And the fence around the grassed square which the Occupy Glasgow protesters were using was either being put back up or coming down – didn't realise which!

GG.


 

Posted by: Heather 13th Nov 2011, 11:24pm

Probably preparing the Square for the Christmas decorations.

Some of the Christmas lights in Baillieston Main Street are up. smile.gif

Posted by: GG 13th Nov 2011, 11:31pm

You might be right, Heather. The area where the anti-greed protesters were (joined by some homeless people) is where the council puts the depiction of the manger scene. I think that's what they call irony ... evicted to make way for baby Jesus!

GG.

Posted by: Scotsman 17th Nov 2011, 12:52pm

Classic!! Those pesky protestors are back again.... tongue.gif

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-15774479

Posted by: bilbo.s 17th Nov 2011, 01:05pm

QUOTE
A Glasgow City Council spokesman said: "We have done everything we can to balance their right to protest with the right of people to enjoy their city."

"It's wrong for a tiny, unrepresentative group to make life difficult for Glaswegians and we urge them to see sense."

Can anyone explain exactly how the protestors are making life difficult for Glaswegians? unsure.gif

Posted by: Scotsman 17th Nov 2011, 06:55pm

Agreed. It is simply ludicrous that a.... ahem.... left-wing council should yet again go out of its way to attack members of a peaceful protest. As far as I ken the Blythswood is not council land so why does this mouthpiece have to stick his big neb in?? If the council has nothing else to do then here is a wee clue for them.... Sauchiehall Street is in a disgraceful state.... any chance of cleaning it up a bit?? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: GG 21st Nov 2011, 09:07am

The following Freedom of Information request has been submitted to Glasgow City Council. The answers (or at least the response) should make interesting reading.

QUOTE
Dear Glasgow City Council,

I would like to request information under the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act, 2002, in response to the below questions. Where there are no specific & relevant documents (such as agreement or plans) to provide information from, information from correspondence relevant to the substance of the question from within Legal, Parks and Public Safety Teams will suffice.

I gather under Section 15 of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act, 2002, that I am entitled to assistance from you in regards to this request for information. I would appreciate warning if any of the below questions will result in excessive cost or other exemptions being applied so that I might rephrase them to be more suitable.

Yours sincerely,

Henry Sullivan

-Questions-

Q.1 What were the legal grounds on which the City Council presented to the Glasgow Sheriff Court to evict the Occupy Protesters from George Square?

Q.2 What are the terms of the agreement between the City Council and the Occupy Glasgow protesters formerly in George Square that resulted in their relocation to Kelvingrove Park?

Q.3 What alternative sites to George Square were offered to the Occupy Glasgow protesters before their relocation to Kelvingrove Park?

Q.4 Before the relocation, what amenities (e.g. food, water, fencing, portaloos, pallets etc.) and Council services (e.g. relocation support in terms of organisation and moving of equipment
and personal belongings, bin allocation & collection etc.) were offered by the City Council to the protesters at each sites offered (including Kelvingrove Park)?

Q.5 What amenities and services have the City Council provided to date to the Occupy Glasgow protesters now situated in Kelvingrove Park, either directly or through contractors?

Q.6 How much have these amenities and services cost in terms of equipment rental / purchase and staff overtime?

Q.7 What limits, if any, on the camp site have you informed the protesters of in regards to;
a) numbers of protesters
b) physical boundaries
c) behaviour
d) duration

Q.8 Does the City Council monitor the number of people and animals (both pets & livestock) within the protesters’ campsite?

Q.9 If the City Council has monitored the campsite, how often has done so?

Q.10 When will the current arrangements be reviewed by the City
Council & who will undertake it?

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/occupy_glasgow_protesters_in_kel#incoming-226651

GG.

Posted by: GG 27th Nov 2011, 10:42pm

Edinburgh City Council have backed their 'Occupy Edinburgh' protesters:

QUOTE
"Edinburgh city council has set a worldwide precedent by voting in favour of the motion to support the aims and sentiments of Occupy Edinburgh and the Occupy Movement as a whole.

With this historic decision, Edinburgh City Council is setting an example in local administration, as well as sending a message to the governments in both Holyrood and Westminster."

In response, Occupy Edinburgh issued a press statement:
QUOTE
"We are pleased to announce that Edinburgh City Council has set a worldwide precedent by voting in favour of the motion to support the aims and sentiments of Occupy Edinburgh and the aims of the Occupy Movements as a whole. This motion was presented by the Scottish Green Party, was seconded by the Scottish Labour Party and was slightly amended by the SNP and LibDems. The only party not to back the motion was the Conservatives.

