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Posted by: GG 6th May 2011, 08:23am

In an historic night of vote counting for yesterday's Scottish election, the SNP has gained a monumental victory in the city of Glasgow. For the first time in living memory, the majority of seats in a national election has been won by a political party that is not Labour.

In a truly startling, stupendous result in Glasgow Shettleston (the most deprived constituency in Scotland), the SNP has overturned bookie's odds of 1/250 for incumbent Labour MSP Frank McAveety to win a seat for the SNP's John Mason.

Similarly, in Glasgow Anniesland (the seat of former Labour First Minister Donald Dewar), where incumbent Labour MSP Bill Butler looked secure at 1/66, the SNP has made a ground-shaking gain in Labour's former heartland.

The SNP gains in full were:

Labour held on to three constituencies in the city: Maryhill & Springburn, Pollok and Provan.


GG

Posted by: mitchell 6th May 2011, 08:48am

Seen that Martin, is that good or bad for Glasgow or as a matter of fact Scotland?
I do believe that there is a massive debt left by the last lot, is that true?
Makes you wonder that the seats that they won.
And the seats the labour held onto.
Working class areas or was it just lower class areas?
Mind you Shettleston is a bit of a surprise.

Posted by: ashfield 6th May 2011, 09:03am

Well I am not convinced it is good news, although there was some. George Galloway got chased biggrin.gif The 5 year council tax freeze will seriously hit services. Council's have aready shed thousands of people and reduces services. There have been complaints on here about the introduction of charges for grass cutting and blue badges, well you ain't seen nothing yet. In the papers there are community groups going to the wall due to grants being removed and sports groups unable to use facilities because they can't afford the new higher charges. In my view the SNP sit well right of centre (not the tartan Tories they used to be called but not far off) and that is nothing to be happy about, in my view of course.

Posted by: ionnsaigh 6th May 2011, 09:34am

As a Working Class Socialist ( Glaswegian ) I can only rejoice, that the treacherous Scottish Labour Party, has finally bitten the bullet. You have deceived, lied and betrayed the hopes of the poor people, and those who yearn for a fairer society, here in Scotland. Time and time again, we voted in the hope of ending the miserable conditions endured by our Fathers, and our Fathers, Fathers. Alas to no avail, you failed to end the poverty of the Scottish people. I hold you guilty of High Treason.
( Rot in Hell, the lot of you ) wink.gif

Posted by: fourbytwo 6th May 2011, 09:37am

just exchanged one set of gangsters wearing red roses, and union badges, to another wearing kilts and lucky white heather......
The basic difference.......SNP have not been caught with their hands in the 'cookie jar'...............SO FAR....!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 6th May 2011, 09:54am

Interesting Times ...

Posted by: ashfield 6th May 2011, 10:07am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 6th May 2011, 11:02am) *
Interesting Times ...


Aye right enough THH, with the SNP in charge. Any houses for sale near you laugh.gif

Posted by: Norman G 6th May 2011, 10:08am

The SNP have been a breath of fresh air in power at Holyrood.
They did more in 4 years than Labour did in 40 and it has shown at the polls.
Good luck to them.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 6th May 2011, 10:20am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 6th May 2011, 10:15am) *
Aye right enough THH, with the SNP in charge. Any houses for sale near you laugh.gif

They canna build them fast enough here ... but my German mates have migrated across the Rhein into St Louise, ( Song Loo-ee tongue.gif ) France; where they're cheaper so there's some older ones up for sale too rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Rabbie 6th May 2011, 10:27am

About time too, time will tell if this change is for the good.

Politicians..<pftt> DILLIGAF

Posted by: nan mcdonald 6th May 2011, 10:30am

QUOTE (Norman G @ 6th May 2011, 10:16am) *
The SNP have been a breath of fresh air in power at Holyrood.
They did more in 4 years than Labour did in 40 and it has shown at the polls.
Good luck to them.

It's not Luck we need ... It is a good HONEST? leadership. Hope we have found it in Salmond.

Lets wait and see.

Posted by: norrie123 6th May 2011, 10:40am

Its long overdue for Glasgow to rid itself of Labour, no other party can be blamed for any of its ills
I didn't vote SNP, for I dont want some of the things they want, Independance is the main one
Council tax freeze, free prescriptions,all great things but will it come back to haunt us, if the figures dont stack up

Lets see if SNP can rid me of my doubts
It seems Labour has joined Tories in not being too welcome in Scotland, for now

Bye for now, norrie


Posted by: Taylor9 6th May 2011, 12:04pm

Snp, God help us. ohmy.gif

Posted by: farci 6th May 2011, 12:10pm

Labour still controls the City Council so the real battle to rid Glasgow of Labour hegemony will take place next year.

To date I'm not impressed with the SNP as the official opposition in Glasgow so let's hope residents will vote intelligently next May for individual councillors who can make a difference and who have their wards' interests at heart rather than benefiting from scandals like the ALEOs.

Posted by: The Callands Rebel 6th May 2011, 12:20pm

Here's the meddling Virginian's take:

Labour or SNP in Glasgow, Republicans or Democrats in Richmond?

What's the dif, absolutely nothing!

We the peons are screwed no matter who wears the "CROWN" and sits on the "Thrones" of government.

Go Springburn, see ya soon.

Jerry.

Posted by: Heather 6th May 2011, 12:47pm

I voted for John Mason SNP although I don't agree with free Prescriptions or the five year freeze on Council Tax as there are many people in Scotland who can afford to pay for them.

I can only hope that Alex Salmond keeps his word and gets rid of the ALEOs who are costing Glasgow thousands of pounds in lining their own pockets.

Posted by: chas1937 6th May 2011, 12:50pm

QUOTE (Norman G @ 6th May 2011, 10:16am) *
The SNP have been a breath of fresh air in power at Holyrood.
They did more in 4 years than Labour did in 40 and it has shown at the polls.
Good luck to them.

That is so true and now with a majority win they will be able to do more. So Congratulations too SNP and Alex Salmond

Posted by: Dylan 6th May 2011, 01:52pm

SNP--BNP.

Same philosophy.

Both need someone to blame.

SNP--English

BNP--Johnny Foreigner.

Other famous Nationalists.

Hitler, Mussolini, Franco et al.

There is a dark side to Nationalism.

It is divisive.!!!

Posted by: bilbo.s 6th May 2011, 02:20pm

What a load of crap ! There is a dark side to everything, if one looks hard enough. I think you belong somewhere down on the borders buy the looks of things. mad.gif

Posted by: ashfield 6th May 2011, 02:27pm

Now that most of the results are it is shocking how poor the turnout has been at the polls. In several constituencies the turnout has been signifcantly less that 40%, Shettleston 37.7%, Provan 34.4%, Maryhill and Springburn 36%, Pollok 39%. How the heck can people complain about the performance of politians when nearly two thirds don't even bother to vote? Please don't tell me that folk are disenchanted with them, that would be exactly the reason for getting out to vote.

Perhaps we should make it compulsory to vote here.

Posted by: *James* 6th May 2011, 02:44pm

As a Glaswegian living in Somerset for 11 years, This result by the SNP makes me feel proud that at last my fellow Scots have quite clearly giving a strong message to our neighbours south of the border that Scotland CAN stand on its own,All this nonsense that all we have is oil.....look at some of the worlds biggest exports, Whisky,tweed,Agriculture and good ole nessie. I feel like coming home.

Posted by: Dylan 6th May 2011, 02:49pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 02:28pm) *
What a load of crap ! There is a dark side to everything, if one looks hard enough. I think you belong somewhere down on the borders buy the looks of things. mad.gif

Happily live in Glasgow.

So if I disagree with you it must be crap.?

One does not have to eat Scotty Dugs and get dewey eyes over a tin of Shortbread to be Scottish.!

I think Scotland is better served as part of the Union.

A political decision, nothing to do with Bannockburn or Wembulee !

Posted by: marcam7 6th May 2011, 02:59pm

As a eastender who has been voting snp since 1970 happy? You bet i am at last the electorate has shown some bottle, as a socialist it was my dream to see Independence leading to good left wing policies for Scotland the dream is still alive take your courage in your hands and go for it in the referendum that will surely come.

Posted by: bilbo.s 6th May 2011, 03:18pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 6th May 2011, 04:57pm) *
Happily live in Glasgow.

So if I disagree with you it must be crap.?

One does not have to eat Scotty Dugs and get dewey eyes over a tin of Shortbread to be Scottish.!

I think Scotland is better served as part of the Union.

A political decision, nothing to do with Bannockburn or Wembulee !

