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> Red Road Flats Demolished For Sport, Sad, sick and embarrassing for Glasgow
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post 6th Apr 2014, 03:35am
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Sydney is still paying off the "best ever Olympic games" 14 years later.The tourist income doesn`t justify the financial burden placed on the city.The hotels and folk like that make some money from exorbitant prices,but the bottom line is a heap of debt for the host city.Away back in 1993 when Sydney was announced as the winner (to great back slapping and hugging among the councillors) the 'loser' would have been more apt, the carnival atmosphere around the place for a couple of weeks was not value for money.I sincerely hope the games bring some kind of fortune to our dear green place,but I`d be surprised if the man in the street gets any benefit from it just like here. Infrastructure suffered and is still suffering for a State Govt. crying poor mouth.I hope with all my heart the council will do a back flip on the public spectacle of the implosion. A big pipe band and Scottish dancers would be the go for the opening.

With respect, I don't agree, Sir. Sydney is one of the most livable cities in the world and has an enviable standard of living, with the most expensive properties outside of Hong Kong. The Olympics were a massive boost to the economy of Sydney and the flow on effect lasted 10 years; you can't expect it to go on forever and there was strict price control on the rental of accommodation during the Olympics. You may have been dismayed at the atmosphere but its that perhaps sour grapes on your part? And where did you get those statistics from; obviously the greens to whom all things beneficial to Australia and to the joy of its' populace are sour grapes.
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post 6th Apr 2014, 12:32pm
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New safety fears over demolition of Red Road flats

FEARS have been raised about the safety of demolishing five Red Road tower blocks as part of the Glasgow 2014 opening ceremony after it emerged that a previous "blowdown" at the site sent debris flying well beyond the exclusion zone.

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post 6th Apr 2014, 04:45pm
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Just catching up with this topic today. What a dumb idea, but, not surprising after all the other dumb ideas to come out of George Square.

Wellfield, in answer to your question, "Are these people voted in by the people of Glasgow?".
The answer is 'Yes & No'.
At the last Municipal Elections in 2011, the Daily Record reported that Labour Party activist's were concerned that Glaswegians were 'Not engaging' with the campaign.
As you will realise, that means they weren't interested!
The SNP, on the other hand, thought all they had to do on the day after the elections was to turn up and take power.
Most Glaswegians didn't think much of their policies either so, as the saying goes around here (Springburn), Labour could get a monkey elected and they proceeded to prove that.
67.1% of Glaswegians didn't vote as they clearly didn't think change was about to take place. In other words. same old, same old.
So, yes they were elected by some.

Tamhickey
You are absolutely correct, the council made millions from money to shelter asylum seekers but didn't spend a penny round here.
Springburn Public Halls was demolished in an act of Cultural Vandalism last Christmas after 26 years of neglect. No doubt the ground is earmarked for some friend of the Labour Council, namely a property developer!
But wait a minute, perhaps that money is being used to provide the 'Gay House' at the Commonwealth Games. No need to spend it on anything to benefit Glaswegians, spend it on something to get their name in the Gay newspapers and websites.

GG
Your report on the refusal by the council to name a street after a Glaswegian who won the VC and died for his trouble.
I refer to the comment from some nameless official that streets weren't named after people dead or alive is clearly a bare faced lie.
Didn't they re-name a city centre street, for political reasons, after an African terrorist, namely Nelson Mandela, a man who condoned bombing?
Different rules for different political reasons.
Alex
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post 6th Apr 2014, 06:30pm
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New safety fears over demolition of Red Road flats

FEARS have been raised about the safety of demolishing five Red Road tower blocks as part of the Glasgow 2014 opening ceremony after it emerged that a previous "blowdown" at the site sent debris flying well beyond the exclusion zone.

Watch this video and – as Scotsman mentioned earlier with a different video – imagine the effect of five structures coming down at once. Crazy that the council should be seeking to publicise and promote this when expert opinion is that members of the public should be actively deterred from attending such events. I think we are going to see exactly what kind of society we live in here – are the opinions of the self-promoting privileged elites who make up our political class going to triumph over public outrage and revulsion combined the considered evaluation of professional expertise? This is going to get very interesting indeed...!


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post 6th Apr 2014, 06:37pm
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Thousands opposed to Games tower block explosions

More than 4,000 people have signed an online petition opposing plans to demolish Glasgow tower blocks as part of the city's Commonwealth Games.

Five of the six remaining Red Road blocks of flats will be blown up on 23 July as part of the opening ceremony.

The footage will be beamed live into the Glasgow 2014 event at Celtic Park.

Some opponents believe the plans are insensitive to former residents and asylum seekers currently living in the sixth block.

