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Posted by: GG 9th Dec 2011, 12:18am


City bosses have been getting hot under the collar after their latest attempt to clean our streets was branded "farcical". Bosses want the city's housing officers to keep a photographic record of all tenants' dogs, together with pet's name, age, breed, colour, sex and a written description of each animal.

The 'dugshot' (dog mugshot) policy, adopted by Drumchapel Housing Cooperative and encouraged by the council, is intended to allow enforcement officers to identify dogs who foul on the city's streets. The officers have often complained that dog walkers frequently use hats and scarves to disguise themselves, making it difficult to identify them and trace them back to a housing association's property.

Attention now, though, is turning to the dogs themselves, and council bosses hope a doggie photo database will allow Clean Glasgow staff to check photographs of dogs against CCTV stills to help identify irresponsible owners. Offending dog owners will face a fine and possibly risk losing their homes in the crackdown.

A council executive spokesman said:
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"[Photographic] animal registers are another weapon in the battle to change people’s habits and force them to act responsibly."

Nick Pickles, a civil liberties activist, branded the plans over-the-top:
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"While it may seem farcical, the serious implications of this kind of surveillance cannot be understated. It is a grossly disproportionate response to the issue to adopt the kind of surveillance not seen since the fall of the Berlin Wall to tackle dog fouling.

It's hardly surprising that between managing these databases of pet mugshots and hiding in hedges taking surveillance photographs the council struggle to find the time to clean the streets."

Since the beginning of August, 109 40 fixed penalty notices have been issued in the city for dog fouling as part of action designed to reduce the 10 tons of dog mess the council clears every day.


GG.

Posted by: angel 9th Dec 2011, 12:36am

A better chance of getting the 40pounds fine from the dogs .!

Posted by: Rabbie 9th Dec 2011, 01:11am

Wit next dug prints, biometric dugports and DNA samples

Its sad to think that some scat brained eegits get paid a wage to come up with keech like this.




Posted by: jakka13 9th Dec 2011, 01:26am

Who wid want the job of collectimg the DNA from wee dugs dain ther business .Better gettin mug shots of the owners who don't pick it up .Mer chance o'gettin money from them than the dug . rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Alex MacPhee 9th Dec 2011, 01:42am

QUOTE (GG @ 9th Dec 2011, 12:37am) *
The officers have often complained that dog walkers frequently use hats and scarves to disguise themselves, making it difficult to identify them and trace them back to a housing association's property.

It presumably hasn't dawned on them that a dog-walker who uses a hat and scarf to mask his identity while roaming the roads with Rover, will be savvy enough to put a hat and scarf on the dug too, and keep them both incognito while pooch paces the pavements for a place to pee and poo.

Posted by: CAMPSIE 9th Dec 2011, 02:09am

QUOTE (GG @ 8th Dec 2011, 11:37pm) *
City bosses have been getting hot under the collar after their latest attempt to clean the city was branded "farcical". Bosses want the city's housing officers to keep a photographic record of all tenants' dogs, together with pet's name, age, breed, colour, sex and a written description of each animal. ...

As a dog owner I really cannot understand those dog owners who let their dogs foul the pavements and don't pick it up. I wonder how quick those self same people would be if a toddler in their family were to fall over in the pavement and loose their sight from a parasitic infection left behind from a dogs shit. They would be squealing blue murder no doubt. THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. As for those who want to spout about civil liberties and the such, GROW UP and get some common sense. Dog owners like these should be shamed into cleaning up their act why should clean innocent people have to put up with this filth.

Posted by: The Callands Rebel 9th Dec 2011, 02:19am

Yes, this Colonist has a word on this, too.

I have pondered for years, now, who has the market share of idiotic government leadership.

Sorry, but as we Colonists sprung from the Isles, the UK wins the DoDo award for government leadership, DID I SAY LEADERSHIP from either?

But we probaly corner the market on paying these fools.

If you serve just one term you are afforded a pension FOR LIFE to the tune of 80,000 pounds and the higher in politics you go, the higher the
pension , AGAIN, FOR LIFE.

Jerry

Posted by: CAMPSIE 9th Dec 2011, 02:31am

I appreciate where you are coming from Jerry, but fools they might be stupid they are not, not when they are inline for 80,000, think I might become one of those fools.

Posted by: one time weegie 9th Dec 2011, 02:35am

So its only tenants dogs that foul the streets now is it? I can't see many truly anti-social owners letting a housing officer ID their dog in the first place and some of the hounds I have seen I wouldnt want to without a very long lens anyway! What do the housing Dept Staff have to say about this one?

Posted by: daddymuzza 9th Dec 2011, 03:10am

10 tons of dog mess the council clears every DAY ......... My Dugs Arse !!!!!
Where does the ten tons of dog mess go each day ? where is yesterdays ? or last weeks 70 ton for that matter.
Is it always dumped (lol) by the council in the same place cause i'm sure we wouldn't need a sniffer dog to find it.
Or do they have some kind of muck spredder to ease the burden.

Posted by: youngsy 9th Dec 2011, 04:31am

Surely this is a wind up. Please tell me that this is a joke because if there are people getting paid to come up with these sort of suggestions then please someone step in and show the people of Drumchapel the idiots that are making decisions on their behalf.

Now personally I don't like dogs, never have since two bit me as a young lad, but as for fouling the srteets this is down to irresponsible people who should have a lot more consideration for the public.

I can understand the need to take action on people whose dogs foul the street but a photo database on dogs, who's kidding who. Perhaps a designated dog patrol, maybe on similar lines to what the police had in the sixties/seventies, the untouchables,whose sworn duty would be to hunt down and handcuff, or maybe pawcuff is a better word, these dogs that have flouted the law of the canine world.

Posted by: beth 9th Dec 2011, 04:49am

Youngsy, that is what I thought, a kid on, it is surely?

Posted by: zascot 9th Dec 2011, 06:12am

What goes " Woof Woof Bang"? A terrierist.

Posted by: cocotkd 9th Dec 2011, 06:50am

Another waste of taxpayers money. If it wasn't for dog poo half of us will have no luck! tongue.gif

Posted by: Austinstaff 9th Dec 2011, 06:54am

What about a dug Bar-L ? We could have dug courts and lawyers defending innocent dugs ! I know ; a dug identity parade ! Wa this the dug you saw sir ? Lol dug police ? Dug parole board and rehabiitation too ! Brilliant lol. The list is endless. I am up for it . There are a lot of dangerous dugs oot there ; let's be careful.

Posted by: *Jungle Jim* 9th Dec 2011, 08:39am

So, we are to believe that this "farcical" - I'd have went further - policy is somehow to make our streets cleaner? Didn't we go down this road before for people who dropped a fag end and then putting their details in the local rag? How long did that last? How effective was that? Are Glasgow's streets any cleaner for having spent millions on that particular waste of time?

Perhaps someone - if there is anyone - among the council "bosses" who knows what they are doing should ask WHY Glasgow has the dirtiest streets in Europe? Civic Pride? And how can we have any civic pride when we see the our leaders shame the city at any and every opportunity?

Posted by: tamhickey 9th Dec 2011, 09:07am

You'd think we'd nothing better to spend our money on. Are they all barking mad?

Posted by: ashfield 9th Dec 2011, 09:16am

I like a good laugh in the morning, can you get whoever thought this one up to produce more ideas to keep us going laugh.gif

I suppose if people don't pay their fines they will call in the retrievers rolleyes.gif

There is good reason to try and stop some owners from allowing their dogs to foul public areas and pavements. This "plan" isn't the way to do it.

Posted by: Rabbie 9th Dec 2011, 09:24am

Wit dea ye call a dug wi a lisp....Ruth!

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 9th Dec 2011, 09:30am

Jeez ... Ye need eyes at the back o' yer hied noo. laugh.gif


Posted by: Rabbie 9th Dec 2011, 09:36am

Haw haw, very good! Noo then, this has to be a wee bit of wind up but it's no April 1st yit.

Right enough dug mess is a problem thats afoot in many areas but it trancends all elements of our society, it's no jist the domain some cooncil tenents. Fookwits and the socially challenged hail from all walks of "life"; classes, creeds, colours and genders, 4 of them at last count.

One cheap and easy solution would be to package up the offending goodies and then pop the present through the letter box of the unsuspecting owner. It's Christmassss efter all, the time to give.

Now theres a real joab opportunity, any takers for a Scoop and Post Operative?

"Dug shit is a problem, together we can stamp it out!"

Posted by: Rabbie 9th Dec 2011, 09:46am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 9th Dec 2011, 08:49am) *
Jeez ... Ye need eyes at the back o' yer hied noo. laugh.gif


Now waash yer paws!

