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Posted by: GG 23rd Apr 2009, 08:10pm

In a move that has been widely condemned by teaching professionals, parent groups, opposition politicians, and members of the Scottish Government, the ruling Labour Group at Glasgow City Council has taken the decision to close 21 schools and nurseries throughout Glasgow. The decision, voted on at a specially-convened full council meeting, was taken despite a consultation process involving 7200 people, which found that 96% of respondents were opposed the closures.

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Angry parents, concerned that their voices might be being ignored during the consultation period, took increasingly radical action to get their message across to senior Labour councillors who had become unusually media-shy in the face of growing parent power. During the anti-closure campaign concerned parents escalated their actions from heated confrontations at city chambers, to school occupations, and even rooftop protests. The parents now say that they intend to make sure that the Labour Party pays for ignoring them, indicating that they may mount a campaign to dent Labour's already diminishing hold on the city.

The Labour Group attempted to counter the concerns of professionals, protesters, politicians, and parents by insisting that the closures could save the city £3 million pounds. However, this sum was contested by many who claimed the 'savings' did not include the full, long-term costs associated with closing the schools. Still more protesters argued that the estimated saving could not be justified when the lives of so many young children will be disrupted.


The school closures' issue at one point threatened to descend into political farce when a senior Labour councillor was quoted as saying that reducing class sizes (a policy commitment of the Scottish Government) was an "irresponsible policy". Responding to the "outrageous" claim, one senior SNP source said:
"Glasgow has finally let the cat out of the bag. Their opposition to the government's education policies has nothing to do with finance and everything to do with politics. They are allowing their hostility to the SNP to damage the educational prospects of the children of Glasgow."


Posted by: GG 23rd Apr 2009, 08:38pm

The schools and nurseries to close are:


Posted by: chris J 23rd Apr 2009, 08:41pm

People never want to pay higher Tax's.

Well you get what you pay for!

If Scotland didn't have the expensive wast of money called Holyrood, then I'm sure the would be more than enough money to go into schools.

Posted by: Old Sailor 23rd Apr 2009, 08:42pm

In the scheme of things three million pounds is chump change! Unfortunately I reside a long way from Glasgow but having spent my life as a social activist I agree that a meaningful demonstration of Opposition to City Council's action must be made. If I can offer the tactic I would have used it would be to publicise the event Nationaly and Internationaly. First I would have parents and schoolchildren occupy, repeat occupy, the Glasgow City Chambers, the whole building, Provosts Office, Main Ballroom, All offices and entrances. Notify Audio, Print and TV outlets and have High, very High Profile speakers to make the case for Opoosition. I respect Government but I hold Democracy dear and know that to get anything done we turn the Pyramid on point and let the Voice of People be heard. These are not just words, I have done it on may occasions and I am a strong admirer of Sol Alinskey. Read or re-read the French Revolution.

Posted by: loganswell 23rd Apr 2009, 09:18pm

Not really sure about the traffic cone hats sporting the words "SOD OFF" in the pictures but despite that I do in principle support the parents who oppose the school closures. Keeping them open would cost about ONE BILLIONTH of what it cost to prop up the sleazy bank scandal that came about by sheer corporate greed. Hang your dirty head in shame GB!

Posted by: norrie123 23rd Apr 2009, 09:55pm

I have not read too much of this in the press but surely schools closing is not a new thing.
Are the schools under used, too few children??
Maybe some of the schools are past their sell by date.
I wonder what the reaction to Glasgow councillors if they had been Tories biggrin.gif
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: mack 23rd Apr 2009, 10:00pm

Maybe if those those councillors who run around in free transport,to and from the various freebies,paid for by council tax payers, were to tighten their belts, we could save some more. Three million, don't make me laugh. When it comes to saving money it's always us at the sharp end.You can safely bet not one of those you elected will be going short.Look at the expenses scandals in Westminster & Holyrood, do you seriously think the same things are not going on in our own back yard. We have a pool of council employed drivers who take your elected officials to and from the various functions paid for by you and me but only available to council officials.What else is being kept from the man in the street!

Posted by: AGNES & ROBERT 23rd Apr 2009, 10:03pm

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 23rd Apr 2009, 10:24pm) *
I have not read too much of this in the press but surely schools closing is not a new thing.
Are the schools under used, too few children??
Maybe some of the schools are past their sell by date.
I wonder what the reaction to Glasgow councillors if they had been Tories biggrin.gif
Bye for now, norrie

What was once one of the finest Cities on Earth, words fail me

Posted by: Rob Rattray 23rd Apr 2009, 10:10pm

What else can one expect from 'authoritarians' especially the 'Labour' breed? No thought whatsoever toward their counterpart citizens as long as they can 'line their pockets'. When today's children go looking for work in later life, education plays a big role so how can our kids hope to fulfill life's expectation of them if schools are no longer available to them now? Did council think of this fact - no! Either they bloodiwell sit on their brains to keep 'em warm, or they've no brains with which to think at all!
I've seen enough of this type of garbage here in Australia to know otherwise irrespective of who is governing [or trying to] the country sad.gif
May God bless you all!

