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JAGZ1876 Posted Today, 04:10pm
 
QUOTE (DannyH @ 4th Dec 2020, 04:00pm) *
So there you have it folks, Roman Catholic’s vote for Independence and Proddies vote against it. Atheists like myself get the casting votes.


So there you have it folks, Danny adds two and two together and comes up with five.

DannyH Posted Today, 04:00pm
  I was wondering why Ashfield suddenly brought religion into this topic, then when I had a look at TeeHee’s post which he was referring to, it became clear.

Tomi said relatives of his had voted against Independence. He used the expression, Fid Def as the reason. I had never heard of that before, but lo and behold it appears on many British coins currently in use.

The original use of the term Fid Def, is an abbreviation of the Latin phrase, Feido Defeso, which means Defender of the Faith.

This title was originally given to Henry Vlll by the Pope, for defending the Roman Catholic religion.

Fine, I thought at first, Tomi’s relatives must be Roman Catholics, who want to remain in the UK.

But then, I noticed that Fed Def is stamped on many British coins. So I looked at some British coins and there it was Fed Def. The only thing is, that it is Queen Elizabeth who is on the coin too.

So she is the current Defender of the Faith, so I take it that some of Tee Hee’s extended family are Orangemen.

So there you have it folks, Roman Catholic’s vote for Independence and Proddies vote against it. Atheists like myself get the casting votes. Who needs Polls when we have the Glasgow Guide!

DannyH Posted Today, 02:59pm
 
QUOTE (ashfield @ 4th Dec 2020, 10:32am) *
Good post Tomi, we understand the reason for the typos :thumbup:

I set out my attitude to independence in post 22519 so I won't reprise them here. I'm in a similar situation concerning rellies who are against independence based on their "religious" preference. The comedy is, of course, that they are not in the least bit "religious". Sadly, Scotland remains stuck with something that is as damaging and pernicious as the virus currently affecting our daily lives, religious intolerance. If only there was a vaccine for that.

Hello Ashfield

I intend to respond to Tomi’s well thought out post which you are referring to. I am sure you will agree with me that he covers a range of issues. It will therefore be necessary for me to respond to him by addressing the issues separately. I will.

Your reference to people being against Independence on religious grounds is a new issue to me. I am an atheist. In saying that, I do not think you believe that I am one of those who voted on religious grounds. Where I do agree with you, is that many people who say they are a Protestant, or a Roman Catholic, are neither.

So what reason does a Protestant, fake or otherwise, have for voting against Independence?
What reason does a Roman Catholic, fake or otherwise, have for voting against Independence?

I could guess, but I prefer to hear it from you.

Danny
JAGZ1876 Posted Today, 12:04pm
 
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 3rd Dec 2020, 09:39pm) *
Jagz, let's face facts. In this day and age, anyone who doesn't support independence for Scotland , especially with this Tory Government in WM , has got to be insane. Unfortunately there are approximately 2 million such buggers among us.



No Bill, there were around two million who preferred Westminster rule in 2014, there are a lot less than that now, and no matter how deep in the sand some bury their heads support for independence is now the majority.
ashfield Posted Today, 10:32am
  Good post Tomi, we understand the reason for the typos thumbup.gif

I set out my attitude to independence in post 22519 so I won't reprise them here. I'm in a similar situation concerning rellies who are against independence based on their "religious" preference. The comedy is, of course, that they are not in the least bit "religious". Sadly, Scotland remains stuck with something that is as damaging and pernicious as the virus currently affecting our daily lives, religious intolerance. If only there was a vaccine for that.
TeeHeeHee Posted Today, 08:08am
 
QUOTE (DannyH @ 28th Nov 2020, 10:06pm) *
... I do not mean this in any offensive way Tomi, but I live in Scotland. I am a big enough boy to know if I think the time is right to even talk about the issue of another referendum, when there are multiple deaths occurring as we sit here corresponding. If you are getting the impression that the majority of people in Scotland are focused on the issue of Independence, then Tomi my friend you are reading or hearing fake news. Trust me.

Thank you for your courteous response to my post.

Regards

Danny.

PS there may be a few typing errors in the above post. I have opted out of editing them because I had to write my long response to Jagz, twice. I must have done something wrong in the edit function.


Danny, hi, even if it was your intention to be offensive it wouldn't work on me since I cannot be offended, bullied or belittled; the latter being of necessity because I'm little enough, but I can be annoyed; sometimes extremely.
I know you live in Scotland; in fact I could say I know where you live but that could put a different meaning to the fact that I know that you live in Scotland: a bit like you saying that you served behind the Iron Curtain with the British Army when in fact you meant that you were in West Berlin where I've wot=rked on three ocassions before the wall went down but hey, Danny, did you ever go into East Berlin? Like behind the Concrete Wall as opposed to the political Iron Curtain? Want to see my DDR stamp on my passport or or my
East German bank account number for what that's worth?
The trouble with facts is that the can be distorted like Trumps Alternate Facts: I see you're into method of discuss as highlighted.
I have family, still, living in Scotland who are against Independance but only for one reason and one reason alone and that's fid def and all that. Each to his own I suppose, every one has the right to follow his convictions whether it's for the general good or not but I do think that attitide blinkers folks to the future: loke you thinking you're a big boy who thinks the time is not yet for a referendum or an Indi Scotland. The thing is Danny; and I too am not being offensive here, you're days of being a big boy are gone, like mine, and you're simply an auld guy, like me, but the difference is you haven't moved on.
The future dosee not belong to us, only the past where prople like you and I feel comfortable with our memories of how things were; good or bad.
Our grandchildren, well, since mine are all big boys and girls now, their grandchildren, could have done with a bvit of forward thinking from stubborn old geezers on these important issues like the EU and Independance.
Perhaps you'll have a re-think when the next referendum comes around; Covid or no Covid (which, like Polio, Mumps and Measles were. will be here for a while) and understand that a sovereign, independant, Scotland is our heritage to our children's grandchildren and we should do everything in our power to ensure the have that.
We rember the wars and the fallen but we move on: time waits for no man, right?

As for typos and errors, join the club: of course in my case my keyboard makes them and I don't see them (except for Independance cos Ah've always enjoyed a we dance at the end rolleyes.gif

bilbo.s Posted Y'day, 09:39pm
  Jagz, let's face facts. In this day and age, anyone who doesn't support independence for Scotland , especially with this Tory Government in WM , has got to be insane. Unfortunately there are approximately 2 million such buggers among us.
JAGZ1876 Posted Y'day, 08:57pm
 
QUOTE (wombat @ 3rd Dec 2020, 07:37pm) *
tongue.gif we don need no steenking badges laugh.gif



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JAGZ1876 Posted Y'day, 08:55pm
 
QUOTE (ashfield @ 3rd Dec 2020, 05:28pm) *
Anybody else feel a draught unsure.gif Has somebody left a door open rolleyes.gif



As my Dad used to say "were you born in a field?" laugh.gif
wombat Posted Y'day, 07:37pm
 
QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 3rd Dec 2020, 05:27pm) *
Wear this like a badge of honour, Jagz!



tongue.gif we don need no steenking badges laugh.gif
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