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Posted by: carmella 26th Feb 2020, 11:50am

Perhaps my thoughts are a bit off the wall, but here goes.

This virus started life in China as we all know. However, here’s the thing. It has now spread far and wide we assume by human contact in the vicinity of it.

I wondered with China exporting world wide in massive quantities, how do we know this virus has not been transported to the rest of us, when being packed by people in China who may have had the virus before symptoms appeared or, through businesses large and small who sell on Ebay?

Just a thought, or do the rest of you think this unlikely?

Hmmmmmm!

Posted by: zascot 26th Feb 2020, 12:58pm

Don`t pop the bubble wrap. The air inside comes from China. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 26th Feb 2020, 01:48pm

We have a friend of my daughter staying with us at the moment.
She works in China as an English teacher and was in SA when the latest virus broke out.
She has been stuck here ever since as the airline have cancelled all flights.
Yesterday she was told she can go back next week.
A 13 hour flight to Hong Kong a 5 hour layover at the airport a 3 hour flight to Shanghai and because she lives close to the province that is infected the flights into her province are also stopped so its a 5 train journey.
Dont know what she earns but it must be worth it.

Posted by: carmella 26th Feb 2020, 04:32pm

Oh my Dave what a time of it. I actually think foreign workers in China are quite well paid, plus I don’t imagine the cost of living for westerners is high.

Regardless, that is not a journey I would want, with the train part being the exception laugh.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 26th Feb 2020, 05:32pm

Apparently its a high speed bullet train on top of it. The part she's not looking forward to is the cross city trip from airport to train station with two suitcases.

Posted by: carmella 26th Feb 2020, 07:55pm

Oh she must be fit, that would be too much for me these days!

Posted by: DannyH 26th Feb 2020, 10:27pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 26th Feb 2020, 11:50am) *
Perhaps my thoughts are a bit off the wall, but here goes.

This virus started life in China as we all know. However, here’s the thing. It has now spread far and wide we assume by human contact in the vicinity of it.

I wondered with China exporting world wide in massive quantities, how do we know this virus has not been transported to the rest of us, when being packed by people in China who may have had the virus before symptoms appeared or, through businesses large and small who sell on Ebay?

Just a thought, or do the rest of you think this unlikely?

Hmmmmmm!

Carmella, your thoughts are not off the wall. The effect of the Coronavirus, is now being felt by the financial sectors across the world. Such is the world’s dependence on China for our non-food products, that the halt on Chinese exports worldwide has sent the stock markets plummeting.

It has also had an affect on the travel industry. Airlines must be very worried.

Could we be on the road to a return to 1928?

I wonder if this will result in return of manufacturing to the UK?

Danny

Posted by: carmella 26th Feb 2020, 11:27pm

Only time will tell, Danny. You know when stocks and shares are involved, the Markets are really concerned. I think many businesses will be suffering.

As for your last point, wouldn’t it be wonderful if manufacturing did indeed return to these shores, giving the jobs to our people. Alas, I can’t see it though.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 27th Feb 2020, 11:24am

My daughter told me this morning if she could get a job in China at the same rate as her friend she would be off like a shot leaving me to look after her daughter.
lol

Posted by: carmella 27th Feb 2020, 11:44am

Oh now there’s an idea LoL. It might be cheaper for you, nah you would miss her too much.

Watching the news this morning, and despite all the countries affected now, we have been told not to change travel plans, and perhaps we have been scared with all we’ve heard.

I’m not easily scared, however, I am not a gambler so I don’t think I would take a chance.

This is rapidly becoming a pandemic, and each country will deal with it in a different way. Some better than others.

I certainly think public gatherings should be cancelled. They are saying too this could go on for yeas. Gosh, I hope not?

Posted by: taurus 27th Feb 2020, 08:40pm

the big supermarkets here are limiting hand cleansers 2 per customer. Well that`s the Dettol variety, I couldn`t believe the shelf was bare yesterday,but I still bought the other handwipes,made in China !! I hope for the best.

Posted by: carmella 27th Feb 2020, 09:47pm

No cases in Scotland yet, hope it stays that way.

I have a thing about germs so I’m constantly using hand gel, particularly when I’m out.

Posted by: taurus 28th Feb 2020, 02:40am

we are the same Carmella,escalators,public toilet doors,we`re a bit OCD regarding that. Our 2 big supermarkets have hand cleaner dispensers,which I use to clean the trolley handle every time. I have only ever seen one young woman do it in the 3 years we`ve lived in this suburb. I was so pleased to think that someone else would be thinking along the same lines as me I went over and spoke to her. According to the news this morning the experts are saying every one in the world can expect to get it. I hope that`s just media beat up.
we are soon going in to winter,flu season anyway,so I imagine the doctor`s will be packed out this year with everyone panicking even if it`s just a cold.They say it`s to do with the Chinese eating wild animals,we see them on Border Security getting the bags searched and bringing in some weird and horrible stuff in the name of medicine.

Posted by: carmella 28th Feb 2020, 08:13am

Well taurus there’s a thing I have never seen hand sanitiser at out sipermarkets. Just a detail that would help over here too.

Unless I have my gloves on, or it is summer time, I won’t touch anything without using the sanitiser!

Good point thumbup.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 28th Feb 2020, 08:31am

QUOTE (carmella @ 28th Feb 2020, 10:13am) *
Well taurus there’s a thing I have never seen hand sanitiser at out sipermarkets. Just a detail that would help over here too.

Unless I have my gloves on, or it is summer time, I won’t touch anything without using the sanitiser!


Good point thumbup.gif


Have it here at all the bigger supermarkets. but then Taurus and I live on backward continents. unlike the ultra modern UK
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Posted by: carmella 28th Feb 2020, 10:10am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 28th Feb 2020, 08:31am) *
Have it here at all the bigger supermarkets. but then Taurus and I live on backward continents. unlike the ultra modern UK


LoL too funny! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Aye that’s right you murny as sophisticated as whit weez ur ower here! That’s whit ye get fur leavin’

On a serious note, Britain thinks it is streets ahead in many diverse areas, but it’s not the case.

I think we are all doomed!

Posted by: carmella 28th Feb 2020, 10:20am

On the plus side we don’t have deadly insects and snakes
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Posted by: taurus 28th Feb 2020, 10:31am

too right Carmella,the one thing I really enjoyed on my many trips to the UK was to sleep with the windows open,(except when my daughter had a plague of rats in her garden in Surrey ,too scared they could climb the wall),no mozzies,ants,spiders, cocroaches,hordes of flies,snakes,and whatever else. Summer here is a full time job with the insect spray,so tired of that.Laughing at you with your gloves,one plus in the winter i can hold on to the escalator.and the pole in the train carriage,because I have on my gloves. LOL. Just watching the news tonight and thinking the Pope might have the virus,he`s not well and been out mixing with the crowds.

Posted by: Scots Kiwi Lass 28th Feb 2020, 11:31am

It's just been announced that New Zealand has our first confirmed case, now in Auckland Hospital - the 48th country worldwide. The affected person had recently returned to NZ from Iran.

I don't believe I have ever had a virus or 'flu, so here's hoping, but I am a bit fearful of this situation.

Posted by: zascot 28th Feb 2020, 03:06pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 28th Feb 2020, 08:31am) *
Have it here at all the bigger supermarkets. but then Taurus and I live on backward continents. unlike the ultra modern UK
tongue.gif

I know you are in a backward part of the world Dave but you could always come back up here to Johannesburg. laugh.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 28th Feb 2020, 05:28pm

Not backward at all Queen Vic is still our monarch tongue.gif

Posted by: taurus 28th Feb 2020, 07:11pm

not too far off the mark Dave,the present queen is resembling her more and more as she ages,especially when she puts on that sulky hate everything face.

Posted by: carmella 28th Feb 2020, 09:16pm

QUOTE (taurus @ 28th Feb 2020, 07:11pm) *
not too far off the mark Dave,the present queen is resembling her more and more as she ages,especially when she puts on that sulky hate everything face.

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Posted by: taurus 28th Feb 2020, 11:35pm

you are so lucky Kiwilass never to have a flu or virus,NZ must be healthier than OZ. I must be honest when I lived and grew up in Glasgow I had an odd cold but never the flu ,ever. As soon as I arrived,within weeks, I got so ill,never experienced a throat infection like it in my life,and I had 2 little babies to worry about. Been like that too for 59 years,so this hot cimate is not a healthy one,and the coronavirus will love it I fear.

Posted by: DannyH 29th Feb 2020, 12:20am

I hate to say it folks, but the latest news about the affect Coronavirus is having on the world is not good. There are so many issues to be looked at. Individually they sometimes seem insignificant, but collectively they are a threat to us all.

Let’s take the Middle East for example. Millions of unfortunate people have been caught up in situations which have changed their lives forever. Up until recently, Italy, Turkey and Greece have been the three countries that have bore the brunt of this regional unrest. They have been deluged by innocent people seeking refuge. Up until now, there has been no International coordination to deal with these unfortunate refugees. It is all very well for every individual nation to have a coordinated plan to for its own citizens to deal with Coronavirus, but who is taking any action to deal with the potential danger that these unfortunate people may bring with them when they are smuggled into Europe? Italy is more or less in lockdown for its own citizens. Will they be given any assistance by the rest of Europe to deal with the never ending influx of refugees? Or will it be the usual, “Every man for himself”?

Danny

Posted by: taurus 29th Feb 2020, 11:04am

our government has banned entry to people from China,our economy was getting in to dire straits with the bushfires,now the influx of Chinese students due to start Uni in March will not happen and they bring millions in to the country for their educaton. I know it`s wrong to think about dollars when lives are at risk,but it`s just another side issue no one could have predicted 2 months ago.There will always be some plague or other to keep the population down,I have feeling I read that in the Scriptures at one time.Floods and famine or somesuch it said.

Posted by: beth 29th Feb 2020, 01:52pm

ON the upside, the Chinese, reportedly, have banned the import of our wildlife,dead and alive, on the downside, the investments that provide our income have dropped drastically. Don't know how on earth our Health System (Joke), would deal with an outbreak here

Posted by: wombat 1st Mar 2020, 06:24am

QUOTE (beth @ 29th Feb 2020, 02:52pm) *
Don't know how on earth our Health System (Joke), would deal with an outbreak here


unsure.gif local witch doctor perhaps? unsure.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 1st Mar 2020, 07:24am

QUOTE (wombat @ 1st Mar 2020, 08:24am) *
unsure.gif local witch doctor perhaps? unsure.gif


Not enough Whites in the country for that to work.
'Muti' Witch doctor medicine is strongest when the main ingredient, body parts from a human sacrifice is taken while the victim is alive.
Strongest 'Muti' of all is taken from a White victim.

Posted by: Scots Kiwi Lass 1st Mar 2020, 08:56am

QUOTE (taurus @ 28th Feb 2020, 11:35pm) *
you are so lucky Kiwilass never to have a flu or virus,NZ must be healthier than OZ. I must be honest when I lived and grew up in Glasgow I had an odd cold but never the flu ,ever. As soon as I arrived,within weeks, I got so ill,never experienced a throat infection like it in my life,and I had 2 little babies to worry about. Been like that too for 59 years,so this hot cimate is not a healthy one,and the coronavirus will love it I fear.


I've had colds of course but never diagnosed with 'flu. Too many people get a cold and call it 'flu, I suppose it sounds better. I've been getting 'flu injections for 20+ years now and this year's shots will be available I think in April. Whether there will be a vaccine for this latest virus, who knows?

My husband and I, with two young kids, moved to Sydney in 1977. It was originally going to be for one year but ended up another 2 years. Hubby was a truck driver so was out of Sydney most of the time. He was well paid and I had a full time job too. I couldn't tolerate the heat in Australia so we saw as much of the country as possible and moved back to Christchurch. The climate here suits me better, though it's been very hard with all the major earthquakes we have had.

Kia Ora,
Betty

Posted by: wombat 1st Mar 2020, 07:10pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 1st Mar 2020, 07:24am) *
Not enough Whites in the country for that to work.
'Muti' Witch doctor medicine is strongest when the main ingredient, body parts from a human sacrifice is taken while the victim is alive.
Strongest 'Muti' of all is taken from a White victim.



laugh.gif so thats how yie got that neck scar tongue.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 1st Mar 2020, 07:34pm

Completely agree with you re. cold vs flu. I have not had flu for the past 40 years, but loads of colds, but a lot fewer since we moved to Spain and they only last 2 or 3 days. When I last had flu, I had no respiratory symptoms, only felt it an effort to do anything like lifting an arm.

Posted by: wombat 1st Mar 2020, 07:49pm

rolleyes.gif since i quit boozin i sail thru that flu crap, usually only get a snotty nose for a few days .

I exercise daily .

Posted by: Dave Grieve 1st Mar 2020, 07:55pm

Flu and myself are strangers as is the cold. Cant remember the last time something like that affected me.
Malaria thats something else lost 16 kilos the last time and had comebacks for the next three years I think it was.

Posted by: taurus 1st Mar 2020, 09:09pm

kiwilass,I think I personally will stick with the unhealthy hot climate in lieu of the chance of an earthquake. The very thought of a building falling down on me gives me the horrors,I don`t go in lifts or shut the toilet door,imagine me in an earthquake.

Posted by: Scots Kiwi Lass 1st Mar 2020, 11:01pm

For the first 15 years here in Christchurch, I never gave earthquakes a second thought. Roll on 2009 and our lives changed forever. I agree, it is very hard to live with the big ones, then putting up with 12,000 or so after-shocks. It is taking time to rebuild the city and some buildings, including the Cathedral, won't be repaired in my lifetime. Still, the city is looking great and there are some fabulous new buildings.

Unbelievably, there are still many people who have chosen to settled here, one friend moved from Hamilton to Christchurch just after the February 2010 big one that did the most damage.


Posted by: Dave Grieve 2nd Mar 2020, 12:32pm

Never experienced a full blown earthquake as such but many years ago I was woken by what I can only describe as a steam locomotive thundering towards me as I lay in bed.
I could hear it and feel it as it came from a great distance until it eventually passed under th flat I was in and carried on northwards.
My bedroom window covered the entire wall and I watched as the very fast vibration slowly died down.
My wife slept right through.

Posted by: carmella 2nd Mar 2020, 04:00pm

I remember my bed moved for about 3 minutes or less. I had gone to bed after a night duty, dog tired, just about ready to fall over when it happened. Got the fright of my life. Found out later there was a tremor somewhere near Dumfries.

I recall thinking that was just a tremor, wonder what an earthquake would feel like

Posted by: ashfield 2nd Mar 2020, 04:41pm

I've never experienced an earthquake either and would happy pass on the experience. We were on a camping holiday in Wales, back in the 80s, and planned an early rise. This was to take photographs and drive over to Snowdon to catch the first train of the day to the summit. As we drove over, we were a bit bemused to see folk wandering around outside their houses in their night attire. Takes all sorts we thought cool.gif . It was only when we got to the top of Snowdon, we overheard a guy broadcasting on a CB radio saying there had been an earthquake. We missed it all, presumably because we were in the car in transit, never felt a thing.

There had been some structural damage to property but, thankfully, no one was hurt.

Posted by: taurus 2nd Mar 2020, 07:41pm

in 1989 the days before Email,I lways eagerly looked forward to my snail mail ,especially from my brother in Glasgow,and this day I just got in from the mail box,sat on the chair to open it,when the whole floor rumbled in a terryfying way. I laughed for a minute thinking his letters are always good but not that good. ha ha. Sadly it was a real earhquake in Newcastle,a couple of hundred miles away. Their local club bore the brunt of it,when it was pensioners day,a lot of couples returning to their cars in the underground carpark,and killed. That`s the only earthquake I am familiar with,we don`t get them like NZ

Posted by: Scots Kiwi Lass 3rd Mar 2020, 05:23am

I often wonder if I had known about the earthquakes in NZ, I might have thought twice about emigrating here. The damaging shakes of 2010 and 2011 were the biggest since the shakes in Napier in the 1920s, I think. Wellington will be hit hard in a strong earthquake, and there is only one major road out of the city, so God help them in a tsunami.

