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> Uk Independence Referendum - Brexit, Yes or No on EU membership
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john.mcn
post 12th Jun 2015, 12:17am
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Kem it matters not whether you say they speak for the whole of Scotland or not, they are following through on their manifesto by voting against an EU referendum. They talked about it plenty of times before the election so i dont quite get why you seem surprised or want to 'debate' the issue, they said they'd do it, people voted for them, they did it...end of story..


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post 12th Jun 2015, 09:13am
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 11th Jun 2015, 09:40pm) *
it does not appear however that the people of Scotland speak with one voice on the issue of whether or not to have a referendum.


This may come as a bit of a shock to you but Scotland (nor any other country) has never spoken with "one voice" on any issue.
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post 12th Jun 2015, 09:52am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 12th Jun 2015, 11:21am) *
This may come as a bit of a shock to you but Scotland (nor any other country) has never spoken with "one voice" on any issue.



Has Kemedian been hearing voices again? rolleyes.gif


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Kemedian
post 12th Jun 2015, 02:49pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 12th Jun 2015, 10:21am) *
This may come as a bit of a shock to you but Scotland (nor any other country) has never spoken with "one voice" on any issue.

Hence, John's point about the debate makes no sense...

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I dont quite get why you want to 'debate' the issue, they said they'd do it, people voted for them, they did it...end of story.

I listened to our MP for Ochil & South Perthshire last night on the telly and, while I agree with her statement below, I can't see why her Party is trying to deny us all the chance to vote, on such a big issue that should matter to everyone.


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post 12th Jun 2015, 03:27pm
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post 12th Jun 2015, 03:36pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 12th Jun 2015, 02:57pm) *
Hence, John's point about the debate makes no sense...


I listened to our MP for Ochil & South Perthshire last night on the telly and, while I agree with her statement below, I can't see why her Party is trying to deny us all the chance to vote, on such a big issue that should matter to everyone.


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Kem it really is simple, if you want a say on SNP policy then join them, if you dont like their policies then dont vote for them. You are neither a member of the SNP or voted for them so you can hardly bitch about what they said they would do if people voted for them. Again it was in their manifesto and they have a record of at least trying to stick to it so it should come as no surprise that they actually did what they said they would do. i know it's shocking in this day and age of political parties campaigning on an issue and once in a coalition doing the complete opposite but you'll just have to accept that the SNP are the political equivalent of Ronseal, they do exactly what it says in the manifesto.

Oh and the MP for Ochil & South Perthshire is not 'our', 'your' or 'my' MP, she represents people from her constituency not Renfrewshire east, North Lanarkshire or anywhere else.


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post 12th Jun 2015, 04:10pm
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 12th Jun 2015, 04:44pm) *
it was in their manifesto... they do exactly what it says in the manifesto.

I never said it wasn't. But we can still disagree, right???

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Oh and the MP for Ochil & South Perthshire is not 'our', 'your' or 'my' MP, she represents people from her constituency not Renfrewshire east, North Lanarkshire or anywhere else.

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post 12th Jun 2015, 04:17pm
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QUOTE (ashfield @ 12th Jun 2015, 04:35pm) *
Not sure why but this cartoon just came to mind


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post 12th Jun 2015, 04:20pm
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Same to you, Ashfield, and anyone else who jumps in.

Is this what you get online for disagreeing with the SNP nowadays?
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post 12th Jun 2015, 05:11pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 12th Jun 2015, 04:18pm) *
I never said it wasn't. But we can still disagree, right???

Disagree about what exactly, do you disagree that the SNP are doing what they said they would do? Should they have about turned on what they said they would do when people voted for them, i say that if they did you would have a problem with that as well. What you have done is started an EU ref which is nothing more than an anti SNP rant, that is your tactic and it is as clear as water from the tap
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You say she is 'our' mp but it is 'her' party. How can she be our mp when we dont reside in her constituency but you stop short at association with the SNP, going by your logic then surely if she is 'our' MP then the SNP is also our party.


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post 12th Jun 2015, 05:15pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 12th Jun 2015, 04:28pm) *
Same to you, Ashfield, and anyone else who jumps in.

Is this what you get online for disagreeing with the SNP nowadays?


Disagree with them by all means but at least try to have a coherent argument, saying the SNP failed their first test when in fact they did exactly what they said they would do is bordering on the type of crap coming from the morons in fleet street.


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post 12th Jun 2015, 06:52pm
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It's the policy that I'm calling out, John. You'll find my argument, if you wish to debate it, in my original post.

Yes, it's about the SNP - now Scotland's voice at Westminster - which has turned coat and now stands in the way of this referendum. And before you repeat yourself again, last year's referendum was the best thing that's ever happened to the Party. Plus, it stands a very good chance of being on the winning side this time. So, what's it got to lose?

The Party should be prepared to engage in this and any important referenda and should not, in my opinion, make policy to avoid doing so. I doubt whether this particular policy had too much of a bearing on the Scottish electorate's choice anyway, so to argue that Scots are against having another referendum on this basis (when you are in favour yourself) is questionable; for which reason I am proposing a poll of GG members.
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post 13th Jun 2015, 07:54am
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 12th Jun 2015, 05:28pm) *
Same to you, Ashfield, and anyone else who jumps in.

Is this what you get online for disagreeing with the SNP nowadays?

Oh did you recognise yourself without me offering a name rolleyes.gif

Perhaps you could try dropping the yah, boo, hiss argumentitive style in your posts unsure.gif


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john.mcn
post 13th Jun 2015, 08:05am
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IRT Kem

What they've got to lose is their credibility, campaign on one thing and do a complete U turn within weeks is best left to other parties.

I never said anything about the people in Scotland being against a EU referendum or not.


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post 13th Jun 2015, 10:28am
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Surely when you vote for a party it's because you agree with most of what they stand for. It doesn't mean that you agree with everything they stand for. So there could be many Scots who don't want to stay in the EU but it was only one issue that they didn't agree with when they voted for the SNP. Therefore, all Scots should be entitled to vote in the referendum.
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