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> The Rise Of Glasgow's Quango State, Aleos and extra payments to councillors
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post 8th Apr 2010, 09:12pm
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QUOTE (GG @ 8th Apr 2010, 10:15pm) *
I'm not so sure Davy as – although the Aleos are a Labour initiative – city councillors of all the main parties have been receiving payments. As you say though, I think it is more likely to be an issue in the council elections which will take place on May 5th 2011, the same day as the Holyrood elections.

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I agree GG - but the local council elections will not take place until 2012!

Hopefully voters will have good memories. I for one will be working to make sure the memory lingers on but I'm sure the words 'foot' and 'shooting' are firmly entrenched in Glasgow Labour's vocabulary
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post 8th Apr 2010, 09:16pm
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... willing to stand up for Glasgow in any way is the SNP, although they also are involved in taking cash for sitting on Aleos, though their councillors say they were only doing so to keep an eye on Labour councillors!!! ...

You are correct PM, in that this appears to be the SNP 'party line' regarding nationalist councillors sitting on the boards of Aleos. However, as the following letter from an SNP councillor in North Lanarkshire shows, that position is not quite as straightforward as it initially appears:

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Councillors serving on arms-length organisations are acting as company directors.

As such, they are legally obliged to publicly support company policy and confidentiality. They cannot publicly criticise any agreed company line or activity.

Membership of these company boards allows councillors, especially opposition councillors, to at least learn what is going on inside the tent. However, strictly and legally speaking, such councillor-directors are not even supposed to be the eyes and ears for their councillor or party colleagues beyond the company. These same restrictions apply to so-called “employee representatives” on such company boards: they too are in law, directors of the company, first and foremost.

Councillor Tom Johnston, SNP councillor, North Lanarkshire Council.

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post 8th Apr 2010, 09:20pm
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Ooops! Thanks farci, that's what U get for reading the 'description' in Google rather than clicking through to the full page result:

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The 2011 Scottish Parliament election will be held on Thursday 5 May 2011 to elect members to the Scottish Parliament. It will be the fourth general election.

Local council elections are due to take place on the same day, but are likely to be moved, perhaps to 2012, following the publication of the Gould Report.

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post 9th Apr 2010, 11:30am
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That is a quite astonishing piece of correspondence from the nat councillor. He is effectively saying that while sitting on these boards councillors are legally prevented from representing and/or promoting the interests of the people they represent, should those interests conflict with the company's own interests.

THAT IS DISGRACEFUL!!!
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post 9th Apr 2010, 11:33am
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Does that just no' make you fume wee davy?

It would be interesting to know if any of these 'fine up-standing' councillors have resigned their lucrative positions on boards in order to adequately represent the people they were supposed to.... ie. US!
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post 9th Apr 2010, 11:43am
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The saddest thing of all - is that it is indicative of what we're all complicity guilty at times - ie. its not 'what you know' so much as 'who you know'. It makes me weep, Patter - WEEP! All the way to the Houses of Parliament!!

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post 9th Apr 2010, 04:27pm
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Without these NGOs the Council would be unable to deliver services at a cost it can afford so dont miss the issue here. These arms length companies can be given a budget by the Council which will not be subject to the regular topping up by the service committee from whom it is derived whenever it is overspent. It is going to be even more vital to have ALEOs in the next 5-10 years. The Unions should be lobbying to have reps on the boards rather than criticising the structures.

This comment does not mean I support big wages for councillors or union reps. There should be remuneration but at rates that are capped to reflect real work carried out and risks attached. Yes we need to realise that trade unions and local lobby groups will wail and rail about this because they have little influence over boards that are governed by either company or charities law and are required to look after the company rather than the service, but this is how to get the job done for a price.
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Hi Drew
Setting aside all emotions/affiliations here - shouldn't Unions be invited to have representation on these boards, rather than go 'cap in hand'? I think most successful blue chip companies do exactly that.

Transparency is what the public are entitled to.

btw it is one of the main reasons unions exist in this country - to critically analyse structures, on their members behalf - its what people pay their dues for - apart from the obvious insurance against employer exploitation.

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post 9th Apr 2010, 08:12pm
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Without these NGOs the Council would be unable to deliver services at a cost it can afford so dont miss the issue here. These arms length companies can be given a budget by the Council which will not be subject to the regular topping up by the service committee from whom it is derived whenever it is overspent. It is going to be even more vital to have ALEOs in the next 5-10 years. The Unions should be lobbying to have reps on the boards rather than criticising the structures.

This comment does not mean I support big wages for councillors or union reps. There should be remuneration but at rates that are capped to reflect real work carried out and risks attached. Yes we need to realise that trade unions and local lobby groups will wail and rail about this because they have little influence over boards that are governed by either company or charities law and are required to look after the company rather than the service, but this is how to get the job done for a price.

At last - another sensible contribution and not just a rant!

As you say the problem is not the ALEO system but the way it has been abused in Glasgow, principally by the majority party aided and abetted by the naivety of a not very effective opposition. The only people who blew the whistle on the biggest smash and grab - "Culchur 'n Sport" - when it was set up were the unions but that was ineffectual too.

So, if the political and union establishments won't grasp the nettle maybe it's for the great unwashed like us to push it up the agenda given that a council election looms in 2012? To me this situation is symptomatic of the arrogance which brought us a number of decisions clearly opposed by taxpayers - night club in the Botanics, Go Ape in Pollok Park, closure of Paddy's Market, Tesco Town in Partick, larceny of the Common Good Fund - to name but a few.

Dear readers, if anyone would like to form a pressure group to lobby for a better system, send me a private message.
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post 9th Apr 2010, 09:04pm
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Without these NGOs the Council would be unable to deliver services at a cost it can afford so dont miss the issue here. ...

The NGOs/Aleos are also unable to deliver the services. From The Herald December 9th 2009:

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  • As part of Culture and Sport Glasgow’s 3.4m savings plan, 12 community facilities will close in the foreseeable future. These include: Bellrock Community Centre, Invercraig Tenants Hall, Cadder Community Centre, Argo Recreation Centre, Garthamlock Recreation Centre, Cathkin Recreation Centre, Lorne Street Community Centre, Overnewton Recreation Centre, Wyndford Recreation Centre, Red Road Recreation Centre, Ledgowan Tenants Hall and Knightswood Swimming Pool.
  • St Mungo’s Museum of Religious Life and Art, People’s Palace and Winter Gardens, Scotland Street School Museum, Provand’s Lordship, and the Glasgow Museums Resource Centre will close on Mondays. ... Sighthill Library to close due to low use.

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post 10th Apr 2010, 08:07am
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Glasgow has been served well by hard working Labour Councillors for years, standing up to the Tories and more recently the Nationalists. Glasgow returns Labour year in year out owing to how effective they have been for the city. Glasgow bashing seems to come quite easy for some of you.

Mr Purcell devoted his lfe to Glasgow and done us proud, we have a lot to thank him for. The stress placed on him partly by negativity was shameful.
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post 10th Apr 2010, 10:05am
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Poor Rita - she's worked in that corner shop too long!


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