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Posted by: GG 5th Dec 2003, 06:30pm

Here's a short video of Glasgow trams: anyone remember these? Or have any stories about the old trams?


Please leave comments/memories here...

Posted by: scotslad90 5th Dec 2003, 06:40pm

I can only picture them from the Transport museum,but what I do remember is my Grandad pointing out the track area outside Bellahouston Park on Mosspark Boulevard and its still there as a grass verge.He told me a tram went from there to Kelvinside and am sure he said it was a No 3-have no idea why that sticks in my head.Also the grass centre reservation on Gt Western Rd from Anniesland to Knightswod was a tram track as well.Must have been magic to see these when they went through the town.When you visit cities like Amsterdam and Lisbon which have great tram networks and are a joy to use it makes you wonder why we gave them up.

Posted by: scotslad90 5th Dec 2003, 06:44pm

Wow just noticed something Union St 1962 is the guy in the picture putting a coin on the track for a tram to run over it.I remember my Grandad talking about that.The Woodlands Rd picture is amazing as well -its changed so much but I can still recognise certain things on it,

Posted by: Melody 5th Dec 2003, 07:02pm

The sound of the trams was brilliant, rumblings and ringing noises as they rolled along the streets, always felt really exciting going on the tram. The wee part at the end upstairs that only you and yer daddy fitted in and you could shut the door and you had it all to yourselves! Right we're on, where are we going? Auchenshuggle next stop, watch that mans roll of linoleum hen!
What joy! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Margaret P 5th Dec 2003, 08:41pm

I just loved riding on the tram mind you when I was young there wasen't much else to travel in the odd bus , trolly bus remember them in the fog you could't hear them coming ,I loved the sound of the old trams

Posted by: Fearn 5th Dec 2003, 10:20pm

Manys the time I just made the #15 out to Baillieston! Think the other one I could go home on was a #23 - think it left earlier!

Yer tuggin' on the auld heart strings!

Posted by: Luceo 5th Dec 2003, 11:38pm

For the first ten years of my life I lived on Shettleston Road and I would fall asleep to the sound of the 15 and 23. As I recall the 23 ran eastbound to Garrowhill and the 15 went all the way out to Airdrie. Westbound the 15 went to Anderston and the 23 to Maryhill.

Until I visited some running trams at the Glasgow Garden Festival (was that 1989?) I had forgotten that trams had a quite distinctive smell. I have no idea what the smell was and it is impossible to describe but someone has since suggested that it might have been ozone, generated by the tram's electric motor. I don't know how likely or otherwise that might be but I do know that it was instantly recognizable and quite unique.

Does anyone else remember that smell?

Regards,

Luceo

Posted by: Fearn 6th Dec 2003, 01:46am

Hello Luceo:

Amazing how long 'forgotten' things come back! I only needed to get to Garrowhill (said Baillieston) as few folks seem to remember Garrownhill so maybe it was the 23 that I took.

I believe trams did have a distinctive smell (probably stale smoke, chips, pies an black pudding!). I can't describe it either but pretty sure if I smelt it today, memories would be triggered. smile.gif

Where are you hangin yer hat these days?

Posted by: George Muir 6th Dec 2003, 01:57am

huh.gif Scotslad, here's one of the routes you mentioned, and it WAS the number 3 tram that went along here. This is from an old tramcar book, and it shows Mosspark housing scheme under construction on Mosspark Boulevard in 1923, with the tram on the right of the picture, and Bellahouston Park behind the tram.


 

Posted by: George Muir 6th Dec 2003, 02:03am

wink.gif Scotslad, here's the other centre track you mentioned on Great Western Road. The tram ran from Knightswood to Blairdardie. The picture is from the early 50s.


 

Posted by: scotslad90 6th Dec 2003, 04:30pm

Oh George your postings are fantastic-Even today I can recognise the houses on both Gt Western Rd and Mosspark Boulevard.Where did you get these pics from they are incredible.I was in Bellahouston this morning because 2 of the kids were using the dri slope so I went for a wander down to the Boulevard I think I was about 5 when my Grandad told me about the trams there-I have never forgotten that.You triggered off something else for me on the Great Western Rd did they cross the canal or was that a swing bridge at Blairdardie.My Dad is coming over here for Xmas- i can't wait to show him some of these pictures,Cheers George.

Posted by: George Muir 6th Dec 2003, 05:24pm

smile.gif Scotslad, Here is the caption which accompanies the picture in question:
"Great Western Road's reserved track from Knightswood to Blairdardie was opened in 1949 but further extension was thwarted by the seemingly-insurmountable canal bridge. Contrarily it was a sharp curve in the east end of the city which prevented introduction to this route of more appropriate modern trams than No. 25 shown here. The picture dates from 1954."
The book was published by the Scottish Tramway Museum Society in 1977 at a price of 85p.

Posted by: scotslad90 6th Dec 2003, 05:32pm

Awsome info George.........the grass verge continues on into Old Drumchapel but I never knew if the tram's crossed the bridge.I guess they never did.

Posted by: Rab 6th Dec 2003, 05:48pm

I was once travelling on an old 'shoogly from Renfrew Cross to Govan with my pal Ronnie who had a pair of pigeons up his jooks. We were sitting up front on the top deck and somewhere about the Royal Docks, the tram took one of those corner 'lurches' (you know what I mean - rib-crackers, if you weren't careful) and the doos flew out Ronnies jacket. Having regained their freedom, they were not going to be re-captured easily. Ronnie and me chased them around the upper deck, praying that the clippie widnae appear - but she did, wondering what the clatter was!. Did we get laldy?. If I remember rightly we got a good price for them after recapture.
Returning home from the jiggin late on a winter Saturday night upstairs on a shoogly with your lumber snuggled up was a nice memory too.

Posted by: scotslad90 6th Dec 2003, 06:04pm

Rab why on earth would you have pigeons up ur jook on a tram?

Posted by: scotslad90 6th Dec 2003, 06:07pm

Is this a masonic thing?

