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> Scottish Independence, About voting yes/no
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DannyH
post 15th Oct 2019, 10:12pm
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Do your own research Danny, you'll do anything to go off topic, you still never answered my question about whether they joined up with Spain/France in a union of equal partners, if you can't address this question then you have to concede my point that they are not comparable to the union that exists between Scotland and England.

Jags, I have already stated that the Basques predated Spain. I just Googled for that information. What do you want me to do, research 2000 years of history.

One of the men who lived up the same close as my family, fought with the International Brigade in Spain. I should have asked the numpty when did the Basques join up with Spain.

Why are you getting so heated up about it. Complain to the Basques and Catalonians. Ask THEM, “Don’t you know you are Spanish?

What is all the fuss about. Get a life.

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post 15th Oct 2019, 10:49pm
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QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 15th Oct 2019, 04:00pm) *
Hi Danny, I've been trying to remain neutral to the greater part but when I read this ...



... I had to get mu tuppence worth in.

I dont think that during the concept of our wonderful Naytional Health Service that doctors or hospital staff might have been instructed only to take care of those with"genuine" health issues.
Is adying man to be assessed on whether his health issue is a "genuine" health issue or not?
I reecall many years ago at Crossmaloof Ice Rink that the first aiders wouldn't treat anyone whom they thought had been fighting (as happened to a friend who was so busy watching a fair young maiden bend to fasten her skates just as we were leaving, that he didn't see the door which he was about to pass through coming straight into his face as some one entered.
Even with the blood scooshing out of face the first aiders probably thought he wasn't a genuine heealth issue.
Is that how you see things?
A taxi to The Royal was our next step but they didn't ask there if he'd been involved in a brawl which might also have been classed there as not a genuine case by some one

Only saying; as they say :rolleyes:


I don’t know what is going on Tomi, but this is my third attempt to reply to you.

So I will once again start by saying, don’t come the old soldier. You know fine well I was referring to the serious drug related problems in Scotland.

Your reference to the ice rink and the Royal, are pathetic, and have no connection to my concerns of drug misuse in Scotland.

If you lived here you would be aware that what started out as a problem in city deprived areas, has now spread to leafy suburbs and little country villages.

Local police stations have been shut down across the country. Centralisation is now the norm. As a result the drug dealers can operate in relative safety from being caught.

The SNP imposed a tax on alcohol. They now claim success. The reduction in alcohol consumption in Scotland, equates to one half pint per week. Presumably this means per person.

Their answer to the drug taking problem, is to make it illegal to deal in drugs, but not illegal to take them. A drug baron’s idea of heaven. Get drugs brought over by the ton in fruit vans. Let some numpties sell them on the street for you. Watch the rise in drug taking in Scotland. Oh I am sorry, I forgot you don’t live here. It is all a big joke to you.

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post 16th Oct 2019, 03:28am
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 15th Oct 2019, 11:49pm) *
Oh I am sorry, I forgot you don’t live here. It is all a big joke to you.

Danny

I've never thought it really relevant if a Scot lives in his/her homeland or not, if commenting on their homeland's issues - unless they are doing so nastily, but even then they are still entitled to their opinion. We all have different aims and ambitions in life which might take us far from our shores and loved ones, that certainly doesn't mean that we can't have an opinion on how it's run.

I still live here and will till I peg it, that doesn't give me any more right to voice my concerns than any other Scot born here (that now lives in another country) to do the same.

I'm a great believer in compromise - which is a fairly simple concept for intelligent creatures - but sadly, I'm finding it very difficult to see any evidence of compromise in your posts on this thread. You've got the rag between your teeth and ripping it apart, there's no way back from that attitude.

In my humble opinion of course. rolleyes.gif


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post 16th Oct 2019, 04:56am
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I like your post Weeman,as an expat,I care deeply for my home country,I didn`t leave it `cos I didn`t like it,but I find I read these contentious issue posts,but don`t contribute as I don`t know enough about what`s happening,I just know I feel deeply for the people who still live there and see their country going down a road that isn`t acceptable to anyone.
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post 16th Oct 2019, 07:48am
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QUOTE (Weeman @ 16th Oct 2019, 04:28am) *
I've never thought it really relevant if a Scot lives in his/her homeland or not, if commenting on their homeland's issues - unless they are doing so nastily, but even then they are still entitled to their opinion. We all have different aims and ambitions in life which might take us far from our shores and loved ones, that certainly doesn't mean that we can't have an opinion on how it's run.

I still live here and will till I peg it, that doesn't give me any more right to voice my concerns than any other Scot born here (that now lives in another country) to do the same.

I'm a great believer in compromise - which is a fairly simple concept for intelligent creatures - but sadly, I'm finding it very difficult to see any evidence of compromise in your posts on this thread. You've got the rag between your teeth and ripping it apart, there's no way back from that attitude.