Now, after the volcanic eruption on White Island, that is one more thing to worry about, if you are a worrier! Thankfully, we don't have that threat, only extinct volcanoes. We are mostly now very well informed about what to do in an earthquake or a tsunami. Fortunately I live far enough away from the seaside communities so feel safe enough.

The last big quake here was over a year ago and it was a biggie, 7.8 magnitude I think. It was centered on the Kaikoura coast and did massive damage to roads and railways but no loss of life. I did feel it here in Christchurch and initially thought it must have been the Alpine fault that could rupture at any time.

It is still a beautiful country, so any prospective visitors shouldn't be put off.

Posted by: beth 3rd Mar 2020, 06:31am

Allan visited Christchurch on business, just before the big one and was well impressed. He felt so sad seeing the devastation after the quake. He would love to go back on holiday,but it is just a flight too far for us. Friends have also visited and love it, but their children live in Tasmania so it is not so far for them when visiting their children

Posted by: taurus 3rd Mar 2020, 10:23am

It`s the same thing in California,they have this fault line hanging over their lives always,but they just go on living normal lives and hope for the best. Life is not perfect anywhere,so it`s just make the best of it.

Posted by: beth 5th Mar 2020, 02:27pm

Well it has finally reached SA and right here in our own province KZN 38 year old man just back from Italy

Posted by: carmella 5th Mar 2020, 05:22pm

This past two days one victim in my county, but no idea where due to patient confidentiality, they won’t divulge!

Iam in South Ayrshire, and have heard it may be someone in East Ayrshire.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 5th Mar 2020, 06:51pm

10 or 12 years ago I had a hip replacement. It was only much later I found out that in the same hospital there was an Ebola Virus patient from Zambia.

Posted by: beth 5th Mar 2020, 06:58pm

Dave as long as there are no panic situations, and we take the necessary precautions, all will be well. Folk just need to stop kissing, cuddling and shaking hands every two minutes

Posted by: taurus 5th Mar 2020, 08:19pm

going shopping this morning,the check out chick in Woolies wont be getting her usual kiss and cuddle ,...as if.. sometimes it`s hard to get a smile out of them. !

Posted by: DannyH 5th Mar 2020, 10:15pm

So Coronavirus has come to Scotland. Yesterday Nicola Sturgeon said Scotland is well prepared to deal with this. Really? What does that mean?

On a UK level, advice is being given to people on their financial position if they self impose staying off work because they think they are showing symptoms of Coronavirus.

The one thing missing from my above two paragraphs is that there has been no input from the UK medical profession. The medical professionals and their support staff are finding it impossible to keep up with the demands put on them by the people of the UK, without Coronavirus. They are already well past being stretched to the limit by the sheer volume of work being placed upon them 24 hours a day.

Last year there were about 1100 drug related deaths in Scotland, The greatest proportion of them being in the West of Scotland. We also have an obesities crisis on our hands. I suppose this is what Nicola Sturgeon means when she says we are well prepared.

It is also worth mentioning to our overseas readers that part of Nicola Sturgeon’s constituency is Govanhill. It is infested with rats and various other vermin. The garbage bins left in the streets are overflowing. In some other areas of Glasgow, the refuse collection service is abysmal

The advice we have received from the politicians is to wash our hands!

I am certain that many workers in the NHS, must be shaking their heads at the politicians of this country.

Danny

Posted by: taurus 6th Mar 2020, 04:10am

same with this country,the PM tells us go about your business,go on holiday and spend money in the places that are suffering hardship,"we are well prepared for a pandemic ". Really ?? today, health care workers ,doctors, a schoolboy which shut down a whole school and an 8 mnth old baby,our PM is just trying to boost morale.I washed the handle of the trolley in Woolies today with the wet wipes they provide. For 3 years I see myself being the only one to do this,but today was surprised to see every other person who walked in went and used a wipe. Sad that it takes a world crisis,but at least it`s happening. Just living in hope as we all are.

Posted by: carmella 6th Mar 2020, 09:01am

This virus now has its first case in SA.

There seems to be no way to halt its spread!

Posted by: ashfield 6th Mar 2020, 06:07pm

During, what we all recognise is a serious situation, I welcome the medical advice given by professional staff. I'm not very convinced about the big "wash your hands" campaign, my feeling is it's just giving people something to focus on, but that's just my opinion.

What I don't welcome is the constant and repeated TV news, giving us blow by blow accounts of who has been tested positive and where. Pretty soon they will have folk going round, painting crosses on the doors of those affected. I also don't welcome the stupid reports on TV news about shops running out of food, toilet paper, hand sanitiser and today, it's cleaning products. Completely and utterly irresponsible angry.gif

Posted by: DannyH 6th Mar 2020, 06:30pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 6th Mar 2020, 06:07pm) *
During, what we all recognise is a serious situation, I welcome the medical advice given by professional staff. I'm not very convinced about the big "wash your hands" campaign, my feeling is it's just giving people something to focus on, but that's just my opinion.

What I don't welcome is the constant and repeated TV news, giving us blow by blow accounts of who has been tested positive and where. Pretty soon they will have folk going round, painting crosses on the doors of those affected. I also don't welcome the stupid reports on TV news about shops running out of food, toilet paper, hand sanitiser and today, it's cleaning products. Completely and utterly irresponsible :angry:

Ash, I completely agree with your above post.

I think that one of the downsides of modern digital technology is that scare stories can go Global instantly.

Danny


Posted by: DannyH 6th Mar 2020, 06:59pm

Human beings are strange creatures. Throughout the centuries, mankind has been faced with various epidemics, which caused the deaths of billions of people. I think it is reasonable to say that during the twentieth century, the advancement in medical science was significant. I recall, when children were prone to diseases like the measles, scarlet fever, whooping cough etc. Then there was tuberculosis, smallpox. I think it was in the late 1950’s when Lascar merchant seamen came to Glasgow and caused a smallpox scare. This resulted in the death of some of the medical staff at the Royal Infirmary.
Let’s not forget polio.

At that time, we were unaware of the magnitude of these afflictions throughout the world, on a daily basis.

Having eradicated many of these afflictions, or lessened their threat to humans, what do we find?
The growing number of people living to a ripe old age, has become a problem! Without bringing politics into it, politicians across the board have made that claim. So as someone who is now 88, I would just like to say to politicians of all parties. Don’t bother finding a vaccine to eliminate Coronavirus. You have a ready made solution to the age problem.

Danny

Posted by: zascot 6th Mar 2020, 07:12pm

On the lighter side I remember when we had the SARS virus, my partner and I got back to the office from a business trip and the first thing our company accountant said was that he thought SARS was going to give us a big problem. We both looked at each other and that guilty feeling went through us both. Let me explain, she was talking about the SARS virus we thought she was talking about SARS (South African Revenue Services) ie the dreaded tax man. At least this new one was given a sensible name.😁😂

Posted by: DannyH 6th Mar 2020, 09:33pm

QUOTE (zascot @ 6th Mar 2020, 07:12pm) *
On the lighter side I remember when we had the SARS virus, my partner and I got back to the office from a business trip and the first thing our company accountant said was that he thought SARS was going to give us a big problem. We both looked at each other and that guilty feeling went through us both. Let me explain, she was talking about the SARS virus we thought she was talking about SARS (South African Revenue Services) ie the dreaded tax man. At least this new one was given a sensible name.😁😂

Hello Zascot. So you are also a musician. On the fiddle were you?

Danny

Posted by: taurus 6th Mar 2020, 10:55pm

Remember when the AIDS virus was first announced,people wouldn`t sit next to other people on the bus thinking their sweat would contaminate them. There always will be something to wipe out the population one way or another,but this unforseen enemy now is the social media,the fear it`s spreading is as bad as the virus,(well,making it even harder to live with ).

Posted by: wombat 6th Mar 2020, 11:14pm

QUOTE (taurus @ 6th Mar 2020, 10:55pm) *
Remember when the AIDS virus was first announced,people wouldn`t sit next to other people on the bus thinking their sweat would contaminate them.


rolleyes.gif you would be as safe as the bank of england sitting next to prince andrew then laugh.gif

tongue.gif oops wrong thread

Posted by: zascot 7th Mar 2020, 04:33am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 6th Mar 2020, 10:33pm) *
Hello Zascot. So you are also a musician. On the fiddle were you?

Danny

Honest as the day is long. Always volunteer to pay extra tax.😁 Having our own business we get regular tax audits and have not failed one,but when you see 5 or 6 people walk through your door caarying laptops unannounced the nerves wobble. Retired now so just get my dividends. Always said I wished I was paying double the tax, that would mean I was making double the money

Posted by: carmella 7th Mar 2020, 06:09pm

I was in my local supermarket today. To be honest I rarely go on a Saturday because it is just too busy, but I had to go.

Well you wouldn’t believe it but the place was packed. No sign of anyone avoiding public places or large crowds.

I had a wee laugh as I walked my trolley back to the car, see we Scots are feert fae nabdy sure we’re no? clap.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: taurus 7th Mar 2020, 09:13pm

well we`re feart fae the Aussies so we`re self isolating. We sometimes go to a club on a Sunday afternoon for jazz,but our friends all want to kiss and hug us. Funny thing is,over the years,"so and so is very sick with the flu",and its the same ones every winter,proves it`s its all the kissing when they meet.
My father in law years ago came for a holiday,and in his other son`s inlaws house,he was taken aback,He said you go to the lavvy and when you come out they`re all queuing up to give you a kiss. Exaggerated by him but how he perceived it. tongue.gif

Posted by: ashfield 8th Mar 2020, 08:16am

QUOTE (carmella @ 7th Mar 2020, 06:09pm) *
I was in my local supermarket today. To be honest I rarely go on a Saturday because it is just too busy, but I had to go.

Well you wouldn’t believe it but the place was packed. No sign of anyone avoiding public places or large crowds.

I had a wee laugh as I walked my trolley back to the car, see we Scots are feert fae nabdy sure we’re no? clap.gif laugh.gif


We went to a couple, on Thursday and Friday, and if anything they were more busy than normal. No sign of anyone changing their behaviour (yet) except the antiseptic cleaning wipes had been wiped out rolleyes.gif Not worried about having to shake hands or kiss and hug folk, that the upside of being a billy nae mates tongue.gif

Posted by: taurus 8th Mar 2020, 10:49am

I know what you mean Ashfield, I just wish I was ugly laugh.gif then no one would want to kiss me when we meet. clown.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 8th Mar 2020, 11:04am

Just been to a local Chinese shop to buy some noodles.
The husband and wife owners are sitting behind the counter with face masks on.
We have I believe two cases in the country both of them four hundred miles apart.

Posted by: zascot 8th Mar 2020, 01:17pm

Dave I believe the 2 cases are related as they were on the same Italian trip. Agree with you re some people getting in a panic, you have less chance of catching it than you have of winning the lotto.

Posted by: beth 8th Mar 2020, 04:03pm

Things are quite "normal"....well same as usual in our wee sleepy corner

Posted by: carmella 8th Mar 2020, 11:09pm

It feels normal for me also, but it might be early days yet.

I have to say, I did not panic buy anything. I have plenty of hand gel by virtue that I always have spare bottles, and also keep some in my bags and in the car.

I have a thing about germs, so it is nothing unusual for me.

As the weather warms perhaps the virus will die.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 11th Mar 2020, 05:46pm

Interesting 'fact' on American TV. Since the start of their annual 'flu season' there have been more than 10 million confirmed cases of flu with 4800 deaths recorded.
Put 'Corona' at the start of those figures and the world would be in pandemonium.

Posted by: wombat 11th Mar 2020, 06:16pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 11th Mar 2020, 06:46pm) *
Interesting 'fact' on American TV. Since the start of their annual 'flu season' there have been more than 10 million confirmed cases of flu with 4800 deaths recorded.
Put 'Corona' at the start of those figures and the world would be in pandemonium.


tongue.gif apparently people sh.t more than normal with this virus,people are scrambling to by
bum fodder in case of shortages laugh.gif


 

Posted by: wombat 11th Mar 2020, 06:25pm

thumbup.gif https://iview.abc.net.au/show/shaun-micallef-s-mad-as-hell thumbup.gif

Posted by: carmella 11th Mar 2020, 06:29pm

This has been on the news here for several days now with everyone wondering why the Aussies need clean bums more than us biggrin.gif laugh.gif but, as I pointed out some people in Aussie land may live a fair distance from a supermarket!

Posted by: wombat 13th Mar 2020, 06:50pm

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Posted by: carmella 13th Mar 2020, 07:46pm

thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

Posted by: wombat 15th Mar 2020, 06:47am

laugh.gif https://www.facebook.com/ozzymanreviews/videos/2589927284612611/ laugh.gif

Posted by: carmella 15th Mar 2020, 07:40am

Well done Auzzies we need more FB posts like this LoL

Posted by: ashfield 15th Mar 2020, 11:01am

Well, it looks like us "auld" folk will have to "self isolate" ourselves with only going to work or shopping allowed (not that the greedy, thoughtless individuals I share this planet with have left much to buy). Meanwhile we are being reminded to stay at home if we feel unwell and not to bother contacting our local GP practice or hospitals. This fills me full of warmth and confidence in the welfare state unsure.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 15th Mar 2020, 11:21am

Self isolating maybe a good thing as long as everybody else plays the game.
I have a 13 year old granddaughter who coughs and sneezes wherever she may be as Rabbie might have said.
No matter where she is the mouth and nose never gets covered.

Posted by: carmella 15th Mar 2020, 06:39pm

Has anyone noticed we are hearing about outbreaks in countries, but as yet none of the islands. Guernsey, Jersey, Malta etc.

Or am I being over imaginative smartass.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 15th Mar 2020, 08:06pm

We have gone from 17 cases about five days ago to 61 cases yesterday to a national emergency today with all sorts of restrictions in place including closure of schools and travel bans.
I think somebody has been telling porkies about whats really happening.

Posted by: wombat 15th Mar 2020, 08:34pm

unsure.gif laugh.gif

 

Posted by: DannyH 15th Mar 2020, 11:13pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 15th Mar 2020, 11:01am) *
Well, it looks like us "auld" folk will have to "self isolate" ourselves with only going to work or shopping allowed (not that the greedy, thoughtless individuals I share this planet with have left much to buy). Meanwhile we are being reminded to stay at home if we feel unwell and not to bother contacting our local GP practice or hospitals. This fills me full of warmth and confidence in the welfare state :unsure:

Ashfield, I cannot believe the elderly are expected to self isolate for four weeks. Prior to the Coronavirus appearing on the scene, thousands of elderly people in the UK had fallen victim to dementia. One of the causes of dementia is isolation.

The South Korean government seem to have come up with a successful strategy to deal with the Coronavirus. Perhaps we should be following their model. In saying that, I honestly don’t know if their elderly are being forced to self isolate.

Danny

Posted by: DannyH 15th Mar 2020, 11:35pm

I wonder if Jagz is still of the same opinion, he made recently regarding Coronavirus. At that time he said there was a lot of hype being put out regarding it.

This is not a jibe Jagz. I just would like to know if you still feel this way.

Danny

Posted by: carmella 16th Mar 2020, 07:41am

The Chinese Government should be sued by the countries affected, and I am serious.

If not for their horrendous treatment of wildlife, dogs and cats, the rest of us would not be in this position. This outbreak apparently started down a side street market in Wulan.

How many lives are going to be affected by this is an unknown quantity. Businesses will go under, millions will lose their job, I could go on and on. All of this could happen in only months not years. China will get back to normal but not the rest of us.


I think we are in a very sorry state. Are we being told the truth, I wonder!

Posted by: ashfield 16th Mar 2020, 08:34am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 15th Mar 2020, 11:13pm) *
Ashfield, I cannot believe the elderly are expected to self isolate for four weeks. Prior to the Coronavirus appearing on the scene, thousands of elderly people in the UK had fallen victim to dementia. One of the causes of dementia is isolation.