Posted by: Rab 6th Dec 2003, 10:27pm

A long,long time ago, wee boys in Glasgow and district used to catch pigeons and keep them. I didnae myself ,but Ronnie did. He was taking them to Govan to sell them - see reference to 'good price'!. Nothing exotic about it. Do you think the clippie would have let him board with a pigeon in each haun?. sad.gif

Posted by: George Muir 6th Dec 2003, 10:35pm

A tram AND a cinema rolleyes.gif
Here's a picture which hangs in my lobby. It is one of a series of tram pictures by B. Stirling. Notice the boy wi his gird, and the Cambridge cinema on the right.


 

Posted by: GG 15th Dec 2003, 07:33pm



Here's a good wee page about the Glasgow Trams:

http://www.trolleybus.net/g1.htm

It starts of by telling us that:

QUOTE
Horse tram services started 19 August 1872

Electric traction from 13 October 1898 until 4 September 1962

Trolleybuses introduced 3 April 1949 - Abandoned 27 May 1967

Posted by: Melody 15th Dec 2003, 07:55pm

Trams remind me of Grand old Glasgow ladies out in their Sunday best! laugh.gif Thanks Martin

Posted by: Fearn 15th Dec 2003, 09:25pm

Glasgow trams remind me of being dressed up in my Sunday best, my Dad too, (complaining loudly!) and having to sit on a shoogly tram from Garrowhill (Baillieston) all the way to the farthermost reaches of Paisley Road West to visit friends of my Mums! sad.gif

Seemed to take hours - anyone have any idea of just how long it might have taken?

Posted by: david lowson 15th Dec 2003, 09:36pm

Like the guy pittin the penny doon on the line in Union Street 1962 that will be a good wee reminder.

Posted by: scotslad90 16th Dec 2003, 09:05am

Can only remember Trams being in use along the waterfront at Glasgow's Garden Festival in 1988 and huge queques of people wanting to ride them.I do vaguely remember trolley buses though,were they not extremely quiet and considered a danger because people did not hear them coming.I also remember a trolley bus ride through Govan somehere maybe about Langlands Rd and the conductor had to get off with a pole and do something to the electric cable to allow the bus to turn a corner.Not sure if this is fact or fiction?

Posted by: david lowson 16th Dec 2003, 09:11am

Yes Iain they were called the silent death. The 105 ran from Queens cross to Cathcart and would hurdle doon Garscube road at a fair speed.
Remember Dione Warwick getting knocked down in Renfield street.
The pole was kept at the top of the trolley, they had a bad habit of jumping the wires especially at the corner of Maryhill road and the road that leads to Firhill. Just next to jaconells cafe.

Posted by: carmella 16th Dec 2003, 12:02pm

I loved the Trams and can recall the smell vividly, though I had no idea then or now, what this was attributed to, but it is correct to say that it was unique only to them.

A good friend of mine, who is also an artist, painted two water colours of Trams, specifically because he knew how much I liked them. One is the No. 7 and the other the No. 23. This topic brings back fond memories for me.

In a way it's a great sadness that we no longer have trams, yet in many cities throughout the world these still run successfully and, are very popular.

Posted by: scotslad90 16th Dec 2003, 12:45pm

That is amazing David ,Dionne Warwick knocked done by a trolley bus in Glasgow....I never knew that!!.I am sure when they jumped the wires sparks flew I think I can remember the conductor using the pole and waiting expectantly for them to get zapped. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Kayleigh 16th Dec 2003, 12:57pm

Ah loved the trams, ah remember when they stopped running, ma wee granny took me intae the toon ta huv a last look at them running. In cas oanybudy's interested ah've fun a wee book aboot a tramcar clippie, it's called "Cummoangetaff! The Adventures of Big Aggie MacDonald, the Glasgow tramcar Clippie," these adventures of Big Aggie the caustic, wisecracking Glasgow tramcar clippie, should take readers back to the golden age of the tram. The seven short stories are interspersed with one-liners and jokes attributed to Aggie, and illistrations from cartoonist Besley. tongue.gif

Posted by: Mary48 16th Dec 2003, 01:01pm

LOL..sounds great, Kayleigh!

Posted by: George Muir 20th Dec 2003, 01:36am

ohmy.gif Is this tram auld enough for you, Scotslad? Cripes, even AH don't mind them!
See they were only 2 horsepower tae!


 

Posted by: david lowson 20th Dec 2003, 02:10am

Is that Scotsland driving and dont tell me that you are the conductor George. Great photos George any more?
That car would probably been the 23, then the 61. Like the man sittin in the top. Must hiv come frae Bearsden.

Posted by: George Muir 20th Dec 2003, 07:28am

rolleyes.gif David, this is a district that is near and dear tae my heart, Eglinton Toll with Victoria Rd. on the left and Pollokshaws Rd. on the right, looking towards Queen's Park. I remember as a kid watching this transformation taking place. McNees Pub on the left, with the Plaza dance hall nearby and further up Butterbiggins Rd. with Larkfield Garage and the New Cinerama at the corner. All you southsiders will recognize this scene. Those were the days

 

Posted by: david lowson 20th Dec 2003, 08:06am

Goodness me george how things have changed,1946 was my birh and I drove the 43 bus from Ruchill to Cathcart on that route.
when jean (sjmac) was here I told them a wee story aboot that route, it wis a rangers v celtic Scottish cup final (say no more).
Did the trams run out of Larkfield?

Posted by: Luceo 20th Dec 2003, 08:19am

That is a fascinating picture of Eglinton Toll, George. I passed the Toll only a few days ago and I was dismayed to find that the building which formerly housed McNee's pub is gone. While the pub has been gone for some time the building had survived and I think it had various other uses. I am pretty sure that the Plaza is still there but I don't know if it is used as a dance hall these days. I would doubt it, somehow.

I cannot say for sure but I think that it was only buses which ran out of Larkfield, the trams running out of Coplaw Street Depot which is only a short distance away. The tram depot housed the Transport Museum for a long time and more recently has been home to the Tramway Theatre.