We regard this as a fantastic step forward in the opening of dialogue with the Scottish government. With this historic decision, Edinburgh City Council are setting an example in local administration, as well as sending a message to the governments in both Holyrood and Westminster. They have shown willingness for open dialogue and respect alongside a fundamental commitment to the concerns of the people they are elected to represent. The current systems for economy and resource distribution are grossly outdated, and as the people educate themselves we begin to demand changes. Symptoms such as the “austerity/bailout” response of our government only serves to solidify the attitude of cynicism toward our current economic system, which has already moved far into general acceptance. Local Councils are the first step in the re-population of democracy, and should be following the example of Scotland’s capital by aligning themselves to a grassroots paradigm that places people and community before profit and unsustainable growth."

Not everyone was pleased, however, and the Spectator asked what is surely the dumbest question ever asked regarding local government in Scotland:

Edinburgh: The Dumbest Council in Britain?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/7424674/the-dumbest-council-in-britain.thtml

QUOTE
... Camp and protest to your heart's content and that's all fine and dandy, but the idea that this is a movement of the people whose views must be heard is laughable and it is typical of Edinburgh council, as mediocre a group as has ever mismanaged the city, to concern itself with such matters and elevate this inchoate protest movement to something it ain't and never will be. And since these people require no encouragement anyway there's no need to offer them any.

GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 27th Nov 2011, 11:27pm

QUOTE
... They have shown willingness for open dialogue and respect alongside a fundamental commitment to the concerns of the people they are elected to represent.

At last. smile.gif

QUOTE
The only party not to back the motion was the Conservatives.

As if. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Scotsman 28th Nov 2011, 02:08pm

Any words on whether the protestors have been turfed out of Blythswood or not?? Last time I heard I think they had the gates locked on them and were awaiting the bailiffs to come knocking at any moment!!

Posted by: GG 8th Dec 2011, 12:23am

Sorry, Scotsman, I have not had time to go to Blythswood Square to check on the Occupy Glasgow protesters, but will try soon as I can and let you know.

Related to this subject, there was a comment article in the Scotsman yesterday by a professor of applied philosophy. I honestly don't know if this academic is 'at the wind up' or if he genuinely is unaware of the widespread and pernicious effect of inequality in society.

QUOTE
... Some particular instances of inequality are wrong such as those that arise, say, from theft or fraud, but there is no convincing reason for condemning inequality as such. The protest campers do not indicate with sufficient clarity what particular sorts of inequality they disapprove of and why they disapprove of it. ...

Occupy camp is on shaky ground
http://www.scotsman.com/news/cartoon/hugh_mclachlan_occupy_camp_is_on_shaky_ground_1_1991543

GG.

Posted by: GG 12th Dec 2011, 08:51am

QUOTE (Scotsman @ 28th Nov 2011, 01:27pm) *
Any words on whether the protestors have been turfed out of Blythswood or not?? Last time I heard I think they had the gates locked on them and were awaiting the bailiffs to come knocking at any moment!!

Occupy Glasgow protesters have gone from Blythswood Square, and as of this week they have also vacated their camp at Kelvingrove. I think Thursday's hurricane, which caused considerable damage to the Kelvingrove campsite, has convinced them to pack-up for the winter.

A spokeswoman for the Occupy movement said:
QUOTE
"During our general assembly on Saturday we decided to close our Kelvingrove Park site down for the winter. But it is not the end of Occupy Glasgow. We've talked about finding a more suitable site indoors, but nothing has been found yet."

One protester, a local housewife, added:
QUOTE
"This is the first time I've done anything like this in my life, but I just felt so strongly about the way people are being treated in this country that I had to come out and try and do something about it.

We need to keep fighting."

A less-than magnanimous council spokesman greeted the news with:
QUOTE
"We have all said it is wrong for a tiny unrepresented group to make life difficult for Glaswegians and we have been urging them to see sense. So it is helpful if they are finally doing that."

GG.

Posted by: GG 19th Dec 2011, 07:59pm

While the http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=17523&view=findpost&p=3563251 just to see the Occupy Glasgow protesters go, the Sunday Post this week appeared to claim with some pride that it was their article which forced the anti-greed protesters in Kelvingrove Park to abandon their site. An article in the Dundee-based publication boasted:

QUOTE
Protesters abandon camp after our report

Protesters who had turned one of Scotland's most famous parks into a "bombsite" abandoned their camp the day the story was highlighted in The Sunday Post.

Last Sunday, we reported that angry locals living near Kelvingrove Park in Glasgow had concerns about the [alleged] mess being created by Occupy Glasgow protesters.