Who mentioned shortbread or scooty dugs ? You methinks. You are perfectly entitled to your political views but I will not tolerate bilge, equating the desire for self-government to fascism. Have your leanings but spare us your warped logic.

Posted by: bilbo.s 6th May 2011, 03:20pm

QUOTE (marcam7 @ 6th May 2011, 05:07pm) *
As a eastender who has been voting snp since 1970 happy?you bet i am at last the electorate has shown some bottle,as a socialist it was my dream to see Independence leading to good left wing policies for scotland the dream is still alive take your courage in your hands and go for it in the referendum that will surely come

Cheers, but I fear it is still a long way off. sad.gif

Posted by: hubert 6th May 2011, 04:18pm

Since I left Scotland on Sept 1959 I dont know much about politics there, one thing I did learn when I went to Scotland when my father died in 1968, I was told he had changed from Labour to the SNP in his politics.
I went to Canada and in the 60s supported the NDP, having left Canada in 1967 I am not familiar much with their politics either, however they did have an election the other day, and surprisingly enough the NDP took over second spot over the Liberal Party there, which apparently also was a big surprise!

Here in the States I support the Democrats and Obama, I guess I could be labeled a liberal Democrat, and in that I am very comfortable with. Currently and as time goes on, it mystifies me how people can be beaten down so much in regards to the comforts of life, or as was thought of for decades not now of course the so called American dream, that is gone stolen by the righteous right wing Republicans.

An analogy for me is the alcoholic that goes back to drinking expecting different results, aint going to happen, so why oh why do people continue to vote conservative when mostly what they do is bleed the country, hell on a daily basis the evidence is there, why be so blind?

Posted by: Dylan 6th May 2011, 05:32pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 03:26pm) *
Who mentioned shortbread or scooty dugs ? You methinks. You are perfectly entitled to your political views but I will not tolerate bilge, equating the desire for self-government to fascism. Have your leanings but spare us your warped logic.

What a sweetheart.

If I do not share your views I talk crap, now I am warped.

I neither seek nor need your permission to Post.

You will not tolerate . LOL.

Away and lie in a dark rooom with your Jimmy Shand Records whilst playing with your Sporran.

Och aye the noo.!

I'm away for a Haggis Supper then a wee roamin in the gloamin.

Posted by: Bill K 6th May 2011, 05:37pm

The best thing that has happened to Scotland in the last 30 years.

Posted by: norrie123 6th May 2011, 05:54pm

Hi ashfield, well perhaps we could have compulsary voting but that may result in spoiled papers and create the same result, not enough people voting
I was going to say I was shocked at the low turn out in some areas but I am not
What was the overall Scottish turn out?
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: bilbo.s 6th May 2011, 06:12pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 6th May 2011, 07:40pm) *
What a sweetheart.

If I do not share your views I talk crap, now I am warped...

Q.E.D.

Posted by: GG 6th May 2011, 06:15pm

From the BBC:

QUOTE
Labour casualties

It is in the west of Scotland, however, that the sheer scale of the victory can be gauged by counting Labour scalps taken against all expectations.

The list of casualties for Labour is shocking, and will deprive the party of some of its most experienced and sure-footed performers for the lifetime of the parliament.

In Glasgow, the city's Shettleston, Cathcart, Southside, Kelvin and Anniesland constituencies were all taken by the Nationalists with swings of between four and 12% from Labour.

The SNP's John Mason defeated former Labour minister Frank McAveety in Glasgow Shettleston.

Another shock saw the Nationalists' James Dornan take the city's Cathcart constituency, ousting Charlie Gordon - a former city council leader.

The SNP's Sandra White triumphed in the Kelvin constituency over Labour's Pauline McNeil.

In the newly created Glasgow Southside constituency, SNP deputy leader Nicola Sturgeon overcame a slim notional Labour majority to defeat Stephen Curran.

Bill Kidd also defeated Labour's Bill Butler in Glasgow Anniesland by just seven votes following a prolonged recount.

When these victories are viewed on a political map, a swathe of SNP yellow cuts through Labour's previously rock-solid red heartland, linking with other gains in surrounding areas.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-13307893

GG.

Posted by: ashfield 6th May 2011, 06:43pm

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 6th May 2011, 07:02pm) *
Hi ashfield, well perhaps we could have compulsary voting but that may result in spoiled papers and create the same result, not enough people voting
I was going to say I was shocked at the low turn out in some areas but I am not
What was the overall Scottish turn out?
Bye for now, norrie

I was not serious about compusory voting, too many people are hard of thinking for that. It does get me that folk moan about councillors, MSPs and MPs but don't get out to register their vote. Can't find the overall percentage figure for Scotland but, based on what I've seen, I'd guess it will be around the mid-forties.

BTW, was that you growing the...........err....exotic plants in Rutherglen? If so, you should be ashamed of yourself............for not sharing laugh.gif

Posted by: ionnsaigh 6th May 2011, 06:45pm

Some of us don't have a vote......... ( not too sure if I really want it ) ohmy.gif

Posted by: Heather 6th May 2011, 06:49pm

I see my SNP MSP neice who was Elected on the Regional vote a few years ago has now been Elected in her own right taking a seat from Labour. smile.gif

Posted by: ronnieauld2 6th May 2011, 06:51pm

ABSOLUTLY BRILLANT IVE BEEN A LABOUR MAN ALL MY LIFE BUT THE TIME LABOUR WERE IN POWER WAS ENOUGH FOR ME SO MY VOTE WENT TO (SNP) WAS SICK AND TIERD OF LABOUR TOW TOWING TO A ENGLISH GOVERMENT "SORRY MEANT BEGGING"FOR SCOTLAND FAIR SHARE OF CASH.IF I`AM HONEST THE SNP CAN`T DO ANY WORSE THAN LABOUR.PS i dont excuse the caps as i`am shouting it from the roof tops.

Posted by: Jupiter 6th May 2011, 07:04pm

Ronnie do you think they were kow-towing as well.Cheers and enjoy your Friday night,Joop rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Jupiter 6th May 2011, 07:10pm

Is this a step towards Scottish Independence?

Posted by: bilbo.s 6th May 2011, 07:17pm


They may have to re-draw the border .

Posted by: Dylan 6th May 2011, 07:25pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 06:20pm) *
Q.E.D.


Nemo Me Impune Lacessit cool.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 6th May 2011, 07:40pm

QUOTE (Dylan @ 6th May 2011, 09:33pm) *
Nemo Me Impune Lacessit cool.gif


Virescit vulnere virtus. V V V dry.gif

Posted by: norrie123 6th May 2011, 07:47pm

Hi Ashfield, not guilty, I am too busy trying to grow Sunflowers, can you smoke them biggrin.gif
From what I hear it wasnt that far from me
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: irrie 6th May 2011, 07:47pm

Evening all. Now comes the reality check. The main parties were all promising things that by all indepependant analyses cannot be afforded. The council tax freeze for example is good until you have to use council services. Boys football teams to senior citizens groups are in danger of winding up as they cant afford the new fees which in some cases have more than doubled and this is just the tip of the iceberg. I hope the SNP get it right for the sake of my kids and g/kids but the spectre of Ireland Greece and other countries whose economies have crashed rears its head. Cheers

Posted by: benny 6th May 2011, 08:06pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 08:48pm) *
Virescit vulnere virtus. V V V dry.gif


Derea derego fortibus es in aro biggrin.gif

Posted by: ashfield 6th May 2011, 08:07pm

QUOTE (benny @ 6th May 2011, 09:14pm) *
Derea derego fortibus es in aro biggrin.gif


Aye, an' never mind this Status Quo, ah like thing the way they are huh.gif

Posted by: Alex Saville 6th May 2011, 08:30pm

Labour suffered a meltdown in their support in Glasgow. I wonder how much of that was due to the LLP's that Glasgow Labour created which did nothing for the public but was used to screw those who worked for the council.

How many of Bridget McConnells employees in the Culture & Sport (Or whatever they call it this week!) dept voted against Labour because they were abused by the same Labour Party? Ditto the employees in the Land & Environmental Dept who were bullied by Labour onto four days on/off with 12 hour shifts and nothing extra for weekend or public holiday work.
What goes around, comes around!

It will be interesting to see what happens at the next council elections.
As for voting, here, at my end of Gourlay St the powers that be decided we would have to go to Possilpark to vote, the rest of Gourlay St voted where we used to vote, Gourlay St school.

How many decided not to bother going round there, I wonder.

Now, I wonder which journalist will have the nerve to ask Tavish Scott what his position is now?

On the live BBC debate, when asked by a member of the audience would he support a referendum on Independence, he replied, evading the question as usual, 'If you support Independence, then vote for it on Thursday!'

