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> Glasgow To Lose Burrell Collection, Sir William Burrell's wishes to be discarded
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post 17th Sep 2013, 08:45pm
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Aye, right, Betsy. Now, would anyone like a nice cup of tea?


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post 17th Sep 2013, 08:50pm
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I wonder how much was paid to the architect who designed it. Surely he would also be responsible if the building leaked so early after completion? It's also true that if problems are left they will cost more to repair. What is wrong with them??????
When will councils be elected on the grounds of common sense?
Give an old fashioned housewife the budget and you'll see a huge improvement in managing the money.

Ha-ha, Rab! Not so sure about your last point, Betsy2009: wasn't that what Margaret Thatcher told the country before being elected in 1979? huh.gif

Here's an interesting extract from a Sunday Times article from March 1994 (yes, almost 20 years ago!). The absurdity of the last paragraph obviously was not to bode well for the council in remedying the situation!

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An internationally acclaimed collection of sculptures is under threat because of a leaking roof in the 20m building specially designed to house Scotland's most prestigious works of art.

Architects are examining the structure of Glasgow's Burrell Museum hailed as evidence of the city's cultural renaissance when it was opened by the Queen 11 years go after a Rodin sculpture was among a number of treasures damaged by seeping rain.

Urgent tests are being carried out on the piece, Eve After The Fall, to determine whether it has been permanently damaged after water dripped on it, leaving a white residue on the surface and possible corrosion below.

Tapestries and a number of other sculptures are also believed to have been affected. One room has had to be closed to the public.

Three other Rodins, as well as an Epstein and a Ming vase, have had to be covered with white canvas sheets. The source of the leak has proved elusive. Glasgow district council, which runs the museum, has spent thousands of pounds investigating possible causes.

''We have a team of specialists trying to find a solution,'' Chris Purslow, the council's chief architect, said. ''But we have been unable to identify where the problem is.''

Museum chiefs have tried to play down the scale of the damage. But angry staff have complained privately about the inability of the management to resolve the problem, saying the effects of the water will continue to damage important works unless the roof is repaired.

The collection, which includes works by Rembrandt, Manet and Cezanne, was given to the city by Sir William Burrell in 1944. The shipping magnate made his fortune in Victorian times when Glasgow was a trading port of international importance, buying art treasures as he travelled the world.

He made one condition when he left his legacy: that the works of man should be displayed amid the works of nature. It ruled out most buildings in the city, sparking a 39-year search for a suitable location. The collection was finally unpacked and housed in a mansion in the city's Pollok Park.

But nature is proving troublesome because of the building's design. Some experts believe that the choice of a flat stainless steel roof for the building was a mistake, because it is unable to deal with west Scotland's heavy rainfall.

Purslow said that ''the Norwegian design of the roof is unique to the United Kingdom and is built in a number of layers, which seem to drip intermittently. Until we can establish the cause, we can't put a figure on the cost of the remedy''.

As the rain keeps coming through, an urgent appeal has been made to the architect who designed the much-acclaimed building. Council officials have been trying to trace Barry Gasson to discover whether he has any suggestions on what can be done. But they have so far been unable to contact him.


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post 17th Sep 2013, 09:09pm
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... the next day, the Daily Record had the following colourful headline:

IT'S MINGIN! LEAKY ROOF CAUSES ART ATTACK AT THE BURRELL

Apparently ... a Ming vase was one of the objects at threat from ingress!

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post 17th Sep 2013, 09:15pm
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Aaaaaargh! Stupid, stupid men.
That was obviously the time to bit the bullet and put a new roof on - possible thousands rather than millions. Even a new building then would have been cheaper.
I had a $4.3 million budget to manage 58 buildings. They were a wide range of old victorian buildings right up to modern buildings but, of course, they weren't in the class (?) of the Burrell building.

Maggie had a point - she was just the wrong housewife. I mean a proper one who has had to make savings to survive not one who can't decide between a Rolls and a Bentley.

As for the architect - says it all. They certainly knew how to pick a good one, didn't they?
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post 17th Sep 2013, 11:50pm
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Interesting exchanges at the Scottish Parliament, at least they seem to be sitting up and taking notice of what's going on.

My jury is still out on this. Admittedly over the years a lot of money has been spent justifiably on upgrading the museum and art gallery and it would seem to have paid off, it's lovely out there and from the outside Kelvingrove looks so nice, as if it had just been built. I remember when i first saw it after all the work, how beautiful it looked, making me thing what a lovely sight it must have been when it had just been built, because what we see now is as close to its original appearance.

I hope the Scottish Parliament continue to ask questions about the size of the costs involved, and for future reference not to allow this sort of expenditure to take place again - at least not for the reasons given.


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post 18th Sep 2013, 12:02pm
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QUOTE (Talisman @ 16th Sep 2013, 12:41am) *
Please allow me to take you to task here for calling those responsible "IDIOTS". Idiots they are obviously not as they have succeeded where others have failed in robbing Glasgow of it's most prized cultural asset. There is no doubt also in my mind that there will be an element of private augmentation of funds finding their way into the pockets of these "Tribunes of the People".