Regards,

Luceo

Posted by: ewanmac 20th Dec 2003, 08:33am

The trams never run out of Larkfied, but they did run from Langside Depot

Posted by: scotslad90 20th Dec 2003, 12:02pm

Anyone any idea what was a normal school in Maryhill????


 

Posted by: david lowson 20th Dec 2003, 12:22pm

Yes Iain the normal school was Dundas Vale at the Cowcaddens. If I recall right going down new city road , before you get to the junction of Garscube road the school was on the left hand side.
past the old Cambridge picture hall and Dales cycles, there was also a large garage there, I think it was called SMT then the normal school.

Posted by: scotslad90 20th Dec 2003, 12:29pm

What did they mean by normal David? Don't remember the Cambridge or any of the other places you mentioned but there is still a little school on the left hand side on Garscube Rd but I think it might be modern -maybe 80's or something not too sure.

Posted by: Luceo 20th Dec 2003, 12:32pm

As a child I supposed that the "Normal School" I saw on the destination boards on the trams meant that the school was "normal" as opposed to "special" and it puzzled me for a long time. After all, weren't most schools "normal"?.

I looked the term up a few years ago and if memory serves me a "normal school" is an institution for the training of primary teachers. I think the term is derived from the French where "norme" means a standard (or norm?).

The destination referred to in the photograph was the Normal School which I believe was in New City Road. I am not at all sure about that so perhaps someone from that area can confirm it.

Regards,

Luceo

Posted by: david lowson 20th Dec 2003, 12:37pm

Dont Know Iain but it was also a nursery school. The normal school was on New City Road. Long gone now I think it is an overpass now. Surprised you have never heard of the Cambridge picture hall.

Posted by: scotslad90 20th Dec 2003, 12:40pm

Luceo I am rather confused about this.Was this particular tram like a school bus because where on the Garscube Rd could the tram be turned around if that was simply its destination-did they have a drivers cabin at both ends??

Posted by: david lowson 20th Dec 2003, 12:43pm

Luceo Normal school was a primary school (Dundas Vale) I went to secondary school with a few of my friends who attened that school.
My school was St. Georges Road.

Posted by: scotslad90 20th Dec 2003, 12:45pm

Have heard people talk about the Cambridge David but I have no idea where it was?

Posted by: david lowson 20th Dec 2003, 12:54pm

yes before the road split one to cambridge street the other to new city road. They changed about 100 metres from the junction o the gas pipe. the rails had a x cross go foreward then change the points or whatever they called them.
Anniesland cross had the same system.

Posted by: George Muir 20th Dec 2003, 06:51pm

Luceo, you're right on. According to "The Second City", Sabbath or Sunday Schools were introduced to Glasgow by Dr. Thomas Chalmers, minister of the Tron Church and later Professor at St. Andrews University. They were for formal rather than religious education. In the late 1700s and early 1800s, with the growing population, and not enough schools or teachers, David Stow, a city merchant, in collaboration with Chalmers, came up with the idea of a school for the training of new teachers, resulting in the formation in Cowcaddens of the Normal School for the Training of Teachers in 1836.

Posted by: Luceo 20th Dec 2003, 06:57pm

Thanks, George, that is a clearer description than the one I was able to come up with.

Trams did have a driver's cab at both ends and the backs of the passenger seats could be flipped over so that passengers were always facing forward.

Regards,

Luceo

Posted by: Rab 20th Dec 2003, 08:44pm

Trams in Charing Cross ..............

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Posted by: Rab 20th Dec 2003, 08:48pm

Trams (and others) in St Vincent Place ................

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Posted by: Rab 20th Dec 2003, 08:55pm

Trams in Argyle St. .........

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Posted by: Rab 20th Dec 2003, 09:01pm

Trams on Jamaica Bridge - so many its a wonder it didnae collapse! .........

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Posted by: Rab 20th Dec 2003, 09:06pm

(Roofless) Tram in Trongate ..............

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Posted by: david lowson 20th Dec 2003, 09:16pm

Good one Rab
Iain one of the pupils of Dundas Vale (normal School) was jimmy barnes who was the lead singer of the Aussie band cold Chisel/
Now that you mentoin it the old cambridge was right across the road from Stow college. It was on Shamrock street.

Posted by: scotslad90 21st Dec 2003, 05:27pm

Still can't place it David-the college lies on the edge of the motorway and the exit ramp for Gt Western Rd so i suppose a lot of places were demolished when the motorway was being constructed.This is the motorway just beyond that section today as it approaches the Charing Cross underpass.


 

Posted by: david lowson 21st Dec 2003, 07:49pm

Yes Iain that was once Shamrock Street it ran from New city road to St. Georges road. Great picts.

Posted by: scotslad90 21st Dec 2003, 08:23pm

The pics are crappy David-we have so little light each day.Roll on summer,get your order in fast lol...........

Posted by: david lowson 22nd Dec 2003, 09:55pm

Will send you some of the sun Iain.
We are called the sunshine state in Australia wae an average o 10 hours a day sunshine. Feel free to have some of the heat, it got up to 39 in Ipswich (Qld) thats my area, and it will be even hotter the day.

Posted by: ewanmac 23rd Dec 2003, 04:14am

Renfield Street around 1938. A few trams on the roads then.


 

Posted by: scotslad90 23rd Dec 2003, 04:51am

Thats an amazing picture Ewan-even more congested than it is today and buses squeezed in as well .It must have been pretty dangerous getting on and off the trams with so much traffic around.

Posted by: ewanmac 23rd Dec 2003, 12:45pm

Yes it was very congested in those days. I drove Corporation buses in the late fifties and driving on these roads was a bit harum scarum. When you over-took the trams, you had six inches between the bus and the tram and the same on the other side with the lamp posts, so not much room for error.

Posted by: scotslad90 23rd Dec 2003, 10:14pm

Well these streets are still the same size or in some cases even more restricted because of ramps and barriers........can see why the idea of never bringing back the trams caught on .