Posted by: ashfield 9th Dec 2011, 10:01am

Great idea Rabbie but................we had a serial dropper round our way, problem was we had no idea when it was happening. By the size of the evidence we all thought we were looking for a guy wi' an elephant on a lead rolleyes.gif I would have been happy to "return to sender" but it would have to gone back parcel post.

Which takes me to the futility of the cunning plan outlined at the beginning. People who let their dugs foul pavements rarely do it near their own house.

As for our problem, well it just stopped but we never caught the culprit.

Posted by: chas1937 9th Dec 2011, 10:33am

What about folk who just open door and let dog out unlike me and my neighbours who take our dogs out no matter whether it was a day as bad as yesterday.It's these dogs that foul on pavements and elsewhere.We clean up our dog poo and where do we have too put it.In the litter bins as there is no designated dog bins in my area.Then we come to all this carry on about making children go blind etc.Can anyone on the site put their hand up and honestly say yes they know someone which I very much doubt.There already are wardens who come out regularly here with cameras and yes I do know folk who have fell foul and been caught.Guess what they gave out false names and addresses so where do they go from there.At least the weather isn't shitty today.

Posted by: mlconnelly 9th Dec 2011, 11:09am

As someone who regularly has to walk a slalom course down my street to avoid dog shit , I'm open to any suggestions as to how to get inconsiderate and irresponsible dog owners to pick up after their dogs. My local housing association sends out regular letters to everyone, including homeowners who are factored by them, explaining the consequences of dog fouling and offer poop scoops free to anyone who asks. They also encourage the public to report and, if possible, to photograph anyone they see not picking up after their dogs. So until someone comes up with a better idea, anythings better than nothing. Mary
PS. As it was pointed out to me ages ago, there's not point putting up "No Dog Fouling" notices, dugs cannae read. laugh.gif

Posted by: sumac 9th Dec 2011, 11:23am

I have laughed and laughed at all your comments! And the wee jokes are brilliant! It's all almost as funny as the idea of "dugshots". I don't want to appear "racist" (or should that be "doggist"?) but, to most people, one lab looks like another lab, one terrier looks like another, etc. You can see from my avatar that I am a doggy person and I can't tell the difference! What chance a Dug Patrol.

"Is this your dug, mister? Naw, Ah'm lookin efter it fur a freen an anywye, ma dug's only goat 3 legs, honest."

There are several dog-owners near us who live in "the big posh hooses" who never pick up. I get mad at having to Dodge the Do to pick up after my dog. I think the idea of posting it back sounds great but - - - - one of the huge Newfoundland dogs' owners is Man Mountain like his dug. I don't fancy posting anything through his door!!!

As for 10 tons of dogs**t? I'd believe it! I think it's all lying on the pavements of Ayrshire!

Posted by: Rabbie 9th Dec 2011, 11:55am

Another simple solution, smack the dug owner on the snort with a rolled up newspaper.

Su for the appropraite renumeration <winks>, I will post the package though the man mountains door. I am a black belt in Origami, if he starts on me I will fold him in haulf.




Posted by: jack j 9th Dec 2011, 12:04pm

don't these people have more to do with thier time than sitting on thier backsides thinking up ways and means of controling people (and thier dogs) it'll be thier cats next . why don't they get a life?


Posted by: jack j 9th Dec 2011, 12:07pm

anyway who separates and wieghs the stuff?

Posted by: james mchugh 9th Dec 2011, 12:13pm

QUOTE (beth @ 9th Dec 2011, 04:08am) *
Youngsy, that is what I thought, a kid on, it is surely?


Posted by: sumac 9th Dec 2011, 01:40pm

Oh thanks, Rabbie! If you fold him in half, I might just be able to reach his nose to punch it!!! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: droschke7 9th Dec 2011, 01:46pm

Housing officers are to keep dugshots of tennants dogs? What about those who own their houses or flats? Can their dogs foul the streets with impunity?

Posted by: thunder badger 9th Dec 2011, 01:46pm

This looks like a job for.....FENTON!!!

Posted by: RobBob 9th Dec 2011, 03:28pm

QUOTE (zascot @ 9th Dec 2011, 05:31am) *
What goes " Woof Woof Bang"? A terrierist.

Sounds more like a terrierist chasing a parked car.

The war on Terrier droppings could be easily solved if the city decides that it is not going to pickup doggie droppings for the next month. After 30 days of ten tons a day, 300 tons of it lying around is sure to catch the attention of everyone. I think then that the people who let their dogs drop will soon get the message when they have to fight the mess while walking their dogs, being the ones whose terriers created it. People will continue to walk their dogs on the same pathways each day and when they have to fight the problem themselves they will come to understand what is causing it. Next the city can put up free baggies on a telephone pole at the worst spots with a notice to the dog owners so the people get the idea of what they are expected to do. Sometimes you have to just let things happen the way nature decided them to happen to help people get the message. It isn't the dog's fault.

Posted by: dot21 9th Dec 2011, 04:00pm

I am a dog owner and I think it is disgusting that owner's leave the mess anywhere, I for one never have I alway's clean up after my pet it is not the dog's fault but the owner's and anyone doing this should be fined on the spot.

We live beside a beach and most people are responsible owner's but one lady did not pick up after her dog unknown to her the dog warden was watching and fined her 40 which she had to pay there and then. She assured me it would be the last time she would not pick up after her dog so maybe this policy work's.

Posted by: Rabbie 9th Dec 2011, 04:05pm

Unfortunately, I have seen a wee issue with leaving wee bags, certain dug owners scoop and bag. Yet, they then bollox it by then hanging the bags of duggie doings in nearby bushes, including those in other fowks gardens. There are places that resemble a duggie poo bag Xmas tree.

Surely, dunnderhieds of this ilk that engage in the above offence practice are potentially berift of life from the neck upwards. Indeeed I would submit that serial offenders should be banned from keeping dugs.

Sadly, it appears in some instances dugs have more intelligence their owners.

Posted by: dot21 9th Dec 2011, 04:13pm

I quite agree with you Rabbie but responsible owners can take the wee bag's home with them and dispose of them there, the one's who don't are worse than their pet's who only know what their owner teaches them.

Posted by: Austinstaff 9th Dec 2011, 07:50pm

What about a dug Bar-L ? We could have dug courts and lawyers defending innocent dugs ! I know ; a dug identity parade ! Wa this the dug you saw sir ? Lol dug police ? Dug parole board and rehabiitation too ! Brilliant lol. The list is endless. I am up for it . There are a lot of dangerous dugs oot there ; let's be careful

Posted by: Rab 9th Dec 2011, 08:47pm

Two men are approaching each other as the walk down the street. Both
are dragging their right foot as they walk. As they meet, one man looks
at the other knowingly, points at his foot and says, "Vietnam, 1973."

The other points his thumb behind him and says, "Dog s**t, 20 feet back."

'Not me!'

Posted by: nakimaki 9th Dec 2011, 08:49pm

Ah think the fine should be in relation to the size of the dirt not the size of the dug coz have seen some wee dugs ....

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GG Edit: okay, naki, I think I'll stop you there!

Posted by: GG 9th Dec 2011, 10:58pm

This story came back to bite the council's bum a wee bit after a disgruntled resident at Lancefield Quay wrote into to the Evening Times to complain about the mess left behind by domesticated animals ... only this time it was horses, police horses!

The unhappy resident living near a walkway overlooking the Clyde complained that the sheer scale of horse mess made it a more potent danger than dog dirt:

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"The walkway has been done up really well by the city council in anticipation of the Commonwealth Games. It is well used by residents and by people going to and from the SECC and other venues and offices.

It is now a beautiful area, but it is being spoiled not by dogs but by police horses. I frequently see police horses cantering along the walkway and they leave a trail of manure behind.

Joggers, cyclists, tourists and people walking have to negotiate their way round a lot of horse dung.

The horses soil pavements and roads so why don't the police carry poop scoops for the horses, because they leave a much bigger mess than any dog would."

A police spokesman replied:
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"As all horses are vegetarians their excrement is completely biodegradable and breaks down very quickly into powder form.

Where required, we contact the local council in the area the horses are in to organise to clean up."

A council spokesman responded to the complaint:
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"There is a legal requirement for people to clean up after their dogs and that is what Clean Glasgow is enforcing. There is no law requiring riders to clean up manure left by their horses on public pathways.

Horses are vegetarian, so their manure does not present the same health risks as dog faeces."

GG.

Posted by: Rabbie 10th Dec 2011, 12:26am

"As all horses are vegetarians their excrement is completely biodegradable and breaks down very quickly into powder form."

Aye true enough. Now, if only the excrement politicains / think tank numpties produce was of some use. Hot air.... hmm alternative energy, could be on to a winner there. Mind ye, ye heard it from me first!

