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> Labour Routed In Glasgow, Every Labour MP in city loses their seat
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post 10th May 2015, 01:45pm
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QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th May 2015, 12:30pm) *
Scottish Labour got 700,000 votes (or half as many as the SNP) and got No seats, does no one else see how wrong and undemocratic that is?


Actually Labour got one seat (you may have been hiding under your bed when that result was announced laugh.gif ) but your beloved Tory and Labour union cartel refused to introduce PR when the SNP and other parties asked for it to be introduced as a fairer way to represent the votes cast, sticking to their favourite FPTP system which meant they kept the power between themselves.

Now the FPTP system has backfired on you in Scotland you are now crying foul, why didn't you complain in the 2010 General election when Labour got 1,035,528 votes and 41 seats in Scotland while the SNP got 491,386 votes (or half as many as Labour) but only got six seats, did you or no one else see how wrong and undemocratic that was?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election201...ts/region/7.stm

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post 10th May 2015, 01:56pm
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QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 10th May 2015, 01:12pm) *
These are not comparable. SNP votes came from an electorate pool of around 4 million, the UKIP votes came from an electorate pool of around ten times that. No SNP candidates stood in any constituency south of the border. Rather as there were no Plaid Cymru candidates standing against UKIP anywhere in Scotland.

the conservatives in Scotland got 800.000 votes and only 2 seats and Labour in Scotland who got 700,000 votes didn't get a single seat
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post 10th May 2015, 02:17pm
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Labour got 707,147 votes, the conservatives 434,097 and the Libdems 219,675. All of them returned one MP to Westminster.


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post 10th May 2015, 02:36pm
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 10th May 2015, 03:25pm) *
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Labour got 707,147 votes, the conservatives 434,097 and the Libdems 219,675. All of them returned one MP to Westminster.


He was definitely under his bed with his fingers in his ears then. laugh.gif
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post 10th May 2015, 03:03pm
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QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th May 2015, 03:04pm) *
the conservatives in Scotland got 800.000 votes and only 2 seats and Labour in Scotland who got 700,000 votes didn't get a single seat


When you're in a hole.................Stop digging. yes.gif
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post 10th May 2015, 09:06pm
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A great summary from Kevin McKenna writing in the Observer today on the story of Labour's long demise in Scotland:

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Scottish Labour has only itself to blame for its crucifixion

[...] You could say that it all began when Tony Blair brought forth his New Labour project, which, by his own admission, owed as much to the philosophy of Margaret Thatcher as it did to ideas of collectivism and working-class solidarity. But the seeds of Labour’s downfall in Scotland had been sown in Scotland before then.

Even in the 1980s, there was a growing unease that this party was dining out on the card vote of Scotland’s working-class communities but offering little in return, and it was during this period that a wicked and oft-repeated observation began to take root: that a monkey with a red rose pinned to it could stand in some seats in Lanarkshire and still get elected.

When Labour was returned to power in 1997, many of us were optimistic that its virtual three-term majority afforded it a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to bring forth a programme of socially progressive legislation that, if planned carefully, would prove difficult for future right-wing Tory administrations to unpick.

Yet, instead of reversing Thatcher’s anti-trade union laws and re-establishing a social housing sector, it embraced her free-market philosophy and withdrew proper regulation of the financial sector, a decision that would reap a bitter harvest in 2008.

And, rather than choose to abolish the House of Lords and end tax evasion by the super-rich, it chose to use the upper chamber as a cheap means to reward long service and millionaire donors. By the time the illegal second Iraq war had been joined, it was clear that Westminster Labour was becoming a stranger to the aspirations and expectations of its supporters in Scotland. [...]

Full article here:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...m-murphy-resign

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post 10th May 2015, 09:22pm
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QUOTE (droschke7 @ 10th May 2015, 03:04pm) *
the conservatives in Scotland got 800.000 votes and only 2 seats and Labour in Scotland who got 700,000 votes didn't get a single seat


Double check.


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post 10th May 2015, 09:33pm
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Anyone on here? ohmy.gif
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Pensioner who bet 30k on Tory win yet to collect winnings

A pensioner who took bookies by surprise by defying the polls and placing a record 30,000 bet on a majority Conservative win in the election has yet to collect his 240,000 winnings.

