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> It's Immigration, Stupid!, Glasgow socialist says time to cap immigration
wee davy
post 29th Apr 2010, 01:38pm
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I'd like to know what 'official sources' you are referring to, ash. I do hope their not the one Mr Brown consistently gets wrong.

Or are you actually claiming to KNOW how many people people are getting suckered into coming here??

You can't infer people are bigots, when they are often the ones who have to LIVE with the results of poor control. Even the government (as was) admits we have absolutely no idea the extent of the problem.

As to what papers you read - a lot of people do not need ro read them - all they need do is take a walk down to their local green - or venture a wee ways up the river path. EVEN IMMIGRANTS say its getting outta hand!


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post 29th Apr 2010, 01:48pm
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I have to laugh at these so called "asylum seekers"-the law on seeking political asylum clearly states that those seeking asylum should head for the NEAREST safe haven from their country of domicile-so Somalia and Nigeria are the UK's next door neighbours then?-try again-it's not political asylum these people seek-it's economic asylum,higher pay and excellent social services courtesy of us mugs.Sorry but protectionism rules in this instance-the Germans used it in the last few years with the withdrawal of the "Gastarbeiter" scheme-Turkish and Bulgarian workers who were allowed a work permit in Germany,mostly in the Car factories were told that the permit was now withdrawn due to the re-unification of Germany and all were told to leave-causing massive complaints!-why?-they were on a temporary permit-although in some instances the Temporary was 30 years-but Germany was doing what anyone would do-looking after her "ain folk" first-and so should we.
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**Welsh Andy**
post 29th Apr 2010, 02:04pm
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QUOTE (lemmy @ 29th Apr 2010, 08:02am) *

Let me ask the question.... what do immigrants pay to our
government once they are here?

Taxes...
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ashfield
post 29th Apr 2010, 02:07pm
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Davy, I'm not prepared to do anybody's homework. It took me little more that 20 minutes on the computer to get the info, if people are really interested let them get it for themselves. Whether they believe the stats or not is a different matter but if you don't then what can you base opinion on.

I have lived in (or around) Glasgow for all of my 60 and threequarters years and worked in it for almost half of that so I do not need to be told about the problems people face here. Who are the biggest drain on our economy, the asylum seekers on their weekly allowance or guys like Ashcroft who earn their millions here but pay taxes elsewhere? There is a problem with immigration that needs to be resolved, my contention is that work towards that has already begun. I also think the size of the problem is being completely blown out of proportion and it is being done for political reasons.



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**Welsh Andy**
post 29th Apr 2010, 02:08pm
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I would guess the figures from the Home Office and the UK Border Agency. Figures that are available for free to all. It just seems like most journalists don't seem to realise this, nor do most people mind.
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wee davy
post 29th Apr 2010, 02:37pm
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ash, dear friend - 1) because its a statistic, it doesn't make it 'so' - as you well know sir
2) because its on the computer (or not as the case may be) it doesn't validate an argument any the better, or necessarily enhance it.
3) i bow to your local knowledge - however i was arguing from the national pandemic which has been taking place throughout the UK - and not simply from one of a parochial nature.
As for your assertion
"I also think the size of the problem is being completely blown out of proportion and it is being done for political reasons" you are wrong wrong wrong.
My 57 and one half years travelling around the UK, extensively, tells me so
(Though I'm not sure what thats got to do with anything)
Go express your thoughts down in Peterborough (and I mean to those who live by the riverside) and see where it gets you! I suggest you take some form of protection down with you.

There has been a consistent failure in this country since 1990 (check your computer), to adequately deal with the influx of other people's dross. Now you can either accept that - or continue to delude yourself. The truth is the problem has got worse in the last ten years - figures do not reflect what is being EXPERIENCED. My own mother has been mugged (age 82) in the checkout at her local Marks & Sparks by a non-domicile, down south - so, please - spare me your statistics.


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post 29th Apr 2010, 03:24pm
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Lets get real here

It is high time the" doors were locked and bolted" to all these immigrants, who a lot of the men are over here working, getting child benefits etc to send back abroad.

As for politicans, I have no faith left in any of them, they feed us a load of codswallap, of what they are going to do when they get into power, sorry, as far as I can see, the only thing they do is line there own pockets, and feed like parasites off the working classes.

Look at your housing stock! there is none, amazing how immigrants can get one though, my son has been told he will wait 15 years for a council house.

I agree with Jennifer, send all the immigrants back and then there will be loads of work, those that turn their nose up, stop the benefits etc, and they wont be long taking work no matter what the wage
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post 29th Apr 2010, 05:55pm
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Ah Davy, I did say that I have lived in or around Glasgow but believe it or not I have been allowed out occasionally. I only mentioned it as I thought the introdution to this thread was about a Glasgow issue. As it happens my niece lives in Peterborough, close to where my brother lives in Leicester so I know the area quite well. If you spend a bit of time actually reading what I said, you will see that my comments related to immigration figures and not problems caused by immigrants which is a completely differerent issue. I am sorry that your mother was a victim of an attack, an unpleasant experience regardless of who the perpetrator was.