In my humble opinion of course. rolleyes.gif


Good post Weeman thumbup.gif


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post 16th Oct 2019, 08:07am
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QUOTE (taurus @ 16th Oct 2019, 05:56am) *
I like your post Weeman,as an expat,I care deeply for my home country,I didn`t leave it `cos I didn`t like it,but I find I read these contentious issue posts,but don`t contribute as I don`t know enough about what`s happening,I just know I feel deeply for the people who still live there and see their country going down a road that isn`t acceptable to anyone.


Taurus, I have almost always found the contributions made to the boards by Scots living abroad useful and interesting. Scotland may be appear to be in the middle of a political storm, but it is still a great place to live, despite how it appears to be portrayed in some places and by some people.

All I can say to you, and to all Scots living away, please continue to contribute. We might not agree but no reasonable person will deny you the right to have your say.


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post 16th Oct 2019, 08:16am
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Excellent post, Weeman. I am heartily sick of having my opinions mocked by some, on the grounds that I retired somewhere with a bit more sunshine. I spent the first 65 years of my life in Scotland, my family are mostly there, and I receive my miserly pension from UK. How dare they deny my right to express my views! Thankfully they are in the minority, but still a sizeable one.


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post 16th Oct 2019, 09:49am
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QUOTE (Weeman @ 16th Oct 2019, 04:28am) *
I've never thought it really relevant if a Scot lives in his/her homeland or not, if commenting on their homeland's issues - unless they are doing so nastily



Spot on Weeman, it doesn't matter where a Scot lives, he or she is entitled to their opinion about their homeland, before, during and after the 2014 referendum there were several Scots living abroad contributing to that thread who were anti Scottish independence, while disagreeing with them i respected their right to voice their opinions.
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post 16th Oct 2019, 09:55am
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 15th Oct 2019, 11:12pm) *
Jags, I have already stated that the Basques predated Spain. I just Googled for that information. What do you want me to do, research 2000 years of history.

Why are you getting so heated up about it. Complain to the Basques and Catalonians. Ask THEM, “Don’t you know you are Spanish?

What is all the fuss about. Get a life.

Danny


If you've done your research then can you now answer my question about whether they joined up with Spain/France in a union of equal partners, if you can't address this question then you have to concede to my point that they are not comparable to the union that exists between Scotland and England.

I rarely get heated up, it is you who's getting hot under the collar, once again, can you tell me when i referred to the Basques and Catalonians as 'Spanish'?

I'm not the one making a fuss, and i have a full, busy and happy life thank you Danny.
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post 16th Oct 2019, 11:02am
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 16th Oct 2019, 10:55am) *
If you've done your research then can you now answer my question about whether they joined up with Spain/France in a union of equal partners, if you can't address this question then you have to concede to my point that they are not comparable to the union that exists between Scotland and England.

I rarely get heated up, it is you who's getting hot under the collar, once again, can you tell me when i referred to the Basques and Catalonians as 'Spanish'?

I'm not the one making a fuss, and i have a full, busy and happy life thank you Danny.

Jagz, we are going around in circles here making a fool of ourselves. If you think I have the time or desire to delve into the historical background of Spain and Basque history, you must think I have months of nothing else to do.

A quick look on Google references to this issue, will reveal it has a very complex history.

Suffice to say it is up to the Basques to decide which way they want to go.

I am beginning to feel like I am on trial every time I post on this website. The three Amigos and pals, have a field day with me.

Danny


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QUOTE (DannyH @ 16th Oct 2019, 12:02pm) *
Jagz, we are going around in circles here making a fool of ourselves. If you think I have the time or desire to delve into the historical background of Spain and Basque history, you must think I have months of nothing else to do.

A quick look on Google references to this issue, will reveal it has a very complex history.

Suffice to say it is up to the Basques to decide which way they want to go.

I am beginning to feel like I am on trial every time I post on this website. The three Amigos and pals, have a field day with me.

Danny


You admit there is no comparison then, good time to move on.

"The three Amigos and pals" now is it? laugh.gif

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QUOTE (DannyH @ 16th Oct 2019, 12:02pm) *
Jagz, we are going around in circles here making a fool of ourselves. If you think I have the time or desire to delve into the historical background of Spain and Basque history, you must think I have months of nothing else to do.

A quick look on Google references to this issue, will reveal it has a very complex history.

Suffice to say it is up to the Basques to decide which way they want to go.

I am beginning to feel like I am on trial every time I post on this website. The three Amigos and pals, have a field day with me.

Danny



Easy game!


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post 16th Oct 2019, 01:47pm
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QUOTE (DannyH @ 15th Oct 2019, 11:49pm) *
... Their answer to the drug taking problem, is to make it illegal to deal in drugs, but not illegal to take them. ... . It is all a big joke to you.