The South Korean government seem to have come up with a successful strategy to deal with the Coronavirus. Perhaps we should be following their model. In saying that, I honestly don’t know if their elderly are being forced to self isolate.

Danny


Danny, they're not talking 4 weeks, they're saying it could be up to 4 months.

Posted by: carmella 16th Mar 2020, 09:06am

On the news this morning they were saying that the Scottish government have not introduced this isolation, all they have said is for anyone to avoid gatherings of 500 or more. The elderly self isolate for months apparently only applies to England.

I had a hospital appointment today at 11 which I cancelled because I don’t trust whoever I may come in +ontact with because I just cannot run the risk of catching Covid-19,

Posted by: ashfield 16th Mar 2020, 09:45am

QUOTE (carmella @ 16th Mar 2020, 09:06am) *
On the news this morning they were saying that the Scottish government have not introduced this isolation, all they have said is for anyone to avoid gatherings of 500 or more. The elderly self isolate for months apparently only applies to England.

I had a hospital appointment today at 11 which I cancelled because I don’t trust whoever I may come in +ontact with because I just cannot run the risk of catching Covid-19,


It's a bit unfortunate that we're getting mixed messages on how to proceed. I saw Andy Burnham being interviewed earlier and he made the point that briefings would better be received if they were made by clinicians rather than politicians. I agree with him.

Can't blame you for cancelling your appointment, I have one due in the next few months and will probably do the same. Guess we need to take responsibility for our own safety and that of those close to us.

Posted by: carmella 16th Mar 2020, 11:54am

Agree with you Ash, Politicians don’t seem to convey messages in the right way, personally I find them patronizing and ill informed in providing the sort of information we need.

We are told they get their info from clinicians. I would rather the experts in communicable diseases spoke to us, as well as the scientists who have the knowledge.

I have decided to be more or less housebound, but not entirely isolated. I wear latex gloves when I do go out and never take them off until I reach my front door. I always have antibacterial wipes and small plastic bags in my car, so wipe my steering wheel too. When I take off the gloves at my door I immediately put them in the small plastic bag.

I do what I can for me as well as my husband who is not able to fend for himself physically or mentally, and is so vulnerable so I feel I have to do my best to keep this virus away from him, as far as humanly possible.


Posted by: DannyH 16th Mar 2020, 01:34pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 16th Mar 2020, 08:34am) *
Danny, they're not talking 4 weeks, they're saying it could be up to 4 months.

Thanks Ashfield. I have made an appointment with Specsavers!

Had a good laugh today. One of my neighbours parks his company van in front of our house.
He has stuck a notice on the back door of it. The notice reads,

“There are no toilet rolls left in this van overnight”

Danny

Posted by: carmella 16th Mar 2020, 04:02pm

Right now on SKY news, live from Geneva the WHO is taking phonecalls from around the world.

This is good.

I ask myself this question “what is happening to us?”

This is unprecedented!

”We cannot fight a fire while blindfolded” Says Director General.
They have formed the opinion ithat isolation is working based on findings from Singapore, South Korea etc.

Posted by: beth 16th Mar 2020, 04:58pm

Yes we seem to have joined the rest of the world, re the virus. 61 cases, no deaths and about 4 maybes. So the big stores are being raided. To be honest, I am not in panic mode, but I feel for the poor folk out in the sticks. Wash your hands for twenty seconds regularly. For heavens sake thousands do not have running water. Folk with reduced immune systems? We have no idea how many folk have TB and HIV/Aids. Drastic measures are being put in place. Hopefully??? our government will have learnt from other countries

Posted by: Kemedian 16th Mar 2020, 06:00pm

No non-essential contact or travel, from today, across the country. Voluntary. Could yet become enforced. Schools open, for now.

Total lockdown can't be far off.

Good luck folks. confused2.gif

Posted by: carmella 16th Mar 2020, 06:20pm

I actually think this is frightening!

It reminds me of those awful disaster movies, only this is real.

Posted by: wombat 16th Mar 2020, 06:29pm

rolleyes.gif proof we failed as a species,in times of crisis we reach for the bog roll laugh.gif

Posted by: wombat 16th Mar 2020, 07:05pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 15th Mar 2020, 08:06pm) *
I think somebody has been telling porkies about whats really happening.


just in your region or the bigger picture dave?


Posted by: Dave Grieve 16th Mar 2020, 07:34pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 16th Mar 2020, 09:05pm) *
just in your region or the bigger picture dave?

I think wombat my comment was aimed the shower here who call themselves a government.
From not a problem less than a week ago to todays latest the borders have been closed to non South Africans except with an approved visa. Its just moved too fast.
I know the bigger picture is more important but from what I have been able to see other countries kept their citizens up to date and better informed than we have.

Posted by: bilbo.s 17th Mar 2020, 10:24am

'Miriam Brett @MiriamBrett The Spanish government has nationalised all private hospitals and healthcare providers. A sensible move. The idea of hospital beds lying empty amid a pandemic because a handful of people want to make money from them is shameful. Spain has nationalised all of its private hospitals as the country goes into coronavirus lockdown businessinsider.com'


🤔https://twitter.com/MiriamBrett/status/1239840481753935872…

Posted by: bilbo.s 17th Mar 2020, 11:17am

https://www.lavanguardia.com/internacional/20200316/474212594165/coronavirus-macron-medidas-choque-indeditas-francia.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=internacional&fbclid=IwAR35Hozp9y11gReKTQgRgSEg9u6ceu1UEwuqrb2eTtGzPQFf_Ege82H_q6c

https://www.lavanguardia.com/internacional/20200316/474212594165/coronavirus-macron-medidas-choque-indeditas-francia.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=internacional&fbclid=IwAR35Hozp9y11gReKTQgRgSEg9u6ceu1UEwuqrb2eTtGzPQFf_Ege82H_q6c

Posted by: Dykejumper 17th Mar 2020, 11:58pm

Toilet paper shortage?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q80kolC3YAs

Posted by: Scots Kiwi Lass 18th Mar 2020, 04:21am

My sister lives in Quesada in the south of Spain and is of course barred from going anywhere except for food shopping or to Pharmacies, etc. People out on the streets have to provide ID and give a good reason to be out. She is not too bothered about it all and has her dog and cat - they look after each other. Hopefully, the communications system doesn't fail, as it often does in Spain.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 18th Mar 2020, 08:11am

This piece of good news will no doubt not please everyone. wink.gif

https://www.rt.com/news/482093-china-closes-first-wuhan-hospital/

Posted by: DannyH 18th Mar 2020, 09:06am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 18th Mar 2020, 08:11am) *
This piece of good news will no doubt not please everyone. ;)

https://www.rt.com/news/482093-china-closes-first-wuhan-hospital/

Thank you Nero. We all await your next performance with abated breath.

Danny

Posted by: wombat 18th Mar 2020, 09:28am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 18th Mar 2020, 10:06am) *
Thank you Nero. We all await your next performance with abated breath.

Danny



laugh.gif with a baited breath laugh.gif

Posted by: DannyH 18th Mar 2020, 10:18am

QUOTE (wombat @ 18th Mar 2020, 09:28am) *
:lol: with a baited breath :lol:

Wombat, my wife, who is 87, has just received a phone call from her dentist to cancel the appointment she had for tomorrow.The dentist said he was complying with Government instructions to stop treating patients over the age of 70, except for emergency situations.

So I suggest that everyone over the age of 70 should go to the hospital in China that Nero told us about. The Chinese are famous for their waalie dugs. Everybody’s granny had one when I was a wee boy. So there should be no problems getting your waalies fixed in China.

Silly old me. I forgot all air travel to China has stopped. Oh well, there is always the Charity shops.
Many years ago, my wife was a volunteer worker in a Charity shop. One day a lady came in with a large plastic bag filled with clothes. My wife emptied the clothes out of the bag. There was a pair of trousers amongst the donated clothes.

On inspection, a pair of waalies were found! The lady never came back for the waalies. I have this metal picture of a man running around the house, gummys, with his wife is smiling in the background.

See this being confined to the hoose , it’s doin ma heid in. Oh my god. I canny find ma waalies and my wife is away oot. I think she said something aboot going to a Charity shop!

Danny

Posted by: JAGZ1876 18th Mar 2020, 11:38am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 18th Mar 2020, 09:06am) *
Thank you Nero. We all await your next performance with abated breath.

Danny


Over to you Private Frazer. wink.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 18th Mar 2020, 02:04pm

Over to you First Minister...



* Latest - schools to close this week *

Posted by: DannyH 18th Mar 2020, 04:26pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 18th Mar 2020, 11:38am) *
Over to you Private Frazer. ;)

Aye we are all doomed. Doomed Ah tell ye Laddie!

Posted by: carmella 18th Mar 2020, 04:59pm

The whole world is in turmoil because of illicit wildlife traders in China.

One such animal is the Pangolin, a known carrier of Covid-19, which they like for its reputed health benefits, rats and civet cats. Therefore, selling these both live, and dead is very lucrative for these horrible people.

SARS in 2003 and now Covid, all spread from China.

Just sayin’

Posted by: wombat 18th Mar 2020, 09:10pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 18th Mar 2020, 04:59pm) *
The whole world is in turmoil because of illicit wildlife traders in China.

Just sayin’


wub.gif seem to remember" domesticated" cattle being exterminated in UKs mad cow episode
caused by feeding dried and powdered dead animals back to their own kind .


tongue.gif just sayin.

when will folk understand that animals are innocents in our scheme of things?

Posted by: carmella 18th Mar 2020, 10:05pm

The Chinese have a terrible record on animal welfare. They still hold the Yulin dog meat festival, where they skin and torture dogs and puppies before cooking them alive because they taste better when they have been tortured.

No matter how much the world complains, they still do this.

They are barbaric.

Posted by: wombat 18th Mar 2020, 10:27pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 18th Mar 2020, 10:05pm) *
They are barbaric.



laugh.gif yep https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2914741465228368

Posted by: ashfield 19th Mar 2020, 03:44pm

Tried to do our "normal" shopping today, went to Aldi, Lidl and Tesco. No toilet roll, no pasta of any description, no rice, no instant coffee, no tea bags, no tissues, no breakfast cereals or porridge, no tins of either soup or tomatoes, Spirits and beer were virtually gone with the wine shelves in Aldi and Lidl depleted. Tesco had no fresh meat or Chicken and the only vegetable available was Broccoli (no fresh potatoes, carrots, turnip, leeks, onions). Of the stuff that was there, like eggs, milk and sugar, it was all in short supply.

Whatever the message is about sensible shopping, it's not getting through and there is still manic buying going on (pun intended). The message about personal space seems to going over folks heads as well, guess some people will just not get it (or more likely they will rolleyes.gif )

Bit of a sickening postscript. Reports today that hospitals are having toilet rolls being taken from cubicles with hand wash and antibacterial gel being emptied into containers and stolen. Suppose at times like these we see the best and worst of folk unsure.gif

Posted by: carmella 19th Mar 2020, 04:57pm

This is just mad. Only last week we were being told those who were panic buying were doing the wrong thing as there were plenty of supermarket stock in the warehouses, so why are the shelves empty!

I do my grocery shopping online and get it delivered so why is it across the board I cannot get a delivery date right up for 3 weeks. None of them go beyond 3 weeks.

What a mess, we can’t go out to shop, well my husband is physically unable to leave the house, part of the reason I have found doing my shopping online for years.

Loyalty to vulnerable customers obviously doesn’t matter, or do they know something we don’t?


Posted by: DannyH 19th Mar 2020, 08:25pm

Ashfield and Carmella, I think what is happening is a reflection on modern society. During World War 2 there was panic buying at the outbreak of war. No question about that. So food rationing was introduced and lasted beyond the end of that war.

Thousands of people lost their lives to get food to us during the War.

The difference between then and now is that there was no digital technology then. People emptied the shops because there was no fast way of disseminating information to the general public. The method was, somebody would say, “ The fruit shop has got bananas in”. So a big queue was formed outside the fruit shop.

Today we have supermarkets imploring their customers not to panic buy. There is no shortage of food or other essential hygienic related products. The consumers have created this ‘crisis’.

Perhaps this is a reflection on our modern society’s constant use of Social Media. We have become robots.

Danny

Posted by: DannyH 19th Mar 2020, 10:05pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 19th Mar 2020, 03:44pm) *
Tried to do our "normal" shopping today, went to Aldi, Lidl and Tesco. No toilet roll, no pasta of any description, no rice, no instant coffee, no tea bags, no tissues, no breakfast cereals or porridge, no tins of either soup or tomatoes, Spirits and beer were virtually gone with the wine shelves in Aldi and Lidl depleted. Tesco had no fresh meat or Chicken and the only vegetable available was Broccoli (no fresh potatoes, carrots, turnip, leeks, onions). Of the stuff that was there, like eggs, milk and sugar, it was all in short supply.

Whatever the message is about sensible shopping, it's not getting through and there is still manic buying going on (pun intended). The message about personal space seems to going over folks heads as well, guess some people will just not get it (or more likely they will :rolleyes: )

Bit of a sickening postscript. Reports today that hospitals are having toilet rolls being taken from cubicles with hand wash and antibacterial gel being emptied into containers and stolen. Suppose at times like these we see the best and worst of folk :unsure:


Ashfield, I note that you went to three companies shops, Aldi, Lidl and Tesco. The following response is not directed at you personally. I am just using your post to illustrate the difference between now and World War 2. I am aware that none of the three companies you mention were in existence in the UK during the War.

During the war you would have only shopped at one shop for goods which were rationed. You had to be registered with one shop to obtain rationed goods. So a visit to a shop other than that you were registered with, was a waste of time if you wanted rationed food.

Nowadays companies use loyalty cards to induce customers to shop with them. Maybe they will impose their own form of rationing. The purchase of some goods will only be allowed if you are a registered loyalty card holder. Digital technology will be used by companies to ascertain if you have a loyalty card with another company.

George Orwell’s 1984 wasn’t so far fetched as some critics claimed.

Danny

Posted by: Dave Grieve 20th Mar 2020, 02:36am

One of our supermarket chains has come up with the initiative to open every Wednesday morning between 7 and 8 for pensioners only.
ID has to be shown at the door to gain entry.
Its a pleasure walking about without getting into trolley jams and finding all the shelves and fridges full.

Posted by: wombat 20th Mar 2020, 07:31am

rolleyes.gif spotted a mob of boer goats this morning, rolleyes.gif wait for weather to cool down,

then a lead aspirin for a couple of em, f.ck aldi ill get my own meat. yes.gif

Posted by: ashfield 20th Mar 2020, 08:33am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 20th Mar 2020, 02:36am) *
One of our supermarket chains has come up with the initiative to open every Wednesday morning between 7 and 8 for pensioners only.
ID has to be shown at the door to gain entry.
Its a pleasure walking about without getting into trolley jams and finding all the shelves and fridges full.


They're trying that here but the effectiveness has been patchy. Staff in Sainbury's said younger folk were going into the store and they had no power to stop them.

Posted by: ashfield 20th Mar 2020, 08:44am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 19th Mar 2020, 10:05pm) *
Ashfield, I note that you went to three companies shops, Aldi, Lidl and Tesco. The following response is not directed at you personally. I am just using your post to illustrate the difference between now and World War 2. I am aware that none of the three companies you mention were in existence in the UK during the War.

During the war you would have only shopped at one shop for goods which were rationed. You had to be registered with one shop to obtain rationed goods. So a visit to a shop other than that you were registered with, was a waste of time if you wanted rationed food.

Nowadays companies use loyalty cards to induce customers to shop with them. Maybe they will impose their own form of rationing. The purchase of some goods will only be allowed if you are a registered loyalty card holder. Digital technology will be used by companies to ascertain if you have a loyalty card with another company.

George Orwell’s 1984 wasn’t so far fetched as some critics claimed.