Posted by: realnutty01 23rd Apr 2009, 10:14pm

Well it started with taking away free milk. Then hot meals now its just classrooms left. I wonder what they will start one next. It would seem that anything to do with keeping the community together is just something that doesn't matter anymore. Where are the values for our children, why are they so sure that moving schools, closing school and total disruption is good for them.

Posted by: GG 23rd Apr 2009, 10:21pm

QUOTE (chris J)
... Well you get what you pay for! ...

Perhaps Chris. Here's the replacement (shell in the foreground), for the existing Transport Museum, being built on the Clyde; it has already cost £74 million and is expected to rise in cost, cutting further into city budgets.


Posted by: maycee 23rd Apr 2009, 10:38pm

Sad to hear that.I live in Canada now but they also are constantly closing down schools. And it is mainly because there are not enough children living in the area picked for closure.

I do not know the full story, but I read one letter re-nobody want's to pay higher taxes. This is your children that will suffer. It is a necessary evil. You must pay for the products. This is 2009.

Good luck!


Posted by: Southside jim 23rd Apr 2009, 10:45pm

Gutted to hear the votes today.

I heard that all the local councillors voted to keep the school in their area open !!! A wee bit too late I think. The ones in my area know that they wont be elected back in again...And that they know what we all think of them !!!

How much did that art project in georges square cost !!!!! If I want to see art, I will go to the art galleries !!! As they cost more than enough to keep open as it is, with-out spending more money so people can see certain bits in the city center !!!!!

Posted by: Guest 23rd Apr 2009, 10:53pm

Very sad,
Glasgow and Scotlad was always well known for it's education close down schools is not a good thing...I don't live in Scotland any more...Alas...but my youngest son is studying in Aberdeen...he was brought up here in Holland...with three years education in between in Scotland when he was eight till eleven...His Uni team today walked away with a silver trophy and five hudred quid handed out to them for their business cosisted of three french students...and two Dutch, my son being one of the "Dutch"though of British parentage.... educated here...Sad to think they beat two Scottish speaking teams for the prize.....Don't close schools....worse thing you can do for the next generation... The best years of my life were in Scottish schools..

Posted by: JAKKI 13 23rd Apr 2009, 11:07pm

I feel so sad for all parents and children in glasgow, but most of all maryhill as that is where iam from and to see all the people I know upset and am gutted for labour to do that to little ones they have no heart. so its ok for mps way second homes and husbunds getting films and etc.etc. list to long BUT OH NO money could not save the childrens schools I am glad that I do not vote labour and the people that do should think on the next vote.

Posted by: Macqui 23rd Apr 2009, 11:11pm

It is really a shame, It would seem to be a trend in the last few years, on both sides of the atlantic.

Posted by: *betty100* 23rd Apr 2009, 11:21pm

The people of Glasgow must stand together and reverse this decision, never before in history has it been so important to stand behind the youth of today EDUCATION is the greatest gift a child can have to take them forward into the new century
Schools should not be closing but should be getting more funding and teachers keeping up with world technology. GLASGOW CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE MADE THE UNDER DOGS
there has to be a better way to achieve the targets required Perhaps a cut to the large pay packets of our government leaders take home would save around the same amount (or maybe a great deal more)
Education should be our children's birthright as the adults of this world we must say no to our governments we will not except this type of cut back

Keep up the great work protest protest until they reverse the situation

betty100 expat Australia

Posted by: jakka13 24th Apr 2009, 12:03am

No relation to previous poster rolleyes.gif I think it's time for the polititians to realize that , 1 the people elected them and 2 they can vote them out .It doesn't take brains to see that the future of Scotland begins with it's children .It's time to get real and live in the real world .The money that's wasted would fund the schools .

sorry about that .I thought I was following JAKKI13

Posted by: mumsiedoc 24th Apr 2009, 12:15am

Why the closure of so many schools? I attended St. Ignatius Primary until I left when I was 9 in 1963. I have seen photos where they demolished my old school. Where do the children now go for schooling? Do they now have to bus it to school.

Posted by: Catherine 24th Apr 2009, 12:15am

I agree with all the above and past sentiments here, it's sad to say the least.

Like another Poster previously, I didn't quite agree with the children and those hats and the message written on them. Maybe something more in the vein of them being future voters would have rung a different bell for those Councillors and given them more to think about before they made their vote to close these Schools.
Then again, the decision was most probably already made before today anyway.

Every one of those Parents and Volunteers should be proud of themselves for their effort.
Perhaps the battle was lost today but you'll win the war someday soon.
Good Luck to you all.

Posted by: angel 24th Apr 2009, 12:35am

All I can say is to keep up the protests until there is a solution or at worst a compromise, remember these words ,, We Shall Overcome;......

Posted by: Rabbie 24th Apr 2009, 01:06am

I am no wan for many words.