Over here in Germany you can take court procedings against anyone who calls you an Idiot. It is so serious an insult that if you called a policeman an idiot he could arrest you on the spot ... no question asked.

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Etymology
Look up idiot in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

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Idiot as a word derived from the Greek ἰδιώτης, idiōtēs ("person lacking professional skill", "a private citizen", "individual"), from ἴδιος, idios ("private", "one's own").[1] In Latin the word idiota ("ordinary person, layman") preceded the Late Latin meaning "uneducated or ignorant person".[2] Its modern meaning and form dates back to Middle English around the year 1300, from the Old French idiote ("uneducated or ignorant person"). The related word idiocy dates to 1487 and may have been analogously modeled on the words prophet[3] and prophecy.[4][5] The word has cognates in many other languages.

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An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private—as opposed to public—affairs.
[6] Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education.[6] In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education (although citizenship was also largely hereditary). "Idiot" originally referred to "layman, person lacking professional skill", "person so mentally deficient as to be incapable of ordinary reasoning" Declining to take part in public life, such as democratic government of the polis (city state) was considered dishonorable.
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"Idiots" were seen as having bad judgment in public and political matters.
Over time, the term "idiot" shifted away from its original connotation of selfishness and came to refer to individuals with overall bad judgment–individuals who are "stupid". According to the Bauer-Danker Lexicon, the noun ίδιωτής in ancient Greek meant "civilian" (ref Josephus Bell 2 178), "private citizen" (ref sb 3924 9 25), "private soldier as opposed to officer," (Polybius 1.69), "relatively unskilled, not clever," (Herodotus 2,81 and 7 199).[7] The military connotation in Bauer's definition stems from the fact that ancient Greek armies in the time of total war mobilized all male citizens (to the age of 50) to fight, and many of these citizens tended to fight poorly and ignorantly.

In modern English usage, the terms "idiot" and "idiocy" describe an extreme folly or stupidity, and its symptoms (foolish or stupid utterance or deed).
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Which all goes to prove that those responsible for this fiasco really are idiots in the full meaning of the word. biggrin.gif


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post 18th Sep 2013, 12:08pm
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Then you can't be sued/arrested for telling the truth.
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post 18th Sep 2013, 12:24pm
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Well ... not outside of Germany anyway. rolleyes.gif


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post 18th Sep 2013, 12:41pm
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A possible solution could be the erection of a dome a la O2 in London which would entirely encompass the entire Burrell Complex.
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post 18th Sep 2013, 02:42pm
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..........or the City Chambers rolleyes.gif


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post 18th Sep 2013, 03:11pm
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Surely one of his descendants can get an injunction on these people?


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post 18th Sep 2013, 08:49pm
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How can there be talk about it when its clear that a man gave his lifes work to city that is now betraying his wishes with weasel words and politicians who could not lace the mans boots.

You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Pity he did not give his works to Edinburgh. At least we would have know how to treat it with respect.
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post 18th Sep 2013, 11:10pm
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I visited the Burrell Collection a few years ago and thought it was awesome. Hope to visit it again the next time I come home (I live in US). Not abiding by Sir William's wishes may deter future donations to Glasgow and Scotland.
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post 19th Sep 2013, 06:14am
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Hi Vascot, nice to see you posting after so long tongue.gif
Pity it had to be after Black John's Tale of Two Cities though.
I wonder if there is a strong point made there. Would the councillors in any other Scottish city be seen to stoop so low?


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post 19th Sep 2013, 06:33am
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QUOTE (wee davy @ 18th Sep 2013, 04:09pm) *
Surely one of his descendants can get an injunction on these people?

Wee Davy, I have not yet heard of any intervention by the family as yet. As far as I know, there are no direct descendants, as Sir William had only one child, Marion, who never married and had no children. Here's a bit of background on the man and his family, taken from a Herald article in May:

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Sir William was a withdrawn person and didn't want to be in the public eye he wanted the collection to be ad-mired, but he didn't really want to be admired himself.

Burrell was very unpretentious. He never tried to be anything other than an ordinary Glasgow businessman, albeit an unusually successful one.

Born in Glasgow in 1861, Sir William Burrell was the third of nine children. His family ran a shipping business, the industry in which he later made his fortune.

He bought his first painting for a few shillings in an auction as a 14-year-old, his father saying the money would have been better spent on a cricket bat.

Burrell had a canny knack for buying work early on before prices became too prohibitive, not least oil paintings by American artist James McNeill Whistler.

Over the years his collection grew to include rare and precious objects, including the matrimonial bed-head of King Henry VIII and Anne of Cleves.

He married Constance Mitchell, the daughter of another ship owner, in 1902. They had only one child, Marion.

In 1944, he donated his entire 9000-strong collection to the City of Glasgow with 250,000 to house it. The conditions included a request that it be displayed in a rural setting. A custom-build museum, the Burrell Collection, was finally opened in Pollok Country Park in 1983.

Burrell died at Hutton Castle in the Scottish Borders in 1958, aged 96.

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