The result, from Scotts perception of it, would appear to be clear.
Good luck to the SNP, they worked hard for the result and deserve credit for what they have achieved.

The Labour die-hards, of course, still bleat about cuts from Holyrood and stick their head in the sand and say 'It wasn't Labour that screwed the econemy, it was a big boy and he ran away!'

Just a footnote, I am not a member, nor have I ever been, of a political party.

I am, however, a member of that Clan, The Scottish Working Man!
Alex

Posted by: ashfield 6th May 2011, 08:44pm

Alex, like you I am not, and never have been, a member of any political party. The problems with the economy was as a direct result of the banking crisis in the USA, full stop. Or do you believe that Gordon Brown was also the leader of Eire, Greece, Portugal, Iceland, Germany, Spain and the many other countries that have had to introduce fiscal measures to fix their enconomies.

Posted by: Dylan 6th May 2011, 08:49pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 6th May 2011, 07:48pm) *
Virescit vulnere virtus. V V V dry.gif


DUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNGGG!

Posted by: Rob Rattray 6th May 2011, 08:52pm

It might take a wee while for things to settle down but it's good to see 'new blood' in at the top again; not saying that the SNP is the 'cure all' but it's a start, and good riddance to those Labour idiots who just wanted everything for themselves! Just hope this SNP crowd will do the right thing and help not only Glasgow, but Scotia in general to get back to the bonnie land I once knew again.

Posted by: Jupiter 6th May 2011, 09:21pm

Rob,what is there about Scotia thats no` bonnie?

Posted by: Harrymc 6th May 2011, 09:24pm

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 6th May 2011, 10:48am) *
Its long overdue for Glasgow to rid itself of Labour, no other party can be blamed for any of its ills
I didn't vote SNP, for I dont want some of the things they want, Independance is the main one
Council tax freeze, free prescriptions,all great things but will it come back to haunt us, if the figures dont stack up

Lets see if SNP can rid me of my doubts
It seems Labour has joined Tories in not being too welcome in Scotland, for now

Bye for now, norrie

Dead on Norrie.
However,what's up with the people in Springburn?do they not vote or what?They had that rascal of a Seaker for years doing nothing except for himself.The place has been destroyed and they still return the same representative.Talk about goin' to hell in a handcart.At least wee Eck and his party might have tried to do something for the people.

Posted by: Grampar 6th May 2011, 10:08pm

mad.gif biggrin.gif At long last we have a Government in Scotland that cares about the people of our great country. As far as I am concerned I am beeling mad. Yet again BOUNDARY changes Which, I am sure like me, few of our fellow citizens new about, means that I have a Labour MSP whereas if they had left well alone I would have that superlative JOHN MASON, as my MSP. Remember him at a By - election a few years ago in Glasgow East for the that place in London, England ? Eh? The person who thought that the result in Shettleston was a bit of a surprise obviously does not live in or near the constituency or they would know the work that John Mason, a devout Christian, put into his work as an MP. Back to boundary changes where I live in Springboig we have been in the last 30+ years, Bothwell Constituency, Shettleston Constituency, Baillieston Constituency and now Glasgow East Constituency all for Westminster. Local Authority, Lanarkshire County Council, and I think ( 9th ) District council, Baillieston ( Strathclyde Regional Council ) and various districts surrounding us for the City Council. Each time there has been a change we have never had any notice let alone input about the changes. We now have Margaret Curran as our MP and she showed her true self as an MSP where words nearly fail me to desribe what a selfcentred person she was/is. I would have loved to be represented by my fellow Christian John Mason but some nameless person somewhere made sure that could not be the case. As for the overall result for Scotland it could only, be bettered if we had even a few more SNP MSP's - especially one for Provan. A GREAAAT result for us all and God bless every MSP who truly cares about our ancient Nation. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Heather 6th May 2011, 10:38pm

Grampar, a few years ago I and some of my neighbours had problems with trees almost growing in to our windows and the Council kept putting us off about trimming them back.
I emailed John Mason who was a Councillor for our area at the time. He came out to see the problem himself, looked at the trees around our area and within a few weeks they were cut back.

I found him very approachable which is one of the reasons I voted for him and he is well known as a hard worker.


Posted by: North Canalbank St 6th May 2011, 11:26pm

If Labour can't hold places like Shettleston then its time to have a serious look not just at their policies but maybe even their candidates.
Maybe tonight a few Labour people will feel what its like to be jobless.

Posted by: Heather 6th May 2011, 11:57pm

Aye but they won't know how bad it is to be un-employed with the big handouts they get when un-elected.
Their Redundancy money should be paid the same as the ordinary working person. After being employed for at least two years they get two weeks pay for every year in the job.
But being MPs / MSPs they make their own rules for bigger payouts.

Posted by: droschke7 7th May 2011, 01:10am

it's a fiddle, I went to the Whiteinch Poll Booth expecting to see Pauline Mc Neils name who I wanted to vote for, and suddenly she isn't the person for here added to that I'm pretty sure the form I saw and used had Bill Kidd in there as Labour. Why on earth would anyone vote SNP otherwise unless it was a fiddle. Bugger this I'm moving to Engalnd or further afield. I know that the form I ticked had Bill Kidd on it as the labour candidate. How else would SNP have won in Glasgow?

Posted by: droschke7 7th May 2011, 01:16am

Seems you lot voted the loony's in and now you will suffer from the loony's in charge of the Asylum. I've voted Pauline McNeil for years, but suddenly she wasn't on the list for me.

Posted by: *billtkd* 7th May 2011, 01:33am

Virescit vulnere virtus

or

Populus iamdudum defututus est.

Posted by: Gallowgategirl 7th May 2011, 06:03am

I have been in Australia for 43years. I am still not a Citizen. I don't think I have the right to comment but who can keep a Glaswegian quiet!! My first and last vote in Scotland was for the SNP. That was back in 1965 as I had just turned 21 that was the voting age then... and I was a Ban the Bomber and a Rebel without a Clue. I say Good onya Glasgow and Scotland .. GO FOR IT !! What is it that is said It is better to have tried and made a hash of it (as those in charge seem to do anyway) then never to have tried at all. Good Luck Glasgow xxxxxxx


 

Posted by: auldbutcher 7th May 2011, 06:08am

I'm a happy auld guy noo lets get oor independence an why not ,nae mair goin cap in haun tae an English government begging fer some o oor ain money back, money which they have creamed aff us in the first place.

Nae mair Scottish regiments being used as cannon fodder by english elected Prime Ministers wie s8it fer brains who think we are still a world power .

Nae mair financing a group o Teutonic layabouts who have bled an ponced aff o an sundry fer century's ,aye ye know who i mean .

Lets go aw the way an why not by the time Cameron gets finished gien haun oots to Terrorist loving Nations ,bringing mair refugees intae the country ,and forcing policy's on us that are all shaped fer Engurlands benefit what is there tae lose .

See there is some strange language being spoken on here lotta Romans in the gloaman methinks laugh.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 7th May 2011, 08:54am

QUOTE (benny @ 6th May 2011, 10:14pm) *
Derea derego fortibus es in aro biggrin.gif



Ah only took lower Latin, but ah think the fortibus wis Cathcart tae Hillington. rolleyes.gif Whit´s it goat tae dae wi ploughs but ?

Posted by: Dunvegan 7th May 2011, 08:58am

Being once, but not any more a socialist and Labour tragic, I have long had reservations about the SNP. refered to in my day as "tartan tories". I am enamoured by the cause but not how it is marketed, led or eventualy to be sold. Wasn't "SIR" Sean Connery a Nationalist. Not hollow or misty eyed about a past that has long been distorted, I can only say that for Labour to loose Glasgow is the final judgment being passed on a party dedicated to all but the people who voted for them.

Posted by: GG 7th May 2011, 09:18am


QUOTE
Scottish National Party leader Alex Salmond made a triumphant return to the post of Scotland's First Minister after stealing a historic majority at Holyrood.

Mr Salmond arrived in presidential style at a luxurious Edinburgh hotel, choosing to turn up in a helicopter.

He said: "This party, the Scottish party, the national party, carries your hope. We shall carry it carefully and make the nation proud."

The crushing victory dealt a massive blow to their Labour rivals, whose leader Iain Gray will resign in the autumn in the wake of the humiliating result.

His party lost several "safe" seats, including many in its traditional Glasgow heartlands, in a meltdown that will spread panic among Scottish Labour MPs representing safe seats at Westminster.

Casualties included former ministers Tom McCabe, Andy Kerr, Frank McAveety and Pauline McNeill as the party lost former strongholds such as Clydesdale, Airdrie and Shotts, Glasgow Shettleston, Glasgow Anniesland and Falkirk East.