I havnea heard of horse joabbies harming anywan, wid ye fertilise yer prize roses wi dug doings or gee gee droppings, should be a no brainer tae maist fowks. wink.gif

Posted by: glasgow lass 10th Dec 2011, 12:51am

o' for a minit there Rabbie a though'y were going to say powdered milk biggrin.gif

Posted by: DannyH 10th Dec 2011, 01:16am

I am sorry, but I don't agree with some of the contributors to this discussion who seem to think this is a laughing matter. For some reason or others many Scots accept dog fouling and litter as just a way of life. Sadly, in Scotland it is accepted as such. We as a nation have lost pride in our country. Oh yes we will sing "Oh Flower of Scotland" at football matches and other events, throwing our chests out with pride, while at the same time dropping tons of litter at our feet.

I cite as an example of how low we have sunk as a nation when Japanese students and other Japanese nationals went around the streets of Glasgow cleaning up the litter, as a way of thanking Glaswegians for their support for the Japanese who suffered during the Tsunami. Our newspapers printed photos of these goodhearted Japanese at work on our behalf. Welcome to the city that is going to host the Commonwealth Games!

It is too late now for Glasgow Councillors to reverse dog fouling or the litter problem. It is part of our culture whether we like it or not. Some of the responses on this discussion confirm this. It is a big joke. Travel on any train or bus in Glasgow and surrounding areas and by the time you reach your destination you will see litter all over these vehicles. Look out the windows during your journey and what do you see? Litter everywhere.

I went to school in Canada when I was evacuated during World War Two. We lived outside the City boundary, so there was no refuse collection service. Every household had to dispose of its own rubbish. This was done by incinerating what would burn, and burying everything else. The streets were spotless. It was drummed into us at school that we must take pride in our commuinity.

I went back five years ago for a short visit. I walked down the same streets. There was no litter to be seen.

So the moral of that ending is that pride in the community has been passed on through the generations in the community where I lived in Canada. It is also obvious that the same thing has happened in Japan. Sadly, pride in the community has not been passed on through the generations in Scotland. This discussion would not be treated as a joke in those two countries, or indeed in many other parts of the world.

Danny Harris

Posted by: Rabbie 10th Dec 2011, 01:17am

Poodered mulk Lass. Never touch the stuff!!

Posted by: Rabbie 10th Dec 2011, 01:46am

QUOTE (DannyH @ 10th Dec 2011, 12:35am) *
We as a nation have lost pride in our country. Oh yes we will sing "Oh Flower of Scotland" at football matches and other events, throwing our chests out with pride, while at the same time dropping tons of litter at our feet.

I disagree!

For one, speaking for myself, as it were. I have not lost pride in the UK, yet. This once fine nation can be saved from losing its unique identity.

However, I am jolly well miffed at the way we are mismanaged and about all PC wiffle we are bombarded with. PC, for me is far worse than any amount of dog fouling or wee nyaffs littering the streets with cider bottles and fag ends.

Oh, for the record, I do not possess a sense of humour. In fact, it has been remarked by top scientists that I have no sense at awe; lead and mercury posioning apparently.

Thankfully, in my favour I cannea and willnea sing. Also, ah certainly do not drop litter or foul the streets. I am properly hoose trained and free to a guid hame, just contact Missus Rabbie ;()

tongue.gif

Posted by: GG 10th Dec 2011, 12:12pm

QUOTE (DannyH @ 10th Dec 2011, 12:35am) *
I am sorry, but I don't agree with some of the contributors to this discussion who seem to think this is a laughing matter. ...

It is too late now for Glasgow Councillors to reverse dog fouling or the litter problem. It is part of our culture whether we like it or not. Some of the responses on this discussion confirm this. It is a big joke. Travel on any train or bus in Glasgow and surrounding areas and by the time you reach your destination you will see litter all over these vehicles. Look out the windows during your journey and what do you see? Litter everywhere. ...

Danny, thanks for your very interesting comments on dog fouling and litter in general. We have had a bit of fun here with our replies, but I think that this is typical of Glaswegian humour ... laughing in the face of adversity, or, perhaps in this case, stupidity?

I am sure everyone knows how serious the litter problem is in Glasgow. You only have to walk down any street: from the city centre to the peripheral housing estates, to see streets filled with discarded rubbish and other dirt.

I think we have to look at the underlying reasons, and I would certainly agree that pride in the community (or civic pride, as another poster refered to it) is a major factor. But who/what sets the tone for pride in a community? You mention Glasgow councillors, and I would agree: I think they bear a heavy burden of responsibility for allowing a generational slide in Glaswegians' pride in their own community. Similarly, other city politicians also carry that burden. But to what extent have politicians set an example likely to promote pride in one's community?

Very rarely do politicians even live in the communities which they claim to care so deeply for? Take the case of the ex-MP for Springburn, he represented the poorest constituency in the country while living in one of the most affluent, even then he spent most of his time in London. For many people, the only time they see a politician in their community is when they come knocking on doors looking for a vote ... then another four or five years pass.

Of course, people make their own choices in life. However, those choices are largely determined by their environment, upbringing and, according to the latest social research, overwhelmingly to the levels of inequality in a society. Is it any wonder that pride in our communities has plummeted at exactly the same time that levels of inequality have reached Victorian proportions? It was mentioned that Canadians have more pride in their communities ... is it surprising that Canada is a much more 'equal' country that the UK? Take the least unequal countries in the world: Finland, Norway, Japan, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Austria and Germany. Can anyone imagine their streets over-flowing with litter?

I'm just inviting people to look at the underlying reasons as to why Glasgow is such a dirty city. I'm not saying that I have all the answers ... but I do suspect that photographing dogs is not one of them.

GG.

Posted by: GG 10th Dec 2011, 12:16pm

QUOTE (Rabbie @ 10th Dec 2011, 01:05am) *
I disagree!

For one, speaking for myself, as it were. I have not lost pride in the UK, yet. This once fine nation can be saved from losing its unique identity. ...

I refer the learned member to the response I gave some moments ago. wink.gif

GG.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 10th Dec 2011, 01:02pm

The streets in German towns and cities certainly do not overflow with litter, GG, but I'm starting to wonder how long that might last. Even though we have very many litter bins on the local mountain and surrounding beauty spots (I've even got a film of the refuse collection on the mountain and the guys sweeping and blowing the leaves off the gravel by the BBQ) but in the last few years I've seen too that littering is creeping in around here. We regularly have to take tetra-pacs and bottles out of the hedge, yesterday a broken umbrella, and on the riverside this week I found a wardrobe door complete with mirror. Who drives out of town and then walks along the river to dump a wardrobe door?
As for Sooper Dooper Pooper Scoopers, maybe the dog owners are on benefits with sore backs and can't Stoop t' Scoop, in which case ... I've found the answer.
The No-Stoop Poop Hoop. laugh.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiuHFgJM1BU&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: ashfield 10th Dec 2011, 02:30pm

I would bend over backwards for one of them tongue.gif (and if I had a dug of course)

Posted by: Samantha 10th Dec 2011, 08:07pm

Why should it be the fault of politicians when people throw litter or let their dogs foul in the streets? I don't see the logic in that all. Surely an individual makes that decision, not a politician?

Posted by: ross 10th Dec 2011, 09:21pm

Simple solution - take the dogs off of people who are not fit to keep them whether they let them s**t in the street, bark at night or are on the loose!

Posted by: benny 11th Dec 2011, 02:46am

Quote:
"There is a legal requirement for people to clean up after their dogs and that is what Clean Glasgow is enforcing. There is no law requiring riders to clean up manure left by their horses on public pathways.

Horses are vegetarian, so their manure does not present the same health risks as dog faeces."



Whit if it's a vegetarian dug - or a vegetarian human for that matter?

Posted by: tamhickey 11th Dec 2011, 09:05am

This is not merely stupid, but rather unenforceable. How many pooper snoopers will the council employ, and in which areas? If they work 9 till 5, how are they going to collate the figures when other dogs do their business after these hours? Are people then expected to phone up a hotline detailing where and when this occurred? If so, how very Nazi of them. Perhaps we should just call them the S.S. after springer spaniels. What happens if one tenant/former partner makes a malicious call, will this be taken at face value or given credence by the doggie enforcers? You see how silly this is? By all means inject some civic pride into our communities, but this idea would just make you really angry that this the best way of using council tax payers money as more and more staff are paid off during these times of austerity © D. Cameron.

Posted by: GG 11th Dec 2011, 10:39am

Tam, when I first started taking photographs in communities in Glasgow, around 15 years ago, lot of people would approach me and ask me why I was taking photographs. At that time, almost all of the people would be polite and were just being inquisitive. Once I had explained to them that it was to allow people to view places in the community on the Internet – especially for Glaswegians who now lived abroad, I could see how proud they were of their community and often they would tell me stories about the locale. It was, for instance, while talking to a man walking his dog in the Gorbals that I found out from an eye-witness about examples of the very sad demise of Benny Lynch.