This seems to be a sign of the declining times we now live in, due to the stinking greed culture that pervades us due to the useless / inept / clueless minority that was elected to serve us.

What an awful mess for our children and our grandkids to inherit. They deserve better, much better.

Mother Nature, in her own slow way will redress this.

When she does, some erses will be well tanned.


Posted by: marmill 24th Apr 2009, 01:36am

I think it is an awful thing to do to the people of scotland and the children who attend these schools also a worry for the parents and teachers is it only scotland or are they closing schools in england as well ? I went to school in possil park saracen primary and was shocked that it was pulled down. Myra Watson

Posted by: tamhickey 24th Apr 2009, 02:15am

This may seem a bit cynical, but what's the betting that a deal has already been struck behind the scenes with various companies vying for future PFI/PPP projects? The councillors who voted for this package of measures have no shame whatsoever, and I'm sure this cabal of nonentities who DARE to call themselves LABOUR councillors will have people like John McLean spinning in his grave.
The sad fact is that there is no longer such a thing as a Labour Party, what we now have are a bunch of self serving parasites to the right of Atilla the hun.
I for one, will never vote for this lot again.

Posted by: Ron Williams 24th Apr 2009, 03:13am

Living in Australia all my friends have always remarked how I seemed to have a broad knowledge of the world.
Well it was the education I recieved when I was young at Town Head primary and City Public Senior Secondary and has served me well all my life. The new generations deserve no less.
Ron Williams

Posted by: Katherine Goetz 24th Apr 2009, 03:20am

What is going on in todays Glasgow. It is more than disgusting. Closing down schools to save 3 million. God, that`s petty cash for the Gov. Shame on the lot of them. The only thing a child needs is the best education it can get, not only for themselves, but for the future of their country. What a disgrace on Glasgow, and its future.



BEST OF LUCK TO ALL from a glesca lassie of 66 who had the best education in the world, and has brought up two sons in a foreign country, and could see the difference.

Posted by: donald 24th Apr 2009, 04:35am

The only cut that would benefit Scotland would be Westminster when we do not have to post for Trident, foreign wars that they can always find money for. When we no longer subsidise our greedy and rapacious neighbour we can afford to build a better Scotland create a better education and social system.

Posted by: donald 24th Apr 2009, 04:41am

John MacLean stood for a Scottish Socialist Republic. Labour stand for Anglo-Capitalist Imperialism. Labour is a disgrace to the working class in general and Scotland in particular. We have to turn out in droves to get rid of them, as they have the electoral process sewn up by fiddling, as they always do.

Posted by: Allen 24th Apr 2009, 06:05am

I recall the same outcry and hand-wringing many years ago when the Glasgow City fathers decided to demolish a large number of the filthly, poorly maintained heritage and architectural landmarks in the city to make way for new modern buildings and roads. Having used the funds available in a progressive way, we all benefit from it.

It's been many years since the city took a large scale bold step to modernise its educational establishments and take such a leap forward. To keep at the forefront (of or at least to catch up with) of delivering quality education that competes with the best in the world is what made Glasgow great.

Change on this scale is always disturbing; greatest for the local communities and people currently affected. Some sensititivity is needed in preserving the history, social importance and relevance of these schools to Glasgow and its heritage.

Posted by: auchinairnboy 24th Apr 2009, 07:20am

It's a long time since I lived in Glasgow, but the two schools on the list that I know ( Barmulloch and Wee Albert) seem to be in self-contained areas and any alternative will involve travel for some very young kids. If the saving is really only a few million pounds there must be other areas of council spend which could be reined in.

Posted by: Elma 24th Apr 2009, 07:51am

The wording on the hats that the CHILDREN are wearing is completely inappropriate and in fact may have changed the vote of some of the councillors. If that is the level of education received at these schools maybe it is better that they are closed and the children subjected to better education.

While I sympathize with the children and parents of the closed schools we must remember that a half filled school takes the same upkeep and costs as that of a school with the maximum number of children enrolled. Do the taxpayers of Glasgow wish to have their taxes raised to cover the extra cost of these schools?

Please not I have NEVER voted Labour (or N.D.P. in Canada) in my life.

Posted by: stergene 24th Apr 2009, 09:01am

thought for today why can we not take the mp's out of there jobs and offices as i believe we could save a lot more money than what the schools are spending, and honestly run the country better than what they are doing on less money than what they are earning, unless the schools are past repair then i say keep these schools open. shame on you.

Posted by: k.mcewan 24th Apr 2009, 09:25am

As a parent i am disgusted at the way these children are being disrupted. all the experts are always banging on about routine and stabilty has anyone stopped to think about the effect this will have on their education.i recently moved home and through my own chioce and that of my children moved them to a new school they are finding it very difficult to settle and make new friends. these children are being forced to change. i wonder if in a few months time we will hear of disruption in classrooms because children who were happy and settled in their education had it ripped out from under them all to save a few bucks.