This block, in Petershill Court, is due to be demolished at a later date.

The Glasgow 2014 organisers believe the demolition of the derelict 1960s flats will show how Glasgow is changing for the better while celebrating the role the flats have played in the lives of thousands of city families.

So far, about 4,280 people have signed an online petition lodged by former Socialist MSP Carolyn Leckie. ...

Full story here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-26913582

Petition here:
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/glas...ed-with-dignity

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post 6th Apr 2014, 08:12pm
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The Red Road's reputation for crime, disorder and deprivation was not quickly or naturally gained. Rather, it was the direct result of seeding the area with known anti-social types whilst simultaneously abdicating responsibility for proper stewardship and maintenance of the place; and it evolved over some two decades or more! - If there was social engineering at play, the physical buildings played little part in it. The scheme was deliberately mismanaged.

I know, for I was there - having, since the age of 10, enjoyed a good upbringing in a warm, comfortable flat in the scheme. And later - again from one of the flats in the scheme - starting what is now one of the longest-established video production companies in Scotland.

The decline of the Red Road past the point of no return has been carefully orchestrated. And it’s history written by those who brought it down to paint the pictures they require to justify their actions... Why for instance bring in a London-based Australian to write stories about the place? Or some guy from East Kilbride, now based in Blackpool, to take the ‘official’ photographs of its demise? Springburn is known for producing its own fair share of creatives! As is Glasgow generally!

Matt Quinn.

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[...] In many parts of the city Glasgow is now witnessing the fourth phase of demolition and rebuild in the space of 120 years. This city has a habit of mindless physical regeneration that occurs at the detriment to actual community regeneration. It knows no other tactic and strategy for improving the lives of the marginalised urban poor than to destroy the de-humanising box that they currently live in and place them in a brand new de-humanising box that is then positioned in a wider physical environment that dictates activity and behaviour in a manner that gradually deteriorates the human spirit. Places like Red Road don't decline because tall buildings are a bad place to live, it is because those places were made without the opportunity and invitation for the inhabitants to generate a culture through their own creativity and to meaningfully effect and develop their community in an organic and responsive manner. There is floods of new social housing going up all over Glasgow at the moment which will no doubt win their architects awards and bring smiles to the faces of their new inhabitants when they move into their new shiny, warm homes with a drive at the front and a garden at the back but I can't help but think that until we start asking questions about what we want people to do in these places, how a place can truly bring delight into the every day and how people can see and touch the opportunity to create their own place then we will find in another 30 years we might need to start all over again.

This is obviously an extremely long winded response to what I think is a sick , ill considered, tactless, mindless show of misguided bravado. It says to the rest of the world that through neglect, mismanagement, dereliction of public duty, and a lack of care we fucked it up so badly and so profoundly that we have to destroy it and start all over again.

While they are at it maybe it's worth popping some dynamite under the emirates, under the east end regeneration route, under the bland and monotonous office developments, and under the ugly, ill considered, poorly planned social housing that's popping up near the M74 and saving our selves another 30 years of barely managed decline until we do it all over again for the opening ceremony of the 2044 Glasgow Commonwealth Games.

Done now x.

Lee Ivett.

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post 7th Apr 2014, 09:17am
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Bosses reply to criticism of Red Road demolition plans

NEWS of the demolition of the Red Road flats has caused a great deal of reaction.

Many questions have been asked about making this part of the opening ceremony for the 2014 Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. We have put some of those questions to Dr Bridget McConnell, chief executive of Glasgow Life; David Grevemberg, chief executive of Glasgow 2014; and David Fletcher, director of regeneration at Glasgow Housing Association

Isn't the move to blow down the flats as part of an entertainment spectacular insensitive to the memory of the people who lived in them? They will clearly be upset at the demise of the place they once called home …

McConnell: This bold image - for present and future generations - will create an unforgettable moment in time to mark how Glasgow continues to strive for better. For more than five decades the flats have played a role in shaping the lives of thousands of families, for whom these flats have simply been home. The end of Red Road is too important for Glasgow not to share.

Grevemberg: By sharing and commemorating the final moments of the Red Road flats with the world as part of the Opening Ceremony, Glasgow is showing it is a city that is proud of its history but does not stand still. It shows a city constantly regenerating, renewing and re-inventing itself. Our story, Glasgow's story, is always one of its people; their tenacity, their genuine warmth, their ambitions. And along with the story of the Commonwealth, we are reflecting the symbolism of where we have been and where we are going.

How can you guarantee the demolition will go off as planned when you will be dependent on other factors?