Today, taking photographs in Glasgow communities is much different to just 15 years ago. People are now much more suspicious of photographers and, I have to say, there is more hostility. There are other factors, but I think there is now a much more heightened sense of suspicion, anxiety and hostility because people feel more watched than ever before, and also they are less welcoming of strangers in their community. I also see much fewer people walking the streets of Glasgow than just that short time ago.

No doubt, this dugshots initiative will make taking photographs in Glasgow even harder. As you say, it will likely do little to promote civic pride. Personally, I think people have to feel pride in their communities intrinsically, not have that pride forced on them by external threats.

GG.

Posted by: GG 11th Dec 2011, 11:35am

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 10th Dec 2011, 12:21pm) *
The streets in German towns and cities certainly do not overflow with litter, GG, but I'm starting to wonder how long that might last. ...

THH, Germany is an interesting country for social scientists to study: due to unification in 1990, it is a country which was once amongst the world's most equal is today slipping rapidly from Nordic levels of equality to now beginning to approach the OECD average. It's unsual to see these changes happen so rapidly in a developed country. If you believe the data interpretations made by these scientists, then what you are witnessing where you stay is a result of increased levels of income inequality feeding into the mindsets and behaviours of Germans of all classes. People have less pride in their communities, experience lower self-esteem, are more resentful, etc. ... and this isn't just in the poorer neighbourhoods, but across all income levels.

There are some interesting notes on Germany from the OECD study into inequality from this year:

http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/50/49/49177659.pdf

GG.

Posted by: youngsy 11th Dec 2011, 12:08pm

QUOTE (beth @ 9th Dec 2011, 04:08am) *
Youngsy, that is what I thought, a kid on, it is surely?

As someone who is originally from Drumchapel i would hope it's a wind up because if it's legit i would worry about the education of kids from the scheme if this is the level of intelligence being applied to the local community by local council representatives.

Posted by: Rabbie 11th Dec 2011, 01:14pm

QUOTE (GG @ 11th Dec 2011, 09:58am) *
Today, taking photographs in Glasgow communities is much different to just 15 years ago. People are now much more suspicious of photographers and, I have to say, there is more hostility. There are other factors, but I think there is now a much more heightened sense of suspicion, anxiety and hostility because people feel more watched than ever before, and also they are less welcoming of strangers in their community. I also see much fewer people walking the streets of Glasgow than just that short time ago.
GG.

Aye Martin as ye ken this is just not a unique happening in Glasgea. In many places CCTV's are now installed in lavvies. Albiet not actually in the lassies cubby holes, yet! Give the PC pervy society haulf a chance, a piccie of yer erse will available, for the Publics' delectation on Farcebook. Mind ye in some repects that may well just be a drastic improvement on some fowks coupons. laugh.gif

We are endlessly force feed the stock and jaded excuse that CCTV's are here for our own good and security. Does there not come a point when this, lets face it this surveillance under the guise of security becomes intrusive? In many instances I would submit that it does, the alarm bells should be peeling loud and clear. Perhaps it is time to legislate, more money for the corporate legal beagles as they have been hit hard by the financial doonturn. Awe..

I would put it to the honourable membership that it is jolly high time that the installlation of CCTV was subjected to some form of regulation. Furthermore, whilst on me soap boax that thier installation is drastically reduced to say; building interiors, shops or where thier use is essential for safety. Furthermore, any data recorded / stored is automatically, permenantly and irrecoverably destroyed after 24 hours.

Putting it in layman terms, if one cannot apprehend a juvenile in the act of purloining confectioneries, surely the instance has returned to were we should be more reliant on the good auld fashioned Mk 1. eyeball and for the return of the "Watchie." Do retailers not employ "security guards" to deter innocent fowks from recreational photography of thier own offspring? Perhaps these individuals could be better employed, whitewaashing coal bunkers and the ones that manage these bonehieds sent to the uranium mines in the utter hebrides.

I feel that some people are indeed beginning to react to intrusive surveillance in a negative fashion, no doubt the ned fraternity dissapprove strongly, quite rightly too. Of course the PC winkers dribble on that if you have nothing to hide or are doing nothing illegal that there is nothing to be concerned with. Well I disagree with PC in all it's ugly forms and guises even if was "correct".

The trouble with PC, is that it is here in the UK.

Way back in the day, not so long ago, when Tommy was an auld man perhaps many of oor senior members recall sections of Glasgow you would just not only be welcome in, if you crossed the threshhold you wid get yer hied on yer haunds to play with. Perhaps these days just being unwelcome is a vast improvement. Back then dug poo was a problem too and ye had to be lucky not to step in it, that was just in Comfy Cardieland, Bearsden.

Right noo, where wus ah. Aye that brings us back tae potlickers.

The whole idea of dug photies tae reduce fouling is absurd beyond belief. Perhaps education and gentle encouragement like rubbing the owners nose in it would reduce these instances. I have a sneaky wee inkling that behind this looney tune incentive is a financially and mentally challenged cooncil desperate to generate income in the form of issuing parking tickets for dug joabbies

Dugs and dug owners! We are noo onto ye, yer coupons huv been swaged and ur noo stored in oor Database.



Lets hope in the interests of all things PC that the duggie database does not get mixed up wi' The Honourable Cooncilers' pron stache.

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 11th Dec 2011, 01:33pm

GG, very interesting item from the OECD. What a lot of people outside of Germany don't realise is that the re-unification brought with it an awful lot of resentment; on both sides. I was one who cheered when the wall was opened; by nature I'm against barriers, but Mary said back then; "Just you wait and see what this will cost us (in the West)."
West Germans were always a hard working and serious minded people; they'd be at their work place and ready to start 10 minutes before time. East Germans were guaranteed work even when there was practically no work for them which created an easy-ohsey attitude to work. Those from the East who came into the West were taken by surprise at the workpace expected and although the money was far better amenities were much dearer and the work life more stressful. Meanwhile, to get the East back onto it's commercial feet required billions of West tax money to be poured into East Germany plus the additional requirement of "Solidarity" deductions from each and every West wage packet (I used to have between DM200 and DM300 monthly; 100 pounds +/-, "Solidarity" deductions) which, to this day, Mary and the rest of the west still have to fork out.( but in €'s of the same quantity rolleyes.gif)
East German qualifications were not recognised in the West so people from the East were down-graded to a greater extent and had to retrain to achieve equal qualification while earning less than their Western counterparts.
It really was a unification of two completely different mindsets and resentment was built-in from the start.
The West Germans resented the influx of a people who expected everything to be handed to them on a plate and the East Germans resented being treated like the poor relatives who had to prove themselves by starting at the bottom of the ladder.
22 years later?
22 years later we have a generation of "Ossies" (Easterners) who just happen to be born in the west.
To top it all there was the, seeming, lack of pride in one's surroundings; borne out by the polution left behind when the Soviets pulled out.
It really will take a long time before equality raises it's pretty head in Unified Germany.
Makes you wonder what will happen to the "Solidarity" deductions; a lot of money to stop rakin' in. biggrin.gif

Posted by: GG 11th Dec 2011, 09:07pm

QUOTE (GG @ 9th Dec 2011, 10:17pm) *
A council spokesman responded to the complaint: "Horses are vegetarian, so their manure does not present the same health risks as dog faeces."

Well saying the council spokesman didn't catch these two police horses waiting outside the 'Best Kebab' shop while their handlers went inside to get them a wee Donner! I took this earlier this year in Dundas Street ... and yes, it is ... bottom right!


GG.

Posted by: GG 11th Dec 2011, 09:34pm

QUOTE (Rabbie @ 11th Dec 2011, 12:33pm) *
... I would put it to the honourable membership that it is jolly high time that the installlation of CCTV was subjected to some form of regulation. Furthermore, whilst on me soap boax that thier installation is drastically reduced to say; building interiors, shops or where thier use is essential for safety. Furthermore, any data recorded / stored is automatically, permenantly and irrecoverably destroyed after 24 hours. ...

Rabbie, I'd agree with you; it's time to get this sorted out with some kind of regulation. There are so many CCTV cameras in Glasgow that it is ridiculous, especially as there is little or no evidence that they actually cut crime. The problem is that having so many undermines their effectiveness, as well as perceptions of their effectiveness amongst the general public. Time for some intelligent thinking rather than a blanket policy that just is not working. Time to revise best practise and make sure resources are targeted effectively.