Posted by: david lowson 24th Dec 2003, 08:03am

Ewanmac nothing had changed that much when I was driving the buses in the middle 70s, great picture ( nae Overtaking Noo) have a great xmas David (ex Maryhill Driver)
Yes those tailenders where scary, esp if you had to run to catch them.

Posted by: ewanmac 24th Dec 2003, 08:11am

Merry Christmas to you David and all other ex-pats who subscribe to the Glasgow Guide. I just don't know why more tipsy passengers didn't do a header off the platform.They seemed to be aware of the perils.

Posted by: Isobel 10th Jan 2004, 04:32am

I can remember having to go by tram to school. It would only cost a penny for the ride ,but all the kids would run up the stairs at one end and down the other side .Just to skip your fare and buy a penny carmel.Most of the conductors knew what we were up to.

Posted by: beckettjim 10th Dec 2004, 01:48pm

QUOTE (david lowson @ 20th Dec 2003, 12:39 PM)
Yes Iain the normal school was Dundas Vale at the Cowcaddens. If I recall right going down new city road , before you get to the junction of Garscube road the school was on the left hand side.
past the old Cambridge picture hall and Dales cycles, there was also a large garage there, I think it was called SMT then the normal school.

across from dallas's department store

Posted by: dbarber 5th Jan 2005, 09:26pm

QUOTE (Luceo @ 20th Dec 2003, 03:36 AM)
That is a fascinating picture of Eglinton Toll, George. I passed the Toll only a few days ago and I was dismayed to find that the building which formerly housed McNee's pub is gone. While the pub has been gone for some time the building had survived and I think it had various other uses. I am pretty sure that the Plaza is still there but I don't know if it is used as a dance hall these days. I would doubt it, somehow.

I cannot say for sure but I think that it was only buses which ran out of Larkfield, the trams running out of Coplaw Street Depot which is only a short distance away. The tram depot housed the Transport Museum for a long time and more recently has been home to the Tramway Theatre.

Regards,

Luceo

I worked on the buses from1955-60in Larkfield Garage and it was only buses that ran from there

Posted by: wee mags 10th Jan 2005, 04:17am

Iam sorry but I posted some pictures of cars in the Glasgow Transportation post ohmy.gif

Posted by: FrankM 10th Jan 2005, 07:48am

The Plaza was closed and sold about 5/6 years ago and was supposed to be converted into a "super club". IT is still unused and presumably will catch fire some day and be demolished to make way for luxury flats.

Posted by: boots 10th Jan 2005, 09:03pm

Mags, 10 lashes wi' a wet spaghetti noodle.

Frank, Do I detect a note of irony there?

Posted by: FrankM 11th Jan 2005, 08:19am

QUOTE (boots @ 10th Jan 2005, 09:20 PM)
Mags, 10 lashes wi' a wet spaghetti noodle.

Frank, Do I detect a note of irony there?

There's a wee bit of debate on the hidden Glasgow site and at least one photo of the Plaza.

http://www.hiddenglasgow.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26&start=70

Posted by: carmella 11th Jan 2005, 04:37pm

It's a shame that the other pictures didn't come out in the forum.

And as was said, often these places close down with some view of them being converted to a nightclub, only to have their use changed to that of flats and/or apartments - at huge expense to the purchaser of course.

Posted by: stuarty 1st Jun 2005, 06:54am

i went tae the piaza once and i just have fantastic memories going on a trolly bus we go on the one from muirend to marymill i always pretended to be the driver bliddy marvelous wub.gif

Posted by: glasgowken 9th Nov 2006, 03:42pm

A couple of silent films from the Glasgow Trams DVDs. The first one is scenes from the city centre, the second shows the tram motormen (& a motorwoman), & conductors.


http://redirect.php?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VVPogQtI_Y
http://redirect.php?url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRcT_i3rZY

Posted by: Rab 9th Nov 2006, 04:12pm

Thanks Ken I thoroughly enjoyed that. biggrin.gif

Posted by: ems 9th Nov 2006, 05:20pm

Yes, thanks Ken. I watched a few of the videos and couldn't believe the stream of buses and trams all the time, and did you see how many people just ran across the road in front of all the traffic.......... ohmy.gif

Posted by: glasgowken 9th Nov 2006, 06:01pm

ems, you should see Union Street today, Glasgow folk still have no fear of buses biggrin.gif


Thanks all, I was going to post a couple more from different parts of the city, let me know if you have any requests for a particular area, and i'll see if it's covered wink.gif

Posted by: Rab 9th Nov 2006, 06:54pm

That wan charging round George Square looked like he was in a race!. Didnae go as fast as that when I was wee. I spent hours on the No 9 to Auchenshuggle - what a great name for a tram destination! laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Gallusbisom 9th Nov 2006, 07:13pm

Loved the video, now I have a question, the cars (caurs ) were colour coded, Yellow, Green, Red, Blue etc. does any one have any info. as to the numbers of the trams and the colours? I think I remember you got a certain colour tram to go to a certain place??? Help! GB

Posted by: glasgowken 9th Nov 2006, 08:33pm

The colours were,

Red,
Green,
Yellow,
Blue,
White.

One of these colours was applied as a band to the panels between the top & lower deck windows. And as you say the colour depended on the route.
This system was a bit inflexible, so in 1938, service numbers were introduced on trams (the buses had already been using this system for years) and the different colour bands were painted over with the universal standard light green that was used on GCT buses.
Because of the sheer number of trams it took until 1954 until the very last coloured tram was repainted.

The colour, & later number, list is a bit long, but i'll post it on here soon.

Posted by: Melody 9th Nov 2006, 08:41pm

Ken those videos were brilliant, such nostalgia. Just wonderful to see those images again. Ems I'm laughing about the folks in Glasgow having absolutely no respect for traffic, it is exactly the same today and often makes me smile when I'm in town. We're fearless in the face of disaster and in a hurry. laugh.gif I forgot to say mad as well. laugh.gif

Posted by: George Muir 9th Nov 2006, 08:42pm

I think the green tram used to go along Cathcart Road, would it be the number 13 route?