Fletcher: As with all of GHA's scheduled demolitions, this programme will be conducted within a full health and safety regime. The priority is, as it is in every case, keeping people safe and ensuring people and communities most directly impacted are involved and informed in the process. This demolition is no different in that regard. We have already demolished two blocks at Red Road and many blocks elsewhere in the city that have all gone to plan.

Grevemberg: Health and safety is paramount in all of this. Planning for the Opening Ceremony will also include a version of the show that does not include the demolition aspect should it not be possible to take place for any reason.

While the demolition will be spectacular, is the destruction of tower block slums really the message Glasgow wants to send out to the world, especially those in the Commonwealth who live in far worse slums than this?

McConnell: This is about more than creating an iconic moment for the Opening Ceremony; it is about the next step in the regeneration of one of Glasgow's most famous communities. It symbolises the changing face of the city over the years and recognises our proud social history. Glasgow's Opening Ceremony is right to celebrate that history, but we will do so in a sensitive manner.

We have worked with former residents for the last six years to get the story of Red Road. This is their story and the voice of real Glaswegians should rightly be heard during the ceremony and the story of Red Road should be shared with the world. Of course, this is one small part of a much larger show that will entertain, inspire and show Glasgow in a spectacular light.

Grevemberg: We want these ceremonies to be authentic and courageous. We could easily just have a celebration that showcases predictable segments, but that would not be genuine, provocative or true to Glasgow.

Isn't the destruction of these tower blocks as part of a global entertainment spectacle depicting Glasgow as a place that celebrates social failure?

McConnell: The demolition of the flats is not about social failure - in fact, the opposite is true. The flats were once the future of social housing in the city and over the years have been home to thousands of families. We are celebrating their role in our history and want to make sure their role is properly marked.

Grevemberg: The regeneration of Glasgow has, so far, seen tens of thousands of former council homes refurbished in a 1.2billion modernisation programme, which is the biggest of its kind in Europe. It has also seen hundreds of new affordable homes built, old and unpopular tower blocks brought down, communities revitalised and thousands of jobs and apprenticeships created for local people. Not to mention projects such as Glasgow 2014's Athletes Village, itself a catalyst for neighbourhood regeneration of the city's East End.

All of this is modern Glasgow's story, a story of looking forward with bold ambition while not forgetting the past.

Why aren't the residents who are being moved out being offered tickets for the Games?

Grevemberg: As is normal during GHA demolition work, facilities will be provided for residents who will be temporarily evacuated during the event. Local venues will be open to them throughout the evacuation period with refreshments and entertainment provided. And, as this will be during the Opening Ceremony for the Games, they are also invited to join in the celebrations by soaking up the atmosphere at the Games Live Event within Glasgow Green.

To ensure a fair approach for everyone, we have made clear since launching our ticketing programme last year that there would be no free tickets. A total of 70% of our tickets for all sports sessions were made available for the public, ensuring events are accessible and tickets affordable.

Will the cash to pay for the demolition now come out of the Games budget or will it remain with Glasgow Housing Association?

Fletcher: The demolition is part of GHA's planned demolition programme that has already been budgeted for. Glasgow 2014 and Glasgow City Council are supporting events for residents affected by the demolition plans.

What safety measures are in place for the demolition?

Fletcher: Safety is our primary focus, as with every demolition we carry out. Our demolition contractor, Safedem, will put in place a wide range of measures on each block to contain the blast and minimise any flying debris. Safedem will also establish a large exclusion zone around the blocks to provide further protection. Again, this is exactly in line with our normal practice.

Our contractor has an extremely experienced and skilled team, who have safely delivered a number of our demolition contracts within the city over the past years. Its track record and safety record are exemplary and GHA is confident of the contractor's ability to deliver this project.

Grevemberg: This project is only possible because so many key people and organisations across the city and Scotland have invested their energies and time to commit to making it happen safely and in a controlled manner. These include our Games partners, the Scottish Government and Glasgow City Council, as well as Police Scotland, British Transport Police, the Health and Safety Executive, Network Rail, First ScotRail, and NG Holmes. Safety will be paramount and the blowdown will only take place during the Opening Ceremony if and when it is safe to do so.

Doesn't the fact the only tower block left standing will be home to asylum seekers send out the message that these unfortunates only merit accommodation Glasgow considers unfit for Glaswegians?

McConnell: Glasgow was the only local authority in Scotland to rehouse asylum seekers as part of the UK Government dispersal programme and the city has shown an unparalleled commitment in this area. The contract for the remaining block in Petershill Court is due to end later this year and work will continue to provide suitable accommodation for asylum seekers after this date.