Funnily enough (or maybe not!), a Scotsman article yesterday reported that Scotland is one of the most "surveillance-heavy" countries in the world after the number of public spy cameras doubled in this country in recent years. And guess where in Scotland you can find most cameras? Yes, it's the Dear Screen Place!

Scotland ‘one of world CCTV capitals’
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scotland_one_of_world_cctv_capitals_1_2001672

GG.

Posted by: GG 11th Dec 2011, 09:47pm

QUOTE (youngsy @ 11th Dec 2011, 11:27am) *
As someone who is originally from Drumchapel i would hope it's a wind up because if it's legit i would worry about the education of kids from the scheme if this is the level of intelligence being applied to the local community by local council representatives.

It's no joke, youngsy. On the bright side, "kids from the scheme" have had nothing to do with this policy, as they have absolutely nothing to do with any policies which affect Glaswegians.

Kids from the scheme are excluded from major decision-making in Glasgow by virtue of the shocking teaching they have to endure. Very few kids get to university, and even the few who do get to a decent uni are highly unlikely to be appointed to senior jobs in Glasgow's huge poverty industry network. The head of Drumchapel housing is a perfect example of how middle-class professionals from across the UK (and beyond) flock to Glasgow to get jobs at the expense of ordinary Glaswegians. This happens even though Glaswegians who grew up in the city, and thus understand the endemic nature of the problems, might actually be better placed to develop and implement effective solutions.

GG.

Posted by: Lindsay 11th Dec 2011, 10:58pm

I can't believe that you said in your original post that the council cleans up 10 tons of dog dirt each and every day! Surely this is an obvious mistake as I have never seen the council picking up or cleaning up after dogs - perhaps they do this without any one noticing that it is taking place?

I'd be interested in your response.

Posted by: droschke7 12th Dec 2011, 12:42am

I don't know about Vegatarian Crap being better or more biodegradable than that of non Veggies, but one of my neighbours is a veggie and when she passes wind she can clear a bus in seconds.

Posted by: GG 12th Dec 2011, 11:29pm

QUOTE (Lindsay @ 11th Dec 2011, 10:17pm) *
I can't believe that you said in your original post that the council cleans up 10 tons of dog dirt each and every day! Surely this is an obvious mistake as I have never seen the council picking up or cleaning up after dogs - perhaps they do this without any one noticing that it is taking place?

I'd be interested in your response.

Hi Lindsay, to be fair to me – before I respond – I'd just like to say that this figure was taken from the Evening Times article covering the same story. That figure has also been used in related stories in the Herald and the Sun in recent months, so I can only surmise that the figure originates from an official source. Having now done a wee bit of research the figure, I have to agree with you that the figure of 10 tons of dog mess being cleared by the council clears every day in Glasgow is quite clearly not accurate.

I have found several sources which give the total mess deposited by dogs on the streets of the UK to be a maximum of 1000 tons. If we assume that Glasgow has 1% of UK dogs (it has just less than 1% of the people), then the 10 tons of dog mess is actually the total figure attributable to city dogs, not the amount cleared by the council. I think we would be lucky if the council cleared 1%!

(Apologies... I know it is not the most pleasant of topics!)

GG.

Posted by: ashfield 13th Dec 2011, 08:44am

QUOTE (GG @ 12th Dec 2011, 11:48pm) *
(Apologies... I know it is not the most pleasant of topics!)
GG.

I know GG, I feel the same about statistics laugh.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 13th Dec 2011, 01:07pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 13th Dec 2011, 08:03am) *
I know GG, I feel the same about statistics laugh.gif

It's down to maths.
If your average dog-log weighed in at 100 grams and your average dog produced 2 logs daily then 5 dogs would be responsible for a Kilo of canine crap per day.
5,000 mutts make a ton of muck.
Is there 50,000 terriers in the toon?
(Figures may vary - I'm working on metric tonnes tongue.gif biggrin.gif )

Posted by: zascot 13th Dec 2011, 01:16pm

TeeHeeHee tried to verify your calculations a bit more scientifically without using estimates, should have wore gloves. biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 13th Dec 2011, 10:30pm

laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: andyguinness 14th Dec 2011, 02:09pm

Only if the person who owns the dog agrees.

Posted by: Alex MacPhee 14th Dec 2011, 04:19pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 13th Dec 2011, 10:49pm) *
Wait a minute ... I've got my eye on a burd.

One slight adjustment, and you've got the motto of the Council pooper-snooper...

Posted by: Rab 14th Dec 2011, 05:02pm

Q.What do you call a dog that goes 'WOOF-WOOF- BANG' then dumps?



A. A terrierist.

Posted by: Scotsman 14th Dec 2011, 05:59pm

I was thinking that as well Andy because dont the dogs have some kind of rights to stop these dodgy doggy snappers lurking in the bushes and taking photos of them while they go about their business??

Posted by: GG 18th Dec 2011, 01:55pm

QUOTE (angel @ 8th Dec 2011, 11:55pm) *
A better chance of getting the 40pounds fine from the dogs .!

Angel, according to the council, they are going to launch a crackdown with what they refer to as a "hardest-hitting", much heavier hand" campaign, including the use of CCTV images and witness statements:

QUOTE
"We will chase payment from people who are fined; we will impound dogs if they are not under proper care and control, and we will use every tool in the box to confront persistent offenders.

Ultimately, that will mean going to court to argue that some people are just not fit to look after an animal – and to put their dog into a better home where it will be properly cared for."

We shall wait and see if this delivers effective results, or whether it simply fizzles outafter the initial media attention (like the promise to tackle lunchtime litter around schools).

GG.

Posted by: GG 18th Dec 2011, 02:15pm

QUOTE (Alex MacPhee @ 9th Dec 2011, 01:01am) *
It presumably hasn't dawned on them that a dog-walker who uses a hat and scarf to mask his identity while roaming the roads with Rover, will be savvy enough to put a hat and scarf on the dug too, and keep them both incognito while pooch paces the pavements for a place to pee and poo.

I agree, Alex. If people are thinking about this to the extent that they are taking action and precautions to avoid detection, then surely this is a prime example where people need to be educated and attitudes changed. Obviously, regardless of the fact that Glasgow has the most CCTV cameras in the country, and despite the council's best efforts to the contrary, Glaswegians simply cannot be filmed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

If dog mess is such a serious problem as we are led to believe, then surely education holds the only effective key for lasting improvement? Instead, the council has opted for a disciplinarian approach, using words of violence to try and cower Glaswegians into compliance: "hardest-hitting", "crack down", "heavy hand", "people hate dog fouling", "turn that on its head", etc..

http://www.glasgow.gov.uk/en/Residents/CleanGlasgow/LatestNews/KSB+Dog+Fouling.htm

GG.

Posted by: pumps100 18th Dec 2011, 03:32pm

I've got two dogs and would not go anywhere without nappy-sac's to bag up the poo. I live in a rural area but sometimes question how we are conditioned into thinking about dog fouling. For example in many of the bridle paths which we take the dogs horses use these as well. Mounds of excretia from them but that's OK, they're horses.

And what about Canada Geese? If you get a flock of them landing in your village green or park the whole place is out-of-bounds for everyone as they foul very badly especially as they are usually mob-handed. A golf course I play is blighted by them - it is impossible not to step on it.

Some people do take matters into their own hands.

http://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/530627/Golfer_039acted_lawfully039_after_shooting_goose_on_fairway.html

Regards

Ian

Posted by: Guest 18th Dec 2011, 04:47pm

QUOTE (GG @ 18th Dec 2011, 01:34pm) *
If dog mess is such a serious problem as we are led to believe,

Any initiatives to address the serious matter of dog fouling in our housing schemes, whether they are promoted by local housing authorities or by Glasgow City Council, deserve the support of all Glaswegians if we are to tackle this nuisance.

Posted by: Scotsman 19th Dec 2011, 01:29am

Guest can you make your mind up.... is dog fouling really a serious matter in our housing schemes or is it really just a nuisance?? Come on please.... I would say that it is important that you make up your mind here on this matter before suggesting whether I deserve to support it or not!!

Posted by: mlconnelly 19th Dec 2011, 12:28pm

Scotman, its becoming a very serious matter where I live. There seems to be a new dog in the area, a boxer, thats leaving calling cards all over the place. Mary

Posted by: zascot 19th Dec 2011, 12:44pm

QUOTE (pumps100 @ 18th Dec 2011, 03:51pm) *
And what about Canada Geese? If you get a flock of them landing in your village green or park the whole place is out-of-bounds for everyone as they foul very badly especially as they are usually mob-handed. A golf course I play is blighted by them - it is impossible not to step on it.

Some people do take matters into their own hands.