And how Friends of kelvingrove – the charity which claims to try to maintain and enhance the park – bizzarely gave the unkempt camp the thunbs up.

On the day we published, the protesters packed up mand abandoned their tents after less than eight weeks [after being forced to re-locate from George Square]. ...

The article then went on to report quotes from park dog walkers who were unhappy about the protest camp interfering with their dog-walking activities.

GG.

Posted by: GG 19th Dec 2011, 08:07pm

Again, it is the protesters who show tolerence, understanding and respect... the following is an open letter to 'Kelvingrove area residents', taken from the Occupy Glasgow website:

QUOTE
Dear Kelvingrove area residents,

Glasgow Occupy would like to thank you for your support and patience during our stay.

We appreciate all the kind words from so many of you, and generous donations which were made to us here at our camp. It is with sadness and regret that we voted on Saturday 10th December 2011, to end our occupation in Kelvingrove Park. As we are sure will be understood, unusual weather conditions have ultimately been to blame for this, and the mud quite unrelenting.

There have been press articles, notably on Sunday, which would have you believe Occupy Glasgow abandoned the site and all the belongings therein. We assure you that any suggestion that we are just leaving a mess for the Council to deal with is quite incorrect – we are clearing up the site ourselves, albeit not as quickly as a council team probably could. This is because, as responsible people, we want to go through our things, and recycle and re-use the materials where possible, rather than have them go unnecessarily to landfill. We have spoken with Glasgow City Council Cleansing Department, who have agreed to work with us to remove waste as and when we put it out for collection.

We have learned a great deal regarding our own resource and disposal management, and future Occupy camps in Glasgow will make use of that knowledge in order to minimise potential environmental damage. If given permission by Glasgow City Council, at a suitable date we plan to repair the park area used during our occupation.

Occupy Glasgow as part of a worldwide movement will continue in its work. Meanwhile, again, we thank you for your support and patience.

We wish everyone a happy Festive season and look forward to a productive New Year for all!

Kind regards,

Occupy Glasgow Kelvingrove.

GG.

Posted by: ashfield 19th Dec 2011, 08:09pm

Jings, crivvens, help ma Boab. I wondered who the Sunday Post reader was and now you've revealed yourself GG tongue.gif

I gave up reading this "paper" in the "reds under the bed" days but it did teach me a valuable lesson about not believing everything (or in some cases anything) you read in the papers mellow.gif

Posted by: GG 19th Dec 2011, 08:12pm

smile.gif Ashfield, would you believe that it was left in the newspaper rack of a pub which I happened to visit yesterday, and I was therefore able to take the story from that discarded copy?

GG.

Posted by: ashfield 19th Dec 2011, 08:30pm

Of course I would believe you rolleyes.gif

And the pub makes sense too, I would need a strong drink before opening the pages of TSP as well laugh.gif

Posted by: GG 19th Dec 2011, 09:19pm

Mee too! smile.gif

Here's another story related to the Occupy Glasgow protesters (in the general sense) from the 'pub newspaper rack', this time yesterday's Sunday Express:

QUOTE
Today children, the class will be learning how to protest

Waving placards demanding change and marching for issues they believe in, they resemble any of the protesters who have attended this year's mass demonstrations.

But standing just three or four feet tall, and some only three years old, these young campaigners are hardly the anarchists who brought chaos to London. Instead, the mini-protesters are part of a controversial art class designed to give children a taste of what it is like to take part in a real-life demo.

For the past two months, including last Saturday morning, the Glasgow Gallery of Modern Art (GoMA) has held regular workshops that allow the youngsters to "create their own protest artwork". ...

So, you've got a situation where the council is condeming protesters as "wrong" at every opportunity, then Glasgow Life, the council's leisure "quango" (Sunday Express term), goes out of its way to teach future protesters how to protest ... all at public expense!

Commenting on the 'protest classes' at the GOMA in Royal Exchange Square, one father, who asked not to be named, told the Sunday Express:

QUOTE
"My daughter had a great time making placards and writing slogans on them, before marching up and down the museum, but I did wonder whether it was right to be encouraging children to protest.

In the current climate, with all the cutbacks, some people seem to make a habit of going on a rally about this, that or the other "In the current climate, with all the cutbacks, some people seem to make a habit of going on a rally about this, that or the other almost every weekend.

But that doesn't mean a taxpayer-funded museum should be telling our children that protests are great fun. After all, "But that doesn't mean a taxpayer-funded museum should be telling our children that protests are great fun. After all, protesters are not always in the right, and protest marches have often been known to turn violent."