GG.

Posted by: GG 7th May 2011, 09:55am

Responding to Labour's worst election result in 80 years, Willie Bain, Glasgow North East MP, said:

QUOTE
"We have to find the language that expresses our enduring values - fairness in society, opportunity for all, a greener future - to the electorate. People were turned off by aspects of our agenda."

Apparently, then, it's just that the Labour party was unable to properly articulate their "enduring values" to an unsophisticated electorate. It had nothing to do with party policies (or lack of them), or with the fact that the vast majority of people in Glasgow no longer believe that the Labour party represents and protects their interests.

In my opinion, such a 'head-in-the-sand' approach to analysing what is a fundamental and historic change in voting patterns, looks likely to condemn Labour to more than just five years in the politicial wilderness.

Perhaps Mr Bain, and his party, could begin with trying to re-connect with ordinary people living ordinary lives in Glasgow?

As for Mr Bain's much-vaunted "opportunity for all", how can he say these words when he knows fine well that in the secondary school closest to his home in Springburn, out of the hundreds who tried, 0% of pupils achieved five highers last year. How can there be "opportunity for all" in Glasgow when 0% of these children will be able to go to Glasgow University? Even he, himself a very clever and able man, was unable to go to Glasgow University after schooling in Springburn.

GG.

Posted by: auldbutcher 7th May 2011, 10:03am

QUOTE
... could begin with trying to re-connect with ordinary people living ordinary lives in Glasgow?

Ahm sure Mrs Jaconelli wid hae something tae say on that matter G.G. wink.gif

Posted by: GG 7th May 2011, 10:23am

An excellent example, auldbutcher, of where Glasgow (and Labour politics) has went so very wrong. Not a single Glasgow Labour politician tried to help Mrs Jaconelli in her hour of desperate need. Every Glasgow Labour politician, MSPs and MPs included, toed the city council line and publicly ignored the plight of this Dalmarnock gran and her family. In the void created, SNP politicians stepped in and tried to assist where they could with advice and calls for mediation.

You can bet that Glaswegians were watching what was happening in the East End and duly noted the treatment of one of their own.

But it was worse than that: Labour 'associates' tried to discredit Mrs Jaconelli in the press and on the Internet. Worse still: a former senior Glasgow Labour politician used his national newspaper column to demean and belittle the plight of a woman just as her family was about to be booted out of her home and on to the street.

Again, according to Mr Bain, above, one of Labour's enduring values is "fairness in society". Where was the fairness in how the Labour party treated Mrs Jaconelli?

GG.

Posted by: Tommy Kennedy 7th May 2011, 11:37am

I should think the ‘Royal wedding’ was a great boost for the SNP – emphasising how much Scotland IS ruled by an ‘English Establishment’
As said before I was not in favour of Independence for Scotland; believing that all small countries should unite – BUT as England will never get rid of ‘Elite Rule’ it is possible for Scotland to do so , I’ve changed my mind - GO Scotland!!!
Of course Westminster will oppose it – not long ‘till N. Ireland leaves the Union (When Catholics out number proddies) U.K weakened would probably lose ‘Security council seat, UN. E.U. would push for an ‘E.U’ seat
Now in a referendum would we EX-pats get a vote? – Tories would probably oppose that knowing how many ‘US’ there are. – Tories do chase, and it’s allowed, expat votes, particularly in Spain

Posted by: auldbutcher 7th May 2011, 11:58am

Aye g.g. it saddens me the thing the so called peoples party turned intae, as a socialist the complete and utter discard of there motto fainess in society was a bitter pill tae swallow ,on the subject of mrs Jaconelli last i heard she was living with relatives have you by any chance an update on this poor souls circumstances i do believe she has a case coming up based on human rights ,my thoughts and best wish's are with her and her family.

Hi Tommy yep the Royal wedding and the contempt and disdain it was greeted wie in Scotland was definite starter for ten in the nationalists favor, wonder if i'll see a free Scotland afore i pop my clogs ,man that wid be something . laugh.gif wink.gif

Posted by: *Blake* 7th May 2011, 12:03pm

At last Scotland has stood up for itself, I just hope that the SNP dont raise the taxes too much, as the money that we get from English parliament will be cut.

Blake.

Posted by: Tommy Kennedy 7th May 2011, 03:06pm

Mind, auldbutch, the Royal wedding was a great boost for the Tories in England and would have encouraged the Royal fans to get out and vote Tory – those fans, some on here, who say: ‘It made them proud to be British’. That’s what these ‘Royal puppets’ are there for – to encourage blind patriotism.

Posted by: Tommy Kennedy 7th May 2011, 03:21pm

The Labour party has always had 2 problems: 1- it attracts would be politicians who have no social standing/money; therefore would get nowhere in the Tory or Libedem party, and they know that.
2- When you do get a Labour politician with values; who makes headway in the party the ‘Elite’ know he can be bought – ‘House of Lords – Knighthoods’. How many past and present Labour ‘Lords’ –eh.?


Posted by: rossmckenzie 7th May 2011, 03:37pm

Am nearly 22....not had all that many votes.Not committed to any party and have voted in different ways in previous elections.Ashamed to admit have skipped the odd election because all of them annoyed me for one reason or another.
When this campaign started my view on all the parties was negative and was not sure if I would vote .....I accept that is wrong but to be honest I don't hold any politician in high regard.
As the campaign developed.....I just became shocked at the labour campaign and in particular at Iain Grey.....what planet was this guy on.I did vote and on both tickets voted SNP....Salmonds campaign was positive and encouraged me ...I don't totally accept his view on independance but am prepared to listen to his plans for Scotland,consider them and then make a decision....this weeks election results are simply an open door to the future....labour was well.. we hashed it up before but you have no alternative to us so vote the same again....eh no way !

Posted by: Tommy Kennedy 7th May 2011, 04:19pm

It’s not been mentioned yet: An Independent Scotland would get great encouragement/aid from the E.U.
There are some Euro countries that would like to see the breakup of the U.K.

Posted by: norrie123 7th May 2011, 04:32pm

Hi Tommy, well as you know I am not a lover of the EU
Independance has too many questions to be answered
Someone mention Tax going up in Scotland, not so sure thats the what to encourage Scots to stay in Scotland or new companies to come here but what do I know
Dare say they will hump up the price of drink too

Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: whatachef 7th May 2011, 04:34pm

Of course it's good news. How long does it take some people to realise that Labour have been taking them for a hurl? And what's wrong with a council tax freeze; personally, I'm thrilled by it since my own income is frozen. Why is my income frozen? Because Labour whilst in government in Westminster spent more that they were receiving in revenue to the extent that now our grandchildren will be paying off those debts.

It's great to have a governing party who give a damn about Scotland without being obsessed with what the higher echelons within their parties in Westminster want.

Let's give the new government some support. Times will be hard, of course they will. But let's get behind them for Scotland's sake and for the sake of future generations.


Posted by: Tommy Kennedy 7th May 2011, 04:42pm

Norrie an independent Scotalnd would NOT have an 'elite'ruling it.
Westminister always does what's good for 'England' certanly not what is good for Scotland/Wales, N.Ireland.

Posted by: fourbytwo 7th May 2011, 06:55pm

Problems with reality....
An Independant Scotland would have been great and financially viable some decades ago, when we had oil on our doorstep, the best water in Europe, and sufficient Scottish Industry (like Whisky), to be seen as 'different from the rest of the UK).
But consider 2011, most of our assets have been sold-off to Foreign Companies, and with water flowing down South, and Petrol Prices amongst the most expensive in Europe.......what bargaining chips have the SNP actually got....?
The sale of shortbread tins and Frankenstein Salmon, together with several oversized Air Turbines, is NOT enough to apply leverage to get us on the big table with Europe.....I would suggest..!
Westminister....well aware of this, is likely to "allow us our Freedom" quickly.....our best hope being a slice of cash normally saved for previous GREAT BRITAIN COUNTRIES now independant, can be diverted to us...as, as much deserving as our African/Indian dependants.....!

Posted by: rossmckenzie 7th May 2011, 10:05pm

QUOTE (Tommy Kennedy @ 7th May 2011, 05:27pm) *
It’s not been mentioned yet: An Independent Scotland would get great encouragement/aid from the E.U.
There are some Euro countries that would like to see the breakup of the U.K.

Scotland in comparison to new EU members is seen as a rather wealthy country....Romania,Bulgaria,Slovakia etc...we would get very little help from the EU but that should not stop us from applying for membership..... we should be aware however that we would still be expected to contribute.Not something I have a problem with but until our economy is stabilised I would have doubts about joining the Euro.This weekend Greece looks as though its going to abandon it......and if Greece goes do the PIGS economies follow....Portugal,Ireland(greece)Spain dangerous days ahead for the Euro.....Love Europe,love unity but I would not be signing up for someone elses debt anytime soon.......labour left us enough of our own.

