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> The Second Betrayal Of William Wallace, Wallace's Well on brink of destruction
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post 24th Aug 2011, 12:05pm
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I should be interested to know when Scottish history ceased to be taught in Scottish schools. I attended the High School of Glasgow 1951-59 and, although latterly I dropped history in favour of geography, my memory is that I was taught more Scottish history than English.


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post 24th Aug 2011, 12:18pm
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"Thanks to Mel Gibson's Braveheart, the Wallace Monument has been refurbished."

Unfortunately, at the foot of the path up to the monument they also erected an extremely tacky stone plinth bearing a remarkable likeness of Mel Gibson done up in his Bravheart character. dry.gif


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post 24th Aug 2011, 05:13pm
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I was wondering the same, Bilbo, when I attended Hillhead High from '48 to '53 we were taught all Scottish history, a little bit of English, Ethelred, William the Conqueror etc. and then when James VI took over England. Robert the Bruce was always my hero with Wallace a distant second but I still think that the Wallace monument should be restored. As for the Mel Gibson 'Braveheart' I think he should be the one hanged, drawn and quartered for that awful rendition of a Scottish hero.
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post 24th Aug 2011, 06:07pm
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The best that can be said for Mel Gibson is that he made many aware of Scotland´s existence. Hopefully some went on from there.


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post 24th Aug 2011, 06:08pm
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Say, buddy, is that Scatlan' Englan'? rolleyes.gif


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post 24th Aug 2011, 09:38pm
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I'm another one who was at School in the 1950s and was taught Scottish History.

I must ask my g'daughter who goes to St. Ambrose High School in Coatbridge if they get taught Scottish History there.

Who decided to drop it and why is Alec Salmond not shouting about it???

It seems very odd not to teach Scottish History in Scottish Schools.

Aye Elma, like me you must have been appalled at the liberty Mel Gibson took with the story of Wallace.
Typical Hollywood.


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post 25th Aug 2011, 11:12am
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My recollection of history lessons at school was that we were taught nothing about Scottish history at all. It was almost exclusively English, 1066 and all that. Certainly nothing was taught about great Scottish patriots like Wallace or Bruce.
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post 25th Aug 2011, 11:37am
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QUOTE (graeme01 @ 25th Aug 2011, 01:58pm) *
My recollection of history lessons at school was that we were taught nothing about Scottish history at all. It was almost exclusively English, 1066 and all that. Certainly nothing was taught about great Scottish patriots like Wallace or Bruce.

May we ask your age group and where you attended school ?


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post 25th Aug 2011, 05:37pm
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I attended school from 62 till 72, and got taught very little Scottish history, which infuriated my dad when he was reading my secondary school history book, having told him we were to study about the reign of England's king Henry VIII, he told me to ask the teacher, who was on the Scottish throne when Henry was crowned. So the next day while Mr McDougall was waxing lyrical about King Henry i put my hand and asked him the question, he stopped in his track's, glared at me as though i had just kicked his dog and mumbled that it was not what the lesson was about, that it was for another lesson. Funnily enough that lesson never came. And just in case there is an elderly ex history teacher by the name of McDougall reading this (and anyone else who is interested) the answer was James IV 1488-1513.
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post 25th Aug 2011, 06:52pm
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QUOTE (graeme01 @ 25th Aug 2011, 11:58am) *
My recollection of history lessons at school was that we were taught nothing about Scottish history at all. It was almost exclusively English, 1066 and all that. Certainly nothing was taught about great Scottish patriots like Wallace or Bruce.


I'm guessing (because for some reason you appear not to want us to know when you were born) you were 60s/70s schooled, graeme?

Scottish History WAS on the curriculum then - but not EVERY school had Wullie. I know this for sure, as I recall pals being enthralled by my tails of this 'derring do' character.

One of the main reasons for this, was the one & only reference book for much of the mid 20th Century) - was in the form of (very poor) poetry - which in itself was inconsistent to say the least! Most would agree, much of the better literature surrounding the period, has been produced, in the latter half of the century - which I recommend ALL of Scottish descent to familiarise themselves with!

For one thing, he was many things - but he certainly was NOT a sweet romantic!

The main thing, was he was a RIGHT pain in Longshanks' rectum - until his dying breath!

Scots Wha Hay

PS Don't knock Mel too much folks - he done a lot to regenerate the interest


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post 25th Aug 2011, 08:08pm
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Your right Wee Davy he did make Wallace well known world wide.

I remember my American neice telling me that when Braveheart was shown in New Jersey, all the teenagers were on their feet cheering on the Scots when they were fighting the English. laugh.gif


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post 26th Aug 2011, 02:32am
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Out of 19 locations where Braveheart was filmed, 13 were in Ireland. For example, the "battle of Stirling Bridge" was filmed on the Curragh Plains in Co Kildare. Even more bizarre, Edinburgh castle scenes were filmed at Dunsoghiy (sic) castle in Dublin. (Info from wikpeadia.)

Why in the name of the wee man were they filming Scottish scenes in Ireland?

Despite this I enjoyed the film. It gave Scotland and its history a temporary boost.

In Oz as I suspect in other Ccommonwealth countries and certainly in the USA, Ireland has a much higher profile than Scotland - and Ireland (Eire)
isn't even in the C'wealth. I'm half Irish btw.

Seen from 12,000 miles away, I'm afraid London is smothering Scotland.

In the late 40's I had a music teacher who made the class sing "There'll
always be an England" (does England mean as much to you as England means to me?) and we were all saying under our breath - naw it disnae.
Ye could'nae make it up. Aye, the more things change the more they stay the same.
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post 26th Aug 2011, 08:39am
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I think we don't sell ourselves well enough. The Irish seem much better at promoting themselves somehow. No offense, I've got loads of Irish family.

I've been on holiday at some of Scotland's prime locations for tourism and found our hospitality sadly lacking in some hotels. It can sound funny and quaint an hotelier saying, ' And, at what time is it that you'll be requiring hot water?' laugh.gif Or. ' Don't open that window will you? You see it causes a draught in the hall.' laugh.gif Not good enough though. sad.gif I think it's something in our nature.
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post 26th Aug 2011, 09:41am
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You are right, Melody. With a few exceptions, tourist hotels in Scotland do little to enhance the reputation of Scottish hospitality. I always was lucky with B&Bs as opposed to hotels, but I am now shocked at the extortionate prices they charge - it's the old joke " I merely want to use your bed, not purchase it."

My last memories of the Scottish tourist industry are that is is almost entirely manned by Europeans and Colonials- I used to ask Australians who was minding the store back home. This situation is caused partly by poor wages but also by the fact that British people do not like positions deemed servile, while other nations regard serving others as an honour. Members of my own family visiting us in Spain have made remarked upon the number of males serving in cafes and rstaurants, as if it is somehow demeaning. I have nothing against young people from other lands visiting Scotland and taking summer (?) jobs but lt should not be expected of them entirely to uphold standards.


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post 26th Aug 2011, 09:49am
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QUOTE (Harvey @ 26th Aug 2011, 04:18am) *
Why in the name of the wee man were they filming Scottish scenes in Ireland?


Dead simple, the Irish gave the company making the film bigger tax breaks. It was all down to economics and nothing to do with locations.


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