Only in Glasgow! You've got to hand it to Glasgow Life for apparently not listening to the council, and giving local children the opportunity to express themselves in protest!

Among the placards created by the kids – who then marched round the gallery with them –"More Lego, more play!" and "Less work, more pancakes!"

GG.

Posted by: mlconnelly 19th Dec 2011, 11:08pm

"More Lego, more play!" and "Less work, more pancakes!"

Brilliant. Get rid of all the councilors and give the kids all the power.

Love Lego but love pancakes even more.

Go kids,

Mary laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 19th Dec 2011, 11:14pm

QUOTE
The article then went on to report quotes from park dog walkers who were unhappy about the protest camp interfering with their dog-walking activities.

Being a dog walker myself wink.gif I can fully sympathise with these poor people whose daily routine has been so drastically disrupted by the inconsiderate actions of a dedicated few representing the 99% of the population who are systematically ripped off by Wall Street and it's siblings.
There is absolutely nothing in this world which is more inconvenient than being unable to walk your dog in the park. rolleyes.gif
That's why I take Bonnie up onto the mountain tongue.gif

Posted by: dondon 6th Jan 2012, 08:52pm

I am also a dog walker but these protestors could in no way be representing the 99% of anything. I for one just wish they would go get a job and pay tax and then they would actually be helping others instead of living off the finance of others.

How long have all these people been in situ across the globe and yet to date they have failed miserably to come up with any viable idea of how to remedy the situation. All they ever repeat is it's all the bankers fault. Well give us a remedy instead of the same old story.

Give the parks back to the canine dogs

Posted by: angel 7th Jan 2012, 05:25am



I thought these little snippets , might possibly be of interest .....


Although Occupy Toronto's encampment has been gone for a month, occupiers were continuing to meet every day and have held a number of marches to try to build awareness of their social-justice cause, Ms. Wolscht said.

After the eviction operation ended, St. James Park was left a muddy, sodden mess, but it was restored at no cost to the city after Landscape Ontario and the Nursery Sod Growers of Ontario donated 12 tractortrailer loads of sod and free installation.

About 30 truckloads of waste were removed from the park during the eviction operation, city staff confirmed.

The five-week Occupy Toronto encampment cost taxpayers $714,000, mostly for policing, the city revealed Friday.

The rest of the costs pertained to various city divisions: parks, forestry and recreation ($8,181.81); solid waste management ($5,075.41); Toronto Fire ($1,171.82); Toronto EMS ($36,909.97); and shelter, support and housing administration ($1,208.58).




Posted by: angel 7th Jan 2012, 05:58am

Athough the sodding of the downtown park was no cost to the taxpayer
the actual estimated cost was around sixty thousand dollars .

Posted by: tamhickey 7th Jan 2012, 06:11am

Most of the protesters are in work, and for some, the reason they challenge the mess this world is in is that many could find themselves out of work anytime soon. They not only challenge the banks, but Governments around the world who have mortgaged all of us to the hilt by re-financing the same people who caused this mess at the expense of people everywhere. We get humped whilst the financial services industry are allowed to continue to gamble in the financial world of a casino with our money! You couldn't make it up.
We need the voices of protest to make us sit up and take notice otherwise we just swallow everything the media tell us and just take it. If I was able, I would join the protesters because I believe they have a just cause. As for the answer, well, why not start by closing tax loopholes to the extortionately rich, believed to cost this country 25 billion a year rather than the disgusting populism of cutting the benefit bill. It seems that we have a millionaire Cabinet in charge of our country who are intent on enriching themselves even further. These people have done nothing other than University and Politics. Same goes for all of the Parties. None of them have a clue about real life.
So maybe you can see why people get pissed off. Good luck to the protesters for they act on all of our behalf.

