Glasgow Guide Home

Whats On Glasgow Guide
  Glasgow What's On


    Glasgow Reviews


    Glasgow Gallery


      Glasgow Links
Discuss | Guestbook | Postcard | News | Weather | Feedback | Search | About | What's New
Glasgow Guide Discussion Boards

Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )                >> View Today's Topics <<

1318 Pages V  « < 1316 1317 1318  
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Scottish Independence, About voting yes/no
Rating 4 V
bilbo.s
post 21st Mar 2017, 01:19pm
Post #19756


Mega City Key Holder
******
Posts: 9,986
Joined: 9th Apr 2008
From: ALBUÑOL (Granada), Spain
Member No.: 5,582
https://greens.scot/blog/patrick-s-open-rep...pendence-letter


In contrast to Dykejumper's nonsense posts.


--------------------
Just because we disagree doesn't mean I don't like you, and just because I don't like you doesn't mean I disagree with you.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Dykejumper
post 21st Mar 2017, 03:39pm
Post #19757

City Key Holder
******
Posts: 519
Joined: 3rd Jan 2008
Member No.: 5,271
See The Green Party dream below,looks like they have read that Utopia book, they believe in honest govt,how do they square that with blackmailing the Selfie Queen to get her budget passed?
==============================================================


Imagine a world of efficient and welcoming public services, coordinated action on climate change, equality,
workers’ rights, an economy that works for people and planet at a human scale, restorative justice, and real
care for the future, including young people now.
Imagine a world in which we protect the planet, its land and its oceans, and the plants, animals and people
that live on it.
Imagine a world of security for all, of social security as opportunity not dependency, of lives lived more
locally, with services close to where people need them and connected by affordable, energy-efficient
public transport.
Imagine a government that believes in society, in our common humanity, in a culture of hope, and in our
capacity to govern ourselves. Imagine a government that believes in the common good, and that the best
way of achieving it is by working for each other, rather than against each other. Imagine honest government
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
bilbo.s
post 22nd Mar 2017, 10:15am
Post #19758


Mega City Key Holder
******
Posts: 9,986
Joined: 9th Apr 2008
From: ALBUÑOL (Granada), Spain
Member No.: 5,582
Some have aspirations, dreams and hopes . Nothing wrong with aiming high!


--------------------
Just because we disagree doesn't mean I don't like you, and just because I don't like you doesn't mean I disagree with you.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
john.mcn
post 22nd Mar 2017, 07:09pm
Post #19759


Mega City Key Holder
******
Posts: 5,230
Joined: 30th Mar 2008
Member No.: 5,545
Neil Findlay MSP shames every single SNP MSP into silence.




--------------------
“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”
Mikhail Gorbachev
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
john.mcn
post 23rd Mar 2017, 10:44pm
Post #19760


Mega City Key Holder
******
Posts: 5,230
Joined: 30th Mar 2008
Member No.: 5,545

An interview with Jim Sillars from the other day

https://livestream.com/IndependenceLive/jim...ideos/152289412

Another video of him speaking at a NO2NP (named person). In these videos he speaks his views and its these views that criticise the SNP hierarchy that have made him a target for the netnumpties, just check the comments on any online news story he appears in



--------------------
“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”
Mikhail Gorbachev
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
john.mcn
post Today, 12:14am
Post #19761


Mega City Key Holder
******
Posts: 5,230
Joined: 30th Mar 2008
Member No.: 5,545
Ohh I know its the Daily Record but it does point out the massive difference between Scotlands tax earnings and the money spent here (or on its behalf)..
No doubt Jagz will be along (or not) to argue that the SG's own figures are wrong and cite Wings over Scotland as his source wink.gif


QUOTE
As oil revenues fall it looks as if SNP are avoiding debate on economics of independent Scotland
On Wednesday, SNP MSP Joan McAlpine used her column in this paper to attempt to cast doubt on her own Scottish Government’s GERS figures, the official numbers that tell us how Scotland’s economy performs.

When oil was booming, McAlpine and her SNP colleagues were quick to quote GERS figures as proof that Scotland was a wealthy country, so this U-turn might seem surprising.

If McAlpine’s column represents an approved party line, it looks an awful lot as if the SNP are trying to avoid an honest debate about the economic challenges an independent Scotland would now face.

It would be like the big tobacco companies who, when faced with solid evidence of the link between smoking and cancer, focused on questioning the science and placing doubt in peoples’ minds.

