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john.mcn
post 12th Jun 2017, 07:34am
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Thats the thing Kem, that cant be the Vow Jagz is taking about as its just a pledge that following a No there will be talks about power transfer. This not only happened with the Smith commission but the SNP voted for the legislation that came from the talks they were involved in, this is why I've been asking Jagz to post what vow he's talking about.

The only other reason that he and plenty of other SNP members have been going on about it is to try to change peoples memory to make them believe it happened the way they said it did and create more grievance, but dont take my word for it, take the SNP MP Martyn Day's word

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post 12th Jun 2017, 12:47pm
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QUOTE (Dykejumper @ 11th Jun 2017, 05:02pm) *
John, thats as near as a admittance he was wrong that you are going to get.


Wrong about what DJ?
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post 12th Jun 2017, 12:54pm
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QUOTE (Kemedian @ 11th Jun 2017, 11:58pm) *
I have literally just read 'The Vow' for the first time, and can't believe what all the fuss was about.

I don't want Brexit but it's happening and it won't be pleasant. I can only hope that it properly puts The 45 off the idea for good. agree.gif



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Remember it came about during the Purdah period which in itself was wrong.

It will have most of the 55 joining the 45 to escape as the union implodes in on itself. yes.gif
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post 12th Jun 2017, 01:21pm
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Purdah, schmurdah, they don't give a turdah! angry.gif


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post 12th Jun 2017, 06:56pm
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Maybe it was just their 'opinion' laugh.gif


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post 12th Jun 2017, 06:58pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 12th Jun 2017, 12:47pm) *
Wrong about what DJ?


|I would hazard a guess that you stating the vow (that you refused to post) was not fulfilled.


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post 13th Jun 2017, 10:50am
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 12th Jun 2017, 07:56pm) *
Maybe it was just their 'opinion' laugh.gif


Not only do you not know what the vow was but you don't know what the purdah period before an election or referendum is either. ohmy.gif
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post 13th Jun 2017, 10:58am
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 12th Jun 2017, 07:58pm) *
|I would hazard a guess that you stating the vow (that you refused to post) was not fulfilled.


Not just me, 91% of my fellow countrymen and women too.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/14899551...._has_been_kept/

You've had over three weeks to come up with the parts of the vow that have been delivered, it's not like you to be so shy.

Answering for Dykejumper now. laugh.gif
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post 13th Jun 2017, 07:07pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 13th Jun 2017, 10:58am) *
Not just me, 91% of my fellow countrymen and women too.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/14899551...._has_been_kept/

You've had over three weeks to come up with the parts of the vow that have been delivered, it's not like you to be so shy.

Answering for Dykejumper now.


Ok just for a moment lets just forget that you refused to post the vow for 3 weeks straight, lets forget that you asked me a question to divert attention from me asking for the vow, lets forget that I answered that question that day you asked, lets forget that 3 weeks after asking Kem did the job for you and everyone can see that the 'vow' was just meaningless talk of talking(which I said on the 15th September 2014), lets forget that I went through the posts and put the conversation all in one post so that people can see me calmly asking for you to post the vow for others to read, lets forget 3 weeks of you avoiding, diverting and posting old newspaper links instead of just fulfilling the simple request to back up your statement.. Now if we forget all that and look at your post then people might say 'ohh wow jagz has John on the ropes', but we cant forget about them can we, we cant forget that for 3 weeks you refused to post the vow and tried many times to divert. My point was just so that people could read the vow you were referring to and make up their own minds, yours was to lie and deceive and that is why you refused to back up your initial statement. If you had just done that then this would have been finished 3 weeks ago..

Now then, on to your link. First of all I would have thought that after me pointing out your previous link as 'out of date' as it was from 2015 which was prior to the Scotland act 2016 (hints in the name) might have made you think twice about posting more 'proof' from that year, but obviously not. wacko.gif
Now what is funny is that if you read the story,( I did but I dont think you did biggrin.gif ) you will see that it explains the Vow as being "conceived and drafted by journalists at the Daily Record,", now what is funny about that, well if it was the work of journalists then I'm not sure it falls under purdah. It was the work of journalist and posted on the front page of a newspaper.. Your link jagz so you must agree with it biggrin.gif
What is purdah though is the SNP announcing an £8.3 million investment to Glasgow 2 days before the council elections, thats different though isn't it because the SNP got the most seats

Anyway I'll humour it as seeing as its from the totally unbiased Nat onal.
Not being one for polls as they are the views of those polled and not millions of people I had a hunt for the collected data as not much info is available on the nat onal.
I guess I'm just lucky though as I did find the data and it sampled all of 1110 people, strangely though the weighted sample has the SNP voters as the highest group, some 499 people. Given a anomaly like that then surely that would have most of those saying that the vow was not delivered...Well wrong, the nat onal fudged it a bit and just subtracted the 9% who thought the 'Vow' had been delivered fully from the rest. If you state the ones who say it has not been delivered then the actual figure is 22

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Now thats just not only what the poll was about, it also asks about another referendum based on the EU referendum as well as how long till we have another referendum, guess what, have one sooner rather than later was only 29 with the vast majority of non SNP voters saying it should be once in a generation

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Now I know jagz is probably regretting his decision to post the nat onal link but it does get WORSE, most would vote NO in a referendum and almost everyone of them would not change their vote from 2014

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So thanks for that jagz, without you avoiding posting the vow you would never have posted that link.