Posted by: rumcdonald 8th May 2011, 12:22am

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 6th May 2011, 05:48am) *
Its long overdue for Glasgow to rid itself of Labour, no other party can be blamed for any of its ills
I didn't vote SNP, for I dont want some of the things they want, Independance is the main one
Council tax freeze, free prescriptions,all great things but will it come back to haunt us, if the figures dont stack up

Lets see if SNP can rid me of my doubts
It seems Labour has joined Tories in not being too welcome in Scotland, for now

Bye for now, norrie

Independance for Scotland would be a sad thing. My god it would be sad!!!!!

Posted by: norrie123 8th May 2011, 12:24am

Hi Tommy, I am of the mind there will always be an elite and I am boaking at the thought of Alexc and Nicola, yeaghh
Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: rumcdonald 8th May 2011, 12:24am

QUOTE (fourbytwo @ 7th May 2011, 02:03pm) *
Problems with reality....
An Independant Scotland would have been great and financially viable some decades ago, when we had oil on our doorstep, the best water in Europe, and sufficient Scottish Industry (like Whisky), to be seen as 'different from the rest of the UK).
But consider 2011, most of our assets have been sold-off to Foreign Companies, and with water flowing down South, and Petrol Prices amongst the most expensive in Europe.......what bargaining chips have the SNP actually got....?
The sale of shortbread tins and Frankenstein Salmon, together with several oversized Air Turbines, is NOT enough to apply leverage to get us on the big table with Europe.....I would suggest..!
Westminister....well aware of this, is likely to "allow us our Freedom" quickly.....our best hope being a slice of cash normally saved for previous GREAT BRITAIN COUNTRIES now independant, can be diverted to us...as, as much deserving as our African/Indian dependants.....!

Agreed!!!!!!

Posted by: rumcdonald 8th May 2011, 12:29am

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 7th May 2011, 07:32pm) *
Hi Tommy, I am of the mind there will always be an elite and I am boaking at the thought of Alexc and Nicola, yeaghh
Bye for now, norrie

Alex may have some sensible opinions, but in the name of god, do not try to make Scotland leave the UK. I am a very proud Scot/Brit. What are you trying to do to me, and many others?????

Posted by: weeshuggie 8th May 2011, 09:31am

Independence for Scotland would be the best thing to ever happen to England. Like the heartland of Scotland, Labour in England would cease to exist. As louis wid sing....An ah said to masel whit a wonderful world.

Posted by: GG 8th May 2011, 10:02am

QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 6th May 2011, 08:38pm) *
Labour suffered a meltdown in their support in Glasgow. I wonder how much of that was due to the LLP's that Glasgow Labour created which did nothing for the public but was used to screw those who worked for the council. ...

Alex, I think you are correct: Labour MSPs who have lost their seats must be wondering to what extent the highly unpopular changes implemented by the council have influenced Glaswegian's voting decisions, especially those changes made by the disgraced former council leader Stephen Purcell.

However, those MSPs might also consider their own part in their downfall:
GG.

Posted by: DaveEE 8th May 2011, 11:26am

Why can't every true Scot be happy at the chance of maybe getting independence or are there "true Scots that still want to be governed by another country" lets face it folks England don't really do the same job for us as they do for themselves and that aint very clever or why dont we sack England and let the USA take charge now that sounds insane but its still someone else at the head when we should be doing it ourselves GIVE SCOTLAND A CHANCE ON THEIR OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin.gif And as for labour,conservitves and the lib-dems what a bunch of Englishmen ive got nothing against Englishmen as long as they head back to England before they over stay their welcome not like the political partys that have hung about like farts in a space-suit, SNP are in now the rest should look at what the majority of people in Scotland want, to be Scottish and not British

Posted by: DaveEE 8th May 2011, 11:33am

QUOTE (rumcdonald @ 8th May 2011, 12:32am) *
Agreed!!!!!!

Why does it have to be about cash can't it be about pride i would rather stay in a mud hut and be able to list my nationality as Scottish than play the game that England have put on the table for us and keep having to list myself as British or maybe you would rather be a Lord.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 8th May 2011, 12:06pm

QUOTE
In Glasgow, the city's Shettleston, Cathcart, Southside, Kelvin and Anniesland constituencies were all taken by the Nationalists with swings of between 4% and 12% from Labour.

If the number of votes cast was less than 40% of the voting populace then the swings of 4% and 12% would represent less than 0.1% and 0.3% of that populace ... or have I got my sums wrong again? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: GG 8th May 2011, 12:22pm

Glasgow results in full:

GLASGOW ANNIESLAND: SNP WIN
Bill Butler (Lab) 10,322
Bill Kidd (SNP) 10,329
Marc Livingstone (Comm) 256
Matthew Smith (Con) 2,011
Paul McGarry (LibDem) 1,000
Electorate: 55411 | Turnout: 23918 (43.2%)
Majority: 7; Swing: 10.1% from Labour to SNP


GLASGOW CATHCART: SNP WIN
Eileen Baxendale (LibDem) 1,118
James Dornan (SNP) 11,918
Charlie Gordon (Lab) 10,326
John McKee (Ind) 450
Richard Sullivan (Con) 2,410
Electorate: 57777 | Turnout: 27122 (46.9%)
Majority: 1,592; Swing: 6.5% from Labour to SNP


GLASGOW KELVIN: SNP WIN
Ruth Davidson (Con) 1,845
Natalie McKee (LibDem) 1,900
Pauline McNeill (Lab) 9,758
Tom Muirhead (Ind) 405
Sandra White (SNP) 10,640
Electorate: 61893 | Turnout: 24548 (39.7%)
Majority: 882; Swing: 4.0% from Labour to SNP


GLASGOW MARYHILL and SPRINGBURN: LAB WIN
Sophie Bridger (LibDem) 833
Bob Doris (SNP) 8,592
Patricia Ferguson (Lab) 9,884
Stephanie Murray (Con) 1,222
Electorate: 56622 | Turnout: 20531 (36.3%)
Majority: 1,292; Swing: 5.4% from Labour to SNP


GLASGOW POLLOK: LAB WIN
Johann Lamont (Lab) 10,875
Andrew Morrison (Con) 1,298
Isabel Nelson (LibDem) 490
Christopher Stephens (SNP) 10,252
Electorate: 61893 | Turnout: 24548 (39.7%)
Majority:623; Swing: 8.5% from Labour to SNP


GLASGOW PROVAN: LAB WIN
Majid Hussain (Con) 777
Paul Martin (Lab) 10,037
Anne McLaughlin (SNP) 7,958
Michael O'Donnell (LibDem) 413
Electorate: 55138 | Turnout: 19185 (34.8%)
Majority: 2,079; Swing: 8.7% from Labour to SNP


GLASGOW SHETTLESTON: SNP WIN
David Wilson (Con) 1,163
Frank McAveety (Lab) 9,542
John Mason (SNP) 10,128
Ruaraidh Dobson (LibDem) 371
Electorate: 55874 | Turnout: 21196 (37.9%)
Majority: 586; Swing: 12.6% from Labour to SNP


GLASGOW SOUTHSIDE: SNP WIN
Stephen Curran (Lab) 7,957
Kenn Elder (LibDem) 612
David Meikle (Con) 1,733
Nicola Sturgeon (SNP) 12,306
Electorate: 52325 | Turnout: 22608 (43.2%)
Majority: 4,349; Swing: 9.7% from Labour to SNP


RUTHERGLEN: LAB WIN
Caroline Johnstone (Ind) 633
James Kelly (Lab) 12,489
Jim McGuigan (SNP) 10,710
Martyn McIntyre (Con) 2,096
Lisa Strachan (LibDem) 1,194
Electorate: 57777 | Turnout: 27122 (46.9%)
Majority: 1,779; Swing: 7.4% from Labour to SNP


GG.

Posted by: GG 8th May 2011, 12:27pm

GLASGOW LIST MSPs

LAB: 3 MSPs (Hanzala Malik, Drew Smith, Anne McTaggart)
SNP: 2 MSPs (Humza Yousaf, Bob Doris)
CON: 1 MSP (Ruth Davidson)
GREEN: 1 MSP (Patrick Harvie)

LIST VOTE:

• LAB: 34,99%
• SNP: 39.82%
• LIBDEM: 2.55%
• CON: 6.11%
• GREEN: 5.97%
• RESPECT: 3.34%*
• PENSIONERS: 1.80%
• BNP: 1.16%
• SOC LAB: 1.09%
• CHRISTIANS: 0.72%
• UNIONISTS: 0.69%
• SSP: 0.65%
• UKIP: 0.54%
• PIRATES: 0.28%
• INDEPENDENT/CAROLINE JOHNSTONE: 0.16%
• SCOTTISH HOMELAND: 0.14%

--
* George Galloway failed to get a seat as the left-wing vote was dismal.