Danny


Danny, I understand your point but, as you say in your earlier post, there is no rationing (yet?). We were not out hunting for provisions, we use these shops (albeit over several days) regularly as we like particular stuff from each store. As it happens, we have become less fussy but it was still a struggle to get the things we needed.

I got a nice wee email from M&S yesterday (some of you may have got the same one) telling me how easy it is to freeze milk, butter, cheese etc. Well M&S thanks, that's all we need, the greedy, selfish ******** emptying the stores of that as well angry.gif

Posted by: DannyH 20th Mar 2020, 09:34am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 20th Mar 2020, 08:44am) *
Danny, I understand your point but, as you say in your earlier post, there is no rationing (yet?). We were not out hunting for provisions, we use these shops (albeit over several days) regularly as we like particular stuff from each store. As it happens, we have become less fussy but it was still a struggle to get the things we needed.

I got a nice wee email from M&S yesterday (some of you may have got the same one) telling me how easy it is to freeze milk, butter, cheese etc. Well M&S thanks, that's all we need, the greedy, selfish ******** emptying the stores of that as well :angry:

Ashfield, we use the same tactic that you use, ie we got to the three shops on different occasions to buy different items.

I agree with your comment about M&S.

I am always surprised how in times of crisis, there is always someone who makes you laugh.
Yesterday I was at our local shopping centre. I had just come out from W.H. Smith after buying a newspaper. There was an elderly gent sitting on a seat outside of it. He had a plastic cup with coffee in his hand and he was moaning about something. I went over to console him, keeping the required distance between us. I asked him what was wrong. He said he lives alone, goes to Costa nearly every day. The staff know him, but they wouldn’t let him, or anyone else, sit inside or outside the cafe. It was takeaway or nothing.

So we got talking about other matters. He told me he had been a member of the local Golf Club since he was a teenager. He then started to laugh. The Golf Club has just presented him with free life membership. He is 90!

Danny

Posted by: Dave Grieve 20th Mar 2020, 10:48am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 20th Mar 2020, 10:33am) *
They're trying that here but the effectiveness has been patchy. Staff in Sainbury's said younger folk were going into the store and they had no power to stop them.

One of the pluses of a National ID card. That plus security at the door to make sure only pensioners get in.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 20th Mar 2020, 05:41pm

Have to agree with all the above posts about the selfish scumbags who are bulk buying with no thought for others, if everyone done their normal shop there would be no problem whatsoever.

I can't imagine how they'd react in a real emergency. unsure.gif

Posted by: wombat 20th Mar 2020, 05:58pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 20th Mar 2020, 05:41pm) *
Have to agree with all the above posts about the selfish scumbags who are bulk buying with no thought for others, if everyone done their normal shop there would be no problem whatsoever.

I can't imagine how they'd react in a real emergency. unsure.gif



cool.gif ZOMBIE APOCOLYPSE yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 20th Mar 2020, 08:03pm


Posted by: Kemedian 20th Mar 2020, 09:44pm


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-51983317/nicola-sturgeon-covid-19-is-the-biggest-challenge-of-our-lifetimes
QUOTE (Nicola Sturgeon FM @ 20th March 2020)
In recent days, we've been asked to make changes to our lives that would have been unimaginable a few weeks ago. Covid-19 is the biggest challenge of our lifetimes. The number of cases is set to rise sharply, we must do all we can to slow it down and save lives.

So, I want to talk to you directly about what we can all do to help, and offer some words of reassurance in what I know is an anxious time. All of us must act now to slow the spread of the virus. Washing our hands regularly is important, but we must also reduce the number of people we meet and come into contact with. That means staying at home if you or anyone in your house has a high temperature or a new and persistent cough. For all of us it means working from home if possible, avoiding public transport, and not socialising in groups.

We've also asked people to stay away from crowded places, like pubs, restaurants and cinemas. But I can confirm that, in light of advice this afternoon, from our scientists and the Chief Medical Officer, that there must be strict compliance for that to be effective. I am now asking restaurants, cafes, pubs, gyms, and cinemas to close.

I know how difficult this is, but it is vital to reduce our risk of getting the virus, and to reduce the risk of affecting those who are most vulnerable of becoming seriously ill or dying. In short, it will save lives. It also gives our NHS the best chance of coping. We've put the NHS on an emergency footing. We're taking steps to increase the capacity of our hospitals and intensive care wards. But those who work in our Health and Social Care Services will be tested like never before.

Most of us have friends and family working in the NHS. My own sister and sister-in-law are among them. The debt of gratitude we owe all of them is enormous.

Covid-19 is a health emergency, but the steps we take to deal with it are causing disruption in our economy too. Alongside your concern about the virus, many of you are deeply worried about your jobs and your income. The Scottish Government will do all we can to support you. As Government we are asking you to take unprecedented steps, so the level of support we provide to you must be unprecedented in return.

Finally, a crisis like this will have an impact on wellbeing and mental health. To older people, we are asking you to stay away from your grandkids, from the people you love. That's hard, but it is for your protection, so you can stay around to see them grow up. To children, I know this is a strange time, you're away from school and won't be able to spend as much time with friends. The adults around you are probably feeling a bit anxious too, so help them, follow their advice, study and do your homework. But don't forget to have fun, and wash your hands.

And let's all look out for each other. At times of crisis we need each other more, yet we're being told to stay apart. But we can still communicate and offer comfort. Modern technology is sometimes a curse, it can now be a lifeline. Phone or Skype loved ones. Text neighbours or drop a note through their door to see if they need help. Maybe even write a letter to your grandparents. Support your local business if you can, but please do not panic buy, there's plenty to go round if we all act responsibly.

We are entering stormy waters, and I can't tell you yet when we will reach dry land. I can promise you that as your First Minister I will do my upmost to lead us safely through, but I need your help. I need you to follow health advice, and I need you to look out for those around you. Theres no doubt that difficult days do lie ahead, but I close on a note of hope and belief. This crisis is reminding us just how fragile our World is, but it is also reminding us what really matters. Health. Love. Solidarity. With compassion and kindness, and with the dedication and expertise of our NHS, we can and we will get through this. Thank you for all you are doing to help.

Posted by: Kemedian 21st Mar 2020, 10:05am


Posted by: carmella 21st Mar 2020, 07:13pm

I do not believe for one second that the Chinese death toll is 4,000. The ppulation there is enormous.

i don’t believe them!

Posted by: DannyH 21st Mar 2020, 10:32pm

It is nice to know there are still many nice caring people in this world. Today, our next door neighbours on one side, knocked on our door and asked if there was anything they could do to help us in any way, including going shopping for us. No sooner had they gone, a very nice card was put through our letter box. It was from the neighbours on the other side. There was a message inside giving their home and mobile telephone numbers, saying we must get in touch with them if we needed any help including going to the shops.

Then another knock on the door. This time it was a young Polish neighbour.who lives in a flat close to our house. He does gardening work and DIY work for us. He told us that if we require any help, to phone him on his mobile. When you consider the problems he and his lovely partner are faced with, such as when will they get to see their families back home, the feel good factor kicks in.

All of the above good neighbours are young enough to be either our children or grandchildren. The houses they live in were once occupied by people of my generation who moved in at the same time as us. They are all dead, except one elderly lady who now lives in another area.

These younger people made my day.

Danny

Posted by: carmella 21st Mar 2020, 10:47pm

I’ve had the same Danny, it is handy to have their offer and contact details.

Posted by: DannyH 22nd Mar 2020, 10:13am

Carmella, It is nice to know you have had the offer of support.

Regards

Danny

Posted by: zascot 22nd Mar 2020, 11:00am

In our estate ( 63 houses) we have a whattsapp group so everyone is in contact, we have a good mix of young and old so its great.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 22nd Mar 2020, 11:26am

QUOTE (carmella @ 21st Mar 2020, 09:13pm) *
I do not believe for one second that the Chinese death toll is 4,000. The ppulation there is enormous.

i don’t believe them!

Agree with you and also don't believe they built a hospital of any size in any material in one day.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Mar 2020, 01:18pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 21st Mar 2020, 07:13pm) *
I do not believe for one second that the Chinese death toll is 4,000. The ppulation there is enormous.

i don’t believe them!


The difference is that China put the infected area on lockdown which stopped the virus spreading to the rest of the country, Italy and other European countries haven't which is why it has spread more.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 22nd Mar 2020, 01:25pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 22nd Mar 2020, 11:26am) *
Agree with you and also don't believe they built a hospital of any size in any material in one day.



I don't know what your qualifications in construction engineering are Dave but Construction expert David Hartley would probably disagree with you there.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-managed-build-entirely-new-hospital-in-10-days-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Mar 2020, 01:43pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd Mar 2020, 03:25pm) *
I don't know what your qualifications in construction engineering are Dave but Construction expert David Hartley would probably disagree with you there.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-managed-build-entirely-new-hospital-in-10-days-2020-2?r=US&IR=T




TEN days!

Posted by: DannyH 22nd Mar 2020, 01:50pm

Just made phone contact with my daughter who lives up North in the Aviemore area. She told me that the area is being put into chaos with a high influx of people from other areas of the UK. The local people are being deprived of obtaining food from the shops because camper vans and similar vehicles are queuing up in the road from very early in the morning and emptying the shelves.

Apparently the police had to be called in to intervene because of the mayhem.

I can’t understand why the managers of grocery stores don’t put a limit on the the quantity of ‘essential’ produce that customers can buy.

Our local Sainsbury’s shop has restricted the quantity of some products to customers. Having said that, a common practice now is for a couple to go into a supermarket and both of them take in a separate trolley.

If nothing else, this Coronavirus has brought to our attention how selfish we human beings can be. There are plenty of food supplies available.

As for a toilet rolls shortage. That is a joke. This product is made in the UK. The TV cameras went to one warehouse stocking this product. The warehouse workers were killing themselves with laughter. They were surrounded a mountain of toilet rolls.

Even the satirical magazine Private Eye has got in on the act. When I passed the magazine shelf in Sainsbury’, this magazine’s front cover, in bold large letters said,

FORTY EIGHT PIECES OF TOILET PAPER FREE WITH THIS ISSUE.

I noted that the magazine only had 24 pages. So you had to cut each page across the middle to obtain your 48 free sheets, which cost £2 by the way.

It brought back memories of life in many Glasgow tenements when I was a wee boy. Newspapers were used as toilet paper, and they were cut in half. There must be a historian on the Private Eye staff.

We had our own toilet, but many had a shared toilets. This enabled you to know what newspapers your neighbours read. The News of The World was the scandal paper back then. I used to like visiting my Granny. One of her neighbours supplied the toilet with the News of the World.

Danny

Posted by: DannyH 22nd Mar 2020, 01:50pm

Just made phone contact with my daughter who lives up North in the Aviemore area. She told me that the area is being put into chaos with a high influx of people from other areas of the UK. The local people are being deprived of obtaining food from the shops because camper vans and similar vehicles are queuing up in the road from very early in the morning and emptying the shelves.

Apparently the police had to be called in to intervene because of the mayhem.

I can’t understand why the managers of grocery stores don’t put a limit on the the quantity of ‘essential’ produce that customers can buy.

Our local Sainsbury’s shop has restricted the quantity of some products to customers. Having said that, a common practice now is for a couple to go into a supermarket and both of them take in a separate trolley.

If nothing else, this Coronavirus has brought to our attention how selfish we human beings can be. There are plenty of food supplies available.

As for a toilet rolls shortage. That is a joke. This product is made in the UK. The TV cameras went to one warehouse stocking this product. The warehouse workers were killing themselves with laughter. They were surrounded a mountain of toilet rolls.

Even the satirical magazine Private Eye has got in on the act. When I passed the magazine shelf in Sainsbury’, this magazine’s front cover, in bold large letters said,

FORTY EIGHT PIECES OF TOILET PAPER FREE WITH THIS ISSUE.

I noted that the magazine only had 24 pages. So you had to cut each page across the middle to obtain your 48 free sheets, which cost £2 by the way.

It brought back memories of life in many Glasgow tenements when I was a wee boy. Newspapers were used as toilet paper, and they were cut in half. There must be a historian on the Private Eye staff.

We had our own toilet, but many had a shared toilets. This enabled you to know what newspapers your neighbours read. The News of The World was the scandal paper back then. I used to like visiting my Granny. One of her neighbours supplied the toilet with the News of the World.

Danny

Posted by: DannyH 22nd Mar 2020, 01:50pm



Just made phone contact with my daughter who lives up North in the Aviemore area. She told me that the area is being put into chaos with a high influx of people from other areas of the UK. The local people are being deprived of obtaining food from the shops because camper vans and similar vehicles are queuing up in the road from very early in the morning and emptying the shelves.

Apparently the police had to be called in to intervene because of the mayhem.

I can’t understand why the managers of grocery stores don’t put a limit on the the quantity of ‘essential’ produce that customers can buy.

Our local Sainsbury’s shop has restricted the quantity of some products to customers. Having said that, a common practice now is for a couple to go into a supermarket and both of them take in a separate trolley.

If nothing else, this Coronavirus has brought to our attention how selfish we human beings can be. There are plenty of food supplies available.

As for a toilet rolls shortage. That is a joke. This product is made in the UK. The TV cameras went to one warehouse stocking this product. The warehouse workers were killing themselves with laughter. They were surrounded a mountain of toilet rolls.

Even the satirical magazine Private Eye has got in on the act. When I passed the magazine shelf in Sainsbury’, this magazine’s front cover, in bold large letters said,

FORTY EIGHT PIECES OF TOILET PAPER FREE WITH THIS ISSUE.

I noted that the magazine only had 24 pages. So you had to cut each page across the middle to obtain your 48 free sheets, which cost £2 by the way.

It brought back memories of life in many Glasgow tenements when I was a wee boy. Newspapers were used as toilet paper, and they were cut in half. There must be a historian on the Private Eye staff.

We had our own toilet, but many had a shared toilets. This enabled you to know what newspapers your neighbours read. The News of The World was the scandal paper back then. I used to like visiting my Granny. One of her neighbours supplied the toilet with the News of the World.

Danny

Posted by: Dave Grieve 22nd Mar 2020, 01:55pm

Don't think any expert would disagree with me about the build schedule Jagz that was reported here.
It was reported as 1 day with 24 hours being mentioned in the same story.

Thanks Bill.

I have been known to be involved in one or two construction jobs over the years.

Posted by: DannyH 22nd Mar 2020, 02:02pm

Don’t know how my above post is shown twice. Perhaps it is because of the toilet humour.

Danny

Posted by: Dave Grieve 22nd Mar 2020, 03:13pm

Went for a walk along the promenade this morning expecting it to be empty because the council have closed the beach.
Nobody told the holiday makers because it was packed and because there were no life guards on duty the people were spread along the surf line and not concentrated between the swimming flagsas the life guards would have had them.

Posted by: Kemedian 22nd Mar 2020, 04:15pm

Some of us seem harder to warn than others. Social distancing isn't normal, but some places are refusing to close and are even doing good business, according to media reports. Our governments are getting increasingly concerned about this. We should expect even more stringent restrictions on our movement this week. mellow.gif

Posted by: wombat 22nd Mar 2020, 06:48pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 20th Mar 2020, 03:36am) *
One of our supermarket chains has come up with the initiative to open every Wednesday morning between 7 and 8 for pensioners only.


went out to MY supermarket laugh.gif got this oinker.


 

Posted by: Dave Grieve 22nd Mar 2020, 08:34pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 22nd Mar 2020, 08:48pm) *
went out to MY supermarket laugh.gif got this oinker.


If its for the

Posted by: Dave Grieve 22nd Mar 2020, 08:37pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 22nd Mar 2020, 08:48pm) *
went out to MY supermarket laugh.gif got this oinker.


If its for the pot, no problem. My cousins grandson bagged quite a big Warthog a few weeks ago.
Personally I couldn't be bothered a supermarket more convenient.
To much trouble skinning, gutting and butchering it.