What matter do they take into their hands? Dog Poo lol biggrin.gif Or more simply"whits the matter"

Posted by: zascot 19th Dec 2011, 12:46pm

We`ve got elephants here. You would need to follow them with a truck and front end loader. wink.gif

Posted by: Scotsman 19th Dec 2011, 01:47pm

QUOTE (mlconnelly @ 19th Dec 2011, 11:47am) *
Scotman, its becoming a very serious matter where I live. There seems to be a new dog in the area, a boxer, thats leaving calling cards all over the place. Mary

Thanks Mary.... I know what you are saying here and I would agree that it is a nuisance and something needs to be done if this nuisance is effecting peoples quality of life but the point I was making is that maybe its not the worst thing we face in life. And also it is something we could fix if we took the right approach to it. What I mean is that there are other things like homelessness that deserve more attention than doggy poo.

Posted by: pumps100 19th Dec 2011, 02:11pm

QUOTE (zascot @ 19th Dec 2011, 01:03pm) *
What matter do they take into their hands? Dog Poo lol biggrin.gif Or more simply"whits the matter"

Sorry you might have missed the point. Some people take matters into their own hands and shoot the geese.

Regards

Ian

Posted by: Scotsman 19th Dec 2011, 02:34pm

Ha-ha.... might be better if you dinnae go giving ideas to the Glesga Neds or to the Glesga Cooncil for that matter!!

BTW.... who removes the decaying carcasses?? Surely that is a bigger health hazard than the poo!!

Posted by: zascot 20th Dec 2011, 08:16am

I give up.

Posted by: droschke7 20th Dec 2011, 01:10pm

If you get caught drunk driving well over the limit, they will take and crush your car. Crushed dogs anyone?

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 20th Dec 2011, 01:21pm

Just Wok the dogs. laugh.gif

Posted by: Rabbie 20th Dec 2011, 03:43pm

QUOTE (TeeHeeHee @ 20th Dec 2011, 12:40pm) *
Just Wok the dogs. laugh.gif

I see a chink in that arguement...

Posted by: Scotsman 20th Dec 2011, 05:22pm

QUOTE (droschke7 @ 20th Dec 2011, 12:29pm) *
If you get caught drunk driving well over the limit, they will take and crush your car. Crushed dogs anyone?

I think thats the next thing down the line as probably someone has done a survey and its came back that tourists and posh people in general dont like dogs. So they will start a campaign that dogs themselves are a public nuisance and not just their poo.... then they can blame the owners and take them off them. Just another stick to hit poor people with!!

Posted by: GG 20th Dec 2011, 11:25pm

One of the biggest problems in Glasgow regarding dog mess seems to be (as shown below) the lack of suitable – or any available – bins where dog owners can dispose of dog dirt. Maybe if there were more bins, especially dedicated dog dirt bins, we could all try to keep Glasgow more beautiful?

GG.


 

Posted by: TeeHeeHee 21st Dec 2011, 09:27am

I'm not joking when I say this, there seems to be more litter bins on the side of our local mountain than there is in Glasgow and I see them being emptied at the start of every week. Every where you find a bench seat (and there are lots because of the various views and steep paths) you'll find one or more. When you consider how few people actually go up there in the course of a week it says a lot for a caring council.

Posted by: GG 22nd Dec 2011, 08:09am

THH, there's no doubt that there is a significant shortage of certain types of bins on the streets of Glasgow today. In the city centre there is a real shortage of 'cigarette bins'; while in residential neighbourhoods I hardly ever see dedicated 'dog dirt' bins. The number of ordinary litter bins has increased in Glasgow over the last few years but, as you say, there is an issue with how quickly they are emptied.

That said, according to Clean Glasgow:

QUOTE
... Glasgow’s final score [in a Keep Scotland Beautiful survey] for 2010/11 was 70/100 – its highest ever and within touching distance of the Scottish average. Just ten years ago, the city’s rating was a lowly 47. ...

Although, it has to be said also, that the survey results are based on a random selection of a small number of streets, so it is not a comprehensive or rigorous method, but may provide a helpful indicator.

GG.

Posted by: GG 22nd Dec 2011, 08:15am

... the same report had this to say:

QUOTE
4.1 Dog fouling

The impact from dog fouling on the streets of Scotland has remained similar since last year, affecting 6.9% of sites visited. The majority of
dog fouling was found to be minor
(one or two small incidents along the transect), only 0.2% of streets monitored nationally recording either
a significant or severe presence.

The statistics suggest that over winter, the presence of dog fouling was more prevalent, with over one in ten transects during the December audits over the last two audit years recording an incident. It appears that auditing soon after a thaw from snow coverage, during which faecal matter will be hidden, is the main reason behind this spike in presence.

GG.

Posted by: Rab 22nd Dec 2011, 06:45pm

Just catching up on this topic this minute and the wife's just called out that Smartie (elderly Jack Russell) has 'left me a deposit' on the slab outside my workshop door and to be careful when I went out in the dark!! Ye couldnae make it up! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: pumps100 22nd Dec 2011, 07:07pm

QUOTE (Rab @ 22nd Dec 2011, 07:04pm) *
Just catching up on this topic this minute and the wife's just called out that Smartie (elderly Jack Russell) has 'left me a deposit' on the slab outside my workshop door and to be careful when I went out in the dark!! Ye couldnae make it up! rolleyes.gif

Rab,

We're just back from extended shopping and Belle our Jack Russell has fouled (a pee) the kitchen floor. She is only eight months. Floor needed a wash for Christmas anyway - but is this a Council matter?

Regards

Ian

Posted by: ashfield 22nd Dec 2011, 07:29pm

QUOTE
is the main reason behind this spike in presence.


Is that no' the bulldug in Tom n' Jerry tongue.gif

Posted by: bilbo.s 22nd Dec 2011, 07:36pm

QUOTE (ashfield @ 22nd Dec 2011, 07:48pm) *
Is that no' the bulldug in Tom n' Jerry tongue.gif



Well spotted ! At´s ma boy !! laugh.gif

Posted by: ashfield 22nd Dec 2011, 07:56pm

QUOTE (bilbo.s @ 22nd Dec 2011, 07:55pm) *
Well spotted ! At's ma boy !! laugh.gif


Aye, an' "That's all folks" laugh.gif

Posted by: Rab 23rd Dec 2011, 03:35pm


Posted by: GG 10th Jan 2012, 08:50am

More (photo) evidence today that a bigger in Glasgow than owners not picking up after their dogs, is the council's inability to provide bins where responsible dog owners can 'bin it' after 'bagging it'.

Of course, the story pays no attention to what the photographer uncovered, apparently in the Springburn area of Glasgow!

Flush out the ‘dirty dogs’ who won’t clean up!
http://www.kirkintilloch-herald.co.uk/news/local-headlines/flush_out_the_dirty_dogs_who_won_t_clean_up_1_2045374

GG.

Posted by: GG 18th Jan 2012, 10:37pm

Looks like the photographing of dogs hasn't worked quite as expected. Today's Evening Times reported that public concern about dogs fouling the city street has rocketed from 48% to 80%.

On the [ahem] bright side, 81% of Glaswegians questioned in the Glasgow survey were “very” or “fairly” satisfied with street lighting!

GG.

Posted by: wombat 21st Jan 2012, 11:39pm

rolleyes.gif


 

Posted by: proudmaryhiller 22nd Jan 2012, 11:43pm

I always pick up after my dog, it's absolutely disgusting. Would you believe, once I was picking up, and did not realise I had stood in some of it...another pooch's!

Posted by: derick2 1st May 2012, 03:32am

It's not the dogs fault! Here in OZ councils provide plastic bags to pick up doggy doo. It's easy. You just tie a bag to the lead. Certainly owners should be penalised.

Posted by: beth 1st May 2012, 10:03am

Yes I was amazed at that in Aus. Everywhere you go wee poles with Dog Pooh packets. I even brought a couple home to let folk see them. also appreciated dog beaches, and they were clean.

Posted by: mlconnelly 1st May 2012, 10:54am

I live in the Queens Cross area and I know Queens Cross Housing supply poop scoops to local residents free of charge. If someone is reported to them for dog fouling, that person will be sent a warning letter and may also get a visit from the local housing officers and again will be offer a poop scoop. Mary

Posted by: Scotsman 1st Jun 2012, 10:28am

Just saw the headlines in the Evening Times at the shops and it said that someone had been taken to court over doggie dirt and had been fined 160.... reminded me of this story and I take it its the same.

Will read the online story later and and update.

Posted by: GG 2nd Jun 2012, 07:34am

Yes, Scotsman, that was a consequence of the council policy which is the subject of this topic.

Apparently, an unidentified man from the city's East End was issued with a fixed penalty notice after he allegedly refused to pick up dog dirt. He then refused to pay the 40 penalty, and was reported to the procurator-fiscal. When he appeared in court, he was fined 100 and will still have to pay the fixed penalty fine, which goes up to 60 if not paid within 28 days.