GG.

Posted by: Heather 8th May 2011, 12:30pm

If I am six feet under when Scotland get their Independence, I told my family they have to come to my grave, pour a bottle of champagne over it and dance around it in celebration.

Celebrating Scotlands Independence, not me being dead. laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 8th May 2011, 02:01pm

Better hope both don't happen on the same day or people might think you're trying to be one up on Stuarty. wink.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: GG 8th May 2011, 02:06pm

According to the council: "The turnout across Glasgow is 40.14% in the constituency contests and 40.17% in the regional vote". This compares with an average turnout of 50% across Scotland.

GG.

Posted by: Alex Saville 8th May 2011, 03:45pm

Martin
It never occurred to the Labour Party in Glasgow Council that the council employees would ever turn against them.
It all boils down to the expectation that those members of Unison, the GMB, Unite and others would embrace Labour because that is what they have done for years and been told to do by their unions, the same unions who fund Labour.
Unfortunately, those same employess, at least the ones I have spoken too (And I have spoken to many of them.) now have a bone to pick with the council. And a big bone, at that!
The next council elections will be very interesting, to say the least.

Going by Willie Bains response to the election result, it is clear they dont understand why the voters dumped them.
Could it have anything to do with the fact they were too busy talking instead of listening?
Alex


Posted by: Crewsy Fixer 8th May 2011, 11:22pm

A turn out of 50 % would suggest that most folk dont care Election days should have a bank holiday too, would make better turn outs, you cant gauge a nations opinion when half didnt vote.

Posted by: wombat 8th May 2011, 11:30pm

Crewsy Fixer Posted Today, 12:30am

QUOTE
you cant gauge a nations opinion when half didnt vote.

rolleyes.gif cood mean the other half could'nt give a toss cos theyre sick of the lies mibbie laugh.gif

Posted by: rumcdonald 8th May 2011, 11:48pm

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 7th May 2011, 07:32pm) *
Hi Tommy, I am of the mind there will always be an elite and I am boaking at the thought of Alexc and Nicola, yeaghh
Bye for now, norrie

Yes Norrie, you are right, there will always be an elite. Alex Salmond!!! Yech!!! Mind you, I now live in Canada, but am speaking up anyway. I go home every year to Glasgow and have business there. I love my Glasgow, and am a proud Scot. Some of the folks on this board vote with their hearts, and not their brains. I have no problem with them hating the politicians, but they appear to hate the English people and the English cities, lands, geography, and what have you. I am a proud Scot/Brit who is proud of the whole island. Britain...land of amazing royal history (good and bad),and many many different British accents...from "Glesga Keely" to "upper crust" ...and many Glasgow people have the "upper crust" as well. We have an amazing British Island ..British Isles...don't spoil it.

Posted by: Crewsy Fixer 9th May 2011, 12:02am

Fine speech rum, but if your not actually living in the British Isles, I like the British Isles too, then its a bit hollow.

I could do with a break from this part of the isles, wanna swap. smile.gif

Posted by: rumcdonald 9th May 2011, 12:34am

QUOTE (wombat @ 8th May 2011, 06:38pm) *
rolleyes.gif cood mean the other half could'nt give a toss cos theyre sick of the lies mibbie laugh.gif

Maybe if the grammar was better, some Scots could be taken seriously...

Posted by: rumcdonald 9th May 2011, 12:47am

QUOTE (Crewsy Fixer @ 8th May 2011, 07:10pm) *
Fine speech rum, but if your not actually living in the British Isles, I like the British Isles too, then its a bit hollow.

I could do with a break from this part of the isles, wanna swap. smile.gif

Not such a bad idea!! I know my political views ring a bit hollow, as I live in Canada. I go home regularly though and hold a Brit passport. I have never taken out Canadian citizenship, as I want to remain British. Do I wanna swap? Maybe!! I use to "live up a close" and loved it. Do you fancy living in a large house for a few weeks near the Toronto airport??? Mind you, it is now an East Indian community...where I feel like a "fish out of water" and no, I am not racist....just lonely at times.

Posted by: Crewsy Fixer 9th May 2011, 01:07am

Well maybe if you came home rum you could help to change things, I still live up a close, if I lived in a large house near Toronto airport or any airport,it would be nice, but sooner or later, the close would win it.

Its a nice close.

I think something known as Scottish Independence will happen, but its still in the British Isles. If the British Isles were under some sort of disaster, human, alien or natural, Im sure the many factions would come together. And say yes there is a commonality here.

Posted by: tamhickey 9th May 2011, 08:34am

The Labour Party in Scotland ran an awful campaign and really deserved all they got.The entire campaign was full of negativity whereas the SNP's was much more positive. Let's be honest, they've done really well over the last few years despite being a minority party. Maybe that's why so many people trusted the SNP to deliver on their promises.
I was once a member of the Labour Party but gave it up as a wasted vote many years ago as we were all taken for granted for far too long and if the party had reflected their supporters minds and stuck by the working class, there wouldn't be Labour constituencies where the average age of death exceeds that of third world countries.
I love the idea that Scotland and its people has now got the opportunity to decide it's own future, regardless of the outcome.
I read a blog earlier from a Labour supporter where he basically said that one of the reasons Labour lost in Scotland was due to undue interference from London Labour. His main point was that we in Scotland were Socialists at heart, and we were left without that feeling of socialism and that Labour were rudderless without a change.
This will take a while to change, as they don't even seem to understand devolution, never mind challenge it. I watched a video on NewsnetScotland where people were asked who Iain Gray was and few people knew. I know this was not faked or edited to look good as I have worked with the director before.
You know what though? Today I'm a very proud man, not proud for myself, but for the entire nation

Posted by: ashfield 9th May 2011, 08:54am

QUOTE (rumcdonald @ 9th May 2011, 01:42am) *
Maybe if the grammar was better, some Scots could be taken seriously...

Perhaps you should take some time to check the board etiquette about not commenting on the grammer or spelling of other posters.

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th May 2011, 09:02am

QUOTE (ashfield @ 9th May 2011, 11:02am) *
Perhaps you should take some time to check the board etiquette about not commenting on the grammer or spelling of other posters.

Eye, quiet sew. laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 9th May 2011, 09:14am

QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 8th May 2011, 04:53pm) *
Martin
It never occurred to the Labour Party in Glasgow Council that the council employees would ever turn against them.
It all boils down to the expectation that those members of Unison, the GMB, Unite and others would embrace Labour because that is what they have done for years and been told to do by their unions, the same unions who fund Labour.
Unfortunately, those same employess, at least the ones I have spoken too (And I have spoken to many of them.) now have a bone to pick with the council. And a big bone, at that!
The next council elections will be very interesting, to say the least.

Alex, as an ex-council employee I also know a significant number of people who work for GCC. I have no idea where you would get the notion that all (or the majority of) Council employees are supporters of the ruling Labour administration, they are no different for any group of workers, some do, some don't. Council employees are always at the mercy of the "ruling group", regardless of which party holds the power.


QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 9th May 2011, 10:10am) *
Eye, quiet sew. laugh.gif

Button it ewe wink.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th May 2011, 09:18am

My lips are zipped. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: ashfield 9th May 2011, 09:27am

QUOTE (tamhickey @ 9th May 2011, 09:42am) *
The Labour Party in Scotland ran an awful campaign and really deserved all they got.The entire campaign was full of negativity whereas the SNP's was much more positive.

Good post Tam, I am not unduly upset with the SNP victory but there are elements which do concern me. You rightly point to the, largely, negative campaign of Labour, as Nicola Sturgeon did after the election. Take a wee look back to the SNPs (and in particularly her) performance when in opposition, if Labour said white they would say black. I don't think I ever remember her supporting an opposition policy and it is the main reason that I do not have any trust in her. I also still get the impression that the SNP is a one man party, Alex Salmond. Would they have been as successful if not for him?

Posted by: Melody 9th May 2011, 09:35am

For the first time in my life I voted SNP. Totally disillusioned by New Labour, I hoped that an independent Scotland would eventually mean a Socialist Scotland. In the meantime we'll soon see how it turns out. If they turn out to be Tartan Tories we'll soon get rid of them.

