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> Tommy Sheridan Sentenced Today, Ex-MSP sentenced to 3 years in prison
Jupiter
post 26th Jan 2011, 06:02pm
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Snowman,I was the person who asked and Dylan is not my friend.He is a fellow poster as are you.
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post 26th Jan 2011, 06:17pm
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I have a wee question , now don't all shout at me at the same time Ok ....

You all seem very pleased with the fact this man has got 3 years in prison , and assume what fate lies in front of him for the next year at least .. Can any of you hand on heart say you know personally what it is like to be imprisioned or are you all just speculating ? With the exception of one person that I know of I would be will be bet none of you have ever been inside a jail let alone a prison yes there is a difference between the two .
The man is going to have to make some major life changes no matter what and from now on he will always have that hanging over him...

My Granny used to say don't judge me till you walk in my shoes.


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post 26th Jan 2011, 06:23pm
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Lennox you can take me out of that assumption as having been inside many a jail I would not wish it on my worst enemy.Unfortunately for Sheridan Justice grinds slowly but grinds fine.
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post 26th Jan 2011, 06:24pm
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Tommy's' first request from Prison He wants a News of the World every Sunday; any volunteer's'.. wub.gif


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post 26th Jan 2011, 06:29pm
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QUOTE (Jupiter @ 26th Jan 2011, 07:01pm) *
Lennox you can take me out of that assumption as having been inside many a jail I would not wish it on my worst enemy.Unfortunately for Sheridan Justice grinds slowly but grinds fine.

Joop, After things I have seen the past year nor would I hence my post. sad.gif


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post 26th Jan 2011, 07:32pm
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QUOTE (Lennox @ 26th Jan 2011, 06:55pm) *
I have a wee question , now don't all shout at me at the same time Ok ....

You all seem very pleased with the fact this man has got 3 years in prison , and assume what fate lies in front of him for the next year at least .. Can any of you hand on heart say you know personally what it is like to be imprisioned or are you all just speculating ? With the exception of one person that I know of I would be will be bet none of you have ever been inside a jail let alone a prison yes there is a difference between the two .
The man is going to have to make some major life changes no matter what and from now on he will always have that hanging over him...

My Granny used to say don't judge me till you walk in my shoes.

Excuse me for one if my heart doesn't bleed for old Tommy. So prison isn't nice? Well sorry but I thought that was the whole point of it. And no, a lot of us most probably haven't been inside prison, but the main reason for that is we chose not to live our lives the way he did.
As for him making some major life changes : I would bloody well hope so.

I'm genuinely intrigued though as to what is the difference between jail and prison.


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post 26th Jan 2011, 07:49pm
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A very lucky man, got a more lenient sentence than he deserved. I have absolutely no sympathy for him, he chose the path he took and he trod over everyone of his former colleagues in his hope of attaining money by deception. Justice prevailed but again it shows that punishment no longer fits the crime in this ruin of a country.
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post 26th Jan 2011, 08:01pm
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Tommy Sheridan sentence, in quotes:

Trial judge, Lord Bracadale
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On any view you were a highly effective and hard working politician.

You supported individuals in the community; both in the parliament and in the street, you were able to use your undoubted powers of oratory to press home your cause; you led the Scottish Socialist Party to considerable electoral success; and your contributions to the anti-poll tax campaign and the abolition of warrant sales will become part of the fabric of Scottish social and political history.

By pursuing, and persisting in the pursuit of, a defamation action against the proprietors of the News of the World you brought the walls of the temple crashing down not only on your own head but also on the heads of your family and your political friends and foes alike.

You were repeatedly warned by the comrades that it would come to this.

Tommy Sheridan, statement read by his solicitor Aamer Anwar
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This multi million-pound prosecution will separate me from my wife and child and that will be heartbreaking.

But I will continue to fight a system that protects the real criminals - the rich and powerful.

I have today instructed my solicitor to lodge an appeal against conviction.

But also to launch legal action against the News of the World, the Metropolitan Police and Glenn Mulcaire over phone hacking.

In addition my solicitors will begin to contact a dossier of Scottish names handed to them of those whose phones may have been hacked.

Andy Coulson may have resigned for the second time but if he and others are not above the law then it is time that they faced justice.

That chapter is yet to be written.

Tommy Sheridan's wife Gail
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Tommy has dedicated his life to helping others.

The real reason why he's been imprisoned today is because he has fought injustice and inequality with every beat of his heart.

But it won't be long before Tommy is back stronger and continuing the fight.

Frances Curran and Colin Fox, former Sheridan colleagues and MSPs
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Today's proceedings finally end the ill-advised action Tommy Sheridan initiated six years ago in suing a tabloid over allegations he knew to be true.

He alone is responsible for where he sleeps tonight, no-one else. He pursued legal action full in the knowledge he would lie in court.

He asked his closest political allies and friends to join him in that crazy strategy and then turned on us because we refused.

He still shows no sign of taking responsibility for his own actions.

News of the World spokesman
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This is a just outcome to a long and complex criminal case.

Today's sentence also provides closure for the many witnesses who very bravely exposed their own lives to public scrutiny when they testified to Mr Sheridan's guilt.