Posted by: georgia 9th Nov 2006, 11:40pm

Great wee videos Ken, for a few minutes ah wiz a wee lassie in Glesga again! smile.gif

I did laugh at the policeman's patience while the trolley bus conductor held up the traffic at (I think) Glasgow Cross and came out with his pole to change the overhead cables also the wee man shuvin' his barra in between the buses and tramcars. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Oor Wullie 10th Nov 2006, 12:40am

Great videos. Thanks to Ken for that.

On my maternal grandparents' marriage registration [ in 1919] my grandfather's occupation is given as " Tramcar Motorman". I believe he had been driving a tram for quite some time before his marriage.

Anybody know when the trams first ran in Glasgow ?.

Posted by: mitchell 10th Nov 2006, 06:44am

Scotlands first passenger tram service opened in Edinburgh in 1871, the precursor of over 30 built in and between Scottish towns and cities before World War I.
The earliest were horse-drawn, but in August 1877 the Vale of Clyde Tramway Co inaugurated the UK's first urban steam tram service on its Glasgow to Govan route.
The first electric tramway in Scotland was a short privat route in Carstairs House in Lanarkshire.
Glasgow Corpie was the first operator in Scotland to introduce an electric tram service, on its Springburn route in 1898.
I believe it was Springburn to Mitchell Street.

Posted by: glasgowken 10th Nov 2006, 11:22am

Just to add to what mitchell says. The first tram service in Glasgow started in August 1872, and was operated by the Glasgow Tramway & Omnibus Co Ltd, running on tracks leased from the city.
Glasgow Corporation decided to run it's own service, and started operating on the 1st of July 1894. Electric trams started to be introduced in 1898, the first electric tram depot was in Keppochill Road, Springburn (it later became the Springburn Steamie).


As promised, the Glasgow tram service colours (as of 1924).

Green
Paisley
Kelvinside
Springfield Road
Shettleston
Ibrox
Uddingston
Coatbridge
Keppochill Road
Whiteinch
Scotstoun
Renfew Ferry
Johnstone
Kilbarchan
Abbotsinch

Red
Anniesland
Cambuslang
Battlefield
Carlton Place
Kelvinside Avenue
Sinclair Drive
Hillfoot
Mount Florida
Bishopbriggs
Millerston
Rouken Glen
Dalmuir West
Clydebank
Auchenshuggle
Burnside

Blue
Renfrew
Paisley
Barrhead
Pollokshaws
Maryhill
Hillfoot
Lambhill
Keppochill Road
Linthouse
Kirklee
Oatlands
Rutherglen
Alexandria Park
Kelvinside Cross

Yellow
Mount Florida
Paisley Road Toll
Riddrie
Craigton Road
Clarkston
Langside
Kirklee
Jordanhill

White
University
Mosspark
Springburn
Netherlee
Provanmill
Polmadie
Burnside



Now the Glasgow tram service numbers & colours (as of 1938, unless stated).
Note, many of the services changed over time, and the colours were phased out completely. New services added after 1938 were not allocated colours.

1 Green
Knightswood or Kelvinside to Airdrie.

1A Green
Dalmuir West or Scotstounhill to Springfield Road.

2 White
Provanmill to Polmadie.

3 White
University to Mosspark.

3A White
University to Mosspark.

4 Blue
Keppochill Road to Renfew Airport (changed to Renfrew South in 1940 for security reasons).

4A Blue
Sprinburn to Linthouse.

4B Blue
Lambhill to Linthouse.

5 Yellow
Clarkston to Kirklee.

5A Yellow
Langside to Jordanhill.

6 Blue
Riddrie or Alexandria Park to Scotstoun or Dalmuir West.

7 Yellow
Millerston or Riddrie to Craigton Road.

8 and 8A Red (this had a complex route, i've simplified it here)
Bishopbriggs or Springburn to Rouken Glen

9 Red
Dalmuir West to London Road or Auchenshuggle.

9A and 9B Red
Scotstoun to Rutherglen or Burnside.

10 Blue
Rutherglen to Kirklee.

10A (introduced in 1944)
Rutherglen to Kirklee.

11 Red
Maryhill or Gairbraid Avenue to Sinclair Drive.

12 Yellow
Mount Florida to Paisley Road Toll.

13 Red
Mount Florida to Hillfoot or Milngavie.

14 Blue
Milngavie, Hillfoot, or Maryhill to Renfrew Ferry.

14A (introduced 1947)
Speirsbridge or Pollokshaws to Kelvingrove.

14B (introduced 1948)
Castle Street to Carnwadrie.

15 Green
Airdrie to Ferguslie Mills.

15A Green
Uddingston or Tollcross to Ferguslie Mills.

16 Green
Whiteinch to Keppochill Road.

17 Red
Cambuslang to Anniesland.

18 White
Springburn to Rutherglen or Burnside

18A (introduced 1955)
Springburn to Shawfield.

19 White
Springburn to Netherlee.

20 (single deck cars, no service colour)
Yoker or Clydebank, to Duntocher.

21 (introduced 1938)
Provanmill to Crookston.

22 (introduced 1943)
Crookston to St Vincent Street.

23 (introduced 1943)
Airdrie to Kelvingrove.

24 (introduced 1943 to replace the 5A)
Anniesland to Langside.

24A (introduced 1951)
Kelvingrove to Sinclair Drive.

25 (introduced 1943)
Bishopbriggs or Springburn to Carnwadric or Rouken Glen.

26 (introduced 1943)
Burnside or Rutherglen to Scotstoun, Clydebank, or Dalmuir West.

26A (introduced 1955)
Clydebank or Scotsoun to Shawfield.

27 (introduced 1943)
Springburn to Shieldhall or Renfrew Cross.

28 (introduced 1943)
Renfrew Ferry to Speirsbridge.

29 (introduced 1943)
Anderston Cross to Tollcross or Uddingston.

30 (introduced 1938 as a special service for the Empire Exhibition. Later withdrawn, but reinstated in 1943 to replace service 1A)
Circular - St Vincent Steet to Exhibition.
(As of 1943) Knightswood or Kelvinside to Springfield Road.

