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> Uk Independence Referendum - Brexit, Yes or No on EU membership
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john.mcn
post 11th Jan 2017, 06:49pm
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Sounded more like common sense to me.


It's a soft Indy though, a hard Indy would be none of that .

Its a bit odd that you say those who talk of soft Brexit are stupid as it wont happen but you consider an Indy Scotland under the SNP's previous proposals as common sense. You once again seem to argue against your own points, you want another pop at a referendum and see a hard Brexit as the way to do it yet you want to also join the EU (otherwise whats the point in using Brexit as an excuse) but continue to keep the aforementioned 'common sense' links with the rUK. You do not seem to realise that any hard Brexit measures agreed with the UK will also apply to any relationship between a future Indy Scotland and the UK if 'we' join the EU. Forget about free movement of trade and people across the border as Scotland would have to enforce the border as part of Schengen and impose any import duty the same as any other EU country does with those not in the EEA.
An Indy Scotland in the EU after a hard Brexit would see trade and movement across the Scottish/English border restricted. Our biggest trading partner is the rUK but you would throw that away for the EU?


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post 12th Jan 2017, 10:17am
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An Indy Scotland in the EU after a hard Brexit would see trade and movement across the Scottish/English border restricted. Our biggest trading partner is the rUK but you would throw that away for the EU?


And yet the UK government have gave reassurances they'll be no trading restrictions with the Republic of Ireland after Brexit, so why would it be any different for an Independent Scotland?

Do you honestly think England won't trade with Scotland?
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post 12th Jan 2017, 07:12pm
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There you go again jagz, you say the EU members wont agree any deals and now you say Ireland can cut it's own deal with the UK, Ireland has to abide with the majority vote as does a future Indy Scotland, you much like Wee Nic seems to not only want cake and eat it but go up for seconds too. If it is a hard Brexit then that is across the board with all EU members as well as future ones, if it isn't a hard Brexit then that really leaves all that time and money wasted on chasing Indy2.

It's snowing Jagz, stop trying to build a strawman, I never said anything about rUK not trading with a future Indy Scotland I clearly said Trade and movement restricted which it would be under a Hard Brexit with Scotland being in the EU.


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post 12th Jan 2017, 10:27pm
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Kinda Brexit related as those 'hate' figures were being reported as rising after Brexit..

The Home Secretary. Amber Rudd, speech at the conservative party conferance has been recorded as a 'hate incident' by the police because she discussed immigration and British workers getting jobs..
makes you wonder about all those other 'hate' figures that got banded about in the last few months
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...e-a7523626.html


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post 17th Jan 2017, 10:28am
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In SNP La La Land, it seems as if it wants us to vote to Leave the UK during Brexit negotiations in 2018, if hardline hints in the news are to be believed.

People like change. I think that the SNP is mistakenly taking 'The 45' for granted and willfully overlooking any advantages to Brexit.

I voted against the change, however every SNP argument we hear (on a daily basis) about countering the result of the referendum and quashing any notion of UK independence smacks of double-standards, imo.

I'd say that nothing is to be gained from the anti-Brexit strategy of this SNP Gov. It could backfire drastically if, as many of us hope, the negotiations produce a satisfactory outcome. Sturgeon is a bad loser and by blatantly challenging the political process she will then risk getting some of the blame if indeed her fears of a hard Brexit materialise.
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post 17th Jan 2017, 10:09pm
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I'm sure the polls have been checked and the numbers crunched and the SNP hierarchy have realised that although Independence transcends everything else there are elections coming up and they so want to beat Labour, especially in Glasgow. If you believe polls or studies then just over a third of SNP voters voted leave, the more wee Nic goes on about the UK ignoring the 68 (while ignoring part of her own support) the more likely they might either just stay at home on the day or vote for someone else .


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