Mr Sheridan has been jailed for lying to a court to secure victory when he sued the News of the World for defamation in 2006.

At the time he was an elected member of the Scottish Parliament. As we have made clear, we have an appeal lodged against that defamation verdict and we now look forward to that appeal succeeding in Scotland's Court of Session.

Solidarity, Sheridan's party founded in 2006
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Solidarity will continue to give our full backing and support and backing to Tommy, and in particular to Gail Sheridan and the family at this difficult time.

Neither Tommy Sheridan nor Solidarity will be broken. We stand, as always, in solidarity.

Solidarity condemns as barbaric and draconian the sentence imposed today on Tommy Sheridan.

We believe the lengthy jail term imposed by the judge is vindictive.

It will reinforce the widespread view that this is the culmination of a brutal vendetta carried out by the rich and powerful against Scotland's most prominent socialist.

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post 26th Jan 2011, 08:05pm
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QUOTE (Jupiter @ 26th Jan 2011, 04:14pm) *
I think Sheridans arrogance probably got him an extra helping from the judge.After listening to the trial for 10-11 weeks and Sheridans attempt at his own defence the last thing he would want to hear would be a plea in mitigation from Sheridan himself.If he had hired a QC to do the plea and perhaps showed some form of remorse or contrition it may well have gone some way in bringing down the term of imprisonment passed down.An experienced QC could have conveyed a plea more eloquently and to the point than Sheridan could ever have done.
We will never know.

Very good point and I agree with you entirely. Ego caused the whole affair in the beginning e.g. that normal rules did not apply to him a la Tiger Woods, Wayne Rooney, and so on.And Ego thought he could dispense with the services of a QC. In my opinion this has cost him dearly.

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post 26th Jan 2011, 08:14pm
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Mathieson asked
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I'm genuinely intrigued though as to what is the difference between jail and prison.


In the United States, "jail" and "prison" refer to separate levels of incarceration; generally speaking, jails are county or city administrated institutions which house both inmates awaiting trial on the local level and convicted misdemeanants serving a term of one year or less, while prisons are state or Federal facilities housing those awaiting trial on the state or Federal level and convicted felons serving a term of more than one year. On the Federal level, this terminology has been largely superseded by a more complex five-tier system implemented by the Federal Bureau of Prisons that ranges from low security "Prison Camps" to medium security "Correctional Institutions" and finally maximum security "Penitentiaries".

Futher info below under the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison



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post 26th Jan 2011, 08:27pm
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Sheridan could be out of prison very quickly,on bail if his lawyer lodges an appeal against conviction.
I have not read or seen what the grounds of appeal are but it is not an uncommon feature in legal terms for persons to be let out,especially someone like Sheridan who poses no real risk of reoffending,has a fixed address and is non violent.That could be the next chapter very soon.
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post 26th Jan 2011, 09:01pm
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Well I hope Tommy wins his Appeal and gets out. It would be a smack on the face to the NOTW and other Media who stick their noses into other people's personal life and use whatever they find out to sell newspapers and make money from it.

The NOTW are in big trouble as it is with all the Hacking into telephone calls their Reporters have been doing.


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post 26th Jan 2011, 10:44pm
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QUOTE (Lennox @ 26th Jan 2011, 05:55pm) *
I have a wee question , now don't all shout at me at the same time Ok ....
Can any of you hand on heart say you know personally what it is like to be imprisioned


My first time in a jail cell was at about 13 years of age ... for horse rustling ( I can still hardly believe that even today but that was Blantyre cops for you rolleyes.gif )

I know what it's like to be jailed and treated to a short beatin' by police (in Sweden) and a slight accident (in England). Fortunately for me I came to no harm in Military jails, Israeli or German jails.
I was never in Tommy Sheridan's league though and since I'm now retired I guess I'll never find out.
Sheridan is now learning that his own worst enemy is himself and not those he accused of being.


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post 26th Jan 2011, 11:13pm
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If no one fights for the 'poor guys' then the rich guys run all over them !!!!

And, generally, its the rich guys that run the show and pull the strings - how many of them are NOT crooked? MP's and expenses, anyone? !!!!

I wish Tommy Sheridan well.


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post 27th Jan 2011, 01:11am
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The Daily Express has reported that "Tommy Sheridan was yesterday jailed for three years – but he could walk free in as little as six months". Let's hope they are correct; it would be great if Mr Sheridan was home for Christmas with his family. Speaking about his family, Mr Sheridan said in a pre-recorded television interview:

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"The problem is the length of the sentence is going to punish Gail and Gabrielle [his young daughter] more than me.

This is a prison sentence which is sad, and I'm not trying to make light of it, I'll probably have to cry myself to sleep several nights because I haven’t got me wee baby to cuddle the way I do every night.

In the short term, Gail and I probably will maintain 'Daddy's away at work'. How long that can be maintained I don’t know.

The thing that’s really difficult for me is Gail is going to have to deal with her, and that’s horrible, because a lot of kids will perhaps be saying to her, 'I heard your Dad's in prison' or whatever, so it's going to be dead, dead difficult, it's going to be horrible."

Full interview here:
http://news.stv.tv/scotland/223655-tommy-s...-was-sentenced/

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