When facts are your enemy, confusion and doubt are your friends.

To be fair, we’ve yet to see the leadership of the SNP suggest that we can’t trust our own government’s figures - but we’ve also yet to see them shut-down those within their own party who, like Joan, seem to be becoming GERS-deniers.

Maybe the SNP hierarchy think a bit of doubt and confusion is helpful?

So let’s look at McAlpine’s claims more closely. She incorrectly refers to GERS as “the UK Treasury’s understanding” of Scotland’s economy; she really should know that in fact they represent the Scottish Government’s understanding. So how can she suggest her own Government’s figures are “absurd”?

She relies entirely on the wild-eyed claims of one Professor Richard Murphy. He’s a chartered accountant and the self-proclaimed architect of “Corbynomics” - but let’s not worry about his CV, let’s worry about whether what he said is true.

Those hoping to foster confusion and doubt would be delighted for people like me to fill column inches explaining why Murphy is wrong.

That way they stop us talking about what the figures actually tell us. McAlpine’s advice to people being presented with inconvenient truths was hardly subtle: “throw three words at them: Professor Richard Murphy”.

Who needs to deal with facts when you’ve been taught the name of a tame professor who gives you permission to ignore them?

For what it’s worth, Murphy clearly doesn’t understood the GERS figures. He doesn’t realise that the Scottish Government compile our export data, so it isn’t “the UK Government making this up”.


Expert predicts IndyRef2 date for 2021 after correctly guessing Brexit result
He fails to grasp that it’s the Scottish Government’s Chief Economist who decides on the assumptions behind the GERS figures, so nothing is “what the UK Government decides it should be”.

I explain more of his mistakes on my blog (“Chokkablog”), but his biggest error is to claim that the figures can’t be trusted simply because estimates are used.

I asked a couple of exceptionally well qualified economics professors to comment on Murphy’s claims and you can see what they had to say on this page.

Put simply: nearly all economic statistics are estimates, but to be qualified as National Statistics (as GERS are) the figures have to be shown to be trustworthy. End of discussion.

So let’s focus instead on why some Yes supporters now want to deny the economic reality described in GERS - what are they so desperate to distract you from?

Well the figures effectively tell us four things:

Firstly they tell us how much tax revenue the Scottish economy generates from our current economic activity and the taxes we’re all used to paying: income tax, VAT, council tax and the like.

Secondly they tell us how much money is spent to deliver the public services we’re all used to receiving. So that’s things like health, education, pensions, social welfare, policing and so on.

Thirdly they show how much it costs us if we pay our population share of expenses incurred for the benefit of the UK as a whole - mainly defence, debt interest and international affairs.

Finally they show what happens if you take that revenue and subtract those costs. In the most recent year that shows we’d be in the red by £15bn – that’s the infamous £15bn “Scottish deficit”.

Of course that wouldn’t actually be Scotland’s deficit if we were independent, but all credible economists and responsible politicians (and even the SNP) use the GERS figures as the starting point to work out what an independent Scotland’s figures might look like.

So, for example, we could assume we’d spend £0.6bn less than we’re currently allocated of UK-wide costs (like defence) and we could assume we’ll generate £7.9bn a year of oil revenue.

That’s what the SNP’s Independence White Paper did last time round. They based our ability to maintain public spending on a reckless gamble about oil revenues. In fact, oil revenues this year will be approximately zero.

If you understand GERS the implication is clear: to survive as an independent country, Scotland would have to make dramatic spending cuts, cuts far more painful than any “Westminster austerity” we’ve seen to date.

Are the SNP prepared to be honest about the price we’d all pay for independence? If they allow high profile MSPs like Joan McAlpine to publicly rubbish their own figures, it’s surely not a good sign.

In the interest of honest and informed debate, let’s hope the SNP leadership condemn those who pretend we don’t know basic facts about our economy and instead face the difficult truths those facts reveal.


--------------------
“The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe.”
Mikhail Gorbachev
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post

1318 Pages V  « < 1316 1317 1318
Fast ReplyReply to this topicStart new topic

 



RSS Lo-Fi Version Time is now: 25th Mar 2017

All material in the site Glasgow Guide is copyright of the Glasgow Guide Organisation. This material is for your own private use only, and no part of the site may be reproduced, amended, modified, copied, or transmitted to third parties, by any means whatsoever without the prior written permission of the copyright owner. All rights reserved.

Glasgow Hotels: book cheap hotels in Glasgow online now.