Posted by: Kemedian 23rd Mar 2020, 12:48pm

I wonder if Bilbo can tell us anything about how life is changing in Spain at the moment and what he's being asked to do to keep himself safe? The numbers affected are acute there. mellow.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 23rd Mar 2020, 01:39pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 23rd Mar t, 02:48pm) *
I wonder if Bilbo can tell us anything about how life is changing in Spain at the moment and what he's being asked to do to keep himself safe? The numbers affected are acute there. mellow.gif



We are virtually housebound here, apart from visits to supermarket for food (& drink), pharmacy, bank. Limited to driver of car only. Half the population wearing masks. Supermarkets restricted to so many entrants at one time. NO panic buying signs ! Any other details - feel free to ask.

Posted by: bilbo.s 23rd Mar 2020, 01:49pm

USE GOOGLE TRANSLATE.


http://www.canalsur.es/noticias/descienden-los-contagios-por-segundo-dia-consecutivo-en-andalucia/1566908.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=canalsur%20noticias&utm_term=e375deae-15f8-4907-88df-911d78485706&utm_content=&utm_campaign=

Posted by: bilbo.s 23rd Mar 2020, 01:50pm

Entered twice!

Posted by: Kemedian 23rd Mar 2020, 02:11pm

Thanks Bilbo. I reckon we're only a matter of weeks from similar conditions here.

How quickly did the Spanish Government react and how effective are its public safety measures, and on the flipside how cooperative have its citizens been on the whole?

So far here, our Governments have been very busy and yet hesitant to enforce any restrictions on our movement, but by the end of this week I suspect they'll have no option but to.

Posted by: zascot 23rd Mar 2020, 02:48pm

We are getting an update tonight, I think we will get a total lockdown. Army leave has all been cancelled and the are already moving into barracks in Jhb. With the amount of HIV and TB cases and lack of sanitation and running water in some areas I think we will have a problem keeping a lid on it.


Posted by: DannyH 23rd Mar 2020, 06:31pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 22nd Mar 2020, 01:25pm) *
I don't know what your qualifications in construction engineering are Dave but Construction expert David Hartley would probably disagree with you there.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-managed-build-entirely-new-hospital-in-10-days-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

Just as a wee aside, on reading the link Jagz provided, it reminded me of the Prefab houses built during the 1940’s in Canada, and were built in large numbers here in Scotland after World War 2.

They were supposed to be a temporary measure, but some of them were inhabited for many years after the war. I remember going to visit relatives in the Kirkcaldy area in the 1960’s, who lived in a Prefab. I thought it was a great wee house. The reintroduction of Prefabs in the UK could go some way to relieve the housing shortage.

I know. I have gone off topic!

Danny

Posted by: Kemedian 23rd Mar 2020, 08:24pm

Enforced lockdown announced across UK for general public.

What a sentence. mellow.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 23rd Mar 2020, 08:51pm


Posted by: DannyH 23rd Mar 2020, 09:49pm

Jagz, I trust you will now accept that the world is in the midst of a crisis.

Danny

Posted by: bilbo.s 23rd Mar 2020, 10:13pm

Protect the NHS? Who writes this comic's lines?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 09:06am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 23rd Mar 2020, 09:49pm) *
Jagz, I trust you will now accept that the world is in the midst of a crisis.

Danny


I never said there wasn't a crisis Danny, i still don't know anyone who's got Coronavirus or anyone who knows anyone who has it, i'm just asking questions, to date 499 have Covid-19 symptoms and 14 people have died of the virus here, i'd like to know how many have contracted and died with Influenza over the same period?

Once again, my sympathies not only go out to the families of those who have died of the Coronavirus, but to those who have died of influenza and other diseases (a lot more than 14) who no one seems to be bothering about.

Posted by: bilbo.s 24th Mar 2020, 10:26am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Mar 2020, 11:06am) *
I never said there wasn't a crisis Danny, i still don't know anyone who's got Coronavirus or anyone who knows anyone who has it, i'm just asking questions, to date 499 have Covid-19 symptoms and 14 people have died of the virus here, i'd like to know how many have contracted and died with Influenza over the same period?

Once again, my sympathies not only go out to the families of those who have died of the Coronavirus, but to those who have died of influenza and other diseases (a lot more than 14) who no one seems to be bothering about.



Just heard a young cousin of mine hs been confirmed in Plains, Airdrie. She is in her mid-20s and had hardly left the house in 3 weeks, having flu recently and she thought it had returned. She is the first case known to me personally.

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Mar 2020, 10:30am

Everybody just received a Government text to their mobile.
Everybody who doesn't have a designated job must stay at home.
Only essential shopping and exercising (once a day and alone) permitted, and Police will enforce this.

Stay strong, folks.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 10:56am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 24th Mar 2020, 10:26am) *
Just heard a young cousin of mine hs been confirmed in Plains, Airdrie. She is in her mid-20s and had hardly left the house in 3 weeks, having flu recently and she thought it had returned. She is the first case known to me personally.


I hope she makes a full recovery Bill, if she has no underlying health issues she should be ok, i'd still like to see the number of flu cases to make a comparison to get some sort of perspective as to how serious it's becoming.

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 24th Mar 2020, 10:30am) *
Everybody just received a Government text to their mobile.
Everybody who doesn't have a designated job must stay at home.
Only essential shopping and exercising (once a day and alone) permitted, and Police will enforce this.

Stay strong, folks.


Hear hear. yes.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Mar 2020, 11:49am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Mar 2020, 10:56am) *
I hope she makes a full recovery Bill, if she has no underlying health issues she should be ok.

I echo this bit.

Posted by: DannyH 24th Mar 2020, 01:30pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Mar 2020, 10:56am) *
I hope she makes a full recovery Bill, if she has no underlying health issues she should be ok, i'd still like to see the number of flu cases to make a comparison to get some sort of perspective as to how serious it's becoming.



Hear hear. :yes:

Bilbo, I sincerely hope the young lady makes a full recovery.


Jagz, are you for real? You want to make a comparison to enable you to get some perspective as to how serious it’s becoming? It is past the ‘becoming’ stage!!!!

Danny

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Mar 2020, 01:36pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 24th Mar 2020, 01:30pm) *
Jagz, are you for real? You want to make a comparison to enable you to get some perspective as to how serious it’s becoming? It is past the ‘becoming’ stage!!!!

Danny

Compassion and empathy at this time will go some way to getting through, Danny. Not everyone will cope well.

Posted by: bilbo.s 24th Mar 2020, 01:43pm

[quote name='DannyH' date='24th Mar 2020, 03:30pm' post='3743250']
Bilbo, I sincerely hope the young lady makes a full recovery.


Jagz, are you for real? You want to make a comparison to enable you to get some perspective as to how serious it’s becoming? It is past the ‘becoming’ stage!!!!

Danny
[/quot


Where in the Hell does that come from? I wasn't making comparisons!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 02:27pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 24th Mar 2020, 01:43pm) *
Where in the Hell does that come from? I wasn't making comparisons!


Danny was talking to me, he seems a bit annoyed that i'd like to know how many people are contracting and dying of Influenza during the same period, some on here appear to have a couldn't care less attitude to them.

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Mar 2020, 03:29pm

Are we all managing to stay confined to home, if so what's the view from your windows and gardens?

Out and about in my van today the streets that were busy yesterday are thankfully markedly less populated today. People on the whole appear to be heeding the instruction. I've got two weeks worth of food in the cupboard (that's a lot, with two young mouths to feed) so I'm managing to avoid the supermarket. smile.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 03:47pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 24th Mar 2020, 03:29pm) *
Are we all managing to stay confined to home, if so what's the view from your windows and gardens?

Out and about in my van today the streets that were busy yesterday are thankfully markedly less populated today. People on the whole appear to be heeding the instruction. I've got two weeks worth of food in the cupboard (that's a lot, with two young mouths to feed) so I'm managing to avoid the supermarket. smile.gif

Very quiet in Beith, it's like a Sunday, no kids out playing either. i do a day to day shop, i always have a full freezer so no need to stock up.

Posted by: carmella 24th Mar 2020, 04:25pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Mar 2020, 09:06am) *
I never said there wasn't a crisis Danny, i still don't know anyone who's got Coronavirus or anyone who knows anyone who has it, i'm just asking questions, to date 499 have Covid-19 symptoms and 14 people have died of the virus here, i'd like to know how many have contracted and died with Influenza over the same period?

Once again, my sympathies not only go out to the families of those who have died of the Coronavirus, but to those who have died of influenza and other diseases (a lot more than 14) who no one seems to be bothering about.

Well why don’t you look it up from a reputable source?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 24th Mar 2020, 05:04pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 24th Mar 2020, 04:25pm) *
Well why don’t you look it up from a reputable source?


I have tried to find accurate Scottish/UK figures but it's proving quite difficult to get recent figures, however, i did find this for the USA alone for this Winter 2019/20.

"In the U.S. alone, the flu has already caused an estimated 19 million illnesses, 180,000 hospitalizations and 10,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)"

But even though this was early in February this year these figures will be out of date now.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-does-the-new-coronavirus-compare-with-the-flu/

While i have grave concerns about the Covid-19 virus and as i've said have sympathy for the families of those who have died i can't understand why no one is concerned about the victims of a major killer that has been with us for much much longer.

Posted by: carmella 24th Mar 2020, 05:35pm

Statistics by their nature will be out if dat the next day. However, you would, I think need to compare like for like.

The USA is not a good example Jagz because of two things, population size and many people have no insurance for medical, even GP.

We need a figure for Scotland alone.

I thought I was a cynic but you beat me there Jagz! This virus is nothing like flu, if that’s how you are thinking.

It is a new virus and acts in a different way.

Posted by: Kemedian 24th Mar 2020, 05:52pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 24th Mar 2020, 05:35pm) *
It is a new virus and acts in a different way.

That's true, Carmella.

Jagz, your concerns are appreciated. There is much about this outbreak that is hard to comprehend. Those flu figures are startling, and if CV19 continues to spread at current rates then our worst fears may not be far down the road.

Amidst the challenges, there is some hopeful news going around. https://metro-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/metro.co.uk/2020/03/24/12000-ex-medics-answer-call-help-fight-coronavirus-12450563/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15850730659459&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fmetro.co.uk%2F2020%2F03%2F24%2F12000-ex-medics-answer-call-help-fight-coronavirus-12450563%2F

Posted by: DannyH 24th Mar 2020, 10:32pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 24th Mar 2020, 02:27pm) *
Danny was talking to me, he seems a bit annoyed that i'd like to know how many people are contracting and dying of Influenza during the same period, some on here appear to have a couldn't care less attitude to them.

Thanks Jagz for pointing out to Bilbo that I was addressing you. My apology to Bilbo. I should have responded to Jagz in a separate post. Sorry

Danny

Posted by: bilbo.s 24th Mar 2020, 10:42pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 25th Mar 2020, 12:32am) *
Thanks Jagz for pointing out to Bilbo that I was addressing you. My apology to Bilbo. I should have responded to Jagz in a separate post. Sorry

Danny



Apology accepted. I will treasure it always! laugh.gif

Posted by: DannyH 24th Mar 2020, 11:25pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 24th Mar 2020, 10:42pm) *
Apology accepted. I will treasure it always! :lol:

Just as I will always treasure your acceptance Bilbo.

Regards

Danny

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 12:52am

A timely truce ! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 01:08am

This virus IS bringing out the best in us, and we must learn from it; as all at once much wisdom is sadly being lost.

Posted by: carmella 25th Mar 2020, 12:51pm

Do we all recall a couple of weeks ago, the supermarkets telling people not to panic buy because “our warehouses have plenty of stock!”

Well, where is that stock? I think the supermarkets need to look to the future post Covid19, because for love nor money, I cannot get a delivery slot from any of those who deliver in Scotland, in my neck of the woods, that is only Tesco Sainsbury and ASDA for 3 weeks. I am one who didn’t panic buy.

Even on their websites, when you look there are no eggs, no butter, no bleach. But little shops in villages do have all three.

I think Amazon will do very well rough out this time.

How come doctors and nurses still have to reuse and wait for protective supplies, when Amazon do next day delivery!

Not only is it disgusting it is shameful. There is no contingency plans for events like this in the UK obviously.

As I type, it has just been announced that a 21 year old girl in Buckingham with no underlying health problems has died.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 12:54pm

So it's ok for some to ignore government advice about staying at home and self isolating? angry.gif

"The duke and duchess arrived in Scotland on Sunday. Charles had been displaying mild symptoms over the weekend and was tested by the NHS in Aberdeenshire on Monday".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52033845#

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 01:00pm

There is a slight chance that he may have infected his mum also, time will tell.

But what's your point, Jagz? The PM's stay at home order was only issued on Monday.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 03:12pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 16th Mar 2020, 06:00pm) *
No non-essential contact or travel, from today, across the country. Voluntary. Could yet become enforced. Schools open, for now.

Total lockdown can't be far off.

Good luck folks. confused2.gif



Do you forget posting this 9 days ago Kem? unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 03:14pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 01:00pm) *
There is a slight chance that he may have infected his mum also, time will tell.

But what's your point, Jagz? The PM's stay at home order was only issued on Monday.



Does he still live with his Mum?

You know fine well what my point is.

“This guidance is for people planning to visit second homes or holiday premises during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic.

“Essential travel does not include visits to second homes, camp sites, caravan parks or similar, whether for isolation purposes or holidays. People should remain in their primary residence.

“Not taking these steps puts additional pressure on communities and services that are already at risk.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/11184561/non-essential-travel-explained/

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 03:15pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:14pm) *
You know fine well what my point is.

Aside from having a dig at them, I'm sorry, I don't know what other point you could be making.

I hope he survives.

Posted by: ashfield 25th Mar 2020, 03:20pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 25th Mar 2020, 12:51pm) *
Do we all recall a couple of weeks ago, the supermarkets telling people not to panic buy because “our warehouses have plenty of stock!”

Well, where is that stock? I think the supermarkets need to look to the future post Covid19, because for love nor money, I cannot get a delivery slot from any of those who deliver in Scotland, in my neck of the woods, that is only Tesco Sainsbury and ASDA for 3 weeks. I am one who didn’t panic buy.

Even on their websites, when you look there are no eggs, no butter, no bleach. But little shops in villages do have all three.

I think Amazon will do very well rough out this time.

How come doctors and nurses still have to reuse and wait for protective supplies, when Amazon do next day delivery!

Not only is it disgusting it is shameful. There is no contingency plans for events like this in the UK obviously.

As I type, it has just been announced that a 21 year old girl in Buckingham with no underlying health problems has died.


Appears to depend where in the UK you live. Many folk are saying their shops have all goods in stock but I was at Tesco for the crinklies shopping this morning and they had no toilet rolls, no pasta, no rice, no eggs, virtually no frozen or tinned goods and a very limited stock of fresh vegetables and meat. There were many folk in the shop who were clearly well below the target age range and the "social distancing" rule was being broken most often by the Tesco home delivery staff. They have got their act together at the checkouts with airport style lines to keep customers apart but some seem to struggle with the concept. There was also a bit of tension in a couple of the queues, perhaps early signs of stress that some folk are under.

Posted by: ashfield 25th Mar 2020, 03:21pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:15pm) *
Aside from having a dig at them, I'm sorry, I don't know what point you're making.

I hope he survives.


Well, if he had symptoms over the weekend should he not have stayed at home like the rest of us are being told to do?

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 03:23pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:21pm) *
Well, if he had symptoms over the weekend should he not have stayed at home like the rest of us are being told to do?

I think he did go home (to one of his many residences!).

Posted by: ashfield 25th Mar 2020, 03:36pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:23pm) *
I think he did go home (to one of his many residences!).


Well, if you're going to play the (very) stupid card then there's no point in discussing this any further.

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 03:51pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:36pm) *
there's no point in discussing this any further.

There's no discussion.



QUOTE (Nicola Sturgeon FM @ 20th March 2020)
This crisis is reminding us just how fragile our World is, but it is also reminding us what really matters. Health. Love. Solidarity. With compassion and kindness, and with the dedication and expertise of our NHS, we can and we will get through this.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 04:10pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:15pm) *
Aside from having a dig at them, I'm sorry, I don't know what other point you could be making.