Posted by: tamhickey 9th May 2011, 01:31pm

Hi, Ashfield. Some people just don't like Nicola Sturgeon and others do, she's the marmite of politics, you either love her or hate her. She did support the smoking ban, overturning the last Labour administration's decision to close Monklands hospital and has made inroads into minimum pricing for alcohol, surely she deserves some credit?
As for the SNP being a one man band I would have to disagree. Yes, Alex Salmond is without doubt the most effective politician in Scotland, if not the UK, but he has a strong team behind him. Labour on the other hand has nobody in their ranks who could be termed as leadership material apart from Malcolm Chisolm who in my view would be an excellent pick for them. I would like to see an effective opposition that holds the government to account when neccesary, but it seems that Labour and its internicine navel gazing and the schizm in that party over it's failure to act and not just REACT to the Scottish electorate makes it highly unlikely. They need to become a Scottish party to reflect the wider concerns of its people, and not to pander to the acolytes of Westminster. If freed to do so, then they may become more bold and imaginative in their thinking and not led by the nose from London.

Posted by: benny 9th May 2011, 03:59pm

So, she's banned fags and wants dearer booze, an you're lookin fur applause? Ah think ye'll need tae look somewhere other than Glesga.

Posted by: rumcdonald 9th May 2011, 06:51pm

QUOTE (Crewsy Fixer @ 8th May 2011, 08:15pm) *
Well maybe if you came home rum you could help to change things, I still live up a close, if I lived in a large house near Toronto airport or any airport,it would be nice, but sooner or later, the close would win it.

Its a nice close.

I think something known as Scottish Independence will happen, but its still in the British Isles. If the British Isles were under some sort of disaster, human, alien or natural, Im sure the many factions would come together. And say yes there is a commonality here.

Yes, it will still be the British Isles, but many of the Scots on here will always deny the British bit. When I said I was "lonely" at times in Canada I only meant neighbour wise. I was just thinking of all the old friendly neighbours in Glasgow. Talking about closes, it's a shame they have doors on them now. I guess that's a security thing, but it just spoils the look of them.

Posted by: rumcdonald 9th May 2011, 06:57pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 9th May 2011, 04:02am) *
Perhaps you should take some time to check the board etiquette about not commenting on the grammer or spelling of other posters.

I did check the etiquette thing a while back, and of course you are right. Can't help myself at times though!

Posted by: bilbo.s 9th May 2011, 07:56pm

QUOTE (rumcdonald @ 9th May 2011, 09:05pm) *
I did check the etiquette thing a while back, and of course you are right. Can't help myself at times though!

There are times I actually empathise with you. Shows I´m not biased ! biggrin.gif

Posted by: GG 9th May 2011, 11:00pm

Former Labour MSP, Frank McAveety, laments his and Labour's downfall:

QUOTE
... The 48-year-old father of two is talking about the “pie-gate” debacle of 2004 when he lied about his late arrival to parliamentary question time that saw him lose his ministerial post, and then his allegedly sexist remarks about a 15-year-old female onlooker at Holyrood’s Public Petitions Committee that forced him to step down as convener.

Yet he now believes his personal experiences are a metaphor for the party as a whole.

Mr McAveety, like his two full-time and two part-time staff, finds himself effectively unemployed following the poll result that cut a sea of yellow through Scotland’s traditional Labour heartlands of Glasgow and Lanarkshire. ...

Full story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/election/like-a-lot-of-others-you-re-going-out-there-looking-for-a-job-1.1100276

Luckily the MSPs who lost their seats have a very comfy parachute:
QUOTE
Scots politicians have sparked fury among taxpayers’ groups ­after it emerged MSPs who quit or lose their seats at this year’s elections will pocket record-breaking pay-offs.

The £57,520 golden parachute payments made to departing MSPs were slipped through parliament 15 months ago. The move means deposed MSPs stand to gain more than double the amount received by outgoing colleagues at the last election.

Age restrictions on the windfalls, designed to help ease MSPs back into daily life, have been removed but rules have also been changed by MSPs to allow higher payments for fewer years’ service.

They are now eligible for a pay-off of a full year’s salary after 12 years in Holyrood instead of 15.

The qualifying period for the minimum pay-out of £28,760 has been cut from 10 years to six. ...

Full story here:
http://www.express.co.uk/printer/view/220834

GG.

Posted by: mitchell 10th May 2011, 11:04am

Only a 50% turnout?
Now that is when compulsory voting should be brought in.
It will give those voters who whinge about their parties defeat something to ponder about.
That is a very poor turnout on a perfect sunny day.
The trend seems to be the same in the General election also.

Posted by: weeshuggie 10th May 2011, 11:02pm

it's not anyone's party, it's called freedom of choice, you can vote for any party and many people do vote for different parties. Only Scotland which had a population of lemmings that continually voted for the idiocy of labour but even those people have seen the light and no compulsory voting would change anything

Posted by: mitchell 10th May 2011, 11:39pm

It certainly does change things, you know nothing of compulsory voting.
If people fail to register to vote they are hit with a fine, do your homework on that. wink.gif

Posted by: weeshuggie 10th May 2011, 11:43pm

Oh so that would make people vote for 'THEIR PARTY' oh silly me, if I had to vote then obliviously I would have to vote for 'THE PARTY' Aye right ye are. You know as much about politics as you do about football.

Posted by: mitchell 10th May 2011, 11:58pm

Now you are showing your complete ignorance of the how to vote system.
What planet are you on?
People voting for their party?
It makes no difference what party you want to vote for.
The simple thing here is that you are struggling to comprehend is: You face a fine if you do not enrol at the polls.
Is that simple enough for you to understand.
Not all of UK votes for your beloved BNP party.

Posted by: weeshuggie 11th May 2011, 12:18pm

So I'm ignorant of the how to vote system. Hmmm! I don't recall ever being told I had to vote for 'The Party'

Tut tut this is what you said

"It will give those voters who whinge about their parties defeat something to ponder about."

So how will compulsory voting force anyone to vote for "Their Party" forgive me but ah don't know nothing about voting but see me, being a complete numpty an that, if ah wis telt ah had tae vote an ah couldnae be ersed ah wid dae eeney meeney miney mo or some othetr daft thing and stick that cross where the sun don't shine. So jist run it by me again how forcing me tae vote wid mean ah voted for ma party. An how dae ye know whit party is yours, dae ye tell us going in the door you belong tae that party an you cannae vote fur anythin else.
Now your telling me whit party ah belong too.....nae surprise that everything you ever claim is yet again wrong. See ah hate labour, detest labour but if ah hidnae voted fur them then George Galloway could hiv got back in an ah hate him mair than anything else. Voting BNP wid hiv been a vote wasted, so your logic is actually absolute pish. Forcing people tae vote wid achieve bugger all. But don't let it stop you trying your usual idiotic attempt to bring racism in to the topic because you get it wrong.

Posted by: zascot 11th May 2011, 01:17pm

In SA our voting is next Wednesday and we get massive turnouts mainly because the masses were denied the vote under Apartheid, now it is considered a privilidge to be able to vote for a candidate of your choice. People queue for hours in the sun just to use their right to vote. Different country , different circumstances I know but it just shows the difference.

Posted by: auldbutcher 11th May 2011, 01:34pm

Yep shug poor sad wee fabricator wondering aboot the ootback wie only his boomerang tae play wie laugh.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: weeshuggie 11th May 2011, 01:42pm

Zascot you have what people sought, the democratic right to vote and the democracy to vote for who you like. There is also a democratic right not to bother yer erse voting and a lot of people take that option.
Forcing anyone to vote is certainly not going to get them to vote for any party no matter how one poster thinks it will. You can simply register and waste your vote or go the opposite way and vote for outlandish candidates. Only people who wish to vote will vote with the intent to change direction.

Posted by: zascot 11th May 2011, 02:03pm

Weeshugie I agree with you entirely, I was just making an observation on the difference between the countries and the attitudes of the people, I have been away from UK too long to even try to say if I would or would not vote in your elections I was not trying to pass judgement. Like you noone will force me to do anything.

Posted by: weeshuggie 11th May 2011, 02:14pm

I was only agreeing wae your post Zascot, the rest was showing another poster that forcing people will achieve nothing, it was certainly not directed at you in any way. I do vote but certainly not for the same party because it's my party, I look at what's best for the country and then voting raving looney monster....No I vote for who I feel has the best interests of the country at that time, in the last two elections I had to vote labour to vote against George Galloway, the first time Galloway won but the people of East London cottoned on to him with several telling me I had been correct in everything I had said about him. The second time Galloway lost to labour and he headed home to Glasgow where he believed the lemmings of Scotland were too daft to see through him and I'm happy to say his demise in the Scottish elections made my night. Scotland has grown up, they have seen Labour for the charlatans they are.