Posted by: tombro 24th Apr 2009, 10:14am

Perhaps some of the money being wasted in preparation for the next Commonwealth Games could be re-directed towards the continued education of Glasgow's richest future resource !

Probably not, though, because seeing themselves on television over the next few years is more important to the ego of the powers that be rather than providing for the future post CG.

Sadly, politics is a life of ego, immediacy and publicity !

Tombro unsure.gif unsure.gif

Posted by: pidge 24th Apr 2009, 10:36am

Yet another example of politicians not listening to the people who elected them. It seems that they will use any excuse (Financial, Human rights or whatever sounds good) to do exactly what they want. These schools have been closed without a thought for the disruption to our kids and this is before the budget. What next??? Hospitals, Community projects, Apprentaships oh no I forget they are already cutting these back. Well we will just have to wait and see what further cut backs will follow now that public spending has been cut in the budget. There is so much frustration among ordinary people about issues such as this but no politician seems to be listening. Glasgow city council in my view must be one of the worst for not listening to their people. What is the answer? How do we get them to listen? I wish I knew.
Good luck to the parents I hope they open their ears.

Posted by: Maggi moo 24th Apr 2009, 10:54am

As a glaswegian now living in england I feel very strongly about the schools disappearing I went to barrowfield st primary then riverside sen sec school both long gone. Are politicians worried we might be brighter than them and take their jobs, we probably could do a better job of it.

Posted by: Southside jim 24th Apr 2009, 10:57am

The thing that gets me is that the vote was supposed to have taken place yesterday(23/4/09)..But they all voted last week on this matter and carried on with their plan to close the schools..

Now if you listen to them, they stated that NO decision has been taken & that they WILL listen to the people of Glasgow.

So why was merrylee nursery sold to Govanhill housing association before christmas 2008 ???

They already knew what they were gonna do, and only after parents kicked up a fuss, did they allow this shame of a consultation to take place.

We should be out at EVERY public promotional event that these so-called councilors do from now on with banners statin...These people DON'T work for their commuinities !!!

Posted by: Charlie Pakwer 24th Apr 2009, 11:44am

A sad day indeed! Maybe if the cooncil chumps hadn't wasted so much money on useless projects like the £3.5M on marketing the Commonwealth Games, or the £2.9M for trees for the new museum, then we wouldn't need to disrupt and destroy our children's education.

Let's make these Labour nonenties pay with their bubble-wrapped, well-paid jobs.

Posted by: eileen steele 55 24th Apr 2009, 12:12pm

hi there i would just like to add my bit as well i want to say that victoria primary was my very first primary school and my teacher was a miss cochrane . i was only at the school for a bout a year but it left me with great impressions of school. i was also a pupil of bellahouston primary as well. so iam saddened to hear of these schools closing, if there is anything i can do to help just let me know .i stay in dunoon but was brought up in glasgow

Posted by: George Brown 24th Apr 2009, 12:20pm

The mind boggles at all the related permutations to this excercise
It is understandable, due to falling pupil numbers the buildings are underused and therefore uneconomical to maintain and inhabit
I do however agree with the parental concerns, and in this day of 'child protectionsit climate' no child should have to travel any more than fifteen minutes by foot (preferably less) to school
wouldn't it have been a little more practicle to physically reduce the size and upgrade the properties to accomodate the projected attendance figures ?
Finally, where do the teaching staff go ?
and if there is there a glut of teachers, and we all read of freshly qualified teachers coming from training college to start a new job at supermarket checkouts, because of their inability to find a post within their chosen profession, Why then are the colleges allowed to continue taking in new recruits ?

Posted by: Charlie Pakwer 24th Apr 2009, 12:44pm

An education professional's (me) response to Steven Purcell's message 'explaining' the decision. I had hoped to be able to do this in the Glasgow Herald, but the comments option is missing for some reason. Hopefully it will be acceptable here? My words are in italics.

I'm a Glaswegian born and bred and do this job because I want to see the citizens of my city fulfil their potential. And at the top of my priority list is providing the best education we possibly can for our young people.

> Nonsense, why are we spending £hundreds of millions on new (not needed) museums and (not wanted) commonwealth games, while we pursue savage cuts to education?

The city council's record on education is a good one. In the last decade we have spent over £500million on new school buildings.

> Wrong! the city's record in eduction is by far the worst of any council in Scotland. The £500million has not been raised by you, but you are correct that you have 'borrowed' using the failed PPP/PFI model. The current generation of Glasgow children suffering from the worst standard of education in the country will be the ones who have to pay, and pay BIG TIME! Those payments will form outrageous profits for the private companies who put the money up front.

Every secondary in the city is now in A' condition and we have opened 39 new primary schools.

> ... at a huge cost to future generations of Glasgowians ... the ones that don't abandon the city after this debacle that is.

And I'm delighted that those new buildings have helped our hard-working teachers raise the attainment of our young people to record levels and introduce pioneering developments such as nurture classes.