The man placed what Ladbrokes called the largest wager in the country to make the call for a majority government more than a week before polls opened.

The bet was placed in the firm's branch in Hope Street, Glasgow, at a time when experts were declaring a majority was hugely unlikely, with the Tories and Labour neck-and-neck in pre-election polls.

A Ladbrokes' spokesman said: "There's still no sign of our record-breaking election forecaster following on from his incredible political prediction. Whilst there's never a time limit to collect any winning bet, we thought he'd have made a beeline for us as soon as the result was confirmed. We'd like to congratulate him on his win. He's shown pollsters and pundits up and down the land the way to do it."

The winnings can be collected from any branch.

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See attached image for total votes cast etc..

What is really gratifying is that the Tory vote went down 1.8% when the clueless Scottish Tory Leader Ruth Davidson confidently predicted an increase in Tory votes of more than 10%. What a clown. clown.gif

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Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson believes her party can increase its share of the vote to nearly half a million on Thursday.

More than 400,000 people backed the Tories in 2010, but that only translated into one seat, Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale and Tweeddale.

Ms Davidson, speaking on a cross country tour yesterday, insisted her party could do better in 2015 and is best placed to defeat the SNP in West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine – a north-east constituency held by the Liberal Democrats since 1997.

And while the Glasgow MSP said she does not condone tactical voting, she encouraged pro-union supporters to get behind the Tory candidate, Alexander Burnett.

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post 10th May 2015, 11:14pm
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Something wrong with that picture GG, it shows Ed Miliband as leader when we all know Jim Murphy was is leader in Scotland, come to think of it all the leaders bar one are wrong laugh.gif


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post 11th May 2015, 12:50am
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I'm intrigued eidas, in your opinion, where is the country going wrong?

Where is the country going wrong, you ask! It just voted overwhelmingly for 56 people to line their own pockets for the next 5 years, they can't do anything for Scotland now that the tories have a majority (which was always going to happen as the people abandoned labour). It would have been another story had the SNP been in coalition with another party. The same party that took the country down the independence road and failed. Get over yourselves and be ready in 5 years time to either vote labour or tory, there's no other choice mate!
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post 11th May 2015, 07:17am
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Thats the type of politics Scotland just rejected, being thousands of miles away it's obvious you've missed whats been going on in the last few years. Labour have failed the people and they've probably alienated themselves from the younger generations for years, possibly forever.
Look at the difference between the crowds who flocked to see Sturgeon on walkabouts and the other party leaders who held them with a wall of campaigners keeping the public at arms length, could you see Murphy making time to get selfies with thousands of people, would anyone want a selfie with Murphy?


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QUOTE (eidas @ 11th May 2015, 01:58am) *
Where is the country going wrong, you ask! It just voted overwhelmingly for 56 people to line their own pockets for the next 5 years, they can't do anything for Scotland now that the tories have a majority (which was always going to happen as the people abandoned labour). It would have been another story had the SNP been in coalition with another party. The same party that took the country down the independence road and failed. Get over yourselves and be ready in 5 years time to either vote labour or tory, there's no other choice mate!


Yes the country voted overwhelmingly for 56 people, that's called democracy eidas, why do you have a problem with that?

If they had wanted to line their own pockets as you put it they would have joined a unionist party that puts themselves first before country.

There is another choice to the Tory/Labour Westminster duopoly, and we have just voted for it mate. yes.gif
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Yes the country voted overwhelmingly for 56 people, that's called democracy eidas, why do you have a problem with that?

If they had wanted to line their own pockets as you put it they would have joined a unionist party that puts themselves first before country.

There is another choice to the Tory/Labour Westminster duopoly, and we have just voted for it mate. yes.gif

Good luck mate, you're going to need it!
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post 11th May 2015, 10:47am
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QUOTE (eidas @ 11th May 2015, 11:08am) *
Good luck mate, you're going to need it!


In what way?

And what Shangri La do you now live in where they can manage to do what you think Scots are incapable of?
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