According to the Herald today, without providing any evidence to support the claim, of course, "dog fouling was one of the top issues raised by city residents during the recent city council election campaign".

GG.


Posted by: Doug1 12th Jul 2012, 03:14pm

Ah think all dogs should be micro chipped, there should be dog licences, dogs should be banned from all parks and finally dog owners should also be micro chipped...........in my dreams yes.gif

You'll probably gather ahm no a great doggie lover sad.gif

Posted by: Heather 13th Jul 2012, 09:05pm

Where I live is a small Estate with all bought house's, semi detached and detached. Beside our house is a spare ground with tree's and bushes and the Council cut the grass every month. The dog owners who live in this area come up to the spare ground to walk their dogs and I have never seen any of them clean up their dogs.

A couple of years ago I asked the Council to put a ' No Dogs' notice up. A couple of Workmen came out with a paper notice they pasted on to the back fence which the dog walkers ignored and after a few months the notice was washed off with the rain.

Posted by: GG 13th Jul 2012, 09:27pm

It seems to be happening all over the place , Heather.

I've always believed that the root cause to this problem, and many others, is an inability/unwillingness of a lot of people to behave responsibly, as part of a community of shared resources that relies on each other thinking about the needs and rights of everyone else in the community. To a much larger extent than today, we had this once in many Glasgow communities. IMO, it's been lost in the crass individualism and consumerism which today dominates much of the culture in society.

Put simply, many people are prone to think only about themselves!

GG.

Posted by: Heather 13th Jul 2012, 09:45pm

Some children used to play on that grassy area, but I never allowed my g'children to play there in case they fell over and goodness knows what muck they would be covered in, especially if they got on their face.

Posted by: angel 13th Jul 2012, 11:54pm

While I was outside this morning , keeping my sidewalk clean and picking up any litter left on the outside of my fencing I had to pickup two small bags of dog waste . I guess the dog owner , thinks , she/he is being very thougtful , making it easier for me to clean up their dog waste , on my property .

A sign of things to come ! ...Probably angry.gif
http://youtu.be/d99qyB6TzlI

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Jul 2012, 09:08am

QUOTE (angel @ 14th Jul 2012, 01:09am) *
I had to pickup two small bags of dog waste . I guess the dog owner , thinks , she/he is being very thougtful , making it easier for me to clean up their dog waste , on my property .

A sign of things to come ! ...Probably angry.gif
http://youtu.be/d99qyB6TzlI

I have seen bags of dog dirt on beaches Angel, what's the point angry.gif

Posted by: Heather 14th Jul 2012, 10:20am

The point is Jag, the dog owner should have taken the dirty dog bags away her/himself, not left them for someone else to clear away. angry.gif

Posted by: angel 14th Jul 2012, 12:37pm

QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 14th Jul 2012, 09:23am) *
I have seen bags of dog dirt on beaches Angel, what's the point angry.gif

My point being , That dog owners pick up their dog waste and either take it back to their own homes and dispose of it or find a waste container. Don't expect other's to clean up your dogs waste .

I don't happen to live in a pigen nor do I live on a beach , or for that matter any public area . this is my house /home and my private domain . " and that is my point ".

Posted by: JAGZ1876 14th Jul 2012, 06:31pm

Perhaps my grammar isn't up to scratch , but what i meant was, what is the point of dog owners bagging their dogs mess then leaving the bag for someone else to dispose of.

I'm on your side Angel/Heather.

Posted by: petunia 14th Jul 2012, 07:15pm

I agree not all dog owners in cities clean up after their dogs so all dog owners are labelled alike which is not how it should be as I know of lots of people who never walk their dogs without at least 3 bags to lift up after their dog does its business. People who do not pick up should be reported and fined, there are enough cameras out there to know who is doing it.
I have 2 dogs and live in a rural area where people don't pick up but the only complaints would come from the coyotes, foxes etc.
As for beaches PEOPLE leave all sorts of trash there when they leave which ends up in the water, coffe cups, water bottles whatever, they also throw coffee cups, cans, bottles etc. into the ditches and peoples yards including mine which I have to pick up so it isn't only dogs owners, if people are pigs they are pigs.

Posted by: Lobby Dosser 23rd Jul 2012, 02:51am

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 12th Jul 2012, 04:29pm) *
Ah think all dogs should be micro chipped, there should be dog licences, dogs should be banned from all parks and finally dog owners should also be micro chipped...........in my dreams yes.gif

You'll probably gather ahm no a great doggie lover sad.gif

You are beating "yir heid against" the proverbial brick wa' when dealing with the irrationality of all pet dog owners. Points according to them: 1. Their dog loves them unconditionaly. (no one else does). 2. Their dogs are persons. 3. Intellegent. 4. Better company than human beings. 5. And will always remain loving true and faithfull, making no emotional demands on their deplete reserves of human empathy.

Posted by: carmella 23rd Jul 2012, 01:04pm

Doug1

Micro Chip only works if the dog is lost, stolen and then found, but it has to be found in the first place. I would micro chip all non dog owners.

Lobby Dosser

Well said Lobby Dosser you took the words out of my mouth, only thing missing in your reply is that you are wrong in some of your perceptions, and spoken like someone who has never owned a dog, or someone who has had one single bad experience with one. Otherwise you have no idea what you're missing. Give me a room full of dogs rather than a room full of insincere friends, with nothing and non-one's interests in mind other than their own, any day. There is an old saying, 'never judge a man until you have walked in his shoes'. Don't judge a dog owner, until you've owned a dog.

Incidentally, I don't have a sad life, quite the reverse. I have a very full and rich life, I am also not an irrational person, and I could say the same about my friends who have dogs, but the ones who don't have dogs, well that's another story (or cats for that matter). I feel sorry for them. In fact, they have a cold side to their nature.

Be careful before your start to generalize and tell us your perceptions of pet owners.

The truth of the matter is that when you take a dog for a walk to a park, or to the shore, you (the owner) clean up after your dog - this has always been the case with responsible dog owners. The ones you have all mentioned here are not responsible dog owners, and worse still, owners who don't care about their neighbours' environments or their own. There are plenty of plastic bags, there are even scoops you can use to pick up without feeling what you're picking up for the more sensative souls around, readily available in pet shops.

If people choose not to use them, by all means fine them. Unfortunately, in areas where they won't pay the fine, at the end of the day it's you and I who pay the fine for them, or they pay in weekly instalments.

I see absolutely no reason why dog owners should be prevented from walking their dogs in public parks, or through wooded areas, or at the sand on the beach - none whatsoever. Therefore, I disagree with most of what has been said.

Incidentally, I'm not concerned with what happens in the States or Canada only right home here in Scotland, as I have no idea what laws are in place for fouling in the States or Canada.

One thing I do think, however, and have always thought is that all dogs should be on a leash and not roaming around. My main reason for this is that you control your own dog better, and if the dog gets distracted it cannot then run across traffic and be killed - I often see people out with their dogs and my heart's in my mouth, because if the dog gets distracted it will be off without a fear for its own safety.

Posted by: petunia 24th Jul 2012, 12:40am

Well said Carmella.
The laws are the same in Canada for dogs, pick up after them in all public places or you can be fined and they have to be leashed at all times when out walking which is as you pointed out a safety issue for humans as well as the animals.
What about working dogs Lobby Dosser do you have the same dislike for all these dogs that help the blind, hearing impaired, farmers, soldiers as you seem to for peoples pets which in my opinion are more faithful and yes loving than a lot of people which you scoff at.



Posted by: Rabbie 24th Jul 2012, 12:57am

QUOTE (carmella @ 23rd Jul 2012, 02:19pm) *
Doug1

Micro Chip only works if the dog is lost, stolen and then found, but it has to be found in the first place. I would micro chip all non dog owners.

Auntie Cam,

Oh, you have been absent on parade for way too long. Yer are awarded 3 days of pan bashing in the Officers Mess, bad grll!

Wanna go walkies up the Goat Fell, or a pushbike ride around Arran, taking in every wee Inn *grins.*

Lovely to see you posting again, really missed your eclectic, yet soldering eloquence.

Rabbie x

Posted by: carmella 24th Jul 2012, 07:48pm

Rabbie, I hope all is well with you on a serious note, and that you've been able to get back to normal.

Now funnily enough, when I saw this thread I thought 'no huvvin this' LOL and you couldn't have picked a better place for me to do my punishment, cos you all know Arran's my favourite place - of course, it goes without saying, that as I climb them there hills, and wander back doon through the Glen of Rosa, I'll have my trusty wee dug alongside me. I used to have 3 wee dugs, but my wee old fellas died last year and I still miss them for their character, but this wee Bertie I have now is game for anything, he's only a wee thing but I don't think anyone has told him that, he thinks he's huge.

