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Kemedian Posted Y'day, 09:41pm
 
QUOTE (DannyH @ 16th Nov 2019, 10:57am) *
You obviously are aware that you and I can’t keep going on and on with our exchanges if for no other reason that it would be very time consuming.

I can't agree with a word you write, nevertheless your immense life experience and your well earned perspective is an invaluable resource to younger generations like mine.

We don't get to hear enough stories like yours, usually because you guys don't talk about it for good reason. But on here you are emboldened to do so, and so you should.

So thanks, Danny.
wombat Posted Y'day, 07:29pm
  wink.gif

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DannyH Posted Y'day, 10:57am
 
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 16th Nov 2019, 01:39am) *
This must be the Nighthawks' Edition :unsure:
(It's 2am and I've just come back from walking the dog on his midnight runaround)

Things changed when conscription ended, Danny: the world moved on: a 2 year initial contract was signed prior to `square bashing' and was extended after trade training to three on being posted to one's squadron with the option of 5 (desired) after ataing the rank of senior aircraftsman (SAC). These were not long term engageements.
National Servive billets and modern day quarters are worlds apart and bore no resemblance to your memories.
I'm not tryting to tell you anything about what other drivers do regarding the Highway Code. I only pointed out what the law requires.
Your opinions on Macron or NATO are just that, your opinion: I'm not trying to tell you anything.
My opinion, for what that is worth, is that thre EU 's CSDP will account for the defence of Europe as such. The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation will do what NATO does as the treaty demands or legislates.
Let's not say `50 years from now' since that is worthless speculation.
Britain will leave the EU to all intent and purpose and speculation about Scotland being over run by foreign nationals is a racist comment by today's standards: do you know that there are more than 10 million Campbells living worldwide? There aree more people of Scottish heritage living worldwide than thee population of Great Britain including all of its foreign nationals.
Britain's contribution to the EU defence can only be measured against its depleted Army, Navy and Airforce, as you must be aware. The EU will not fall beecause of Brexit. Gaps will have to be filled and they will be. The UK may be missed, for a while, but the world keeps turning and life goes on.
Any way, once Scotland gets her way and becomes a member state of the European Union, Macron will put on a big party Vive L'Ecosse remember The Auld Alliancee.



Hello Tomi

Thank you for your well thought out reply. Let me start by saying that I think you and I would have got on well together if we had ever made contact with each other.

You obviously are aware that you and I can’t keep going on and on with our exchanges if for no other reason that it would be very time consuming. So I will just concentrate on your comment regarding the number of people living abroad who have Scottish ancestry, because that supports my argument. You are agreeing with my forecast!!!

This is exactly my concern regarding the long term future of Scotland. If we go back to 1492 when Columbus ‘discovered’ America, that was only a blink of an eye away in terms of the millions of years which have passed since this planet came into being.

So in that small time frame of approximately 500 years, look at what we Europeans have done to the indigenous people throughout the world. My argument is that if we live in a Europe where there are no border controls regarding the movement of people, then history will repeat itself. That is, we the ‘indigenous’ people of Scotland will be the minority.

You claim that 50 years from now is worthless speculation. Well my response to that is, if you haven’t learned anything from the past history of the world, then I have. You and I will be long gone by that time. I just hope some history student will stumble across our posts 50 years from now, and says, “You know what, that old beggar was right”. I wonder which one of us he/she will be referring to?

One of the things which get to me is that the term ‘racist’ is used against people like me. This is a cheap jibe. An easy way out of having a reasoned debate. This forum lacks proper debate because from the time the result of the EU referendum was announced, a few people on here have taken over the topic and woe betide anyone who wants to leave the EU. I do not include you as being a member of that gang, although I do acknowledge that you think I am a racist.

I lived in a multi cultural society in Canada as a youngster during World War 2. Our neighbours to one side were Serbian and Polish on the other. The school I attended had children whose parents came from all over Europe. There was only one true Canadian in the school. Sadly, wee Claude Vardy was killed in Korea. In short, I lived in a multi cultural country which had controlled immigration. There was just one thing missing. The indigenous population had no say in who could or could not come into ‘their ‘ country. Funny old world, isn’t it?

Regards

Danny
carmella Posted Y'day, 08:49am
  I wonder what Tommy Kennedy would have made of all of this. I wish he was still around, would have been interesting.
TeeHeeHee Posted Y'day, 08:42am
 
QUOTE (wombat @ 15th Nov 2019, 08:43am) *
NAW laugh.gif



laugh.gif Wom, ye huv a way of expressin' yersel' succunctly laugh.gif

That aul' Tommy Kennedy brocht ye up weel tongue.gif
TeeHeeHee Posted Y'day, 01:39am
  This must be the Nighthawks' Edition unsure.gif
(It's 2am and I've just come back from walking the dog on his midnight runaround)

Things changed when conscription ended, Danny: the world moved on: a 2 year initial contract was signed prior to `square bashing' and was extended after trade training to three on being posted to one's squadron with the option of 5 (desired) after ataing the rank of senior aircraftsman (SAC). These were not long term engageements.
National Servive billets and modern day quarters are worlds apart and bore no resemblance to your memories.
I'm not tryting to tell you anything about what other drivers do regarding the Highway Code. I only pointed out what the law requires.
Your opinions on Macron or NATO are just that, your opinion: I'm not trying to tell you anything.
My opinion, for what that is worth, is that thre EU 's CSDP will account for the defence of Europe as such. The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation will do what NATO does as the treaty demands or legislates.
Let's not say `50 years from now' since that is worthless speculation.
Britain will leave the EU to all intent and purpose and speculation about Scotland being over run by foreign nationals is a racist comment by today's standards: do you know that there are more than 10 million Campbells living worldwide? There aree more people of Scottish heritage living worldwide than thee population of Great Britain including all of its foreign nationals.
Britain's contribution to the EU defence can only be measured against its depleted Army, Navy and Airforce, as you must be aware. The EU will not fall beecause of Brexit. Gaps will have to be filled and they will be. The UK may be missed, for a while, but the world keeps turning and life goes on.
Any way, once Scotland gets her way and becomes a member state of the European Union, Macron will put on a big party Vive L'Ecosse remember The Auld Alliancee.
DannyH Posted Y'day, 12:17am
 
QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 15th Nov 2019, 11:27pm) *
Danny, to avoid misunderstanding ( :rolleyes: ) I will address your post in its segment parts.