I hope he survives.


I'm not having a dig at him anymore than i was having a dig at the morons who had traveled from all over the UK in their campervans to Fort William at the Weekend to self isolate against government warnings that you yourself had posted on here six day's before it.

“No non-essential contact or travel, from today, across the country".

If you can't see the point then you've ran out of feet to shoot yourself in. yes.gif

I wish him no ill, i hope he survives too, but his reckless selfish actions could cost others their lives.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 04:13pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 03:23pm) *
I think he did go home (to one of his many residences!).



“Essential travel does not include visits to second homes, camp sites, caravan parks or similar, whether for isolation purposes or holidays. People should remain in their primary residence"

Or do you think that advice is wrong?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 04:17pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 25th Mar 2020, 12:51pm) *
Do we all recall a couple of weeks ago, the supermarkets telling people not to panic buy because “our warehouses have plenty of stock!”

Well, where is that stock? I think the supermarkets need to look to the future post Covid19, because for love nor money, I cannot get a delivery slot from any of those who deliver in Scotland, in my neck of the woods, that is only Tesco Sainsbury and ASDA for 3 weeks. I am one who didn’t panic buy.

Even on their websites, when you look there are no eggs, no butter, no bleach. But little shops in villages do have all three.

I think Amazon will do very well rough out this time.

How come doctors and nurses still have to reuse and wait for protective supplies, when Amazon do next day delivery!

Not only is it disgusting it is shameful. There is no contingency plans for events like this in the UK obviously.

As I type, it has just been announced that a 21 year old girl in Buckingham with no underlying health problems has died.


Totally agree Carmella, sympathies to the girls family.

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 04:31pm

"Off-licences have been added to the government's list of essential UK retailers allowed to stay open"


Smiled when I read this. happy.gif
What idiot closed them!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 05:03pm

Apologies to Kem, i was wrong to accuse the Duke of Rothesay of skipping the North East NHS queue. laugh.gif




 

Posted by: Kemedian 25th Mar 2020, 05:33pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 25th Mar 2020, 05:03pm) *
Apologies to Kem

No need to go that far.

There's not much but there is some humour to be had, however the actual story here is that he (of all people) has contracted a virus that not many among his age group is surviving. Let's hope the clearly bigger version of this story doesn't need reporting over the days to come.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 05:58pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 05:33pm) *
There's not much but there is some humour to be had, however the actual story here is that he (of all people) has contracted a virus that not many among his age group is surviving. Let's hope the clearly bigger version of this story doesn't need reporting over the days to come.


So you still don't think he was reckless to travel from England to the North East against government and medical experts advice (that even you posted on here) putting others at risk and putting a strain on the local NHS? unsure.gif

Posted by: wombat 25th Mar 2020, 07:09pm

QUOTE (Kemedian @ 25th Mar 2020, 05:33pm) *
No need to go that far.

There's not much but there is some humour to be had, however the actual story here is that he (of all people) has contracted a virus that not many among his age group is surviving. Let's hope the clearly bigger version of this story doesn't need reporting over the days to come.


told an aussie bricklayer pal about chick havin corona virus,and his reply was "stiff shit,"
he got his crown didnt he? rolleyes.gif gotta love that aussie humor tongue.gif

p.s.some aussie slang is double talk .

stiff shit means "who cares hope hes constipated as well" tongue.gif

Posted by: carmella 25th Mar 2020, 07:30pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 25th Mar 2020, 05:03pm) *
Apologies to Kem, i was wrong to accuse the Duke of Rothesay of skipping the North East NHS queue. laugh.gif

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Posted by: wombat 25th Mar 2020, 07:34pm

tongue.gif rolleyes.gif


 

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 09:37pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 25th Mar 2020, 07:34pm) *
tongue.gif rolleyes.gif


Don't believe him pal, he used to say he played with Rangers, he never did. wink.gif

His so called reality TV shows killed half the planet with boredom. yes.gif

Posted by: Dykejumper 25th Mar 2020, 10:22pm

strange co-incidence.....

Were you — out of quarantine boredom perhaps — to Google "patron saint of pandemics," you might be surprised by the results.

"It's incredible but it's seemingly true – there is a Saint Corona and she is one of the patrons of pandemics," according to the website of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Lansing, Michigan.

Even more incredible, the diocese claims, the remains of the second-century saint are in northern Italy, the epicenter of the recent outbreak of the coronavirus in Europe.

The diocese cites Gloria.tv, a website for Catholic news and memes, as its source for the claims about St. Corona.

St. Corona's purported patronage against pandemic and plague also has been pointed out on social media and on popular Catholic website Aleteia.

"She's been viral online," the Rev. Rich Pagano said in March 16 episode of The Catholic Show podcast noting that people were praying to the saint in northern Italy.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 25th Mar 2020, 10:51pm

Wow, i thought i had too much to drink tonight DJ? laugh.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 26th Mar 2020, 04:32am

We have a 21 day lockdown starting at midnight and in a rush to beat the lockdown tens of thousands of migrant workers are loading onto packed buses trains and taxis headed for all the neighbouring countries.
A better way to spread the virus throughout Africa couldn't have been thought up

Posted by: wombat 26th Mar 2020, 06:35am

rolleyes.gif "isolation" is normal for us bushies,so no probs. yes.gif

closest neighbour 10 ks.

Posted by: ashfield 26th Mar 2020, 08:18am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 25th Mar 2020, 10:51pm) *
Wow, i thought i had too much to drink tonight DJ? laugh.gif


I thought St Corona was the patron saint of fizzy drinks unsure.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 26th Mar 2020, 08:22am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 26th Mar 2020, 04:32am) *
We have a 21 day lockdown starting at midnight and in a rush to beat the lockdown tens of thousands of migrant workers are loading onto packed buses trains and taxis headed for all the neighbouring countries.
A better way to spread the virus throughout Africa couldn't have been thought up


Crazy. The lockdown here was always on the cards but rules were drip fed on an increasing basis to prevent that kind of reaction. Social media got ahead of the game which is why we've had panic buying. No problem for some though, having BBQs or keeping pubs open rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 26th Mar 2020, 10:04am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 26th Mar 2020, 04:32am) *
A better way to spread the virus throughout Africa couldn't have been thought up


Absolutly bonkers Dave, governments don't know what they're doing, they're making it up as they go along, they introduce rules and guidelines without thinking them through, public transport here is running a Sunday service, with fewer buses and trains which means that the ones that are running are overcrowded, it would have been far better to put extra transport on to allow more space between passengers.

Posted by: Kemedian 26th Mar 2020, 12:01pm

https://www-glasgowlive-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/nhs-workers-given-huge-round-17982954.amp?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15852246544549&amp_ct=1585224711147&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.glasgowlive.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fglasgow-news%2Fnhs-workers-given-huge-round-17982954


https://www.thanksamillionnhs.co.uk/


clap.gif 8pm clap.gif



Posted by: ashfield 26th Mar 2020, 01:12pm

I wonder who at ITV2 thought it was good idea to put on the film "Contagion" tonight unsure.gif

For those of you haven't seen this, it deals with a virus sweeping the world huh.gif

Posted by: Kemedian 26th Mar 2020, 01:27pm

Haven't seen it, Ash, and I guess don't need to now. If it's effective in getting the remaining sceptics indoors then it will be a good thing.

Posted by: beth 26th Mar 2020, 02:29pm

Think that was bad Dave, you should have been here in wee Warner Beach today. TRAFFIC JAMS for heaven's sake. Worse than Christmas and New Year put together. Beaches closed. Food ok Bottle stores empty. Glad I got my gin and vino in time. Feel sorry for the wee shop keepers as they depend on the season visitors, but no beach so what is the point of going to the seaside. Mind you lots of GP cars

Posted by: JAGZ1876 26th Mar 2020, 04:35pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 26th Mar 2020, 01:12pm) *
I wonder who at ITV2 thought it was good idea to put on the film "Contagion" tonight unsure.gif

For those of you haven't seen this, it deals with a virus sweeping the world huh.gif



Does anyone watch ITV2? wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 26th Mar 2020, 04:46pm

clap.gif https://inews.co.uk/news/health/clap-for-our-carers-nhs-applause-workers-when-time-8pm-tonight-2516885

Posted by: Dave Grieve 26th Mar 2020, 05:03pm

If your going to get away from the crowds for the next 21 days Warner Beach would be a good choice.
Probably why its full of Joburgers.

Posted by: DannyH 26th Mar 2020, 10:31pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 26th Mar 2020, 01:12pm) *
I wonder who at ITV2 thought it was good idea to put on the film "Contagion" tonight :unsure:

For those of you haven't seen this, it deals with a virus sweeping the world :huh:

I agree with your sentiments regarding Contagion. I was also dismayed about the number of other TV channels which had programmes which had murder as the main theme. That is all we need on top of the TV coverage given to the Coronavirus crisis!

Probably the highlight of the night was the hand clapping at 8pm. A bit miffed. I didn’t see myself in the TV news reports coverage.

Danny

Posted by: Dave Grieve 27th Mar 2020, 04:53am

Interesting read

https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

Posted by: carmella 27th Mar 2020, 08:30am

I have tried unsuccessfully to find out the following:-

If we stay isolated for the next 12 weeks (at least) and get the all clear that we can now go about our normal day-to-day lives, how do we know we can’t still get this virus. Our guard will be down, I think!

Posted by: ashfield 27th Mar 2020, 08:49am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 26th Mar 2020, 10:31pm) *
I agree with your sentiments regarding Contagion. I was also dismayed about the number of other TV channels which had programmes which had murder as the main theme. That is all we need on top of the TV coverage given to the Coronavirus crisis!

Probably the highlight of the night was the hand clapping at 8pm. A bit miffed. I didn’t see myself in the TV news reports coverage.

Danny


I watch more TV than is good for me, some is the highbrow type you would expect a person of my intellect ( rolleyes.gif ) to tune into but a lot of it is mindless rubbish. I'm grateful for decent news reports but the amount of coverage on TV has been OTT (in my humble opinion). The decision to show this film was crass and tasteless and the messing around with schedules has also been irritating. I'm not oblivious to the current situation but, with us all stuck at home, a little light relief would be very welcome.

Posted by: ashfield 27th Mar 2020, 08:53am

QUOTE (carmella @ 27th Mar 2020, 08:30am) *
I have tried unsuccessfully to find out the following:-

If we stay isolated for the next 12 weeks (at least) and get the all clear that we can now go about our normal day-to-day lives, how do we know we can’t still get this virus. Our guard will be down, I think!


Carmella, I think this is why many have been saying that testing is necessary to establish who has had it and who has immunity. As it stands, I can't see how we can return to any kind of normality in three months without knowing that information.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 09:41am

QUOTE (carmella @ 27th Mar 2020, 08:30am) *
I have tried unsuccessfully to find out the following:-

If we stay isolated for the next 12 weeks (at least) and get the all clear that we can now go about our normal day-to-day lives, how do we know we can’t still get this virus. Our guard will be down, I think!


Something i've been asking for a while Carmella, i have a friend who finishes his two week isolation tomorrow who may now have to stay at home if he can't return to work, he still doesn't know if he had it or not or if he will still get it.

Maybe if he was a Royal he'd have been tested by now. wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 09:45am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 08:49am) *
I'm not oblivious to the current situation but, with us all stuck at home, a little light relief would be very welcome.


If you don't already have them i would suggest getting Amazon Prime and Netflix Ash, terrific selection of original TV shows and films, as well as old favourites, and you decide when to watch them. wink.gif

Posted by: ashfield 27th Mar 2020, 09:54am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 27th Mar 2020, 09:45am) *
If you don't already have them i would suggest getting Amazon Prime and Netflix Ash, terrific selection of original TV shows and films, as well as old favourites, and you decide when to watch them. wink.gif


Hey, ah'm a pensioner. Dae yi' think ah'm made o' money laugh.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 27th Mar 2020, 10:14am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 11:54am) *
Hey, ah'm a pensioner. Dae yi' think ah'm made o' money laugh.gif

Amazon Firestick is your friend Ash.
We have Netflix and all sorts of entertainment apps on the Firestck but find ourselves watching Youtube more often than not.
The selection of films and TV series is unbelievable.
£30 odd to buy, nothing else after that except monthly broadband

Posted by: ashfield 27th Mar 2020, 10:57am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 27th Mar 2020, 10:14am) *
Amazon Firestick is your friend Ash.
We have Netflix and all sorts of entertainment apps on the Firestck but find ourselves watching Youtube more often than not.
The selection of films and TV series is unbelievable.
£30 odd to buy, nothing else after that except monthly broadband


Thanks Dave but I don't think it has much to offer us. We've got smart TVs which are linked to our broadband already so all the catchup channels are there already. We don't subscribe to anything outside of our TV licence.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 27th Mar 2020, 11:03am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 12:57pm) *
Thanks Dave but I don't think it has much to offer us. We've got smart TVs which are linked to our broadband already so all the catchup channels are there already. We don't subscribe to anything outside of our TV licence.

OOPS

Posted by: carmella 27th Mar 2020, 11:08am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 08:53am) *
Carmella, I think this is why many have been saying that testing is necessary to establish who has had it and who has immunity. As it stands, I can't see how we can return to any kind of normality in three months without knowing that information.

Dave we are living in unprecedented times. I totally agree with you. I would hate to think that I’m trying to keep myself “safe” only to catch it when I get freedom to mingle again.


Posted by: carmella 27th Mar 2020, 11:10am

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 27th Mar 2020, 09:41am) *
Something i've been asking for a while Carmella, i have a friend who finishes his two week isolation tomorrow who may now have to stay at home if he can't return to work, he still doesn't know if he had it or not or if he will still get it.

Maybe if he was a Royal he'd have been tested by now. wink.gif

You hit on something there, plus we should all be members of the royals, you can bet your bottom sterling they have all been tested!

Posted by: carmella 27th Mar 2020, 11:41am

I can’t get butter and eggs online for all the tea in China, from online supermarket shop for April 1sr.

We live in a nation of farmers, so how come?

I am beginning to think the supermarket CEOs have been told something the rest of the UK population have not.

Whilst I can appreciate delivery slots are all showing “sold out”, when you do manage to get a slot, eggs and butter show “OUT OF STOCK” across ASDA, SAINSBURY, TESCO and ICELAND who are the only supermarket deliveries for the Ayr and Prestwick surrounding small towns and villages.


Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 11:59am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 09:54am) *
Hey, ah'm a pensioner. Dae yi' think ah'm made o' money laugh.gif


Dave hit the nail on the head Ash, £30 for a Firestick and think of the money you'll save when you cancel the EBC... sorry, the BBC licence tax. wink.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 12:01pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 10:57am) *
Thanks Dave but I don't think it has much to offer us. We've got smart TVs which are linked to our broadband already so all the catchup channels are there already. We don't subscribe to anything outside of our TV licence.



You get a larger selection of quality shows and selection of movies than your smart TV can provide though. yes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 12:04pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 27th Mar 2020, 11:41am) *
I can’t get butter and eggs online for all the tea in China, from online supermarket shop for April 1sr.


If i lived closer to you Carmella i'd give you a dozen of my own free range eggs. wink.gif

Posted by: ashfield 27th Mar 2020, 12:35pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 27th Mar 2020, 12:01pm) *
You get a larger selection of quality shows and selection of movies than your smart TV can provide though. yes.gif


Sorry, I don't get that JAGZ. According to the online blurb, it requires further subscriptions to Netflix, Hulu etc to get more channels? Am I missing something?

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 01:35pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 12:35pm) *
Sorry, I don't get that JAGZ. According to the online blurb, it requires further subscriptions to Netflix, Hulu etc to get more channels? Am I missing something?


Netflix is about £5.99 per month, Amazon i can't remember (it's through my DD payments) but those two alone would be less than £20 per month, but as Dave say's you have access to YouTube, and also BBC I Player, ITV Player as well as other channels too included.