As funny as it was it is still only a poll of 1110 people, thats enough people for Jagz as 'proof' but certainly nowhere enough for me, no doubt though as it shows a NO vote Jagz will now denounce it as lies biggrin.gif


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post 13th Jun 2017, 07:20pm
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Jeezo! This is far more serious than I thought. sad.gif


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post 13th Jun 2017, 09:31pm
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post 13th Jun 2017, 09:42pm
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Captain Queeg comes to mind. I can just see the steel balls. I wonder if there are stolen strawberries in his past.


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post 14th Jun 2017, 10:56pm
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QUOTE (john.mcn @ 13th Jun 2017, 08:07pm) *
Ok just for a moment lets just forget that you refused to post the vow for 3 weeks straight, lets forget that you asked me a question to divert attention from me asking for the vow, lets forget that I answered that question that day you asked, lets forget that 3 weeks after asking Kem did the job for you and everyone can see that the 'vow' was just meaningless talk of talking(which I said on the 15th September 2014), lets forget that I went through the posts and put the conversation all in one post so that people can see me calmly asking for you to post the vow for others to read, lets forget 3 weeks of you avoiding, diverting and posting old newspaper links instead of just fulfilling the simple request to back up your statement.. Now if we forget all that and look at your post then people might say 'ohh wow jagz has John on the ropes', but we cant forget about them can we, we cant forget that for 3 weeks you refused to post the vow and tried many times to divert. My point was just so that people could read the vow you were referring to and make up their own minds, yours was to lie and deceive and that is why you refused to back up your initial statement. If you had just done that then this would have been finished 3 weeks ago..

Now then, on to your link. First of all I would have thought that after me pointing out your previous link as 'out of date' as it was from 2015 which was prior to the Scotland act 2016 (hints in the name) might have made you think twice about posting more 'proof' from that year, but obviously not. wacko.gif
Now what is funny is that if you read the story,( I did but I dont think you did biggrin.gif ) you will see that it explains the Vow as being "conceived and drafted by journalists at the Daily Record,", now what is funny about that, well if it was the work of journalists then I'm not sure it falls under purdah. It was the work of journalist and posted on the front page of a newspaper.. Your link jagz so you must agree with it biggrin.gif
What is purdah though is the SNP announcing an £8.3 million investment to Glasgow 2 days before the council elections, thats different though isn't it because the SNP got the most seats

Anyway I'll humour it as seeing as its from the totally unbiased Nat onal.
Not being one for polls as they are the views of those polled and not millions of people I had a hunt for the collected data as not much info is available on the nat onal.
I guess I'm just lucky though as I did find the data and it sampled all of 1110 people, strangely though the weighted sample has the SNP voters as the highest group, some 499 people. Given a anomaly like that then surely that would have most of those saying that the vow was not delivered...Well wrong, the nat onal fudged it a bit and just subtracted the 9% who thought the 'Vow' had been delivered fully from the rest. If you state the ones who say it has not been delivered then the actual figure is 22

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Now thats just not only what the poll was about, it also asks about another referendum based on the EU referendum as well as how long till we have another referendum, guess what, have one sooner rather than later was only 29 with the vast majority of non SNP voters saying it should be once in a generation

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Now I know jagz is probably regretting his decision to post the nat onal link but it does get WORSE, most would vote NO in a referendum and almost everyone of them would not change their vote from 2014

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So thanks for that jagz, without you avoiding posting the vow you would never have posted that link.

As funny as it was it is still only a poll of 1110 people, thats enough people for Jagz as 'proof' but certainly nowhere enough for me, no doubt though as it shows a NO vote Jagz will now denounce it as lies biggrin.gif


John, please seek help my friend.
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post 14th Jun 2017, 11:13pm
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post 14th Jun 2017, 11:44pm
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QUOTE (JAGZ1876 @ 14th Jun 2017, 10:56pm) *
John, please seek help my friend.



Why because I hand yours and the other half of your act butt back to you time after time, you post lies and get called out, you post garbage from biased rags as some sort of proof to back them up and anyone who checked out the poll can see that 'paper' is as bad as the DM and anyone who laps it up does need help.


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