Nice to be back, I don't have as much time as I used to have, and have also been ill, but I'll get back in as often as I can - just to stir things up a wee bit mind you, you don't need me here to shake things up LOL

Posted by: Lobby Dosser 30th Jul 2012, 03:51am

QUOTE (carmella @ 23rd Jul 2012, 02:19pm) *
Lobby Dosser

Well said Lobby Dosser you took the words out of my mouth, only thing missing in your reply is that you are wrong in some of your perceptions, and spoken like someone who has never owned a dog, or someone who has had one single bad experience with one. Otherwise you have no idea what you're missing. Give me a room full of dogs rather than a room full of insincere friends, with nothing and non-one's interests in mind other than their own, any day. There is an old saying, 'never judge a man until you have walked in his shoes'. Don't judge a dog owner, until you've owned a dog.

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My point is and always will be that there are those in society who can more easily come to terms with undemanding canine companionship than that of human beings no matter how flawed. Remember the old saying, "Itlians beat their dogs and love their children. The british love their dogs and beat their children". No dog is worth the least and most flawed life of any human being.

The American commedian Dick Gregory once made the point that he could stop the Vietnam war immediatley by with drawing all the young soldiers and replacing them with dogs. The outcry from dog owners would have stopped the killings on the spot . 55000 American kids died. Humanity???

Posted by: Doug1 30th Jul 2012, 07:31pm

Ref #124 Lobby Dosser "No dog is worth the least and most flawed life of any human being"

I go along with most of what you say except for the above sentence. Are you saying a dog is more valuable than that of some disgusting pervert who has just brutally murdered a little child and shows not the slightest signs of remorse ?

Posted by: Lobby Dosser 30th Jul 2012, 11:52pm

QUOTE (Doug1 @ 30th Jul 2012, 08:46pm) *
Ref #124 Lobby Dosser "No dog is worth the least and most flawed life of any human being"

I go along with most of what you say except for the above sentence. Are you saying a dog is more valuable than that of some disgusting pervert who has just brutally murdered a little child and shows not the slightest signs of remorse ?

No, there are those who fall outside the parameters for being a human being. However; ethical dilema. You would not have much trouble destroying a dog that was mad but could you personally kill/execute a human being?

Posted by: carmella 30th Aug 2012, 02:38pm

I would love to know if Lobby Dosser has ever owned a dog?

Posted by: mitchell 3rd Sep 2012, 08:56am

He had probably one of those nodding dugs in the car. biggrin.gif

Posted by: GG 15th Jan 2016, 12:51am

Real payment rates are a joke ... just like the clueless politicians who impose the fines. Glasgow's politicians are using every opportunity to make ordinary people pay for the lifestyles that inept politicians have enjoyed for years.

QUOTE
Fines for dog owners who let their pet foul streets and parks are to be doubled.

The Scottish Parliament has increased the amount irresponsible owners will have to cough up from 40 to 80, in line with the penalty for littering.

The new level of fine will take effect from April after a public consultation found an “overwhelming majority” in favour of tougher action.

In the last two years 3500 fines were handed out in Glasgow for dog fouling worth 140,000 if they were all paid.

Government ministers have also pledged tougher action on non-payment of the fines.

The Scottish household Survey showed almost one third of people had experienced some kind of animal associated nuisance including dog fouling.

Paul Wheelhouse, community safety minister said: “Dog fouling is not only unpleasant, but also can pose potentially significant risks to health, particularly for children, and we’re very clear that dog owners who do not clear up after their dogs are breaking the law.

“We believe the increased penalty will act as a greater deterrent for people who do not take responsibility for their pets and clean up after them.”

GG.

Posted by: Billy Boil 15th Jan 2016, 01:45am

QUOTE (Lobby Dosser @ 30th Jul 2012, 03:59am) *
My point is and always will be that there are those in society who can more easily come to terms with undemanding canine companionship than that of human beings no matter how flawed. Remember the old saying, "Itlians beat their dogs and love their children. The british love their dogs and beat their children". No dog is worth the least and most flawed life of any human being.

The American commedian Dick Gregory once made the point that he could stop the Vietnam war immediatley by with drawing all the young soldiers and replacing them with dogs. The outcry from dog owners would have stopped the killings on the spot . 55000 American kids died. Humanity???

Seeking rationality among "doggy people" is like looking for compassion in the ranks of ISIS.

Posted by: *Petunia* 15th Jan 2016, 02:57am

As I have said before picking up after your dog should be a part of taking responsibility of having a dog in public parks sidewalks beaches etc carry doggy bags with you and pick it up and thow it in the garbage I have 2 dogs, I would say that Wheelhouse is an ass and doubling the fine is just another money grab.

Posted by: Betsy2009 15th Jan 2016, 10:47am

Sorry - don't understand the problem.
The value of the fine doesn't really matter.
It's just part of having a dog.
If it does its business - pick it up - no fine - easy!

Posted by: ashfield 15th Jan 2016, 03:01pm

Problem Betsy is that the fines are not a deterrent as most don't get paid. Dog fouling tends to cease for a little while when there's an active campaign on the go, but returns thereafter. Several streets, close to where we live, are regularly a nightmare with dog muck. We are also subjected to the new trend of jokers who pick up the mess in the wee black plastic bag and then either leave that on the ground or hang it up on railings, bushes, trees etc, rather than put it in the bins provided.

I favour the old remedy to cure the problem, rub their noses in it to make them stop. And I would give the dogs a telling off as well tongue.gif

Posted by: Betsy2009 15th Jan 2016, 04:30pm

Make the owners sit on a potty in the middle of the pavement?

Posted by: Betsy2009 15th Jan 2016, 04:31pm

No - I meant that I can't understand why owners can't just pick it up.

Posted by: petunia 16th Jan 2016, 01:05pm

I like your idea Ashfield. That is the problem there are TOO many irresponsible dog owners it only takes a minutes to pick it up these people would probably be the first to complain if they were walking on the sidewalk and stood on it in all their finery going out for an evening
I have two dogs that go A LOT

Posted by: GG 21st Jan 2016, 01:04am

QUOTE (Betsy2009 @ 15th Jan 2016, 10:55am) *
Sorry - don't understand the problem.
The value of the fine doesn't really matter.
It's just part of having a dog.
If it does its business - pick it up - no fine - easy!

Have a wee look at the photos in http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=32973, Betsy. As I explain in http://discuss.glasgowguide.co.uk/index.php?s=&showtopic=32973&view=findpost&p=3709965, the problem is NOT that dog owners don't pick up dog dirt, it is the fact that the council policy of not installing proper dog fouling bins so that the dog owners can properly dispose of the mess they do pick up.

Other councils installed proper dog dirt bins; our council bosses just couldn't be bothered, because they saw yet another money-spinning scheme that will keep them in the affluent manner they have become accustomed to living in.

GG.

Posted by: Betsy2009 21st Jan 2016, 10:55am

Sounds like it's a mix of both - people who don't pick up and no-where to put it if you do pick it up.

I have no sympathy for people who just don't pick up but I have taken the bags home and had to put them in my outside bin because there was no-where else to put it.

Perhaps if more people contacted the council when they saw a full bin it would help.
Perhaps if they were collected and 'disposed of' on the council steps it would help.
Perhaps if people asked for dog bins in a particular area it would help.

Have to be careful though in case the council simply bans all dogs. No drinking / no smoking / no dogs!

Posted by: Melody 22nd Jan 2016, 05:37pm

I thought that I'd heard it all until this morning:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35363991

What a load of .........!







Posted by: wombat 22nd Jan 2016, 07:10pm

QUOTE (Melody @ 22nd Jan 2016, 06:45pm) *
I thought that I'd heard it all until this morning:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-35363991

What a load of .........!


laugh.gif melody they're giving someone a job laugh.gif

Posted by: Melody 23rd Jan 2016, 09:20am

laugh.gif Wombat.

Mind ye on a very serious and scary point Wombat, it seems that humans are more bothered about picking up shit from the street than picking up human beings from the oceans.

Posted by: Talisman 1st May 2016, 08:03pm

QUOTE (carmella @ 30th Aug 2012, 02:46pm) *
I would love to know if Lobby Dosser has ever owned a dog?

Does it matter? Or is that a "put down. "I never had a dog" therefore I am not entitled to an opinion on dogs or those who regard them as other than animals?

Posted by: Betsy2009 1st May 2016, 10:22pm

I've often wondered why people with horses don't have to carry a bucket and spade!

Posted by: wombat 1st May 2016, 10:42pm

laugh.gif plenny of room in they johdpurs fer a few haunfies of horse doo doo laugh.gif