31 (introduced 1938, another special service for the Empire Exhibition. Later withdrawn, but reinstated in 1943 to replace service 4B)
Linthouse to Exhibition.
(As of 1943) Lambhill to Hillington Road or Renfrew Cross.

32 (introduced 1943)
Provanmill to Elderslie.

33 (introduced 1944)
Circle Springburn.

34 (introduced 1946)
Circle Parkhead to Bridgeton Cross.

35 (introduced 1949)
Dennistoun to Circle Rutherglen.

36 (introduced 1949)
Kelvinside to Circle Parkhead.

40 (introduced 1943)
Drumbreck to St Vincent Street.


Sorry for the very long post. As I said many of these services were altered over time, and as you can see some numbers have more than one destination, so you had to be careful and check the screens before boarding, or ask the ever helpful clippie (helpful ??????? tongue.gif ).

Posted by: Robert Howie 14th Jan 2008, 05:34am

For anyone interested in Glasgow trams they may want to visit my website. I am presently building the whole of the former Glasgow tramway as a simulator. The trams can be driven or watch them go by or programmed to travel bwteeen different diestinations. However only if someone has the rail sim Auran Trainz.

So far off and on I have worked on this for two years and covering every single line including those that went pre-war such as the line to Johnston and Kilbarchan. Went right out to Airdrie, Uddingston, Duntocher, Barrhead, Paisley area, etc. I have walked around 150 miles. I have slideshows for West-City Centre-North-East-South East-South West. I am presently working on the last part in the South covering Quuen's park, Langsaide, Mount Florida, Cathcart, Clarkston, Roken Glen, etc. The trams include excellent builds of standards-Kilmarnock bogies-Coronation-Cunarders and modern bendy trams as well. Also have a brilliant build of the single decker that ran up the Duntocher line. Those were not made by me but built for me. I tried the Culture & Leisure Services Dept as i thought they would be interested in a video presentation in the Transport Museum but all I got was an acknowledgement postcard last year that someone would contact me. Of course they didn't. This time I wil try the Museum direct as I have a name now. So if you want to see Glasgow trams visit my website. Shortly I will put in short video clips so the trasm can be seen in action.

http://www.tramwaysim.moonfruit.com

Posted by: tombro 15th Jan 2008, 11:03am

When I left Glasgow in 1960 the trams were still running. Often travelled from Clydebank to visit my granny in Anderston on the tram, after catching a Red Bus from Drumchapel to Clydebank. Also, with my older brother, used to jump on the tram in Argyle Street and head off to Parkhead for a football match, whether first or reserve grade. Also caught trams over on the Govan side when visiting another granny in Tewkerhill, but also remember Trolley Buses, the 106 I think, in that area, too !

Love the discussion and memories !

Tom

Posted by: jock 16th Jan 2008, 12:55am

Very nice site Robert. Keep up the good work!!

Posted by: Gemini 19th Jan 2008, 02:10pm

very nice tombro, being a former clippie I thoroughly enjoyed the slide show thank you very much, will be visiting it again many a memory you brought back

Posted by: Jim Wilson 21st Jan 2008, 04:36am

Scotslad90
perhaps they were part of the Flying Squad
Sorry pals this quote was refering to post 15
I forgot about the other pages

Posted by: tombro 27th Jan 2008, 04:41am

Thanks, Gemini, for the vote of confidence. Sadly, though, Robert in the post above mine should have been the recipient of all the kudos.

I wish I could produce stuff like that on the computer but my expertise ends with the keyboard and typing letters !

To Robert, thanks mate for bringing back some great memories of my Glasgow from 46 years ago !

Tombro

Posted by: Weegieboy 4th Feb 2008, 01:07am

They are re-modelling Renfrew High Street just now and when they dug up part of it, I saw they had exposed some of the tram lines which must have been covered with tarmac when the line closed.
I used to ride the tram from Linthouse to Renfrew on saturday mornings when I went swimming in the Victory Baths.

Posted by: Robert Howie 2nd Jul 2008, 01:32am

Weegieboy if you see this would you please get back to me regarding my tramway. I am in need of info on your tram journey from Linthouse to Renfrew rather than a wild guess on my part! I have been unable to get what I want regarding what the area between the two - Braehead, etc looked like then. You can either respond here or directly.

Robert howie

rjhowie@yahoo.com

(Glasgow tram simulator www.tramwaysim.moonfruit.com)

Posted by: auchinairnboy 7th Jul 2008, 08:44am

There doesn't seem to be any chat about trolleybuses. Remember them? They took their power from overhead wires. I only vaguely remember them. My dad and I used to get the 105 to/from Hampden in the early 60s. The destination was Queens Cross. I think that was going back into town. I've still no idea where Queens Cross is/was.

Posted by: andypisces 7th Jul 2008, 12:54pm

Queens cross is where garscube road ends and joins maryhill road. the rennie macintosh society have the old queens cross church right there. Just up springbank st, that also runs off queens cross, you will find the home of the world famous PARTICK THISTLE the great glasgow alternative.Springbank st is also the birthplace of yours truly. the 105 would turn right off garscube road and go up springbank st then left on firhill road and left on northpark st before returning on its journey downtown ......Andy

Posted by: kidsmom 7th Jul 2008, 03:45pm

I had an aunt who was famous for a couple of reason 1 of which I wont mention but let me say she was a clippie for many years she even had a story in the paper about her on the busses but long before that she was the first woman clippie out of the Parkhead depot .

Posted by: jock 7th Jul 2008, 10:13pm

I have fond memories of the clippies. Wish someone would write a book by and about former clippies who worked during and after WW2. With what they had to put up with, ahm sure their stories would be memorable.

Posted by: kidsmom 8th Jul 2008, 08:28am

My aunt Hannah was a clippie during that time and she was in the paper and they asked about her badges she wore on her lappel she had badges from an american soldier who wanted to marry her but had been sadly killed during the war , she never married at all .