Danny


Hi Danny,

here's one of those wee (and very true) TeeHee stories:

I was once rushed into hospital to undergo a life or death emergency operation.
The probleem was that they had to fly a doctor up from London to East Anglia, where I was, to perform said op ( he happened to bee a Scotsman too) This meant a wait of seeveral hours with the greatest ppain I havee ever known in my life, before or after; and I have known pain but this was a real screamer.

After the 9 hour op I awake to find I'm alive and well suffering only post opperative pain which, in my book, is tolerable.

A young nightshift nurse looked in on me to find mee awake and thought that the pain was reesponsiblee for this but since I had been dosing off fairly regularly through the day and most of the night I supose it would be normal to be awake sometimes through the night ... but she would not have this: I must be in pain.
So she told me shee'd fetch me someething for the pain, which I've said as tolerable for me.
She came back with a neeedle and injecteed the conteent into my thigh and ...

... sent me away on a trip that almost blew my mind.

I don't know if I'm unusual but since the end of my childhood days I've never had that feeling described as fear (Mary holds this responsible for the many hairy situations I've found mysrlf in and the number of broken bones I've accumulated) but during that trip in the safety of a hospital ward I felt fear couppled with a reasurance and elation each time I opened my eyes to find that although my hands were still clasped as I'd last seen them above my abdomen and my feet were still in the same position at the end of the bed; which felt to be more than 6 foot off the floor floating in the air, I was actually enjoying this feear ... security ... fear ... elation ... sensation.
Their was also the added; and inexplicable, sound of what appeared to me at the time to be that of a large heavy chain being slowly dragged across a corrugated roof, which added to the fear sensation but turned out to be only the guy in the next bed filling a urine bottle rolleyes.gif

The nurse had given me morphine.

The next night when she past and found me awake asking if I was still in pain I said, "it;s terrible, nurse" and away I went again but this time, knowing what was going on, I had lost that fear sensation which I had enjoyed so much I was looking forward to it again.
Third night and I wanted to feel that fear and on the following day when the original sister ( coincidently also Scot from Glasgow who had attended me post operative) returned to her shift she was a bit annoyed at what she was reading on my bed card. "who's authorised this?" she wanted to know and of course was not interested in my explanation of the great ppain I'd found myself in.
We were by this time at Tuesday and I was scheduled to be released on the Saturday and had a few days to get off the morphine and out of bed and back onto my feet with a `zipped up' wound running from solar pleexis to abdomeen (I had beeen in bed all of the first 3 days) then I wouldn't be going home.

So that was that: my morphine experience in controlled environment, had ended as abruptly as it had begun.

So why am I teelling you this?

Those kids on drugs who you see as a burdon on the NHS and who should be subject to legal sentencing as `users' of illegal drugs are in fact victims of illegal drug dealers and pushers and should, as I see it, not be criminalised: look at the number of patients who are `hooked' on prescribed drugs such as pain killers, anti-depressants & etc. who are also a burdon on the NHS: not to mention alcohol abuse.

The dealers and pushers are the criminals.

The propposed change in the law is correct, civiliseed and long overdue.


BTW ... I don't think it's a joke at all so take your accusatory opinion and, please, put it where the sun dont shine tongue.gif


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QUOTE (Weeman @ 16th Oct 2019, 04:28am) *
I've never thought it really relevant if a Scot lives in his/her homeland or not, if commenting on their homeland's issues - unless they are doing so nastily, but even then they are still entitled to their opinion. We all have different aims and ambitions in life which might take us far from our shores and loved ones, that certainly doesn't mean that we can't have an opinion on how it's run.

I still live here and will till I peg it, that doesn't give me any more right to voice my concerns than any other Scot born here (that now lives in another country) to do the same.

I'm a great believer in compromise - which is a fairly simple concept for intelligent creatures - but sadly, I'm finding it very difficult to see any evidence of compromise in your posts on this thread. You've got the rag between your teeth and ripping it apart, there's no way back from that attitude.

In my humble opinion of course. :rolleyes:

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post 16th Oct 2019, 04:18pm
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Weeman

Before replying to your post, Something is happening every time I try to respond to posts on this website. I get the feeling that the Management wants rid of me!

So getting back to your post, if that is how you feel about things. Fine by me. Who am I to argue with you. In closing, the Scots who live outside Scotland will of course pick up the bill to fund the Scottish National Health Service, if we gain Independence?

We have the highest drugs related death rate in Europe. Great advert for Scotland. I wonder how many of the Scots living abroad boast about that achievement. They will probably wait until Scotland has the world record in that department. Well not all of them. Not the ones who can see where things are heading.

Anyway it is obvious that I am outgunned on here, so there is no point of me continuing. By the way a number of readers letters in newspapers from people living in Scotland, have expressed the same concern for the way Scotland is going, as I have. That is, the SNP is so fixed on us keeping in the EU, that is their main and only focus at the present time. Drug taking is of secondary importance.

Hope you all enjoy your wee supportive posts to each other, now that I am taking a hike.

Danny
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