> Attainment levels are still well, well below national average. As for helping teachers, would those be the same teachers whose complaints were last year upheld by the Health and Safety Executive who said that staff were suffering because of badly designed classrooms in the new PPP/PFI schools?

But none of that was achieved without taking difficult and sometimes unpopular decisions.

> A difficult, for you at least, (but not unpopular) decison would be reign in the millions wasted by politicians throughout the city every year.

We have already closed 91 primary schools. Those closures were unpopular but we can prove that education has improved as a result.

> Okay, prove it ... this was your opportunity to do so!

The closure proposals council passed yesterday are also unpopular but they are also the right thing to do. We cannot continue with crumbling school buildings and shrinking school rolls.

> Which schools are "crumbling" exactly? If you are admitting that you have allowed children to be educated in building that are literally falling down, then I will forward the matter to the Health and Safety Executive for their urgent consideration.

One of the schools we are closing is only 18% occupied, with just four P1 pupils. That's a waste of money.

> Quoting the worst-case example does not give you the right to apply the requirements of one school to all schools.

With schools in this state and school rolls so small these young people are not getting a good education.

> Schools have got into this sate because you and your predecessors have consitently mismanaged budgets, diverting much-needed funds for education development into useless projects that have long been forgotten.

A robust school roll leads to more teachers being employed which means better management and more choice for our children. Our children can benefit from greater access to, for example, drama, music and sport.

> Our children CAN benefit from a higher quality of teaching that delivers a standard of education comparable with that enjoyed elsewhere in the country in terms of exam attainment. Blabbering on about "drama, music and sport" is just a distraction!

Better buildings mean that less money is needed to fix prob-lems, freeing up cash for teachers and resources.

> I refer to my reply above regarding the HSE intervention. In that case the installation of heating ventilation equipment IN BRAND NEW schools such as Rosshall Academy and Drumchapel High and dozens of other new and refurbished Glasgow schools will cost more than £9million. The expensive refit will potentially disrupt education in 67 home economics classrooms, 210 computer rooms and 38 drama classes.

Doing nothing is not an option.

> Maybe your colleagues should have spun that wee yarn 50 years ago and we would not be in this mess!

No child deserves a second-class education, and I will not be swayed from difficult decisions which mean all our young people can share in a bright future for this city.

> Would that be the same bright future that is going to rise from the city-wide collapse of the financial services sector, as well as the retail and tourism sector in this city? You are correct though that "no child deserves a second-class education" ... unfortunately that is what Glaswegian children have been getting in this failing city for decades ... no amount of yarn spinning and musical chairs will ever change that sad, sorry fact!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 24th Apr 2009, 12:59pm

Maybe the wording on the children's hats was a bit hard, which I agree, but on the other hand it shouts out a distinct message which could also be used when the councillors come back touting for your votes.
Have a little card printed with a photo of the hats, even with the children, ready to hand out ...and that even supposing "they" withdrew their proposals on closure.
Sack them.
3 million ... Last time I looked a Trident cost about 6 Billion. I'm not against Tridends as such, but I am against school closures.

Now, two questions:-

1: Could it not be a consideration that Schools be classified non-sectarian so that the classes could be better filled by the local children ?

2: Nothing to do with the above really but one school mentioned was "Our Lady of the Assumption"
Forgive my ignorance, please, but what was - or is - the "Assumption" ?

Posted by: angel 24th Apr 2009, 02:00pm

the feast of the assumption , is to comemorate the lifting up of the blessed virgin's body into heaven.

Posted by: *Maggie* 24th Apr 2009, 03:59pm

I was there yesterday when they announced the schools getting closed, and the despair on the children and the parent faces was so overwhelming!!! I agree with what everyone has says those Labour councillors where told yesterday how to vote. So what hope did we ever have...

Remember when Labour got in again it was Education Education Education and they have managed to go back on their word completely...

So my advice for the people of Scotland is to get rid of the Labour government and vote SNP.

Posted by: maureeno 24th Apr 2009, 06:45pm

How sad I felt when I read this report.I left Glasgow many years ago. I attended Saint Andrews Primary School in Ropework Lane and then went on to O.L.S.F S.S. in Charlotte Street,Ive always been so proud of my Scottish education.When I went back to Glasgow after so many yearsI was dismayed to find both "my schools" were gone.And so it goe on.What will bcome of all these poor children whoe education ha s been cruelly disrupted I really cant bear thinking of.Keep up the good fight.Let Glagow flourish !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 24th Apr 2009, 06:51pm

Thanks Angel...I didn't know that.
But I'm still puzzled by the use of the word "Assumption" even in that context

Posted by: fourbytwo 24th Apr 2009, 07:21pm

sad.gif perhaps we should all take a big step back and look at the bigger picture....
The closure of the schools is of course scandalous, but TOTALLY this Labour Council opens up the bidding for the school sites to be vacated.....
All over the city sites of 'special interest to developers' are awaiting the start of a bidding war so that the Council can keep their 'quango committees' in funding...
People should expect their 'elected officials' to follow the party line regardless of the local communities who elected them....
We in the South Side (Nitshill/Priesthill) saw 4 schools disappear. along with nursery provision, and other projects working from school buildings.....1 site in particular (Burnbrae Primary), will be the site of some 'major interest' as existing developers begin to circle the wagons, just waiting for that site to be vacated.....
So people, as much as I support your really is our own fault for 'voting in these gangsters', and so long as we do not forget what was done...'in our name'....then the next election will be our 'chance of revenge'...
Sorry to be so negative....but I have been a community activist for over 30 years, and saw most of what was going to happen, some time ago.....but people simply did not believe it at the time...!