Fletcher: The remaining block at 33 Petershill Drive will also come down in due course but cannot be part of this operation. The block is leased to Orchard & Shipman and there are still people living in it at present. The whole site, including this block, is due to be demolished and the site cleared by 2017, as was always planned.

Were the residents consulted about the plans for demolition?

Fletcher: Thursday was the start of engaging with local people about this. The council leader wrote to each household affected to explain the plans. That was the first step in a comprehensive process. Now our demolition contractor will begin detailed conversations with every household to understand their exact needs for the day and to help make arrangements for them.

Will the remaining residents face looking out on to a mountain of rubble for yearsto come?

Fletcher: After the blowdown, there will be a large pile of debris that will be processed for recycling. Work on clearing it will start immediately. About 50,000 tonnes of steel and rubble will be crushed, graded and recycled. It is expected 99% of the building rubble and steel can be recycled.


http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/bosses-...58603n.23883391

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Trying again.... yes GG thats a better example of the video and the dust coming from just a single building going down.... like I said if you can imagine what it will be like from 5 buildings?? Also can you imagine if this on Newton Mearns and whether they residents would allow this to happen. There might be asbestos in that dust and it will take ages to clear from peoples streets and gardens.... hope we are not down wind of that!!
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post 7th Apr 2014, 02:52pm
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With respect, a timely and cogent reminder that not everyone interprets the complex issues to be considered through the kind of rose-tinted spectacles apparently prevalent in this forum...

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/william-cook/...n-catastrophic/
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post 7th Apr 2014, 03:17pm
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I'm sure the athletes will appreciate breathing in all this dust, even if all the asbestos has been removed.
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post 7th Apr 2014, 04:06pm
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QUOTE (Alex Saville @ 6th Apr 2014, 06:02pm) *
Tamhickey
You are absolutely correct, the council made millions from money to shelter asylum seekers but didn't spend a penny round here.
Springburn Public Halls was demolished in an act of Cultural Vandalism last Christmas after 26 years of neglect. No doubt the ground is earmarked for some friend of the Labour Council, namely a property developer!
But wait a minute, perhaps that money is being used to provide the 'Gay House' at the Commonwealth Games. No need to spend it on anything to benefit Glaswegians, spend it on something to get their name in the Gay newspapers and websites.

GG
Your report on the refusal by the council to name a street after a Glaswegian who won the VC and died for his trouble.
I refer to the comment from some nameless official that streets weren't named after people dead or alive is clearly a bare faced lie.
Didn't they re-name a city centre street, for political reasons, after an African terrorist, namely Nelson Mandela, a man who condoned bombing?
Different rules for different political reasons.
Alex

While I agree with the general statement you made (im from the area) I think your right wing tone is a bit off the mark.
I take you don't think its ok for them to ignore the area while building any houses for the games or naming any street after figures

Or is it just the ones you don't like?
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post 7th Apr 2014, 04:11pm
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With respect, a timely and cogent reminder that not everyone interprets the complex issues to be considered through the kind of rose-tinted spectacles apparently prevalent in this forum...

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/william-cook/...n-catastrophic/

The flats where getting pulled down anyway, that's not the issue.

The issue is GCC totally ignoring the area for decades then parading us as a symbol of some regeneration master plan for all the tourists to see how wonderful it all is.
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post 7th Apr 2014, 07:48pm
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In regards to the comments about Sydney games, on my last visit to Sydney to see my granddaughter, we went to the games pool. This is the only building in use in the middle of a vast area of defunct stadiums looking like something from the set of a post nuclear war film. Lets hope we dont find ourselves in the same situation in Glasgow.

As to the comment about no asbestos now present in the flats, the problem surely is the absurd idea that blowing up buildings as an introduction to a sporting event must rank as one of the most stupidest that these morons on the council have ever come up with.
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These people at Glasgow Council who have said they're doing this as part of the opening of the games, are now saying in not so many words, that they don't give two hoots what those people who have signed the petition are saying, their comments will not be taken heed of.

Doesn't that just say it all? They have made their minds up regardless of what the people of Glasgow have to say about it. Five buildings at Red Road have never been simultaneously blown up, only one at a time. I hope if they go ahead, they will have all the information for safety that they need.

Oh my, and there are those who want us to say 'yes' to an independent Scotland - with people like this running the show - need I say more!!


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post 7th Apr 2014, 09:17pm
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"While I agree with the general statement you made (im from the area) I think your right wing tone is a bit off the mark"
Fact: Mandela was a terrorist, if you want to whitewash history that's up to you, there's nothing right wing about the truth!
If they can name a street after an African Terrorist, they can name one after a Glasgow Hero, or are streets only to be named after one's you like?
Despite the efforts of people like you, democracy still exists here. Barely, in your case!
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