I'm not trying to sell you anything Ash, just pointing you to better options that put you in control. wink.gif

Posted by: ashfield 27th Mar 2020, 02:31pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 27th Mar 2020, 01:35pm) *
Netflix is about £5.99 per month, Amazon i can't remember (it's through my DD payments) but those two alone would be less than £20 per month, but as Dave say's you have access to YouTube, and also BBC I Player, ITV Player as well as other channels too included.

I'm not trying to sell you anything Ash, just pointing you to better options that put you in control. wink.gif


Cheers JAGZ, I just wondered if I was missing something. I already get all the iplayers, YouTube and can get subscription channels like netflix on my smart TV already. Apparently I could also use it to surf the internet but why I would want to do that is another question unsure.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 05:29pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 02:31pm) *
Cheers JAGZ, I just wondered if I was missing something. I already get all the iplayers, YouTube and can get subscription channels like netflix on my smart TV already. Apparently I could also use it to surf the internet but why I would want to do that is another question unsure.gif


You could always take up knitting? laugh.gif

Posted by: carmella 27th Mar 2020, 05:51pm

Netflix £5.99 and Amazon Prime £7.99. I wouldn’t be without either!

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 05:56pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 27th Mar 2020, 05:51pm) *
Netflix £5.99 and Amazon Prime £7.99. I wouldn’t be without either!


Thanks Carmella, i couldn't remember Amazon off the top of my head. laugh.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 27th Mar 2020, 06:24pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 27th Mar 2020, 04:31pm) *
Cheers JAGZ, I just wondered if I was missing something. I already get all the iplayers, YouTube and can get subscription channels like netflix on my smart TV already. Apparently I could also use it to surf the internet but why I would want to do that is another question unsure.gif

There is a lot more to the Firestick than the Apps that come with it.
I have 'sideloaded' over the years a lot of IPTV Apps. The one I use most at the moment is called LiveLounge using that one I have access to all the English language channels in the world regardless of country. TVTAP is another one that gives you all the English country's channels. LiveSports TV gives me all the Celtic games.
Thats probably why I watch YouTube out of preference there's far to much choice.

Posted by: ashfield 27th Mar 2020, 06:32pm

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 27th Mar 2020, 06:24pm) *
There is a lot more to the Firestick than the Apps that come with it.
I have 'sideloaded' over the years a lot of IPTV Apps. The one I use most at the moment is called LiveLounge using that one I have access to all the English language channels in the world regardless of country. TVTAP is another one that gives you all the English country's channels. LiveSports TV gives me all the Celtic games.
Thats probably why I watch YouTube out of preference there's far to much choice.


Clearly I need to do more research yes.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 27th Mar 2020, 07:32pm

Seriously off-topic, but maybe that's a good thing!

Posted by: carmella 27th Mar 2020, 08:23pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 27th Mar 2020, 07:32pm) *
Seriously off-topic, but maybe that's a good thing!

Wrong!

Off topic only applies in the discussion forum “Other Discussions”.

General Discussions forums are for relaxed general discussions.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 27th Mar 2020, 08:24pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 27th Mar 2020, 07:32pm) *
Seriously off-topic, but maybe that's a good thing!


Keeping ourselves entertained is a good thing and it's still relevant to the virus emergency thread, it's better than "What did your Daddy do during the war?" laugh.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 27th Mar 2020, 11:15pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 27th Mar 2020, 10:23pm) *
Wrong!

Off topic only applies in the discussion forum “Other Discussions”.

General Discussions forums are for relaxed general discussions.




Oh, pardonnez -moi, madame! Since when is ContrAvirus a subject for "relaxed general discussions"? I see! Since you introduced ( and misspelt) its topic in the wrong category!

Posted by: carmella 27th Mar 2020, 11:53pm

Rubbish, it is in the right category.

Posted by: zascot 28th Mar 2020, 11:57am

Hi Carmella my sons friend Chad Cocking is a Safari Guide at Tanda Tula and they have opened up a You Tube " Tanda Tula Sofa Safaris" Just to give people something to watch while we are on lockdown.I know you love wildlife so give it a go.
I will probably get picked out as off topic by the usual idiot but tough sh--. Maybe I should make some mistakes to give them something to do.

Posted by: carmella 28th Mar 2020, 12:17pm

QUOTE (zascot @ 28th Mar 2020, 11:57am) *
Hi Carmella my sons friend Chad Cocking is a Safari Guide at Tanda Tula and they have opened up a You Tube " Tanda Tula Sofa Safaris" Just to give people something to watch while we are on lockdown.I know you love wildlife so give it a go.
I will probably get picked out as off topic by the usual idiot but tough sh--. Maybe I should make some mistakes to give them something to do.

Haha, oh that’s an understatement Zas, I absolutely love wildlife, and can never understand cruelty towards animals, or any kind of mistreatment

You are right, I will check out the You Tube channel.

Yes tough titi.

I post where I want to post. If, however, I had wanted everyone to stay “on topic”, then I would have posted in the “Other Discussions” forum! At least we all add comments in a friendly manner rather than the comments aimed at others’ comments, descriptions or grammar, sadly this comes from a lack of education and upbringing.

Onwards and upwards. thumbup.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 28th Mar 2020, 12:22pm

Thank you for your sympathy.

Posted by: zascot 28th Mar 2020, 01:09pm

Carmella you could start your answers in French and try to look clever. I think some of the other discussion have past their sell by date.

Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Mar 2020, 01:55pm

QUOTE (zascot @ 28th Mar 2020, 11:57am) *
my sons friend Chad Cocking


He would have had the P**s taken out of him with a name like that at my school? laugh.gif

Posted by: carmella 28th Mar 2020, 03:02pm

I love this board and will never leave it for its comedic value.

Keep on trucking, fill your boots!,

Posted by: carmella 28th Mar 2020, 03:11pm

QUOTE (zascot @ 28th Mar 2020, 01:09pm) *
Carmella you could start your answers in French and try to look clever. I think some of the other discussion have past their sell by date


Wat 'n wonderlike idee wat jy my gegee het. sou dit nie iets wees nie! clap.gif

Posted by: ashfield 28th Mar 2020, 06:08pm

After my complaint about the inappropriate film on ITV a few days ago, I have to applaud the Sony channel for something more fitting today.

They put on The Hoarse Whisperer huh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 28th Mar 2020, 06:22pm

Sometimes it's hard not to laugh at the state we've got ourselves into.

I went to my local pharmacy this morning to pick up a repeat prescription, in the last few days they've had full sized perspex counter screens installed (understandably). My next port of call was the nearby (self employed) newsagent who had self erected a large sheet of polythene along the whole length of his counter with a wee hole at one end to buy stuff through. I understand and applaud him but there was still a touch of the Monty Pythons about it all rolleyes.gif

Posted by: JAGZ1876 28th Mar 2020, 06:40pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 28th Mar 2020, 06:22pm) *
I understand and applaud him but there was still a touch of the Monty Pythons about it all rolleyes.gif


Just don't take your dead parrot back to the pet shop Ash. laugh.gif

Posted by: Dave Grieve 28th Mar 2020, 09:42pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 28th Mar 2020, 05:11pm) *
Wat 'n wonderlike idee wat jy my gegee het. sou dit nie iets wees nie! clap.gif


clap.gif clap.gif
Uitstekende liefling

Posted by: carmella 28th Mar 2020, 10:00pm




Dankie Dave, dit is lanklaas dat ek daardie taal gebruik het!
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Posted by: bilbo.s 28th Mar 2020, 11:15pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 29th Mar 2020, 12:00am) *
Dankie Dave, dit is lanklaas dat ek daardie taal gebruik het!
sign_lol.gif


Om pret te hê, julle twee? Ek hoop dat almal anders is!

Posted by: DannyH 29th Mar 2020, 12:33am

I wonder if anyone else has noticed the absurdity of the modern world. The Coronavirus started in China. China up until relatively recently was light years behind the West when it came to manufacturing industries.

So fast forward the clock. The West now relies on China for most manufactured products. So much so that Spain is now in dispute with China. Products related to human protection from Coronavirus were purchased by Spain from China. These have turned out to be substandard.

South Korea is now one of the countries exporting these products to the West.

What does that tell us about the West?

One of the Western companies which is being credited with stepping in to manufacture this type of equipment is Dyson. This company moved much of its manufacturing to the Far East some time ago.

British health workers are putting their lives on the line, because the UK doesn’t have the manufacturing facilities it once had. Not so long ago, the Central Belt of Scotland could and would have manufactured sufficient protective equipment for all of the NHS staff throughout the UK.

Danny

Posted by: DannyH 29th Mar 2020, 12:55am

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 27th Mar 2020, 11:15pm) *
Oh, pardonnez -moi, madame! Since when is ContrAvirus a subject for "relaxed general discussions"? I see! Since you introduced ( and misspelt) its topic in the wrong category!


Bilbo

You live in Spain. According to reports, Spain is suffering a high rate of deaths from this Coronavirus plague. I cannot comprehend how your mind works. Hundreds of people in the country you live in are dying daily, and you are critical of someone else’s spelling!

I sincerely, really really sincerely, hope you are never wheeled in on a trolley. I can just picture you complaining to the ambulance crew that their grammar was incorrect.

Danny

Posted by: carmella 29th Mar 2020, 07:27am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 29th Mar 2020, 01:55am) *
Bilbo

You live in Spain. According to reports, Spain is suffering a high rate of deaths from this Coronavirus plague. I cannot comprehend how your mind works. Hundreds of people in the country you live in are dying daily, and you are critical of someone else’s spelling!

I sincerely, really really sincerely, hope you are never wheeled in on a trolley. I can just picture you complaining to the ambulance crew that their grammar was incorrect.

Danny


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Posted by: Dave Grieve 29th Mar 2020, 08:25am

Danny the only reason the West had an industrial boom after the industrial revolution is because none of the employers had discovered cheap Chinese sweatshop labour yet.

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Mar 2020, 09:04am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 29th Mar 2020, 02:55am) *
Bilbo

You live in Spain. According to reports, Spain is suffering a high rate of deaths from this Coronavirus plague. I cannot comprehend how your mind works. Hundreds of people in the country you live in are dying daily, and you are critical of someone else’s spelling!

I sincerely, really really sincerely, hope you are never wheeled in on a trolley. I can just picture you complaining to the ambulance crew that their grammar was incorrect.a

Danny



In the face of adversity, should we abandon all standards?

Posted by: carmella 29th Mar 2020, 09:04am

QUOTE (zascot @ 28th Mar 2020, 12:57pm) *
Hi Carmella my sons friend Chad Cocking is a Safari Guide at Tanda Tula and they have opened up a You Tube " Tanda Tula Sofa Safaris" Just to give people something to watch while we are on lockdown.I know you love wildlife so give it a go.
I will probably get picked out as off topic by the usual idiot but tough sh--. Maybe I should make some mistakes to give them something to do.

Thank you so much for telling me.

I have now completed my “sofa safari” what a brilliant idea, because people have had to cancel their Safari bookings due to Covid-19, these guys are able to give us an armchair version. The narrative and the filming made me feel as if I was there, just terrific.

Beautiful animals undisturbed going about their lives in their natural habitats, the call of the lion telling others where he was, and beautiful mighty elephants with a tiny baby elephant in their midst.

The Zebras didn’t get the memo about social distancing unfortunately, but still managed to keep the flies away LoL

I have subscribed to the channel, so looking forward to more.

Thank you for pointing me in their direction as I would never have known! thumbup.gif

Posted by: DannyH 29th Mar 2020, 09:20am

QUOTE (Dave Grieve @ 29th Mar 2020, 08:25am) *
Danny the only reason the West had an industrial boom after the industrial revolution is because none of the employers had discovered cheap Chinese sweatshop labour yet.

Hi Dave

Yes, I agree with you, but I also give the Chinese leaders credit for having the savvy to realise that rather than go to war with the Capitalist West, the way forward for China was to adopt Capitalist principles when it comes to manufacturing. They knew the Western manufacturing bosses would be lining up to move their manufacturing to China.

I guess that helps to save reruns of the Korean War.

Danny

Posted by: JAGZ1876 29th Mar 2020, 09:37am

The Tories playing favourites with peoples live. yes.gif


https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/18339699.worcesters-gtech-told-not-produce-much-needed-ventilators-government-chief-executive-says/

Now if Gtech had only donated to the Tory party or vocally supported Brexit. wink.gif

Posted by: zascot 29th Mar 2020, 11:41am

[quote name='carmella' date='29th Mar 2020, 10:04am' post='3743377']
Thank you so much for telling me.

I have now completed my “sofa safari” what a brilliant idea,

Glad you enjoyed it. That is my life 1 week every month except now with the lockdown. The bush gives you a new outlook on nature, to be in the wild with them is something else. I`ve known Chad since he was a toddler, he is one of the best photographers of wildlife I know.

There are a couple of other similar feeds which are on all year round I will get info on them and get it to you.

Posted by: carmella 29th Mar 2020, 11:47am

I envy you those trips. I can’t wait for more. You will hopefully be able to get out there once again soon.

When I went over to South Africa to visit my cousin Johnnie on occasion, I thought what a wonderful nature reserve the whole open spaces were, learned a wee bit of the lingo too, amazing what I remember!

Stay safe biggrin.gif


Posted by: zascot 29th Mar 2020, 12:11pm

Lockdown Safari.






Posted by: carmella 29th Mar 2020, 01:00pm

Laughter and lighthearted banter on the GGBB who would have thought it!

Great picture!

Posted by: zascot 29th Mar 2020, 02:03pm

Carmella, got that picture off of our Leopard Group. Another Safari Programme on Utube is " Wildearth Safari Live" also in Kruger but a different area, Kruger Park is bigger than Wales and the wildlife can roam anywhere so plenty variety.
Don`t think you are in the wrong country if you hear one of the young female Safari guides with a Scottish accent she is also good.

Posted by: DannyH 29th Mar 2020, 02:44pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 29th Mar 2020, 10:04am) *
In the face of adversity, should we abandon all standards?

Bilbo, how about trying to lose your high and mighty attitude. Another 838 people have died overnight in Spain. The country you reside in, and you come on to this website and talk about standards in grammar and spelling.

You are a hypocrite. The following is a copy of a post you addressed to me. It is on the Scottish Independence referendum topic, dated 15 March 2020. You wrote,

“ I have never claimed to be resident in Scotland and to memory have never used ‘we’ in reference to that fact. Gaun ye auld shit-stirrer”.

So for someone who is the self appointed Spelling and Grammar police, you obviously have much lower standards than many of the people you have berated on this forum. You are just one arrogant, but, pitiful person.

Danny


Posted by: carmella 29th Mar 2020, 03:12pm

QUOTE (zascot @ 29th Mar 2020, 03:03pm) *
Carmella, got that picture off of our Leopard Group. Another Safari Programme on Utube is " Wildearth Safari Live" also in Kruger but a different area, Kruger Park is bigger than Wales and the wildlife can roam anywhere so plenty variety.
Don`t think you are in the wrong country if you hear one of the young female Safari guides with a Scottish accent she is also good.

Thanks, I will also check that one out. I have seen a docu a couple of years ago, Kruger is vast, an amazing place.

We Scots get everywhere.... laugh.gif

Posted by: carmella 29th Mar 2020, 03:13pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 29th Mar 2020, 03:44pm) *
Bilbo, how about trying to lose your high and mighty attitude. Another 838 people have died overnight in Spain. The country you reside in, and you come on to this website and talk about standards in grammar and spelling.

You are a hypocrite. The following is a copy of a post you addressed to me. It is on the Scottish Independence referendum topic, dated 15 March 2020. You wrote,

“ I have never claimed to be resident in Scotland and to memory have never used ‘we’ in reference to that fact. Gaun ye auld shit-stirrer”.

So for someone who is the self appointed Spelling and Grammar police, you obviously have much lower standards than many of the people you have berated on this forum. You are just one arrogant, but, pitiful person.

Danny

Well said Danny!

