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> Scottish Independence, About voting yes/no
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wee davy
post 8th Jan 2013, 05:58pm
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Dear Friends

I think a new Topic might do us all a world of good.

To kick off.
It is of course impossible to seperate your politics from such a discussion, without using your colours to form your argument. But it IS possible to refrain from allowing your beliefs to cloud the issue.

It is without a doubt, a MASSIVE decision - not just for Scotland - but for the whole of the UK.
One very contentious thing, is nuclear (having recently been discussed on other similar Topics).
But there are SO many more.

Brothers and Sisters, Mothers and Fathers, whole FAMILIES will be affected by it, on both sides of the divide.

The argument, in my humble opinion, hasn't even BEGUN yet.
Until those who OPPOSE independence give their reasoned arguments for remaining unified with a Westminster Government who certainly for MY lifetime, and historically, has always favoured the South of the 'UK', there is a real danger, apathy will win YET AGAIN.
Over 300 years ago, a significant, well to do lot, in Scotland, sold the country down the river. You now have a chance to reverse that. DEMOCRATICALLY.

What about family businesses in direct competion with each other - fighting for the same contract

My dear fellow GG'rs.

What is said on this forum, DOES have a certain amount of weight.
It is read by a whole HOARD of people (probably even those who are closer to the important and crucial decision).

I think we can do this, with the minimum of acrimony, bitterness, or even self beliefs.

There is MUCH to be discussed, before your vote, NEXT YEAR - NOW is the time for everyone to fight their corner. For all I know, to remain unified, may just be the right result. But would it be conceivable for Canada to become the 51st State?

adversus solem ne loquitor

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post 9th Jan 2013, 02:40pm
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thought I would add this to the pot .

2011 International Aid Donated (Official Development Assistance) COUNTRY For each $100 earned in the country, how much is donated in aid Aid as % of income How close the country is to reaching the 0.7% goal
Sweden 102 cents 1.02 Already reached goal
Norway 100 cents 1.00 Already reached goal
Luxembourg 99 cents 0.99 Already reached goal
Denmark 86 cents 0.86 Already reached goal
Netherlands 75 cents 0.75 Already reached goal
United Kingdom 56 cents 0.56 Scheduled to reach in 2013
Belgium 53 cents 0.53 Scheduled to reach in 2015
Finland 52 cents 0.52 Scheduled to reach in 2015
Ireland 52 cents 0.52 Scheduled to reach in 2015
France 46 cents 0.46 Scheduled to reach in 2015
Switzerland 46 cents 0.46 No schedule yet
Germany 40 cents 0.40 Scheduled to reach in 2015

Why the 0.7% Agreement?
The countries made this agreement because they realized that it was hard for each country on its own to give a consistent, minimum level of aid each year. Despite good intentions, a country would find that the aid it wanted to give was eaten away by competing political interests, concern about budget deficits, “problems at home,” “problems abroad,” and so on. So they agreed to a minimal, flat rate that each country could afford each year regardless of its current political or economic state.

The 0.7% figure may sound complicated, but it is actually quite simple. You take the total income earned by all the people in the country and then the government gives 0.7% (seven tenths of one percent) of that as aid. Or to look at it another way: for every $100 earned in the country, the country gives 70 cents in aid.

How are the countries doing?
As the chart above shows, five countries have already met the goal to give 0.7% of their income in international aid: Denmark, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, and Sweden.

In 2002 and 2003, five other countries set up a schedule to give 0.7%: Belgium, Ireland, Finland, France, and Spain.

In July 2004, the United Kingdom set up a schedule to give 0.7%.

In April 2005, Germany set up a schedule to give 0.7%.

In May 2005, Austria, Greece, Italy, and Portugal set up a schedule to give 0.7%.

It was not easy for many of the countries to set up a schedule to reach the 0.7% goal. In some cases, such as Britain and Germany, it took the combined effort of many thousands of citizens writing and petitioning their government to get it done.

It's about 22 countries in all who give international aid to poorer
countries .

donate to your local food bank .
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- wee davy   Scottish Independence   8th Jan 2013, 05:58pm
- - angel   Well Davy , whether or no you find this a satisfac...   8th Jan 2013, 07:03pm
- - wee davy   Hi angel First of all, thanks a lot for responding...   8th Jan 2013, 11:24pm
- - angel   So,... after reading what you could, would you car...   9th Jan 2013, 02:09am
- - Dave Grieve   There are numerous good reasons to stay with the U...   9th Jan 2013, 07:37am
- - JAGZ1876   A big hand for the comedy stylings of Mr Dave Grie...   9th Jan 2013, 11:44am
- - wee davy   Thanks for that Dave - I was beginning to think I ...   9th Jan 2013, 12:24pm
- - john.mcn   An independent Scotland wont need to spend hundred...   9th Jan 2013, 01:34pm
- - Dylan   "You may be unaware Angel but certain area...   9th Jan 2013, 02:32pm
|- - JAGZ1876   QUOTE (Dylan @ 9th Jan 2013, 02:49pm) The...   9th Jan 2013, 07:59pm
|- - john.mcn   QUOTE (angel @ 9th Jan 2013, 02:57pm) tho...   9th Jan 2013, 08:58pm
- - angel   Hi Dylan , I am aware of the food banks , and I do...   9th Jan 2013, 02:51pm
|- - JAGZ1876   QUOTE (angel @ 9th Jan 2013, 03:08pm) Hi ...   9th Jan 2013, 08:13pm
- - wee davy   Your not quite right on the powers ALLOWED by West...   9th Jan 2013, 05:28pm
- - JAGZ1876   Sorry i can't get the link to work i will try ...   9th Jan 2013, 08:04pm
- - JAGZ1876   9th Jan 2013, 08:06pm
- - Dylan   I would believe the Dailt Mail before this " ...   9th Jan 2013, 08:37pm
- - angel   [Post deleted at member's request. GG]   9th Jan 2013, 09:28pm
|- - JAGZ1876   QUOTE (angel @ 9th Jan 2013, 09:45pm) Wha...   9th Jan 2013, 10:13pm
|- - angel   QUOTE (angel @ 9th Jan 2013, 08:45pm) [Po...   11th Jan 2013, 12:32am
- - wee davy   Please - I put this Topic in for people to have ra...   9th Jan 2013, 09:38pm
- - JAGZ1876   Point taken, apologies, i started the food bank di...   9th Jan 2013, 10:08pm
- - Dave Grieve   Really is there any one/1/wan good reason to vote ...   10th Jan 2013, 02:21pm
- - wee davy   The London Borough of Wandsworth granted detailed ...   10th Jan 2013, 02:35pm
- - JAGZ1876   10th Jan 2013, 08:55pm
- - JAGZ1876   10th Jan 2013, 08:57pm
- - JAGZ1876   11th Jan 2013, 06:55am
- - wee davy   I would like to thank the members for respecting m...   13th Jan 2013, 12:06am
- - Dave Grieve   Independence seems to be a done deal as far as Bla...   13th Jan 2013, 05:59am
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