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> When Two Parents Are Not Enough!, Health and safety policy in a flap?
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post 9th Jul 2012, 11:32pm
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The same thing happened to me at Perth pool. I had two 8 yr old twins and and one 7 yr old and they would not let me take all three in the pool. I had to go in with two and one had to wait on a chair with a drink and then I had to take one out and swap them with the child sitting down and then go back in the pools - RIDICULOUS.
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post 10th Jul 2012, 12:27am
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My father was a competitive swimmer when young. He taught me to swim when I was 4 years old. At 11 years I gained an intermediate life saver certificate. This gave me a free pass for one year to the Summerton rd. baths. I never heard of but one drowning and that was in an over crowded pool. The nanny state, always imposed under the auspices of pseudo socialism, is nothing short of enforcing social control over an increasingly oppressed population. Their hidden agenda is one of what is best for you, and we know better than you what is best. After all their impositions are always couched in ambiguity as if it were reasonable and socially acceptable. Soon you will be kept off the streets as cars can and do kill; be told, as with comedy what you will watch on T.V. Remember how Stalin and Hitler had totally compliant populaces made up of seemingly intelligent citizens.
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post 10th Jul 2012, 05:56am
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QUOTE (angel @ 8th Jul 2012, 10:46pm) *
Just my 2 cents worth here .......

If the Easterhouse pool was as busy as the spokesperson said and according to their Health and safety guidlines ,I think the right decision was made , however , I can't for the life of me figure what the outcome had to do with the Commonwealth Games ...

Hi Angel, many thanks for your post. Regarding the link with the Commonwealth Games: as noted, a primary aim of the games is to bring about a change in Glaswegians' participation levels in sporting and leisure activities. However, local policies are out-of-step with the declared aims of the games because city politicians have overseen a programme of cuts to sporting and leisure facilities across the city. On the one hand politicians are spending 525million on an event aimed at getting people to participate in healthy activities, while on the other hand those same politicians have implemented policies which limit the availability of public access to healthy activities.

Example, from the Evening Times in February 2010:
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Workers 'Will Lose Out As Leisure Centre Hours Cut'

Thousands of Glasgow workers could be forced to stop using gyms and swimming pools as reduced opening hours threaten to freeze out people with jobs.

Leisure centres will be forced to close early as Culture and Sport Glasgow [renamed as Glasgow Life] tries to save cash. It has already announced plans to shut a dozen community centres.

Critics say the new closing times as early as 8pm on weekdays for many facilities mean thousands of city centre workers will not be able to make it home and out again in time to use the gym.

Facilities such as Easterhouse, Drumchapel and Castlemilk will all now close at 8pm compared to 9.00pm right now.

Others which opened even later will close at 9pm from April 1, with more than 20 facilities affected across the city. ...

http://evening-times.vlex.co.uk/vid/worker...rs-cut-77360893

It is quite possible that had the city invested in its leisure facilities, as opposed to cutting back, then the young family would not have been excluded from Easterhouse swimming pool.

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post 10th Jul 2012, 08:29am
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I think these health and safety rules are outrageous but they have nothing to do with Socialism, pseudo or otherwise.

Most of these stupid rules are disowned by the official Health and Safety people and are neither suggested or imposed by them.

The root cause is our blame and litegeous society and the rules are suggested by Lawyers, who are not Socialists.

If an incident occurrs the Press go into meltdown and a scapegoat must be found to blame with someone loosing their job.

One dead child !!!

Then follows the negligence claims for compensation with the ambulance chasers competing for the business..

Is it any wonder they risk access and try to plan for every contingency ?

Sad but true.


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post 10th Jul 2012, 12:10pm
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I think a lot of what you are saying is right Dylan but one thing is that a lot of the socialists who go about now are also lawyers or in some profession like that so they are just creating jobs for themselves or their pals. It wasnae like that in my day when a socialist was a hard worker who fought for his working class community. Now it is totally different!!
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post 10th Jul 2012, 01:34pm
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QUOTE (angel @ 9th Jul 2012, 08:46am) *
Just my 2 cents worth here .......