Posted by: bilbo.s 29th Mar 2020, 04:16pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 29th Mar 2020, 04:44pm) *
Bilbo, how about trying to lose your high and mighty attitude. Another 838 people have died overnight in Spain. The country you reside in, and you come on to this website and talk about standards in grammar and spelling.

You are a hypocrite. The following is a copy of a post you addressed to me. It is on the Scottish Independence referendum topic, dated 15 March 2020. You wrote,

“ I have never claimed to be resident in Scotland and to memory have never used ‘we’ in reference to that fact. Gaun ye auld shit-stirrer”.

So for someone who is the self appointed Spelling and Grammar police, you obviously have much lower standards than many of the people you have berated on this forum. You are just one arrogant, but, pitiful person.

Danny



Thank you, dear friend, for your kind and thoughtful words. You really have made my day and my life more tolerable during this bleak time.

Posted by: wombat 29th Mar 2020, 06:07pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 29th Mar 2020, 04:16pm) *
Thank you, dear friend, for your kind and thoughtful words. You really have made my day and my life more tolerable during this bleak time.


tongue.gif Aaaw the nice laugh.gif

Posted by: DannyH 29th Mar 2020, 06:26pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 29th Mar 2020, 07:07pm) *
:P Aaaw the nice :lol:

Ah Wombat, I can always rely on you to support another Amigo, Bilbo.

Danny

Posted by: wombat 29th Mar 2020, 06:35pm

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Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 08:05am

QUOTE (zascot @ 29th Mar 2020, 03:03pm) *
Carmella, got that picture off of our Leopard Group. Another Safari Programme on Utube is " Wildearth Safari Live" also in Kruger but a different area, Kruger Park is bigger than Wales and the wildlife can roam anywhere so plenty variety.
Don`t think you are in the wrong country if you hear one of the young female Safari guides with a Scottish accent she is also good.

I have Wild earth safaris up on my desktop to watch later, also big cat ones too.

I love to watch Gordon Buchanan’s broadcasts If you haven’t seen any of his stuff, give it a go. I had no idea that Russians Lynx, some people are kind but others hunt them. “Snow cats and me with Gordon Buchanan”. He is a terrific wildlife cameraman, lives in Glasgow!

I am watching the news this morning, and as I anticipated the experts think life will not return to normal for at least 6 months.

They must ascertain even post lockdown, that there is no chance of any of us still getting this virus, once we let our guard down. A prospect that worries me.

Posted by: Dykejumper 30th Mar 2020, 11:38am

Councils are cancelling uplifting of recyclable waste because of the virus.

Posted by: carmella 30th Mar 2020, 02:14pm

DJ, I haven’t heard this at all. I will check out South Ayrshire Council’s website, but if this is so, and one of life’s essentials in my humble opinion, it only tells us they are not providing the proper care for their workers. I can only assume they have been properly advised to do so. I

I just checked their website, and although the #ituation may change the only bins they will not collect (from 23rd March) are garden waste and bulk uplift. Food waste and general household waste will continue to be collected?

Posted by: wombat 30th Mar 2020, 07:17pm

laugh.gif took the neighbour and a trailer full o dead batteries to the scrap dealer yesterday

scrap lead has lost a third of its value bcos of the virus laugh.gif

the local shop/supermarket(40mile away) got burgled ,

for toilet rolls ,cleaning agents and ciggies rolleyes.gif

Posted by: DannyH 30th Mar 2020, 10:54pm

Once again the news reports highlight how unprepared the UK is in dealing with the Coronavirus crisis. Another young doctor has died. Why? He didn’t have the necessary protective equipment.

It is disgusting that a so called advanced society relies on receiving this type of equipment from other countries, particularly China and South Korea.

Germany, applying their usual efficiency in matters such as this, is far more ahead of the rest of Europe in the supply of testing equipment.

Apparently the EU is in disarray in coping with this crisis. It is every man for himself. There is no central policy. Now is the time for the EU officials to show leadership in dealing with this crisis. It won’t happen.

As for the UK. In my opinion this is a golden opportunity for the UK to show the rest of the world that we still have the necessary skills to survive this crisis, by implementing innovative manufacturing techniques to produce the protective and testing equipment required to fight this virus.

Danny

Posted by: JAGZ1876 31st Mar 2020, 10:46am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 30th Mar 2020, 11:54pm) *
Once again the news reports highlight how unprepared the UK is in dealing with the Coronavirus crisis. Another young doctor has died. Why? He didn’t have the necessary protective equipment.

It is disgusting that a so called advanced society relies on receiving this type of equipment from other countries, particularly China and South Korea.

Germany, applying their usual efficiency in matters such as this, is far more ahead of the rest of Europe in the supply of testing equipment.

Apparently the EU is in disarray in coping with this crisis. It is every man for himself. There is no central policy. Now is the time for the EU officials to show leadership in dealing with this crisis. It won’t happen.

As for the UK. In my opinion this is a golden opportunity for the UK to show the rest of the world that we still have the necessary skills to survive this crisis, by implementing innovative manufacturing techniques to produce the protective and testing equipment required to fight this virus.

Danny


Westminster is in total disarray Danny, and i'd say that the EU is coping far better and is looking after it's equal member states.

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/articles/news/eu-announces-%E2%82%AC37-billion-coronavirus-investment-initiative

And instead of sneering at the Chinese and South Koreans you should be outraged at your UK governments refusal to work with Johnny Foreigner in bringing in much needed ventilators.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/joeydurso/coronavirus-eu-uk-ventilators

And Germany is coping better in this crisis as it has always funded and managed it NHS properly as the wellbeing of her people is paramount unlike the UK where personal greed and self interest comes into play.

And there is no "golden opportunity" for the UK to show the world anything apart from it's own gross incompetence.

Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 12:17pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 31st Mar 2020, 11:46am) *
Westminster is in total disarray Danny, and i'd say that the EU is coping far better and is looking after it's equal member states.

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/articles/news/eu-announces-%E2%82%AC37-billion-coronavirus-investment-initiative

And instead of sneering at the Chinese and South Koreans you should be outraged at your UK governments refusal to work with Johnny Foreigner in bringing in much needed ventilators.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/joeydurso/coronavirus-eu-uk-ventilators

And Germany is coping better in this crisis as it has always funded and managed it NHS properly as the wellbeing of her people is paramount unlike the UK where personal greed and self interest comes into play.

And there is no "golden opportunity" for the UK to show the world anything apart from it's own gross incompetence.


Jagz, the EU is coping far better and looking after its member states? Give us a break

I haven’t sneered at China. What I have done is expressed the view that the West has moved its manufacturing to China, and now we are paying the price.

You have obviously missed the report that Spain has received protection equipment from China which is substandard.


Your comment about the German NHS sounds good. Your comments about the UK NHS is derogatory.
I am alive because of it. Had a heart attack in 1987. Well looked after. Prostrate problems, ten years ago. Well looked after.

The difference between Germany and the UK is, Germany opted for getting testing equipment in large quantities. So if the Eu is so united, why hasn’t it made this equipment available to countries like Italy and Spain. Don’t give us the crap about a united Europe. It is every man for himself.

Danny



Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 01:11pm

An open personal message to Jagz

Would you please tell us all if you are still of the opinion that this Coronavirus is a lot of hype?

You are a great one for criticising Trump, as indeed many of us are including myself. However you and he expressed the view that this Coronavirus was nothing to bother about. In fact you went one better than him. You feel that the ‘flu is of more of a threat to humanity than Coronavirus. I say you feel that way, because you have never intimidated that you have changed you mind.

Still waiting until you personally know someone who has contracted the Coronavirus, Nero ?

Danny

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 02:00pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 31st Mar 2020, 03:11pm) *
An open personal message to Jagz

Would you please tell us all if you are still of the opinion that this Coronavirus is a lot of hype?

You are a great one for criticising Trump, as indeed many of us are including myself. However you and he expressed the view that this Coronavirus was nothing to bother about. In fact you went one better than him. You feel that the ‘flu is of more of a threat to humanity than Coronavirus. I say you feel that way, because you have never intimidated that you have changed you mind.

Still waiting until you personally know someone who has contracted the Coronavirus, Nero ?

Danny



Sarcasm & name-calling alert!


Posted by: JAGZ1876 31st Mar 2020, 02:37pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 31st Mar 2020, 01:17pm) *
Your comments about the UK NHS is derogatory.
I am alive because of it. Had a heart attack in 1987. Well looked after. Prostrate problems, ten years ago. Well looked after.



Danny


How dare you accuse me of making derogatory comments about our NHS (there is no UK NHS) i made no such comment, i am a supporter of our NHS and workers, if you have a shred of decency you should apologies and delete your disgusting slur.

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 03:53pm

No problem! He should have no difficulty prostrating himself at your feet!

Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 05:14pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 31st Mar 2020, 04:53pm) *
No problem! He should have no difficulty prostrating himself at your feet!

Ah, one of the other plonkers of the Amigos is ganging up as expected. Another 800 people have died in his country of residence, Spain, in the last 24 hours, and this waste of space smart Alec can’t wait to submit another childish post. A professional accountant? A frustrated money cruncher would be a more apt description.

Danny

Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 05:28pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 31st Mar 2020, 03:37pm) *
How dare you accuse me of making derogatory comments about our NHS (there is no UK NHS) i made no such comment, i am a supporter of our NHS and workers, if you have a shred of decency you should apologies and delete your disgusting slur.

Jagz, see my following post responding to what you have stated above.

Danny

Posted by: wombat 31st Mar 2020, 05:50pm

rolleyes.gif Ah danny some of the insults you come out with tongue.gif

still i suppose your enjoying yourself ,thats the main thing thumbup.gif

Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 06:14pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 31st Mar 2020, 11:46am) *
Westminster is in total disarray Danny, and i'd say that the EU is coping far better and is looking after it's equal member states.

https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/articles/news/eu-announces-%E2%82%AC37-billion-coronavirus-investment-initiative

And instead of sneering at the Chinese and South Koreans you should be outraged at your UK governments refusal to work with Johnny Foreigner in bringing in much needed ventilators.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/joeydurso/coronavirus-eu-uk-ventilators

And Germany is coping better in this crisis as it has always funded and managed it NHS properly as the wellbeing of her people is paramount unlike the UK where personal greed and self interest comes into play.

And there is no "golden opportunity" for the UK to show the world anything apart from it's own gross incompetence.


Jagz, I will apologise to you when you apologise to me. I have never sneered at China or South Korea.
What I did say is, that the West had transferred their manufacturing to China.

Germany is coping better because it recognised that testing equipment was essential to getting on top of this virus.

You seem to be an expert on the Germany. You say it has always funded and managed its NHS properly.,I am not saying it hasn’t. I just want to know how you know this? Was that before or after the Iron Curtain fell.

Your claim that the EU is coping better and is looking after member states is absurd. It is every man for himself. There is no central policy. You are really brainwashed washed by you obsession with the EU.

You claim you never watch the BBC. Well I think should should stop spending hours looking for links, and just go to the BBC news channel, 231.

Today it went to a refugee camp on Lesbos, a Greek island. The camp was meant to hold a few thousand people. It now has 18000. No continuous fresh water supply. Inadequate toilet facilities. The refugees have to queue up for long periods to get bottled drinking water. Food is in scarce supply. There are thousands of young children in that camp.

What I help is the EU giving? Nothing.

The Italian daily death rate is still very high. The latest figure from Spain is in excess of 800 during the last 24 hours. So for god’s sake Jagz, please cut the crap about the EU’s solidarity.

You still haven’t said you believe the WORLD is in crisis. I wouldn’t like to be a friend or an acquaintance of yours. You are waiting for one of them to be struck down with the Coronavirus. That is what you said. Well actually you said, that as you don’t know anybody with this virus, you feel it is a load of hype, and that the flu is responsible for more deaths than Coronavirus.

Danny

Posted by: Dykejumper 31st Mar 2020, 06:50pm

Its now been estimated that the virus is nearly 7 times more deadly than flu.

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 06:50pm

It seems to me that you are the one brainwashed by your hatred of the EU.

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 06:53pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 31st Mar 2020, 07:14pm) *
Ah, one of the other plonkers of the Amigos is ganging up as expected. Another 800 people have died in his country of residence, Spain, in the last 24 hours, and this waste of space smart Alec can’t wait to submit another childish post. A professional accountant? A frustrated money cruncher would be a more apt description.

Danny




Gaun, ya silly old fart!

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 07:00pm

QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 31st Mar 2020, 08:50pm) *
Its now been estimated that the virus is nearly 7 times more deadly than flu.



7 times? I guess this must be slim consolation to those who have died from influenza over the years ( thousands!) , knowing that they have succumbed to an inferior affliction.

Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 07:11pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 31st Mar 2020, 07:53pm) *
Gaun, ya silly old fart!

Oh dear, the Grammar and Spelling policeman is now revealing his true self.

A note to other readers. If the numpty Bilbo ever pulls you up for bad grammar or spelling, please remember to quote this latest post to me. Doesn’t he have a wonderful mastery of English spelling and grammar. Och I forgot he is good with numbers. Probably uses his fingers.

Danny

Posted by: wombat 31st Mar 2020, 07:17pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 31st Mar 2020, 07:11pm) *
Och I forgot he is good with numbers. Probably uses his fingers.

Danny


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like this danny




 

Posted by: wombat 31st Mar 2020, 07:18pm

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Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 07:23pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 31st Mar 2020, 08:00pm) *
7 times? I guess this must be slim consolation to those who have died from influenza over the years ( thousands!) , knowing that they have succumbed to an inferior affliction.

Oh dear, the Amigos are coming out in force supporting one another. Bilbo lives in Spain. Ach only 800 or so people died today from the Coronavirus in Spain. Bilbo is waiting for Jagz to come back and throw in his weight regarding influenza. The World Health Organisation is also waiting for the Amigos approval to call the Coronavirus a world wide crisis. If only.

Seriously Bilbo, I can’t believe that someone living in Spain for the number of years you have, can be so insensitive about the high death rate in Spain attributed to the Coronavirus. I bet you won’t send a readers letter to any Spanish newspaper expressing your above view.

Danny



Danny

Posted by: Dave Grieve 31st Mar 2020, 07:23pm

Well heres my tuppence worth after searching as much 'independent' information as I can.
It is without a doubt mass panic and hysteria by most of the worlds governments.
As one German doctor commented when asked about the political reaction to the Corona Virus.
"If a patient comes to a doctor and the doctor treats the patient who later dies. Nobody blames the doctor. If a patient comes to a doctor who doesn't offer any treatment and the patient dies everybody blames the doctor.
Politicians are like doctors, they have to be seen doing something even if its not necessary"
in Japan or South Korea if someone dies in
hospital of a heart attack, stroke or whatever caused the death that is what is recorded as the cause of death even if its discovered the also had Covid-19.
In Italy and Spain as soon as Covid -19 is found that is automatically recorded as cause of death.
In Italy the average age of corona death is 78 years. in Italy the average life expectancy is 82.
In Switzerland this past week a 100 year old woman died, automatically the cause of death was Covid-19.
Personally I don't think its all hype. I think we are victims of mass hysteria.
Even the main person who advised the UK goverment of 500000 deaths has now come out with dramatically reduced figures.

Posted by: bilbo.s 31st Mar 2020, 09:15pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 31st Mar 2020, 09:11pm) *
Oh dear, the Grammar and Spelling policeman is now revealing his true self.

A note to other readers. If the numpty Bilbo ever pulls you up for bad grammar or spelling, please remember to quote this latest post to me. Doesn’t he have a wonderful mastery of English spelling and grammar. Och I forgot he is good with numbers. Probably uses his fingers.

Danny





Perhaps you would care to point out errors in grammar or spelling, you silly old fart? I knowwhere I would like to use my fingers !

Posted by: DannyH 31st Mar 2020, 09:25pm

QUOTE (wombat @ 31st Mar 2020, 08:17pm) *
:rolleyes:
like this danny

Wombat thank you for the photo of Bilbo.

Danny