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> Uk Independence Referendum - Brexit, Yes or No on EU membership
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Kemedian
post 19th Jan 2016, 12:20pm
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scot...litics-35348750

Bring it on.
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post 19th Jan 2016, 12:58pm
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backing the tories kem?

hardly a surprise really
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post 19th Jan 2016, 05:03pm
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QUOTE (ktv @ 19th Jan 2016, 01:06pm) *
backing the tories

I'm quite sure we could cope with two ballots all at once.

First of all, the election will be no contest; 45% past the post is plenty. Except in referendums of course, but if the PM gets his way then he should win his next one even more convincingly.

You can't blame him for another Indyref being dependent on us leaving the EU. (That would be the SNP manifesto.unsure.gif)
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post 19th Jan 2016, 05:10pm
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I don't think that Cameron wants to leave the EU. He's just doing this as a PR exercise.
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post 19th Jan 2016, 11:08pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 19th Jan 2016, 12:28pm) *


Dam right bring it on, the closer it is to the mayhem going on in the EU the better.

Seen this on another forum, Farage at the EU parliament stating the obvious to a few grim faces




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post 20th Jan 2016, 11:44am
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 19th Jan 2016, 05:11pm) *
I'm quite sure we could cope with two ballots all at once.

First of all, the election will be no contest; 45% past the post is plenty. Except in referendums of course, but if the PM gets his way then he should win his next one even more convincingly.

You can't blame him for another Indyref being dependent on us leaving the EU. (That would be the SNP manifesto.unsure.gif)

another indy ref for scotland isnt dependant on anything to do with the EU, its been stated many many times that IF we vote differently then it might...thats a big IF, i suspect (as many do) that the difference between scotland and the rest of the uk on this subject will be minimal.


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Farage .....


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post 22nd Jan 2016, 12:01am
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Sillars blasts SNP's 'love affair' with EU as he backs exit campaign

Former SNP deputy leader Jim Sillars has criticised the party's "love affair" with Europe as he revealed he will campaign for the UK to leave the European Union (EU).

Mr Sillars said he had met and would be happy to work with former MP Nigel Griffiths, who is leading a Labour campaign to leave the EU in Scotland.

The veteran nationalist and independence campaigner said he believed there could be SNP members who disagreed with the party leadership on Europe but would not speak out for fear of being branded "disloyal".

First Minister and SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon is strongly in favour of remaining in the EU.

Mr Sillars, husband of the late Margo MacDonald MSP, said: "I certainly met Nigel Griffiths and I'm very impressed by how he has put together a very good Labour Leave campaign in Scotland, but of course this is for Labour Party members and Labour supporters, of which at the moment I am not.

"I'm very happy to co-operate with Nigel. If I can be helpful, I will be helpful."

Mr Sillars said he had been "really astonished" by the number of SNP members he had spoken to who said that they did not want to remain in the EU.

He said: "There is a tendency if anyone within the party criticises the leadership to be then described as being disloyal. I think that's a very unhealthy situation inside any democratic political party. ...

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http://www.glasgowsouthandeastwoodextra.co...paign-1-4007358

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post 22nd Jan 2016, 12:17pm
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QUOTE (ktv @ 20th Jan 2016, 11:52am) *
the difference between scotland and the rest of the uk on this subject will be minimal.

Well said.

We can also read from GG's post above, quoting Jim Sillars, that in reality this issue shall prove those wrong who have tried to argue in the past that the SNP is internally different to the other UK political parties.

Sillars is so right about the need to give Party members freedom and choice to campaign on any issue no matter what. So far, in the build up to this referendum, the SNP has not done anything yet to disprove those who argue that its major obsession is holding it back.
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post 22nd Jan 2016, 04:36pm
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I'm not a party member but i'm voting to leave, i vote SNP as do others i know who will also vote to leave, i know Labour supporters who voted YES but are also voting to leave. To be honest i'm struggling to think of any openly pro EU supporters whereas prior to the last years ref i knew who were YES/NO..


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post 22nd Jan 2016, 04:40pm
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I have been an SNP voter for many year's, but I will also vote to leave the European Union.

My niece is a SNP MSP, but I will vote the way I choose.


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post 22nd Jan 2016, 05:24pm
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post 24th Jan 2016, 02:25am
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Let's be honest.

The Scottish Government is only interested in one debate.

Hence this EU referendum is reduced to just another excuse to have another Indyref.

Why?

Because it can be argued that voting for the status quo should be contrary to everything that the Scottish Independence campaign stood for.

The truth is, the two referendum debates are very similar. There is no status quo, there is only huge and irreversible change or small and negotiable change.

It is also arguable that either as an independent trading partner or as a negotiating member state, as an existing union of nations the UK maintains a better bargaining position with the rest of Europe than Scotland would.

This unavoidably raises a dilemma for those who voted for huge change and Scottish Independence and want now to vote against this opportunity for something very similar, huge change and British independence.

Unless Democracy is allowed to take effect the Political process will not function properly. To avoid such criticism, the Scottish Government has to get engaged in this current debate. It must drop the other argument to give its supporters the freedom they need to move in and out of different debates without getting too tied up and being open to accusations of inconsistency.

I believe there is a separate and strong case to be made for European Unity. However, the argument is weakened by comparison with and attempted relation to Scotland's indyref.
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post 24th Jan 2016, 10:53am
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 24th Jan 2016, 02:33am) *
Let's be honest.

The Scottish Government is only interested in one debate.



That makes two of you then tongue.gif


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post 24th Jan 2016, 11:58am
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I am not a SNP voter, but I have been saying we should leave the EU for a very long time.

Unless I can be convinced of the many good reasons for being part of it, that's how I'll be voting.


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post 24th Jan 2016, 12:57pm
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That is why Nicola is sitting on the fence making any excuse, she should come out right now and declare she wants to be 100% in staying in Europe, and just watch the SNP members drop like flies
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