If the Easterhouse pool was as busy as the spokesperson said and according to their Health and safety guidlines ,I think the right decision was made , however , I can't for the life of me figure what the outcome had to do with the Commonwealth Games .

I'm very pleased that this young family did manage to get swimming and participate in this wonderful activity .

Im with you Angel. Health and safety guidlines have to be followed.Believe it I have been a swimming instructor with strict rules on numbers per session, there is no second chance with water accidents. I have been a Health and Saftey officer here in Australia in business for a number of years and although I think things are becoming like Nanny states just think about it would you like to be sued cos that what happens nowadays
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post 10th Jul 2012, 01:50pm
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dylan Quotes "I think these health and safety rules are outrageous" I'm not sure what specific rules you mean Dylan but in respect to swimming pools the safety of young children is obviously very important and pool operators simply cannot assume parents or guardians will properly supervise the youngsters in their charge so strict rules have to be laid down due to the litigious society we now live in


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post 10th Jul 2012, 02:10pm
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GG an interesting point is whether they are implementing H and S or National Industry Guidelines.If the latter I would assume that there must be stated numbers of persons using a pool at any one time eg 50 x25 metre pool would hold 100 persons.Just a shame that these issues are not made clearer to the public instead of being suddenly pulled out the hat.

Hi Jupitor. You mention Health and Saftey plus National Industry guidlines in conection with running this business. I would suggest that only one would be applicable, two, if they were allowed would work off different pages, it may be a legal minefield should an accident occur.

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post 10th Jul 2012, 02:46pm
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GG an interesting point is whether they are implementing H and S or National Industry Guidelines.If the latter I would assume that there must be stated numbers of persons using a pool at any one time eg 50 x25 metre pool would hold 100 persons.Just a shame that these issues are not made clearer to the public instead of being suddenly pulled out the hat.

Hi Jupitor , I have been trying to find those , maxium safety numbers for Glasgow's public swimming pools on the internet , but to no avail , maybe it's a big secret .


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post 10th Jul 2012, 04:14pm
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It is quite possible that had the city invested in its leisure facilities, as opposed to cutting back, then the young family would not have been excluded from Easterhouse swimming pool.

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The city of Halifax , Nova Scotia , backed down from their bid for the 2014 Commonwealth games , because the cost was prohibitive , this made some people very happy and of course other's not. There is much more to this story but I will leave it there . However if Glasgow could not afford these games , then the city should have backed down , I do think the cost is outrageous and probably highly inflated .

I still do not think that those games could be the reason anyone would be turned away from that swimming pool , I truly hope that it was in the best interest of" safety" .

Regarding the earlier closing of the pools , I think this would have happened , with or without the Commonwealth games .


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post 10th Jul 2012, 04:31pm
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Aussiejimmy and angel the first post only mentions national guidelines and in fairness I mentioned H and E.
Im having a look to see what regs do cover public pools.
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post 10th Jul 2012, 05:28pm
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This I found regarding Ontario "Toronto Public Health " .

Reading and understanding all of the regulations , I would have to be a Philadelphia lawyer , anyway , I did find this paragraph on Maximum saftery numbers for bathers in public pools .

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Sec. 43-32. Maximum number of swimmers.
The maximum number of swimmers or other persons allowed in a public swimming pool at any one time shall be determined by dividing the total square footage of the swimming pool water surface area by twenty-seven (27); provided, however, if the diving area is excluded from the total square footage of swimming pool water surface, twenty-four (24) may be used as the divisor. No person in charge of any public swimming pool shall allow more swimmers or other persons to be in such pool at any one time than the maximum number allowable, as so determined. (Ord. No. 29,835, 1(46.1-8), 2-27-79)

so when you go swimming remember to take a measuring tape biggrin.gif


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post 10th Jul 2012, 05:59pm
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angel,thats the sort of formula I thought would be in use.
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post 11th Jul 2012, 05:44am
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safety does come first,being overcrowded is another.Just my opinion and they do need more bodyguards not babystitters to see what is going on. I am not saying all parents are not careless but in matter of seconds they can be gone too.Better to be safe than sorry.
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post 11th Jul 2012, 05:46am
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sorry not bodygaurds,I ment Lifegaurds.
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