Posted by: CAT 8th Jul 2008, 11:39am

How sad Kidsmom. I'm sure treasured those badges all her days.
I bet your aunt had a few tales to tell about those days laugh.gif

Posted by: maryhillgal 8th Jul 2008, 02:41pm

An old neighbour we had in Maryhill used to be a tram driver and he sung this song about the clippies during the war. It was to the tune of Lily Marlene and I can only remember one verse which was:

"One night a crowd of yankies came aboard ma caur.
They started jumping oan the seats and gaun a bit too faur.
Says ah tae them get aff yer knees, yer no playin' tig wae the Japanese
Cause I'm the Lily of the transport, ah'm called the Transport Queen."

If any other verses come back to me I will let you know.

Posted by: Dimairt 8th Jul 2008, 05:08pm

Here's a few trolleybus shots for Auchinairn Boy and Maryhill Gal. The first is at the Northpark St terminus; the second shows the bus turning into Maryhill Rd at Queen's Cross and the third is at the top of West Nile St approaching Cowcaddens St. on the way to Queen's Cross.
I recommend the site below for anyone looking for tram photos; there are some great ones here.

http://www.tramway.co.uk/smx/cms/home/

Le durachd,

Eddy






 

Posted by: AGNES & ROBERT 9th Dec 2008, 06:46am

Before we got married my Wife was a Conductress at Maryhill Depot I used to wait for her at the big door for her when she was on I think it was the last car I can still see that Depot in my mind 56 years on ,one of the cars was a 29 she worked there on 1952.

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th Dec 2008, 07:41am



Pic 1- Tram passing State cinema, Shettleston

Pic 2- Tram at Westmuir Street end of Shettleston Road

Routes were 15- Anderston Cross to Airdrie,( latterly Baillieston )& 23 - Gairbraid Avenue to Garrowhill or Baillieston.


 

Posted by: tracystreet 7th Feb 2010, 12:14am

My dad Robert Hebditch, used to drive the trams and he drove one of the last ones to run. He was also in the papers when he had a crash in one with a lorry which went in the clyde.

Posted by: The Bankie 28th Oct 2010, 07:22pm

Hi Guys
I'm trying to build a OO scale tramway to run this on

But I need details of tenements to produce a model street. Things like the size of the blocks used to build tenements, window and door sizes, Room sizes.

Can anyone help?

The Bankie

Posted by: angel 29th Sep 2011, 01:54pm



The last tram caur .



http://youtu.be/kO2DmTnXlDA

Posted by: Jupiter 29th Sep 2011, 03:15pm

Angel,thanks for putting the tram film info on.It was the first time Ive seen it and I was really pleased to see the various locations.
For anyone interested the Telstar music track can be found on the Music of Joe Meek cds,great music from that period.
Joop

Posted by: angel 29th Sep 2011, 03:51pm

Yes Jupiter , I got it in my Email this morning , it's a pretty good film
but it makes me feel sad , that was a whole lifetime ago in another world . sad.gif

Posted by: Doug1 24th May 2012, 09:20am

I well remember the trams when I was a youngster. I used to get the tram from paisley road west into the toon centre and it was always great fun as it shoogled aboot the road and sometimes it shoogled so much you fell aff your seat and landed on the flair. I seem to remember that sometimes the thing on the roof which ran along the electric wires would come of and the driver would come out with a big long pole and get it back on again lol When you reached the terminus the conductor would go up the aisle pushing the seats backwards so that you would be facing the right way again

But when me and my pals were out on our bikes we didnae like the trams because our bike tyres got stuck in the rails and you usually ended up going over the handlebars Ouch!!

If my memory serves me right I think i remember lots of trams on Govan road full of all the shipyard workers going hame from work

This really brings back old memories thumbup.gif


Posted by: Purplefan 3rd May 2013, 07:22pm

Hi all, i love reading all your posts.
I hope someone on hear can help me?

I was born in 1962. The last Glasgow tram ran in 1962 correct?

Then why do i remember being on a tram with my aunt Jean when i was about 4 in possilpark?
Is my memory playing tricks?


Posted by: Foxy52 3rd May 2013, 08:14pm

Hi Purplefan,
The old memory must be playing tricks, l think by 1966 all the tram lines were torn up and repaved. Did your Auntie maybe take you to the old Transport Museum, which l think opened up in 1966
Cheers
Foxy

Posted by: tawom 3rd May 2013, 09:20pm

Hi Purplefan,

Maybe you were on a trolley bus, they were still running then.

Posted by: Purplefan 3rd May 2013, 10:34pm

QUOTE (tawom @ 3rd May 2013, 09:37pm) *
Hi Purplefan,

Maybe you were on a trolley bus, they were still running then.



I never thought of that. It must have been. But i swore on a stack of Bibles, that it was a tram.
I remember the sticks on top of the bus/tram, perhaps that's why i thought
it was a tram?

Posted by: Foxy52 4th May 2013, 03:21am

Might have been a trolley bus, but it would not have been in Possil, the nearest trolley bus would have been on Garscube Road, If l remember it ran from Queens Cross to Polmadie, or maybe Mt Florida. Could be my memory playing tricks on me too.
Cheers
Foxy

Posted by: Tam C 4th May 2013, 08:49am

Hi Foxy yer rite remember taking the trolley bus from Queens cross over to hampden park passing the old third lanark football park cathkin .Cheers Tam C

Posted by: Guvin jim 7th May 2013, 09:10am

QUOTE (The Bankie @ 28th Oct 2010, 07:39pm) *
Hi Guys
I'm trying to build a OO scale tramway to run this on

But I need details of tenements to produce a model street. Things like the size of the blocks used to build tenements, window and door sizes, Room sizes.

Can anyone help?

The Bankie

Dear Bankie, I am a builder of scale models, sailing ships and Samurai for the most part. I have seen articles on how to scale ships from photographs. I am sure you could scale tenements from photos of them with buses trams etc. and people beside them. There is an excellent collection of pictures of tenements and Glasgow streetscapes on "Citynoise Govan". Just type it in on your search engine but wait a few mins. before scrolling down as it needs to set up a lot of photos.