Posted by: dondon 8th Jan 2012, 01:34am

So they are all in work, are they taking extended leave for these protests. How do you know the majority are in work if they are camped out in these camps for weeks on end.
You don't need to believe anything the media tells you, nor do we have to accept the claim the majority of these campers are in work while being on these protests for weeks on end.
Or maybe you give credence to the claims that no one was actually camping out and that they all went home at night.
Maybe the young girl wasn't sexually assaulted, maybe no one on these protests indulges in alcohol or drug participation, maybe the cow did jump over the moon but then not everyone will believe the claim the majority are in work while they camped out and cost the taxpayer a fortune.
These people have no idea of how to run the economy, they are similar to yourself, they condemn everyone they want to blame but never ever come up with an uterior method of living.
The media that tell us all the lies, I guess it must be the bad media while the good media tells us these people are all grafters.
I don't know about you but stopping the spongers getting thousands of pounds a week in rent for mansions should be applauded by these protestors who condemn the bankers waste of money. People on the dole getting benefits in excess of 100,000 a year for doing nothing is a tad OTT in my book. The fact the majority of these claimants are foreign shows the system is completely wrong. Why is it wrong for bankers to waste money but okay for scroungers and parasites to come here and get 5 times the average wage in benefits for doing nothing. They could at least join the camps but then why do that when others are daft enough to sit in the cold and rain supporting a system built for scroungers.
The poor people so abused by the tories are now limited to 20,000 a year of taxpayer's money for their rent, that's 400 a week and yet the defenders of the parasites are claiming ethnic cleansing. Well I for one will be happy to see the end of the abuse. Maybe you believe these poor people will be sleeping in the street, chance would be a fine thing, remember one thing, at least the bankers did some work for their money, the scroungers you give support to have no intention of doing any work, a bit like the camp protestors but they won't sleep in tents, they just want to continue their luxury existence on the taxpayer.
I have no sympathy for the campers and even less for the scroungers who will have to move to cheaper abodes. Let them try working and paying their way, they might discover just how tough life is for THE MAJORITY. These spongers in their tents speak for no one and have no idea about real life.
And to finish, try checking out the facts about these campers having no proper accounts from thousands of pounds in donations, was it drink or drugs it was spent on. Amazing, these people decry the bankers but made their money vanish with no accounts. Are these people with a different choice for life seers or just chancers, the odds are shortening on the latter.

Posted by: angel 8th Jan 2012, 04:42am

Tam , from the bits and pieces that I read about the occupiers and their cause , it would take nothing short of a revolution to achieve their objective and I would'nt think that they could muster a revolution sitting in a tent in some park, or do they think that other's will do the job for them,
this whole business seems to me to be nothing short of an excercise in futility , I think that they should all go back to "their jobs " and come up
with a plan that has a chance of being , "maybe viable".

Posted by: Mathieson 9th Jan 2012, 07:40pm

QUOTE (tamhickey @ 7th Jan 2012, 06:27am) *
Most of the protesters are in work,

Now that I very much doubt. mellow.gif

Posted by: droschke7 10th Jan 2012, 08:56am

QUOTE (tamhickey @ 7th Jan 2012, 06:27am) *
Most of the protesters are in work,

what kind of job can you get 5 or 6 weeks (maybe more) time off to go and protest?

Posted by: irrie 10th Jan 2012, 09:04am

An MP .

Posted by: Heather 11th Jan 2012, 05:27pm

Or a Teacher.

I never saw the point of a protest by sitting in a Park away at the other side of Glasgow. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: GG 14th Jan 2012, 02:41pm

Glasgow City Council's has rersponded to the following FOI request:

QUOTE
Q.1 What were the legal grounds on which the City Council presented to the Glasgow Sheriff Court to evict the Occupy Protesters from George Square?

Q.2 What are the terms of the agreement between the City Council and the Occupy Glasgow protesters formerly in George Square that resulted in their relocation to Kelvingrove Park?

Q.3 What alternative sites to George Square were offered to the Occupy Glasgow protesters before their relocation to Kelvingrove Park?

Q.4 Before the relocation, what amenities (e.g. food, water, fencing, portaloos, pallets etc.) and Council services (e.g. relocation support in terms of organisation and moving of equipment and personal belongings, bin allocation & collection etc.) were offered by the City Council to the protesters at each sites offered (including Kelvingrove Park)?

Q.5 What amenities and services have the City Council provided to date to the Occupy Glasgow protesters now situated in Kelvingrove Park, either directly or through contractors?

Q.6 How much have these amenities and services cost in terms of equipment rental / purchase and staff overtime?

Q.7 What limits, if any, on the camp site have you informed the protesters of in regards to;
a) numbers of protesters
b) physical boundaries
c) behaviour
d) duration

Q.8 Does the City Council monitor the number of people and animals (both pets & livestock) within the protesters’ campsite?

Q.9 If the City Council has monitored the campsite, how often has done so?

Q.10 When will the current arrangements be reviewed by the City Council & who will undertake it?

Response here:
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/92880/response/235219/attach/html/3/121211%20Sullivan%20Response%20Letter.doc.html

GG.

Posted by: Weslley 21st Mar 2012, 04:06pm

I think it is ridiculous that people can suggest on here that the Occupy group took action for any other reason than to facilitate the change of a system which is obviously not working. We did it for the greater good, not to line our own pockets!