Posted by: angel 24th Apr 2009, 10:05pm

Thh.... , assumption ,in this context simply means that it is the truth and indeed we believe it to be so.. smile.gif

QUOTE (angel @ 24th Apr 2009, 09:34pm) *
Thh.... , assumption ,in this context simply means that it is the truth and indeed we believe it to be so.. smile.gif
....... Hope this explains it to you, tis a matter of faith

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 24th Apr 2009, 10:20pm

Thanks Angel. Learn something new every day. Usually with me it's forget something else every day.
Older and wiser now.

Posted by: THE PEOPLES CHANNEL 24th Apr 2009, 11:52pm

Change in our education system has come with a bang ! The city council has now less school buildings, less overheads, in return the taxpayer gains our kids of the future get a better education ? I wonder how many parents where involved in the decission making of these sweeping changes if any.
The City Council could have avoided the current unrest by including parents around Glasgow from the onset.
Now is the time for our mp's to think about the backlash they will no doubt feel from their employers ( THE VOTERS )
Now is the time for the parents involvement in future planning of our education system the days of Councils planning,implementing and executing any plans and turning to the public (when the new buildings are half built) and having a public meeting in order to allow the public to have their views known WHY ? are the Council going to listen and demolish new half built buildings I don't think so.
Change was needed but the lack of parent involvement was a huge mistake, GLASGOW CITY COUNCIL THE BALL IS IN YOUR PLAYGROUND.

Posted by: Tori G 25th Apr 2009, 09:23am

I think its absolutely terrible that so many schools have to close, for the greedy developers to want $$$ and the councils wanting to let go $$$. A sign of the times, possibly world wide, some of our government here in Australia have been talking about selling a lot of playing fields attached to schools to developers for housing and other. (Now that part I can agree with, more $$$ for education dept).

We all know for a fact that uprooting children from their comfort zones can have a major impact in their physiological wellbeing, and are the government ready to have an influx as such of medical complaints which can be attributed to deprivation, therefore causing more financial drain on the economy??

Would any of the schools earmarked for closure be able to be merged with one another or with others? ie, Technical, or secondary with primary and pre-primary? Therefore keeping classes filled, teachers with jobs, and maybe putting some other public servants into the schools to fill in any gaps when teachers are snowed under with too much work and pupil and parents complaints so as to give them(teachers) a rest, atleast we can say they (public servants) wont be sitting on their bums doing not much as widely thought.

Posted by: *frame* 26th Apr 2009, 06:23pm

it's always the kids who have to pay the biggest price for the stupidity of people who have come to consider themselves as all powerful. the biggest protest glasgow can make is at the ballot box. make the children an election issue. come 2010, simply vote them out and the next party in will think twice about closing the young ones out of their birthright; which is their lawful right and our moral responsibility, to the best education we can give them dispite the cost.

Posted by: Duettists 26th Apr 2009, 08:25pm

Although I now live in Johannesburg, Glasgow is the city of my birth and I am very sorry indeed to hear of the closure of so many schools. I dread to think what effect these closures will have on the children and staff involved in them. And surely there will be over-crowding in other schools when the extra children are transferred.

Posted by: norskekommando 27th Apr 2009, 01:32am

Our own damned fault for voting in the council crackpots ! cool.gif

Posted by: *curly sue* 27th Apr 2009, 02:14am

I think the council actually need to go back to school themselves because even a child knows how important an education is nowadays, what are they thinking? I suppose they would say it is all down to money and expenditure.
so while they continue closing schools and our children miss out on thier legal rights to a decent education the fat cats are slurping up the cream (profits)with HUGE pay rises it is a disgace and they should be made accountable for thier actions.

Posted by: tamhickey 27th Apr 2009, 02:29am

And in a report in the Sunday Herald, it would appear that ANOTHER 34 schools are also at risk!

Posted by: Southside jim 27th Apr 2009, 08:55am

QUOTE (tamhickey @ 27th Apr 2009, 02:58am) *
And in a report in the Sunday Herald, it would appear that ANOTHER 34 schools are also at risk!

I seen a report on the news, and I'm almost certain that those schools were in England & Wales !!!

But I could be wrong !!!

I still have to laugh at the council leader stating that the council will listen to the public on certain matters that WILL affect their commuinty on other future projects in their area !!!