You will also see that I accept that it is a problem and further measures are required to address that, but I said that already. I also agree that statistics cannot always be relied on but in the absence of those, how do you measure the problem? And once you have worked that out I will still say that health, education, social justice, the economy, employment, law & order all come higher in the pecking order of important issues. In that sense, I believe, immigration is blown out of proportion.

ps As usual with any thread that relates to immigration or asylum seekers we get a rash of posts from "guests", wonder why that is rolleyes.gif .


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post 29th Apr 2010, 06:03pm
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I guess by Gordon Brown's standards, a lot of us who have posted on this Thread are ' BIGOTS'.

It's a pity the Politicians who want our vote don't have the Public Meetings they used to have years ago before an Election. It would give us the chance to let them know how the British people really feel about all these Immigrants & Asylum Seekers and the Benefits that are handed out to them.


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wee davy
post 29th Apr 2010, 06:18pm
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Your right - the intro was indeed about Glasgow - but I chose to comment on the issue, with Glasgow being part of a seriously bigger and complex problem - I do not believe you talk about such a think on a regional basis.
We will have to agree to differ on the pecking order - as I happen to think it is the consensus of the population who BELIEVE it is the source of all our ills - rightly or wrongly.

"I will still say that health, education, social justice, the economy, employment, law & order all come higher in the pecking order of important issues." I would accept that - however this thread clearly refers to immigration - so its not me who's making political mileage out of this discussion! wink.gif
Would you not agree that every one of those issues are directly affected by our (on a national level) lack of effective immigration controls? and the link between what happens elsewhere, and Glasgow, are inextricably linked

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post 29th Apr 2010, 07:03pm
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"I will still say that health, education, social justice, the economy, employment, law & order all come higher in the pecking order of important issues.In that sense, I believe, immigration is blown out of proportion."

May I suggest that 'quality of life' should be as high up there as the other aspects of our social requirements. There is without any doubt a deep national feeling that the (almost) lack of immigration control is rapidly wearing away our national identity and has been gathering speed over the past decade with nothing repeat nothing being done to redress the balance. Be it the open door policy of 'European community' migration or the madness of allowing 'end of the line' political asylum into our small (and getting smaller!) country, these failures to properly control our borders do not bode well for our future.
Perceptions can be dangerous things and public order is held together by a very thin string.
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post 29th Apr 2010, 07:15pm
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I wonder how much Britain gets in Taxes from Immigrants compared to how much Child Benefit they pay out for children who do not live in Britain????



33m child benefit paid to foreign children who live abroadBy Glen OwenLast updated at 9:44 AM on 01st June 2008

British child benefit paid to foreign children living abroad has rocketed by an astonishing 72 per cent in just nine months, to 33million a year.
Most of the money is going on 36,000 children still in Poland whose parents are cashing in on European rules that let them claim benefits in the UK after working and paying taxes here for a year.
Ministers were plunged into immigration row last night by the figures, only shortly after proposed tax rises for low-income British families sparked intense controversy.
The huge bill for British taxpayers began with the EUs enlargement in 2004, leading to 800,000 workers from the new member countries moving to the UK.
But it has escalated dramatically as word has spread among Polish communities in Britain, coupled with Polish-language newspapers publishing guides on how to claim the benefit.
The new figures, released to Conservative Treasury spokesman Philip Hammond, reveal that in the nine months to March this year the number of workers from EU accession states claiming child benefit rose from 14,000 to 24,000.

For Poland, the rise in six months was 43 per cent.
Even larger amounts are paid out to East European workers in child tax credits, but the Government has refused to put a figure on that liability.
The UK benefit is so attractive because it is 977 a year for the first child and 652 for young siblings as opposed to 160 for each child in Poland.

But the reciprocal agreement under European law means Britons working in that country get only the 160 from the Warsaw government.
Mr Hammond said: "At a time when child poverty is rising, child-benefit money is being siphoned off to children who don't even live here.

"The Government has no way of checking if these claims are genuine.

"This is yet another example of how Gordon Brown has lost control of Government spending."
Opposition MPs yesterday demanded the Government "get a grip" on the runaway payouts.

But lawyers say the only answer is to negotiate a new deal among the 27 European Union countries.
The arrangement is a hangover

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10...l#ixzz0mWBStq61[/b]


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post 29th Apr 2010, 07:22pm
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question.......Why do so many brits. leave go tongue.gif abroad.

answer......They are disgusted at the high taxation..failing national health..being under the constant threat of being made redundant..sick and tired of paying into a system that supports immigrants..MPs that think only of themselfs.etc etc
Have you noticed even Big Issue seller are leaving..
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wee davy
post 29th Apr 2010, 07:25pm
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"in the nine months to March this year the number of workers from EU accession states claiming child benefit rose from 14,000 to 24,000"

For Poland, the rise in six months was 43 per cent.


so even if the rate of increase was just standing still - that would now be getting on for 50k children now being paid out of our welfare purse!!


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post 29th Apr 2010, 08:12pm
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I am so fed up with the way this country has been brought to its knees by the so called asylum seekers, illegal immigrants but also the generations of spongers who have never worked and are happy to live off benefits.

Yes there are many people in the country through no choice of there own cannot work nor find work but there are far too many happy to get along on the Social handouts. Where I live the working man is a rare animal but the ones who dont work have Sky TV, smoke' drink every day one young neighbour even takes a taxi to drop his child off at nursery then gets to taxi to drop him back home again, not that he is unfit as I see him enjoying a football kick about. Who pays for him...my hard working man and his taxes!
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