A) Correct.

B) False. Periods are 3, 5, 9, 12, and 22 years. Mine was 9 reuced to 5 (+4 reserve)

C) False. Station Standing Ordeers are to be read in Station Headquarters on arrival, before performing duties as reequired by the Station Warrant Officer (commonly known as SWO's Working Party) or on request.
Squadron Standing Orders are to be read in the Skipper's Office or on the Crew Room Notice Board (if interested).

D) Wrong on two counts. The CSDP is unlike the Highway Code (which UK law requires to be regularly read to aquaint with updated changes) and is read ( at least by Defence Ministers and Defence Chiefs of member states (including member states not affected).

E) Macron, who supports the CSDP, in his interview with The Economist wherein he mentioned conscription lends confirmation of the point I made that conscription is down to each of the member states. It is not my CSDP but that of the European Union and although you may pay as much attention to it as you do to the Highway Code there is a greater number who do; on both counts.

Summary

It would appear that you are wrong on all but one, obvious, point which, if I may be allowed to assume, is due simply to a sad lack of knowledge. :(

Hi TeeHee

Thank you for your civil response to my post.

I have to disagree with you regarding your length of service, purely based on my experience during National Service. As you know National Service was for two years. Signing on for three years was known as a short term commitment. Anything longer than that was considered to be long term. So as you did five years, we have to agree to disagree on that one.

Now we get to Standing Orders. In Berlin where I was stationed, Standing Orders were pinned permanently to the notice board. Daily orders were also posted there, but obviously as the title suggests, they were changed daily.

Now your comment regarding the Highway Code has me wondering; are you trying to tell me that most drivers keep up to date with the Highway Code?

Regarding Macron, are you trying to tell me that this is not the thin edge of the wedge? He realises, as I am sure you do, that the EU cannot go on relying on NATO to maintain a defence force against the perceived threat from Russia. Sure, for the next ten years or so, EU countries will have their own armed forces. However, with the passage of time, let’s say 50 years from now, if the UK stays in the EU, the number of EU citizens living in the UK will outnumber the population of Scotland, so it is inevitable that an EU army will be created.

Most of the political talk has been about Trade, when it comes to Brexit. Very little has been said about the contribution the UK makes to the defence budget of the EU. Macron must be well aware of this, hence his warning that the EU has to get its act together soon

Regards

Danny
TeeHeeHee Posted 15th Nov 2019, 11:27pm
 
QUOTE (DannyH @ 13th Nov 2019, 10:43pm) *
TeeHee

A) I am making the following post on the assumption your post is levelled at me ...


B) You obviously were in the RAF for a long period ..

.
C) Your mention of the Common Security and Defence Policy indicates to me that you have been used to reading Standing Orders on your barracks room walls for years ...


D) The CSDP you quote is like the Highway Code. Who bothers about it after they have passed their driving test? ...


E) My post regarding conscription was made after reading an interview given by President Macron of France to The Economist. He is a politician, with more attention being paid to than your CSDP.




Danny


Danny, to avoid misunderstanding ( rolleyes.gif ) I will address your post in its segment parts.

A) Correct.

B) False. Periods are 3, 5, 9, 12, and 22 years. Mine was 9 reuced to 5 (+4 reserve)

C) False. Station Standing Ordeers are to be read in Station Headquarters on arrival, before performing duties as reequired by the Station Warrant Officer (commonly known as SWO's Working Party) or on request.
Squadron Standing Orders are to be read in the Skipper's Office or on the Crew Room Notice Board (if interested).

D) Wrong on two counts. The CSDP is unlike the Highway Code (which UK law requires to be regularly read to aquaint with updated changes) and is read ( at least by Defence Ministers and Defence Chiefs of member states (including member states not affected).

E) Macron, who supports the CSDP, in his interview with The Economist wherein he mentioned conscription lends confirmation of the point I made that conscription is down to each of the member states. It is not my CSDP but that of the European Union and although you may pay as much attention to it as you do to the Highway Code there is a greater number who do; on both counts.

Summary

It would appear that you are wrong on all but one, obvious, point which, if I may be allowed to assume, is due simply to a sad lack of knowledge. sad.gif
JAGZ1876 Posted 15th Nov 2019, 08:24pm
  So here we have it folks, the real reason for ripping us out of the EU according to the Tory Brexit Secretary Steve Barclay, helping English football.

https://twitter.com/stevebarclay/status/1194966699621208064

I'm sure the 38% who voted for separation here will be delighted.

Well DJ will no doubt. wink.gif
JAGZ1876 Posted 15th Nov 2019, 11:16am
 
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 15th Nov 2019, 09:48am) *
Nice to see you're still around, Martin. Where were you when others, including myself, were being insulted? I honestly thought you had given up monitoring the site.


Totally agree, but it's nice to have Martin back again.
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