So WHY not listen to us on the school proposals !!!!!

Posted by: stratson 27th Apr 2009, 11:22am

QUOTE (Southside jim @ 27th Apr 2009, 10:24am) *
I seen a report on the news, and I'm almost certain that those schools were in England & Wales !!!

But I could be wrong !!!

I still have to laugh at the council leader stating that the council will listen to the public on certain matters that WILL affect their commuinty on other future projects in their area !!!

So WHY not listen to us on the school proposals !!!!!

Nothing worse than people insulting your intelligence, by fobbing you off with platitudes.
We need to get shot of the Glasgow Labour Council>>>>sooner rather than later mad.gif

They particularly their leader are in my opinion "Creeps".

Posted by: jean deshane 30th Apr 2009, 05:50am

wwlcome to the new world. it is the same here in Canada. politicians make the decisions irresprective of how much disruption it creates in families and children having to get to the new locations and start all over again making friends etc/ keep up the good work = hope it works for you all. best of luck.

Posted by: GG 1st May 2009, 07:30pm

Determined parents keep upt the fight:

School closure protests continue

Parents angry at plans to close schools and nurseries in Glasgow have been demonstrating outside the council's education headquarters.

Glasgow City Council voted to move ahead with the closure of 11 primary schools and nine nurseries last week.

Organisers of the campaign to save the schools demanded that they be included in any future meetings between the council and the schools' head teachers...

Full story at the BBC


Posted by: GG 1st May 2009, 08:19pm

During First Minister's Questions at Holyrood on Thursday, Alex Salmond said that education budgets are rising in Glasgow and that parents deserve answers from the council.

"The puzzle I have - and I have to say I genuinely don't understand it - is that Glasgow Council, including their education convener, have said their education budget has been rising in real terms. Given that, what I don't understand is how a rising education budget in real terms can translate in the city of Glasgow into less teachers and less schools. I genuinely don't understand that and that is an explanation that I think Glasgow Council owes not just for the concerned parents but for everyone else in Scotland."


Posted by: fronswa 9th May 2009, 12:23pm

The Save Our Schools Campaign will be lobbying the Scottish Parliament on Thursday the 14th of May at 11:30am.

Check the link for booking places on the bus.,+Holyrood+Rd,+Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh+EH7,+United+Kingdom&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&cd=1&geocode=FQLFVQMduY7P_w&split=0&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=6.881357,14.941406&z=16&iwloc=A


Posted by: Missing City 13th May 2009, 01:07pm

QUOTE (fronswa @ 9th May 2009, 12:52pm) *
The Save Our Schools Campaign will be lobbying the Scottish Parliament on Thursday the 14th of May at 11:30am.

Check the link for booking places on the bus.,+Holyrood+Rd,+Edinburgh,+City+of+Edinburgh+EH7,+United+Kingdom&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&cd=1&geocode=FQLFVQMduY7P_w&split=0&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=6.881357,14.941406&z=16&iwloc=A


It seems that, not content with hiding from outraged parents, Steven Purcell the Labour leader of lasgow City Council is now also apparently hiding from his responsibilities to the Glasgow people!

'Part-time Purcell' failing Glasgow - SNP invest in jobs as Labour abandon city to save their skin'

Glasgow's Labour council is letting the city down after leader Stephen Purcell has been revealed to be cancelling meetings and clearing his diary to campaign in a local by-election.

Today's Sunday Herald (p15) reports Mr Purcell's secetary cancelling his meetings for the whole of May so he can campaign for Labour.

SNP MSP for Glasgow Bob Doris today condemned "part-time Purcell" whose actions come only days after the Labour council voted to close schools across the city and as all Scotland's local authorities are facing up to the implications of London Labour's decision to cut £500 million from investment in Scottish services.

Mr Doris said: "Glasgow needs a full time leader, not part-time Purcell. Working a half day then back to the Labour bunker is unacceptable.

"Purcell's lack of respect for the city he represents is shameful. Though after ignoring the views of parents and families across the city to push ahead with closing schools I'm not surprised he needs to woo the public, especially if schools in Drumpchapel are next for the chop.

"As the SNP in Glasgow is working with communities to support education, to invest in jobs and to boost skills with 1000 apprenticeships in the city Labour have abandoned their constituents to concentrate on saving their own skins.

"With Labour's decision to close schools, cut teachers and refusal to reduce class sizes in Glasgow Stephen Purcell has a lot to answer for.

"If Purcell only wants to work part-time while across Glasgow people are wondering what will happen to their jobs - I'm sure there are plenty of people willing to take over from him."

Surely this a grat opportunity to confront Purcell where it hurts - at the ballot box of his own by-election!!!

Posted by: Dexter St. Clair 14th May 2009, 05:30pm

The By election of course is due to two jobs Kidd finally standing down and accepting life as a full time MSP. That just leaves Salmond doing the two jobs. Super man that he is. Where was he educated "Less teachers".