Posted by: partick boy 10th Jun 2013, 10:25am

Anyone help with these: - when we were kids in Pollock in the early 50's as a treat we used to go on a tram from Barrhead Cross (Toll?) out to 'somewhere way oot in the country'. Could it have been to Carnwadric, perhaps? The main thing I remember it was a really long ride, and part of it was alongside a drystone wall right up to the track and fields that stretched for ever (to wee eyes).

Other thing, I used to go to school in Partick via the wee chuggy ferry at Govan. When did they stop running, and was it 2d each way in those days. wacko.gif

Posted by: Guvinjim 15th Jun 2013, 02:07am

QUOTE (partick boy @ 10th Jun 2013, 10:33am) *
Anyone help with these: - when we were kids in Pollock in the early 50's as a treat we used to go on a tram from Barrhead Cross (Toll?) out to 'somewhere way oot in the country'. Could it have been to Carnwadric, perhaps? The main thing I remember it was a really long ride, and part of it was alongside a drystone wall right up to the track and fields that stretched for ever (to wee eyes).

Other thing, I used to go to school in Partick via the wee chuggy ferry at Govan. When did they stop running, and was it 2d each way in those days. wacko.gif

Acumfaeyguvin bit a never remembered paeying oan the wee ferry tae Patrick ( a usedtae get cunfused ower that yin). A huv a wheene a photies o' me at a wedding in Carnwadric an tae this dae a' still dont' ken whaur it is or wis. A dont remember gettin there or cumin back. A' didnae even know if it wis in Glescga!!!!

Posted by: DavidT 13th Aug 2013, 11:01pm

10 minutes of archive footage over several decades. Some of it very poor quality, but at least they saved it. I don't recognise half the places even though the title says this is all Glasgow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYju-F-raQo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Posted by: Jupiter 14th Aug 2013, 10:47am

David nice wee film 05.33 and 08.10 Maryhill rd and GWRd.

Posted by: Betsy2009 14th Aug 2013, 11:05am

I remember a tram that went to the Art Galleries. I think it was one of the last to go.

Posted by: Dimairt 22nd Aug 2013, 09:25am

Just got these in the post from EBay, see if you know the locations.

Durachdan,

Eddy












 

Posted by: Foxy52 22nd Aug 2013, 10:04am

photo number 3 is at Keppochhill Road and Millerbank St
Cheers
Foxy

Posted by: Dimairt 22nd Aug 2013, 11:20am

QUOTE (Foxy52 @ 22nd Aug 2013, 11:02am) *
photo number 3 is at Keppochhill Road and Millerbank St
Cheers
Foxy

Give that man a coconut!

Durachdan,

Eddy

Posted by: Tam C 22nd Aug 2013, 12:48pm

Hi Foxy
You just beat me to it with the tram at Keppochhill Rd , trying to remember was it the number 4 or the number 16 that went to Scotstoun .Great photo's Eddy keep them coming
Cheers Tam C

Posted by: Foxy52 23rd Aug 2013, 12:52am

QUOTE (Dimairt @ 22nd Aug 2013, 07:18am) *
Give that man a coconut!

Durachdan,

Eddy

Eddy, l am partial to Coconut rum, does that count?
Cheers
Foxy

Didnae mean to pip you at the post Tam,

Posted by: Jupiter 23rd Aug 2013, 09:27am

Great pics Eddy, Number 4 Cowcaddens turning into Hope Street
5 Dumbarton Road looking east towards the Uni at junction
with Crow Road.

Joop. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: dizzybint 7th Oct 2016, 02:19pm

QUOTE (Fearn @ 6th Dec 2003, 02:46am) *
Hello Luceo:

Amazing how long 'forgotten' things come back! I only needed to get to Garrowhill (said Baillieston) as few folks seem to remember Garrownhill so maybe it was the 23 that I took.

I believe trams did have a distinctive smell (probably stale smoke, chips, pies an black pudding!). I can't describe it either but pretty sure if I smelt it today, memories would be triggered. smile.gif

Where are you hangin yer hat these days?

They did have a funny dank smell a bit like the subway.. I always sick on them and could only go a short journey on one because of the shooglin.

Posted by: rjhowie 1st Mar 2019, 09:54pm

www.glasgowtramsim.moonfruit.com

This took me dashed ages and a very clever vehicle builder did a brilliant job of building the Standard, Kilmarnock Bogie, Single-Decker, Coronation, and it's later version. Years ago I bought a giant rolled sketch map of every route and I actually walked over a hundred miles for the fun of it as well as tracing where every terminus once was. It is amongst the largest tram sims built re a former real one and i lve driving those trams I have always fondly remembered.

When I built it people who own N3V TRAINZ rail simulator were taken aback looking at the map as to how extensive Glasgow's tramway was running into other nearby towns. Loved the trams to a bit and now folk can spend literally hours driving what was Gt Britain's once largest tram system outside London

Posted by: rjhowie 4th Aug 2019, 12:43am

I several years back using an overseas train simulator built the whloe of the Glasgow tram system. Used a sketch ma I bought and in practice I walked every former line around 140 miles. Right out to places like Cambuslang, Airdrie, Duntocher, Pasiley, Kohnstone, Kilbarchan, Barrhead and s on. Took me off and on three years to try and not give up. Can drive Coronations, Cunarders, Kilmarnock Bogies, Stdarads and single decker!

www.glasgowtramsim.moonfruit.com

Posted by: Dave Grieve 9th Aug 2019, 08:54pm

That is a labour of love to be sure. To build the entire system is no small feat but to actually walk the various routes.

I can only lift my hat to you.

Posted by: taurus 10th Aug 2019, 12:05am

dave its nice to see you on the board again I thought you had deserted us.

Posted by: Dave Grieve 10th Aug 2019, 03:10am

Thank you Taurus
Not a desertion so much as an enforced absence.
I have had three strokes in the past year and find it difficult to concentrate on anything that I have to focus on like reading and writing
Anyway onwards and upwards.