Posted by: norrie123 11th May 2011, 03:04pm

Hi wee shuggie, I thought for a while that voting should be compusory but started thinking how do you force folk to place a cross in a box, they could spoil their paper, they have voted but its been deleted, what good would that done , do as you suggested and vote for a no hoper

Mirchell says OZ fines them, well I dont know how OZ collects the fines but I am sure I read in the papers a few weeks ago that Glasgow is owed millions in unpaid fines, or was it Scotland
Anyway, folk who have nothing cant pay fines

It would be great to get 100% turnout and no spoiled papers trouble is who would we all vote for
I almost didn't bother but I turned out voted Labour for the first time since I was an apprentice (apart from voting for the local Labour Councillor), still I had to vote gainst AV

Bye for now, norrie

Posted by: Dylan 11th May 2011, 04:00pm

The right to abstain is as much a right as the right to vote.

Posted by: wee davy 16th May 2011, 02:30pm

I would like to publicly congratulate the SNP on taking Glasgow (though a shame about Maryhill). I wouldn't have given a fig for SNP's chances of their achievement back in the 70's.

One of the pubs I used to frequent (in Fife) had an SNP nutter, who carried a bible in one hand - a copy of 'The Seven Day War' in the other - and he was FOREVER being kicked oot ai pubs, frae Dundee tae Edinburgh.

They've come a long way frae thae days!

Posted by: bilbo.s 16th May 2011, 02:36pm

Quite right, Davy lad, but still a mountain to climb. Never mind Maryhill - what about the borders? They must aw hiv joabs on the ither side an be feart o losin them efter the border posts are set up wi machine gun towers an aw. laugh.gif

Posted by: wee davy 16th May 2011, 02:37pm

aye - and the scottish air force might be located there lol (shhhhhh)

Posted by: ashfield 16th May 2011, 02:46pm

QUOTE (wee davy @ 16th May 2011, 03:38pm) *
One of the pubs I used to frequent (in Fife) had an SNP nutter, who carried a bible in one hand - a copy of 'The Seven Day War' in the other - and he was FOREVER being kicked oot ai pubs, frae Dundee tae Edinburgh.


He wasnae a wee chunky guy wi' a face like a halloween cake called Alex, was he tongue.gif

Posted by: wee davy 16th May 2011, 02:54pm

hahahaha good wan, ash wink.gif nah,... he looked mair like francie, oot ai francie & josie

Posted by: Dunvegan 17th May 2011, 05:30am

QUOTE (norrie123 @ 12th May 2011, 01:12am) *
Hi wee shuggie, I thought for a while that voting should be compusory but started thinking how do you force folk to place a cross in a box, they could spoil their paper, they have voted but its been deleted, what good would that done , do as you suggested and vote for a no hoper

Mirchell says OZ fines them, well I dont know how OZ collects the fines but I am sure I read in the papers a few weeks ago that Glasgow is owed millions in unpaid fines, or was it Scotland
Anyway, folk who have nothing cant pay fines

It would be great to get 100% turnout and no spoiled papers trouble is who would we all vote for
I almost didn't bother but I turned out voted Labour for the first time since I was an apprentice (apart from voting for the local Labour Councillor), still I had to vote gainst AV

Bye for now, norrie

A'wis fined on 2 occasions for not voting in council!!! elections.

Posted by: Dunvegan 17th May 2011, 05:34am

QUOTE (mitchell @ 11th May 2011, 10:06am) *
Now you are showing your complete ignorance of the how to vote system.
What planet are you on?
People voting for their party?
It makes no difference what party you want to vote for.
The simple thing here is that you are struggling to comprehend is: You face a fine if you do not enrol at the polls.
Is that simple enough for you to understand.
Not all of UK votes for your beloved BNP party.

BNP is that the "British Nazi Party" Mitch????

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 17th May 2011, 10:14am

Before leavin' the RAF, I started attending union meetings (AEU) with a brother in law (a shop steward) to ensure that my green card was ready in time (as a serving member of HM Forces I could only be issued with a red card). One evening we took part in a ballot. Two candidates; a younger and an older. I , of course, had no idea but since the 13 members taking part in the vote were all reasonably young I guessed the younger candidate would be "yer man" and voted for him.
Result? ... 12 for & 1 against the old guy.
They members were not pleased with me. They wanted to send in a unanimous result from their corner. I told my b.i.l. that it showed at least that the ballot was democratic. He replied that this was a union ballot and had eff all to do with democracy. rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: wee davy 17th May 2011, 10:54am

lol thats aboot the strength ai it, sure enough wink.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 17th May 2011, 11:04am

Aye, Davy, an' we thought we were riskin' life and limb (ahem wink.gif ) to uphold democracy in our wonderful, lovely, none better nor free-er land of dope and Tory. laugh.gif

Posted by: wee davy 17th May 2011, 11:18am

i actually got tae become chairman ai oor branch furra while. whit a scream that wiz! although it wiznae quite 'pure' feudalism - it wiz no far aff it. a great life experience all the same. and an education in how employers can sometimes try and get away wie murder - LITERALLY!

Posted by: GG 19th May 2011, 08:18am

Alex Salmond, First Minister, is looking to capitalise on the SNP electoral success in Glasgow to target next year's local council elections, where he wants to see the SNP take control of Glasgow City Council for the first time in history. He was out and about in Glasgow yesterday, where he visited Dalmarnock to show support for local people against the demolition of the Accord Centre to make way for a Commonwealth Games development. Mr Salmond believes that recent events in Dalmarnock, site of the athletes' village for Glasgow 2014, are damaging the reputation of the event.

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Salmond throws down the gauntlet in Glasgow
18 May 2011

Alex Salmond has thrown down the gauntlet to Labour in its Glasgow heartland by staking his claim to control the 2014 Commonwealth Games.

As Mr Salmond prepared to be elected as First Minister today, he fired the first shot in what will be a year-long SNP campaign to wrest control of the city’s council from the Labour Party.

Eyebrows were raised yesterday after Mr Salmond, during a visit to the city, took the unusual step of speaking out against plans to demolish a local authority care centre to make way for a Commonwealth Games development. ...

Full story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/salmond-throws-down-the-gauntlet-in-glasgow-1.1102039

GG.

Posted by: charlieboggins 19th May 2011, 04:46pm

Pity he never gave the same support to Mrs Jaconelli.

Posted by: hypatia 19th May 2011, 06:34pm

It was widely reported that the Scottish Government offered to mediate in the Jaconelli case, but were turned down. Alex Salmond has expressed his opinions on this latest matter. Do you wish him to assume dictatorial rights ? That would set a dangerous precedent, don´t you think ?

Are you a supporter of the Jaconellis or the Accord Centre or both ? You do not seem to be an SNP supporter but there again, how can you be a Labour man ?

Posted by: GG 23rd May 2011, 12:40am

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How the SNP have set their sights on taking Glasgow City Council
22 May 2011

According to the tour guides at Glasgow City Chambers, the most unusual visitors since Queen Victoria opened the building in 1888 have been the Cybermen.

A pair of the metal killing machines were filmed for a recent Doctor Who episode clanking down the Carrara marble staircase that transforms the centre of the place into a light-filled grotto inspired by the Italian Renaissance.

These days the mahogany-lined rooms and tiled halls running off the main atrium echo with reports of an even more unlikely alien invasion: the SNP aim to touch down in George Square.

Once regarded as the Kremlin on the Clyde, Labour’s impregnable bastion in the west of Scotland is facing its first credible threat from the Nationalists, thanks to the SNP’s spectacular success in the Holyrood election.

Beyond the kudos of running the biggest council in Scotland, the SNP – if successful – would displace Labour in their heartland, and reach a vital staging post towards independence. ...

Full story here:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/how-the-snp-have-set-their-sights-on-taking-glasgow-city-council-1.1102789

GG.

Posted by: Melody 23rd May 2011, 07:47am

Martin, to my mind that lot were needing cleared out of The Chambers for a long time now.

Anything would be an improvement to what we became accustomed to in recent years.
The Kremlin on the Clyde....if only. smile.gif

Posted by: Scotsman 3rd Sep 2011, 12:03pm

Me too Melody and I see that Labour are busy trying to sift out all the deadwood from the city chambers as they are now getting ready for the local council elections next year. I hear that they are running scared and want to get rid of all the freeloaders who have been sitting back doing nothing for the city for all these years.... makes me wonder though whether there will be any left to stay and fight for their cosy positions!!

Posted by: his lordship 30th Sep 2011, 10:58am

SNP or Labour - what's the difference?