Posted by: GG 2nd Jun 2009, 11:25pm

An alternative view from MC and the SNP:

It was a campaign which the SNP will have thought that would have done very well in, possibly even gaining more than 50% of the votes in the first preferences. There have been the awful polls that Labour have experienced recently, the Nationalists riding high and some proposed school closures gaining some publicity in the papers.

Yet I really don't think anything like that will happen and I'm confident that Labour can win this and win it comfortably for a number of reasons.


Posted by: GG 28th Jun 2009, 10:14pm

Parents re-occupy closed school:

Wyndford Primary School re-occupied
June 27, 2009

Parents of Wyndford have re-occupied Wyndford Primary School in protest against the school’s closure and their children having to enrol at schools over a mile away from their homes.

The reasons why the parents have re-occupied the school are the same as when they occupied during the Easter holidays. However, in addition to issues regarding their children’s safety and education, as well as in protest against the actions of Glasgow City Council towards their community, the parents also want to protect the building against vandals and fear Glasgow City Council may use the vandalism as an excuse to order the building to be pulled down, citing unsafe premises. The parents wish to save the building for use by the immediate and surrounding communities. There is already a lack of community facilities in the area and the parents wish to save the space to use as they see fit for their families and supporters.

The parents entered the school at 1.30pm, 26/06/09, when the children were released for the summer holidays and are preparing to stay for as long as necessary.

Update – 27/6/09 10am – Council with police preparing to enter occupied school and clear furniture and equipment. Glasgow City Council Director of Education, Maureen McKenna, visited and told the parents that water and electricity will be cut off and doors sealed (except for fire escapes).

Occupation is to be continued by parents regardless.

Related BBC story:


Posted by: GG 19th Apr 2011, 07:18am

Another school closure plan announced ... apparently, it's "in the best interests of the children".

Parents unite over plans to shut special needs school

Parents of children with special needs claim the youngsters’ education will be under threat if plans to shut their school go ahead.

More than half the pupils at Gadburn Primary School, for youngsters with additional support needs, were in mainstream education.

But, parents claim, their children were subjected to serious bullying and moved to Gadburn.

Now Glasgow City Council plans to shut the school and move kids back to the mainstream Barmulloch Primary School. ...

Full story here:


Posted by: Dunvegan 19th Apr 2011, 12:46pm

Can any one ( no toraidhe please) tell me how closing schools improves education. And but yes but I know all about "double speak" and "big brother".

Posted by: Chrissie 20th Apr 2011, 03:41am

There's no way closing schools can be good for education unless they are being replaced by better schools. It's likely just an excuse to save money. Poor weans.unsure.gif

Posted by: GG 3rd Jan 2012, 03:01pm

As yet another Glasgow school is being rushed through for closure without full consultation with parents, an unlikely cross-party alliance of aggrieved local councillors has forced the city's under-performing education department to reconsider its hasty decision:

Three Labour councillors have struck an alliance with SNP rivals in an attempt to overturn a decision by the city council on the closure of a special needs school in Glasgow.

The move sees three members of the ruling administration in the north of the city join forces with two Nationalists to use city council procedures to thwart the plans to integrate children at the Gadburn school into a nearby mainstream primary. ...

Full story here:


Posted by: fronswa 5th Jan 2012, 03:25am

Bipartisan cooperation from the SNP and Labour in a council election year.
Tripping over each other to look good for their areas.
Sorry... I'm being frightfully cynical here aren't I? dry.gif

Now lets see if any of them actually manage to save the place.

Posted by: GG 6th Jan 2012, 09:06am

Fronswa, this is what the Herald said about the development:

... It is understood that this is the first time there has been a clear bipartisan strategy involving Labour members to undo an administration decision.

Although next May s election will inevitably see politicians of all hues being increasingly vocal about issues on their doorsteps, insiders claim such a move would not have been possible without the bitter fall-out within the ranks of the Labour administration. ...

So, it seems that, having sat on the fence and done nothing for almost exactly a year since the first proposal of the merger, Glasgow's councillors are just now taking action motivated by either saving their own jobs or by a loathing of their own party. Reassuring!


Posted by: GG 27th Jun 2012, 06:55am

QUOTE (GG @ 3rd Jan 2012, 04:16pm) *
As yet another Glasgow school is being rushed through for closure without full consultation with parents, an unlikely cross-party alliance of aggrieved local councillors has forced the city's under-performing education department to reconsider its hasty decision ...

It has now been decided that Gadburn special needs school will close next year after an appeal to save it from the axe was rejected by Scottish ministers.

Sandra Martin, secretary of Gadburn Parent Council, said:
"We're not going to take it lying down.

There is no evidence that there has been a boundary change. There has to be a consultation for any boundary change and there’s no evidence of this.

Barmulloch Primary's roll has fallen dramatically and we have always been concerned that if we move there it will have to close anyway.

Gadburn is being closed for the sake of four children moving to a £300,00 provision in Barmulloch."